From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 01:39:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CF23BE88; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6zMYrF9+Z5XXjUvV1haCZ20kDqisdU3KYZzw5BxSAFs=; b=NCXkot2R/Y1WzmuVX+Zq2tbEG/6pQD/uImMNRmybvEkxCWom10tB0kh/PQvbhqHGY7 Ek5/tzZBE5VrhhFskF9bBeF5PZJVlkLKxTuQn79ZLTmQ5zELxXCd2Zp+HCOGHrk2TKp/ GasEsys7x1XObNmQ4sYLyBLwOG7s4BSRG60EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=C8OeI9bxt7ua+NFR+6Hr+NbNQwt/QcYDli6qXWYjxtLPN9GrQRfHyFnGzLfYF673Ax jrUENp+eIKpxM6GANXjBizHJWGHszcmLHAFLZ/YecQ+gjAnk297tUbb2nrJyO3kxIGhk jJncWOMh7+E0kD7TRM7Q/twYw9QQhDbvKKhzA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:39:17 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another piece uploaded for sharing: "70.000 Years Ago" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811301510u30044298y1745de5ccdff6a1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11729_3309666.1228095557583" References: <66f9cc1e0811301510u30044298y1745de5ccdff6a1c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:39:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11729_3309666.1228095557583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline arghh... left a comment on ube. unbelievable! ... raul. 2008/12/1 Per Boysen > Hi, > > Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here: > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > This is a flute improvisation with the typical speed-shift-by-pedals > improvisation style for creating chord changes by re-pitching the loop > while playing over it (and even overdubbing into it). If you hear > something that reminds of the Eventide effect devices it is the > SoundToys Native plug-ins. I really love them! The bizarre scratchy > noise sound is the flute played through MainStage's (and Logic's, they > share the same plug-ins) vocoder plug-in. The pitch rider isn't very > accurate, which you can hear at the end of the piece (funny wailing > tone there ;-) > > Per > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_11729_3309666.1228095557583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline arghh... left a comment on ube.

unbelievable! ...

raul.

2008/12/1 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Hi,

Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here:
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550

This is a flute improvisation with the typical speed-shift-by-pedals
improvisation style for creating chord changes by re-pitching the loop
while playing over it (and even overdubbing into it). If you hear
something that reminds of the Eventide effect devices it is the
SoundToys Native plug-ins. I really love them! The bizarre scratchy
noise sound is the flute played through MainStage's (and Logic's, they
share the same plug-ins) vocoder plug-in. The pitch rider isn't very
accurate, which you can hear at the end of the piece (funny wailing
tone there ;-)

Per




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
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--0-2051759051-1228103624=:23385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 07:16:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983893BE89; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:15:57 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <35PrxC.A.2FB.w84MJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Wow Per, "We want more" :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too = is a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download= this? --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 07:20:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3563BE8E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=CzTsCcm3c2k4GaJkO4jSxFKAB7dR7YmDVQDc2g9Umn4=; b=WlPBvbCzFWaAxZ9CiMdhemQFuKhTD6lhekT6wINacNNnUgsxuShzsdbfW3nXazeXE1 T4EkYSKl8FwCsftHlmBv448KNW8AynNeslLDNdQ5ApqHEHiXcyCPOzsHyWeDggf5OfbS FIzNx0hG5fZLrSTLMYPn+49q26nWmkqKJN1/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fWas/QzfI/a+1M9JezUI0e14QirPC7lopR2XpT7Cp4RMFUWKtu2wnyflALBEB1GSFR kEHK6mcvzxgPFVOy1KxlrmePRRCKKL5K0mzPg437aYiJegS+JidDTN3YkazqXBKmmWmb 1JzWVI193w3kXRwGtaBMaecrpH6LxIRLPl9vk= Message-ID: <3068dc10811302320p776b4387v9cc59cf7537db2ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:20:30 -0800 From: "Lindsey Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Newbie! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_94103_30030316.1228116030016" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:20:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_94103_30030316.1228116030016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, that's me! I played the first set on Sunday so only a few people saw it. You guys really impressed me with your willingness to share knowledge and support one another. We never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction.... Lindsey --- Hey Lindsey, your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced us to after the Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at another Ricks friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that night? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ------=_Part_94103_30030316.1228116030016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, that's me!  I played the first set on Sunday so only a few people saw it.  You guys really impressed me with your willingness to share knowledge and support one another.

We  never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction....

Lindsey

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Hey Lindsey,
your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced us to after the Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at another Ricks friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that night?

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
------=_Part_94103_30030316.1228116030016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 07:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390BB3BE8E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dmCmR7GkmEW6mqwwCLz4G1wRsU8uCKOb9hPviX8PnnI=; b=bLmkf846DqM+Ox/RfI+0UnzLHIQ4y9zX+6Pc3lk56Pk4GI+XKvXZz7u4e3BrT/LEXK v5NB137fKJV0XnDJmVRRw+OaaWzZtQq7sxNBJh00tPRBcbnfY+rqxjnySS+LCp5ujWFJ tVsV3Nxjd4R4fg49XzA9JjAG1mLLbRdxLK6Bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=LXXgf5HNrLIKkdpsshRwnOQcd+cKxlwwX+giHo/mmjFYloKqFc4yLWQ2i/xfAXU1IA fbcpbi3W3dHURhAzu3m24VB6AdsvkaTX3BXiPar/Zq7ybpeojxKIO9prPHX+ZxWCCuJE QpRvfeqkiUE7WOvgg6N8mVWjxVIIsTNjWGW7M= Message-ID: <3068dc10811302326o7f0c72c5o3db1db584bcbf657@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:26:47 -0800 From: "Lindsey Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_94252_18479906.1228116407851" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_94252_18479906.1228116407851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I love the way the sound evolves. Very meditative and beautiful. Cute ending. Bravo! Lindsey 2008/11/30 Sjaak > Wow Per, "We want more" :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too is > a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download this? > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm > > ------=_Part_94252_18479906.1228116407851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I love the way the sound evolves.  Very meditative and beautiful.  Cute ending.  Bravo!

Lindsey

2008/11/30 Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>
Wow Per, "We want more" :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too is a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download this?
---
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw


---
Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer!
Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm


------=_Part_94252_18479906.1228116407851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 08:30:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 116603BE8F; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:30:17 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Per, Do you have a bigger picture of this yellow music box? Thanks --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 08:50:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8C73BE87; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0YiKk400eQmLIJTT6x+Z+xi6MRdCxM2+6K+fB04OIfU=; b=DDe4w47ubIiGXA1me5wbBs9RusPxFxtFpAPs4yBtFRPg96j3k0q3N6f2G1mX6SFfi4 c7GFrELnZkyvNTbbqCjMmJhIRM53qtHL+qsK3jj+ih/e8fNWYJjDh86k7Z3TFWoFVQce cxvih+oFOd/6/oR6KTefMrQoqLNKbTAom89SU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CAOMw/hfRO6LW6pYbrNPEwoWLe6fDUu/uOfGPTZ+xqFXKxHt12Q5jIhI+7DdI5rF7Q 6hz29HaZX3uN4R7pYkwzv28MSDx36btAVog82Hnxq6WJKT2iiaQyCCgS4a6QkecrPgbh zWsCbQZou/bGNmQwHaw+qlPcsSqve2bcfCP3Q= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:50:55 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <101191640811300710k1a7262cfw4563362b7cc500c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> <3B2E50DA8A794F97A60F13BF54C5599B@eluk1> <101191640811300710k1a7262cfw4563362b7cc500c8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:50:56 +0000 (UTC) "You'd need a pretty smart sample player, with many layers of samples being triggered under different circumstances to do a reasonable job, and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defeat you (depending on controller and its match to the instrument being modelled)." A pretty complicated process indeed...but that is of course if the aim was to imitate the instrument in real time. All those nuances could be put together if one were to programme it in slowly keeping in mind the instrument. one would ask..why go through the hassle, just play the guitar and record it? I guess it would be that the sampler is the instrument that i wish to learn not the guitar. In the case of the conga, I have learnt it to an extent but struggle to get a good sound for recording (injuy/newbie recording chops). It would not take long for me to mimic all the nuances of playing conga if they were made available to me but, like you say, i would if i were to play the sampler live and map piano movements to conga sounds. All is well in the realm of programming. but i think it is possible to say take 16 conga samples and assign them to say a trigger finger and practice finger excersices using the trigger finger as virtual conga. (not so painful, great on quality. but the guitar would present more of a translation challenge. I guess i want the sampler to be a kind of 'any instrument'. learn the techniques of the sampler well enough and have access to any sound without going through the years of learning various techniques..and stil be able to 'play' it live, perhaps a deadend since i woudnt be able t visualise the techniques in the programming of melodys, grooves or in the mapping it to a triiger finger or three...and would only just pass as 'ok sounding' to have all perc instruments at my disposal with one controller, one technique to learn and the ultimate in portability (with the one draw back of being 'inauthentic') But the people in my generation like that inauthentic sound- so its all good these kids, always looking for shortcuts around years of hard work errr... was i babbliing? just trying to make music like the sounds i hear in my head. On 11/30/08, Warren Sirota wrote: > You can replicate a single note via a sampler pretty darned well. What is > much harder to replicate realistically are incidental noises and > non-pianistic techniques in a particular idiom (especially if you're trying > to trigger them via MIDI, an extremely keyboard-centric view of the world). > Even playing a single note on my guitar - how hard I pluck it determines > both how "slappy" (as in bass slapping) it sounds, and also how much of a > little fret buzz coming in after the 2nd note hits. And the attack of the > 2nd note, being a hammer-on, is quite different than the attack of the first > (and is impossible for the sampler to even begin to model, since all it gets > is a MIDI pitch change message from the controller - how does it know it's a > hammer?). You'd need a pretty smart sample player, with many layers of > samples being triggered under different circumstances to do a reasonable > job, and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defeat you (depending > on controller and its match to the instrument being modelled). > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:26 AM, SP Goodman > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: mark francombe > > > > > > > > > > > I never found a way to > > > > satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . > > > > > > > > > > No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > Nanotechnology? > > > > PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point > tho... > > > > Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless that's all one is > striving to do, I guess. I wanted to make music with Tablas, not learn how > to replicate them. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 10:13:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B904E3BE90; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1reDjV37CeG9VCF2JNDZDOCurQH9WEZmaSM5CI81arQ=; b=pBDs8DLurIVeUDLg8v1i9xNRZGZxZVhAq+soulSyQ1SDxax50BxddaXVl71A14+C/R ZTm9XeSkrkeR/O39DVLGWYm+uGQC/whinn8zx2H67upwZGihlzav8J934N+yWpppx0tW r2qEBrd+4zJ3+kpdyOWwzoS0JgP2IVmtOGSiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WqO/HJ2o814l7dXR8JvQbG3AvCztEXfvoRLkBnfWbIorGD+Usnpx7glAD4JsTvY6hI HCv8yGhHdKa98/gh2Y+pbI3IMEqqx0wKcCK9dwu+mUE1MinPF2aqjaBNOlkSFrITx7Rh KhY80SvJZHH0RDXAozFEBoHsNCFV3MrKnyFnI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812010213l45b3190eq489adef9d3e3ced9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:13:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:13:49 +0000 (UTC) 2008/12/1 Sjaak : > Per, > Do you have a bigger picture of this yellow music box? Thanks I'm afraid not. But someone posted internet links to web pages with better pictures of it. Check back in the list archives some 30 hours before this mail was sent. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 10:58:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B163BE8B; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 114184617/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.246.120/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.246.120 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQBAAdSM0lPTvZ4/2dsb2JhbAAIzmuCfYN3 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,694,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="114184617" Message-ID: <4933C446.3030802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:02:30 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:40 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > > I never found a way to > satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . > > > No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. > > andy butler > > Nanotechnology? > > PS, are you sure? Yep :-) On a recording? not yet. I bet you can... dont see the point > tho... Exactly, the world is full of people who want to use new technology so that's it's easy for them to replicate the music that is already available. To me, the point would be to work out what it is about acoustic instruments that makes them so expressive, and apply that knowledge to make better electronic instruments. andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 11:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3539D3BE8B; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+2YvAux/qKhbUmuIsI/pdri591Q8OkGTZdAHu/mXNb4=; b=E2IFy/hjUuHDCzhQSMDM6Pe12gYemyMjWKl/sEq2aIOnzBgGX522Ju4zdQh4FS3O5o WzvE5nIHAofNZkZprgk+N3V9bMo/jVQvSwafHuxyd9Tmhdg1tFhM64jDOfI9jg5CiDmL 2pH0KKzQWxjKarigxcmYfZY6/2m3wKxiBQLEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J1RXoaEqIEGhiDCNG9TC6EBY5uRhbrfO8gw46U9hWlIFpeCCbYBVodzHwjFBS0PHzb 6JlnUvVWl4B5hM3c0u2kEHncVG3wRlDn0zJY7wGcPOD8Bh0G9O3OCB1Qx4YqYpuJEVQ4 8MiFrVoHr5dlsv0dSFU5Bu0dhfsxRk/lKfGW4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812010302q5945c348y36b2c1d554b35f2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:02:21 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <4933C446.3030802@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> <4933C446.3030802@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:02:22 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:02 PM, andy butler wrote: > Exactly, the world is full of people who want to use > new technology so that's it's easy for them to > replicate the music that is already available. > To me, the point would be to work out what it > is about acoustic instruments that makes them so > expressive, and apply that knowledge to make > better electronic instruments. > > andy Excellent summing up of the Moronic Question!!! I fully agree! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 13:06:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169DE3BE75; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:06:15 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Good post Rick. I would like to add my personal view on this discussion. = In case I use the wrong words, please forgive me because it=92s not easy = to express myself well in this type of philosophical threads while Englis= h is not your mother language. Here we go The Camp II approach has a couple of advantages compared Camp I. First of= all, the more artwork you deliver, the more feedback you get from other = people. You will use this feedback unconsciously as an input for your nex= t piece, or mix them with other ideas, emotions etc. To say it in other w= ords: your own creative process works like a kind of looper: the brain ac= ts like a mixer and a filter and your state of mind decides what comes ou= t if. So I think you=92re right about the fact that the camp II approach = result in more diverse artwork because of these many different inputs. It might that some Camp I individuals will be able to produce top pieces = though, but over time, I believe the average quality of Camp II will be h= igher. Why? Because Camp II is constantly learning and applying what they= learned, putting in more experience in the process. And don=92t forget t= he psychological component of this whole process: having deadlines and be= less critical towards yourself is an experience on it=92s own and Camp I= folks will miss that. I guess that in our daily lives, and depending of your state of mind, the= individual artist is ping-ponging between Camp I and II. At least I=92m.= My Camp 1 brother is the perfectionist, my Camp II the guy who really wa= nts to achieve something, so setting deadlines is something I=92m doing m= ore and more compared to the past. For example, what I learned from the L= D community is that you simply should start making live improvisation mus= ic in stead of keep talking and reading about it. If you=92re in Camp I, you might even be waiting for ever before you thin= k the time has come for your master piece of the year. Having too much ti= me is not always good. I know from experience that having too much time a= nd technology can kill your creative flow. In fact, spending too much tim= e on tiny little details won=92t add much to the overall result. I still = think the first approach often is the best one. Yes, you may even have a more relaxed and chilly life compared to the Cam= p II guys but in the end you will end up with very little, maybe even not= hing or you=92re not understood by the audience because they can=92t put = your single master piece into the context of you as an artist, or compare= with your other works. And besides that, I think diversity says a lot ab= out the artist. The more you see and hear about a person, the better you = are able to figure out what the artist is all about, what he/she tries to= say or show, and what he/she is good at. And btw: that will differ from = person to person. In other words: you might =93think=94 they like your wo= rk for reason A, but it could be B, or C or D. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 13:18:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82AFD3BE98; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=PPVjc1BQsmzhNM/+AkKtf5BF8HEsyxvQDXkRkLL1dxQ=; b=NWb3DsEsSlXdWzRRNM2QJYTwfWauJ4wVuuOpdhbQL8RPSFZkMggFUM84FEkaqDSmaP WlPb94o/64h9ydVIl13mK0euqrGJIVzTa0u8gX7PVdONbgAlgbd9k1xCkZkKSz52exRX KD5XwDasMIn/Zd4YkTLUaozkhqyk1yxs3h098= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CHGYwvSfm9FNleZ2Dxx2yngPGKkSnwCSK5y603byM/LHb/6MFGKoZjw1bwiCzfOERs p3XMAzGxtkBQaiOlvgud6tdszK/pz8V3Q5TwIxOUTEF2D2BC4rBxQKjiFN9XWGpQs2Qy NK1DgXaTqBu3fiIxcIWthXCoKzsGbRgfYMNw0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:18:27 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , zonemobius@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: tiny usb soundcard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_360_16333133.1228137507501" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:18:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_360_16333133.1228137507501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi there! just wanting to try mobius with an atom based pc. does anybody know of a reliable (with well written drivers) small as possible, usb soundcard. any config. of input /output it's o.k. surfed the web and the majority of the users report issues with stability on almost any brand and model! thanks, ra=FCl. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_360_16333133.1228137507501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi there!

just wanting to try mobius with an atom based = pc.
does anybody know of a reliable (with well written
= drivers) small as possible, usb soundcard. any config. of input
/output it's o.k.

surfed the web and the major= ity of the users report
issues with stability on almost any brand= and model!

thanks,
ra=FCl.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TP= O at myspace: http:/= /www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_360_16333133.1228137507501-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 13:42:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC053BE8F; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:42:17 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:OT: tiny usb soundcard MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <873gLD.A.vXC.7m-MJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Raul, I use the Edirol UA-1EX USB audio interface, costs you 68 EUR's. I use it= for 2 years, without any problem. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 13:48:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 132ED3BE8E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=QuOMwMS1LOq61AAlnbOk+D9VMPRlIRH8VNYEAAW/gf1lfSk0Uqcb6WJTp87h+1MaGWW1lrpG+uQtpJQryHBb9N4ILtez0O7j9EUCcltgL5CnyHoLzfmKgxVqNqtYoIin; Message-ID: <20081201074851.qfr21mp4w0g80o8c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:48:51 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moronic question References: <20081130151039.0C9623BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Quoting samba - : > > Playing a marimba or vibes sample with one > finger of each hand gets much closer to the feel of two mallets > than you can with one hand playing the same part. > Yes, indeed! A huge aspect of "replicating" real instruments is to consider how the real instrument is played. In particular, when playing percussion samples, to play them with the "two finger" method imparts a visceral feeling to the music. Quantized/programmed material produces a more "objective/mechanized" effect. I use whatever approach gives me the effect that I want. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 14:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083D63BE94; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=zwwYFAQPgiagBCPmoK74gE+LBRwKNnfb6R9Pkq50qWQ=; b=oUsYK8yCPv/o6jkIfqO0Z1bN/lxxeWKR+9xpqGGA4cngUfedjbpvL82zG11yhECTGJ 3miZ1RbMCjRlE+k4Iv3j6QFMRjN9p4rH7UDn8NE6pByZduxTWNEbzY1ICir8rXdXsDC3 +RQvwu5oEv09gxGe/2hJKm2Uu8oTwewXZD7jQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pSTEtRelGlFncUOjgs3w00rKRAI3P2JGmA1q+MNJl94QckMx2DzVm6+aMsVv/2+q1A KeSq7abN/dSGc2uGUF2BZ+T9DUJWNf4FaX6BOsLTkaN3NJn3y9iyZyIXbtG7+sbn1WKG DFu0XW2dCI00kwxGE7yd0m2HpUGVJUfPnjOBY= Message-ID: <101191640812010610k3111a3a9r3c5561e357d25eec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:10:37 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Art/Discipline In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85257_18661632.1228140637123" References: <20081130130146.9326A3BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2bbd87c36a34e52d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85257_18661632.1228140637123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - wrote: > > > "....makes it more > difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach > encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to": > categorize your recordings in record stores and online." > > One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and market different identities in different ways to different target tribes,audiences > (or audients for Really exclusive musical cults). > > I am planning to do exactly this. At some point. > > I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band > This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die. > > Good one! Love it. Warren ------=_Part_85257_18661632.1228140637123 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
"....makes it more
difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach
encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to":
categorize your recordings in record stores and online."

One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and market different identities in different ways to different target tribes,audiences
(or audients for Really exclusive musical cults).
I am planning to do exactly this. At some point.
 

I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band
This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die.

Good one! Love it.

Warren
------=_Part_85257_18661632.1228140637123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 14:14:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B163BEA0; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "eterogeneo" To: , Subject: New realtime recording uploaded Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:14:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C953C7.90F28520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:14:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C953C7.90F28520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real = time last night. http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on my = podcast I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,=20 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are = all there....). Greetings Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C953C7.90F28520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
just to share - = here's a "fresh" new = improvvisation i recorded=20 in real time last night.
http://www.eter= ogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also=20 available on my podcast
 
I used Mobius running = as a VST=20 inside Bidule,
5 VST effect plugins = and my piano = and no final editing=20 (all mistakes are all there....).
 
Greetings
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C953C7.90F28520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 14:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C4743BE99; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:43:05 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: a moronic question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:43:08 +0000 (UTC) > Michael Noble wrote: > Similarly, wavetable synthesis, which I don't > claim to understand in technical detail, involves synthesis based on > sampling. It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant > sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on > sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the > sonic event level. In thus respect, a dualism as stated is possibly > too simplistic. Most workstation like synthesizers uses this approach to synthesize sound= s. So I would say that a synthetic sound can be produced with both a classic wa= veform (sinus, square, sawtooth) and a sample. Keep in mind that most of = these very short samples are useless on its own, only when you threat the= m as a complex wave form and synthesize them using filters, envelopes and= modulation etc Wavetable synthesis is good example of applying sample technology in synt= hesis. The PPG Wave from Germany was the first commercially available wav= etable synthesizer, should have been in the late 70's. It took until 1985= before Roland released the first synth (D-50) using rom-sampling technol= ogy in a way we still use it today in both hard and soft synths. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 15:08:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB143BEA0; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F24799F0AD542778EE67D27F681122F@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" X-Unsent: 1 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0347540A00097C03475557 To: References: <20081130130146.9326A3BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> <101191640812010610k3111a3a9r3c5561e357d25eec@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Art/Discipline Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:07:56 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_12BB_01C953C6.975CC840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:08:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_12BB_01C953C6.975CC840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suspect that one doesn't realize just how many other people on the = planet have your name until such branding notions occur. Obviously I = feel dubious about "Steve Goodman" despite being born in New Orleans; = there are a ton of "Stephen Goodman"s out there but finally I figured = the same solution as samba did: "Stephen Goodman" originally was it, and did ambient-situational or = soundtrack music; "SP Goodman" :=3D more mainstream guitarwork, still (oh oh) 'electronic' = and looping; (unannounced) :=3D (unannounced music/style) (via old archives and/or = PDQ Bach); Now the first two get combined when I feel the need to "SP". My friends = call me Steve. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Art/Discipline On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - = wrote: "....makes it moredifficult to market oneself to the world at large = because this approachencourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes = it tough for people to":categorize your recordings in record stores and = online." One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and = market different identities in different ways to different target = tribes,audiences (or audients for Really exclusive musical cults).I am = planning to do exactly this. At some point. =20 I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band=20 This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the = promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die. Good one! Love it. Warren ------=_NextPart_000_12BB_01C953C6.975CC840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suspect that one doesn't realize just how many = other people=20 on the planet have your name until such branding notions = occur. =20 Obviously I feel dubious about "Steve Goodman" despite being born in New = Orleans; there are a ton of "Stephen Goodman"s out there but finally I = figured=20 the same solution as samba did:
 
"Stephen Goodman" originally was it, and=20 did ambient-situational or soundtrack music;
"SP Goodman" :=3D more mainstream guitarwork, still = (oh oh)=20 'electronic' and looping;
(unannounced) :=3D (unannounced music/style) (via = old archives=20 and/or PDQ Bach);
 
Now the first two get combined when I feel the need = to=20 "SP".  My friends call me Steve.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 = 2:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: = Art/Discipline



On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - = <sambacomet@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:

"....makes it more
difficult to market oneself to = the world at large because this approach
encourages a lot of = stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to":
categorize = your recordings in record stores and online."

One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. = and market different identities in different ways to different target = tribes,audiences
(or audients for Really exclusive musical = cults).
I am planning to do exactly this. At some point.
 

I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as = a band
This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the = promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually = die.

Good=20 one! Love it.

Warren
------=_NextPart_000_12BB_01C953C6.975CC840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 15:09:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766BF3BE9E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:09:16 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: a moronic question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) At 3:43 PM +0100 12/1/08, Sjaak wrote: > > Michael Noble wrote: > > It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant > > sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on >> sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the > > sonic event level. This, if I am not mistaken, is the whole philosophy behind Granular Synthesis, which has been around since the 80's. >Most workstation like synthesizers uses this approach to synthesize sounds. So >I would say that a synthetic sound can be produced with both a >classic waveform (sinus, square, sawtooth) and a sample. Keep in >mind that most of these very short samples are useless on its own, >only when you threat them as a complex wave form and synthesize them >using filters, envelopes and modulation etc Tit-for-tat here: one of the notorious "cheats" that some VST/AU soft-synths use in order to keep CPU-usage down is to use a sampled sine/square/whatever wave as the source for the oscillators (as opposed to generating it in realtime using math; merely reading back a table is less CPU-intensive). So, in many VST's you're using samples as the synth. Is that sampling, or synthesis, or both? >Wavetable synthesis is good example of applying sample technology in >synthesis. The PPG Wave from Germany was the first commercially >available wavetable synthesizer, should have been in the late 70's. >It took until 1985 before Roland released the first synth (D-50) >using rom-sampling technology in a way we still use it today in both >hard and soft synths. And even Roland didn't promote that as "wavetable" synthesis, preferring instead to hang it on a psychoacoustic principle and terming it LA Synthesis. Although you could get some wavetable effects (or at least I used to be able to on my old Kawai K1, which was a D-50 ripoff). Equally close to the PPG would have been the Prophet VS, which allowed four-way mixing between wave sources (some of which were sampled). But it wasn't until the Korg Wavestation (which, IIRC, was developed by SCI engineers/technology purchased when Sequential went belly-up) that a real wavetable synth was to pick up where the PPG left off. Of course, then Waldorf came back and reintroduced the real thing [sic].... --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 15:16:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48CD3BEA2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5OdQwJve8BApFoQ9Gl+gsFj970LvhTKJ8YWC8REqbvI=; b=qs7l2OZ1GcKc99AusMnOz2qYUUeiCks6o/CzdTSbPCvRpd9tn5v/j3tCOK0a64AtXb wlzkdBvhHmlSYx7UIHnp1vINnUemuGkhxk6UJWkwwkxz8IJMJA6U+GfAmVvbuoXlt8Pd m11p938e1ekbeWEAQI237dhoO/g1lWNYSYHnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SpPjiO8XlhN4BOfY3Ae0aWWZsm7q65X9hjaWAekm+ZmDn9UHk0EN4nvp4BvElwNbgD r6KAUMYkmF91AwBkmlU2+1AL9jdP+2Km3pQrtIpD4s1bCSwUHqTM5/XD6+ppXoIRsfW9 3160MhtgnYumGXdpG3xdCctdEFkGAIwnNj864= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812010716h3e129bejbb22248cf880ce77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:16:15 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <7YR5sD.A.5wE.B__MJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:16:17 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo wrote: > Hi all, > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time > last night. > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on my > podcast > > I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, > 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all > there....). Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder". -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 16:06:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95CA3BE97; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:06:03 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: a moronic question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:06:05 +0000 (UTC) > Tit-for-tat here: one of the notorious "cheats" that some VST/AU > soft-synths use in order to keep CPU-usage down is to use a sampled > sine/square/whatever wave as the source for the oscillators (as > opposed to generating it in realtime using math; merely reading back > a table is less CPU-intensive). Yep, I heard that before :) I think all romplers like Motif=92s, Triton=92= s etc work like this. Btw: I had a similar discussion on a synthforum. I = own a Prophet 08, it's marketed as a synthesizer with a 100% analog signa= l path but it uses a digital controlled oscillator (DCO) and a parameter = called "oscillator slop" which allows subtle amounts of frequency drift. = In others words: to add typical voltage controlled (VCO) behavior ;) So a= purist says it's not a 100% analog synthesizer. But I personally have no= problems with it; it's the result what counts and the Prophet sounds lik= e the real deal, so as analog as can be. > So, in many VST's you're using samples as the synth. Is that > sampling, or synthesis, or both? I would say synthesis, since you use it as a source to synthesize sounds.= But that's my interpretation of it; I know many others would probably sa= y sampling. I associate sampling with either drums loops to play loops an= d huge sample libraries such as Ivory Grand Pianos or NI Acoustic Piano t= o simulate Funny, the K1 was my first synth! And although it was noisy, you could pr= ogram amazing sounds with it. And it's a pity the Prophet VS was a bad pr= oduct quality wise, it deserved better, it might have saved Sequential. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 16:07:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C9213BE97; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: echoplex next bug Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:06:23 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:07:17 +0000 (UTC) topu had a problem > 1. i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3 so 2L and 3L > -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will come >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass shattering. and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested: yes this is the trick I confirm when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop during setup and it will not happen One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not been used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be zeroed but this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not a big noise. I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it, because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles... then again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so rarely that they dont know how it happens... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 16:34:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40B4F3BEA9; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:34:37 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TIe6PeIW5b7+cqTNxdI714cyTzMdXV017SBfwKICBcwVcwK2W926/Z9YuFX8qq9IrOekq51KltsczMHEEwJZtv63cEqa8/I0wifMKISJm+vF2ZgaW55j3emKyqGOKBc5; Message-ID: <20081201102755.ul77gk8oy044o844@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:27:55 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another piece uploaded for sharing: "70.000 Years Ago" References: <66f9cc1e0811301510u30044298y1745de5ccdff6a1c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811301510u30044298y1745de5ccdff6a1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Per Boysen : > > Hi, > > Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here: > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > Per, "70,000 Years Ago" is gorgeous and the "Yellow Music box" is ingenious. Enjoyed listening. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 16:38:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B8C13BEA6; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:38:40 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=D5HlNUPrI1IWFjYjCGBZcGHPqRaASstzMxbelMU8NGzs9h/yTDx5crlYvCvslgTlkaMu9cP2koU6yF3T8EunXo/otSwHYkMfLosRscSbW6yo3VQYQQMOYVtxnAQ/QYcu; Message-ID: <20081201103157.qcblexbnk4csg8cc@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:31:57 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Quoting eterogeneo : > > Hi all, > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in > real time last night. > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on > my podcast > Fabio, Great work. Enjoyed listening to this. My best time to listen to music is here at the office and when they are "audio only" files that makes things quite easy -- I can't watch video and work at the same time and I don't want the LAN guys to get on my case for using too much bandwidth. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 17:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195843BE98; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=fMb2MJgnNU1Zai5B9eJGObHA3oODVhqrJ8EvWRNzVvEYQj2SPeRWehSwDHVjN+dceJbQmaQb4dZmZF7XxJBRTVXazoRYzYjIXjdYxpAjNzK8sLapOnZGphIgbD7iDzmPcM4AQk378GWC6IUBi3SGl4r9qt9848mWwIhiUf0Jx10=; X-YMail-OSG: Bk2G8msVM1kFioK.bDMVqJsf.YylayAvvQr9SvNzcKnvvRXSYVteu8kicSnPlyWYcTmudPekrk8dSHlRDcSNQHLgJQjhzza3B0k0hCglYbpNVo2A57mF2_L8.egNJEgml.wtvgRpfn1aJQgZUmGFjxDJZrltk8rJ2EFPCBda X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Performing as a solo looper? To: loop list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1604315128-1228153365=:13817" Message-ID: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1604315128-1228153365=:13817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance a= t y2k8. And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering. Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs? =A0 I'm interested in taking this out a bit. I could probably do an hour of musically=A0interesting looping, I'd be hard= pressed to do a 4 hour gig. =A0 Thanks for any tips or insights you might share. =A0 Jonathan =A0 --0-1604315128-1228153365=:13817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.
And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
 
I'm interested in taking this out a bit.
I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig.
 
Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.
 
Jonathan
 
--0-1604315128-1228153365=:13817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 17:54:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E286C3BE9E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JTiwutXNWq4A:10 a=yeHqq0lgZei1TLATMMMA:9 a=1u3EvD7Rk5egYm3-XjIvcHJyg-sA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 Message-ID: <493424C7.1090604@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:54:15 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing as a solo looper? References: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4934247E.9020604@vtx.ch> In-Reply-To: <4934247E.9020604@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:54:20 +0000 (UTC) What? didnt Rick tell you it is not allowed to make longer than 20 min live looping gigs I mean, real live looping gigs with ebows, phrygian chords, and the same background loop for 5 minutes. noodling and shoe gazing is bonus Claude :=) > Jonathan Kessler a écrit : >> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a >> performance at y2k8. >> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering. >> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs? >> >> I'm interested in taking this out a bit. >> I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be >> hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig. >> >> Thanks for any tips or insights you might share. >> >> Jonathan >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:24:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573713BEA2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <493424C7.1090604@vtx.ch> References: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4934247E.9020604@vtx.ch> <493424C7.1090604@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:07:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Performing as a solo looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) I work around those silly rules buy marketing myself as a singer-songwriter type and using loops without fanfare. So far I've been getting away with it pretty well. At 6:54 PM +0100 12/1/08, Claude Voit wrote: > >What? didnt Rick tell you it is not allowed to make longer than 20 min >live looping gigs > >I mean, real live looping gigs with ebows, phrygian chords, and the same >background loop for 5 minutes. >noodling and shoe gazing is bonus -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:28:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA403BE9E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cwPGicfiLXkf6FKTERjBXIX5ME/RHKtsjJZuwtLIPf8=; b=pVdatw/RiwepyKZKU3rXOKoku7YrFhGttU5RUTYFMv4v6Neo85oSTVvixcOpt80gNR R1BKomLTg4eEHc4iUTtZUB9T0SB36cXdNrg+z8x/2CTL8Mnj0HCDD3ZHy0F/lruo/3sy E4tHmZeAg4TIVXL0K4g6qUF4Ueqttgm1cy2hQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mhrQRz3Lenucgn/+CFqppJcq/AdlaV8Mh88jTT2eGEjh3ExJs1nsdiEnjkQ8/A4pmH 9okDikIEBWrssX2tHFbODF/BL0AqEK3smapMpMpKZGIfWN5JKfeiMME8Bn3QRdAuiTWM u5OzyByMn3DnAFqR9ekuIR5/0bwkod+uj/kTo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:28:49 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Re: Performing as a solo looper? In-Reply-To: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61470_3534194.1228156129819" References: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:28:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_61470_3534194.1228156129819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The looping part is irrelevant to getting gigs, for the most part. It's the type of music you're playing. If you make experimental/avant garde/out there music (without getting bogged down in a discussion of what those terms mean), you need to find venues and performance opportunities that are open to that. If you're doing jazz standards, you go to those places. No one cares much what gear you use to make your music, just that it fills their musical expectations for the evening. Personally, I play acoustic guitar instrumentals, really bland normal stuff by the standards of this list, so I play restaurants and coffeeshops. I just tell them I do acoustic guitar instrumentals and have my own PA. They almost always want you to be the sole entertainment for the evening though, so two sets is the minimum. TH On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance > at y2k8. > And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering. > Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs? > > ------=_Part_61470_3534194.1228156129819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The looping part is irrelevant to getting gigs, for the most part.  It's the type of music you're playing.  If you make experimental/avant garde/out there music (without getting bogged down in a discussion of what those terms mean), you need to find venues and performance opportunities that are open to that.  If you're doing jazz standards, you go to those places.  No one cares much what gear you use to make your music, just that it fills their musical expectations for the evening.

Personally, I play acoustic guitar instrumentals, really bland normal stuff by the standards of this list, so I play restaurants and coffeeshops.  I just tell them I do acoustic guitar instrumentals and have my own PA.  They almost always want you to be the sole entertainment for the evening though, so two sets is the minimum.

TH

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Kessler <kesslari@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.
And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
 

------=_Part_61470_3534194.1228156129819-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:30:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C221F3BEA6; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=aHj8ucYDC71Zmv2ZgAmVtmokJzoAlPvjwzyORRNlkScy1qPEZ4sjpfIaeDzIcwt5B9DgCJrL10XEJ/4FoHYzYv/cyoGBKB2kN1xVmrEmqBeU/cZJpizs4VC4fjuvPnR36Oc6RCm+paGC9wLH6YnFKS/qnsnAZ8ajY8G+F5kZUCI=; X-YMail-OSG: PUP0SqIVM1mlX_mkoaa7QXv3FMbdyU5oi0ecYhOmz1oDYVR9nvbqcqfVKb2rfGbgDBYVN1GKILTDx7Dty37hWTWlPs_Sm3d8Sm_eHCxb5sCo.juf_wNtAwy6VDkNGFwtfZO6ooH49k3YcBPI3yVOzUt3jqA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Newbie! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3068dc10811302320p776b4387v9cc59cf7537db2ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <649026.62043.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Lindsey well hello and welcome to the machine!! i hope i can see your set next time,calimba man and i got so caught up improvising at Ricks place that we didnt make it;-) cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lindsey Walker wrote: > From: Lindsey Walker > Subject: Re: Looping Newbie! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:20 PM > Yeah, that's me! I played the first set on Sunday so > only a few people saw > it. You guys really impressed me with your willingness to > share knowledge > and support one another. > > We never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction.... > > Lindsey > > --- > Hey Lindsey, > your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced > us to after the > Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at > another Ricks > friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that > night? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 18:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2123BEB2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3602 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:47:33 UTC X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G-gKmQObnqmwPnR_VCwA:9 a=JLmxgDBGXpmPUggERrwA:7 a=Z2CSDF2vZHeeb6V8DrwgErMhDCgA:4 a=kwz2ALlf93kA:10 Message-ID: <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:47:26 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex next bug References: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> In-Reply-To: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:47:33 +0000 (UTC) and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the display joke we created ... :=) big kiss Claude Matthias Grob a écrit : > topu had a problem > > 1. i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3 so 2L and 3L > > -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will come > >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass > shattering. > > and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested: > yes this is the trick I confirm > when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop > during setup and it will not happen > > > One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not been > used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be zeroed > but > this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it > just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not a > big noise. > > I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare > and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it, > because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles... then > again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so rarely > that they dont know how it happens... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 20:16:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953BE3BE98; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQBAODUM0lPTvZ4/2dsb2JhbAAI0XuCfYN3 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,697,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="110954591" Message-ID: <493446F8.5020605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:20:08 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: Performing as a solo looper? References: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <88827.13817.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a > performance at y2k8. > And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering. > Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs? Generally I have to organise them myself ;-) or be prepared to travel. If you like the idea of playing private views, then contact any local artists who are likely to have an exhibition. andy butler ps.. you know that thing that keeps being mentioned....... > > I'm interested in taking this out a bit. > I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be > hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig. > > Thanks for any tips or insights you might share. > > Jonathan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 21:11:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCA93BE98; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=d9Tgbhi7KOa9wgIe1Wyohb/9WPTWSxgzb62tOMmoBl4=; b=S6pDNcvMhIADlfkgHbUG15o035UqsHusk4mrdHdKax88yVj+9MRD9LjX+5yw+4BLd+ cNfboBnAk8zmWe7yIs7uoVxTpV/RMJas2e5aHDm4aSxQVyGSYThOxj7ovM6/uG/GH4To cjOtxBiZSpgOL8c26ekL2FBZqs8b0xi2o47Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=c/5en3r19kor237ClMt6GuHxYr1PYLgiamLo9TRlm56vp7io/VrcCq1mBpqZeOKea5 feDpT7TvHeWk5CynQjDGHp9vNJnA0fG2aqkkrIUEMu8Gn58HjLNtj9eQ7XiHCSgTa2eT 0MamuYe8cs4HNAbouoee2aFVEihPgSs7WnDSc= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812011311o2a31271an9eec69df6442d611@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:11:00 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex next bug In-Reply-To: <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_103120_10313763.1228165860637" References: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8bb1c991fc96805e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_103120_10313763.1228165860637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press lots of buttons in funny combinations... On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the > display joke we created ... > > :=) > > big kiss > > Claude > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_103120_10313763.1228165860637 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press lots of buttons in funny combinations...

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the display joke we created ...

:=)

big kiss

Claude




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Most usual gig type here??? seriously looking boys kneeling on the floor with no instruments and a mass of effect pedals... oh.. not forgetting Black Metal... I guess they play songs... of a sort...

m

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Jonathan Kessler wrote:
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.
And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?

Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)

or be prepared to travel.

If you like the idea of playing private views, then contact
any local artists who are likely to have an exhibition.
andy butler  ps..
you know that <reply-to> thing that keeps being mentioned.......


 I'm interested in taking this out a bit.
I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig.
 Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.
 Jonathan
 




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Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C953E1.90FF7EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 23:25:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F3813BEA2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:25:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C953D9.D214B1B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:25:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C953D9.D214B1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli Has anyone done any music using singing stones? peace, plish www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com http://thecavewall.posterous.com ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C953D9.D214B1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C953D9.D214B1B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 1 23:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8707B3BE95; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dAVaAIEIPOAP+x2gjbh9RJjOA6gSYGXKBLJut80tSVQ=; b=YsIvojNDcbyvetFZydJ15MCKjPhXC9QNeZgDlaM4ZvxmLI2JbVOGJbCdT5fJpmmLwN Iw1oDk+H3xc2tV5OGKUZzhhCpFr/506I9MAAoTQCeQCpUdMqjmfOtChYBmAb5n284MNg AM/mlFnDo9WyWNf6eCvqg0SJNjtRhIfaFjbJE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MxWt6X7cJ2sHpZc/6TfqyjLU1vA6s65Vq941qQb6OFTXaw6HS11E5qXRVSIkkRGbn6 0Q3r9gQDJ6a7nyWMn5tVcwP1jkXmM06q/KoifO0H0rFx5kc9Z1uXdblYUvin3a22ftDe SFyqwGD8DY9eTfvY3rNHHIm/DQrPUDexJr82I= Message-ID: <37f071c00812011548o74eab9a3r88de35ea530806c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:48:11 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27982_21268020.1228175291456" References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:48:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27982_21268020.1228175291456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Stephen Micus did an album called The Music of Stones which was created primarily from a large block of polished marble played in a cathedral somewhere. Its a really nice record (as are most of his recordings IMO). Kevin On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM, wrote: > http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli > > Has anyone done any music using singing stones? > > peace, > > plish > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > http://thecavewall.posterous.com > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_27982_21268020.1228175291456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Stephen Micus did an album called The Music of Stones which was created primarily from a large block of polished marble played in a cathedral somewhere.  Its a really nice record (as are most of his recordings IMO).

Kevin

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:



--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
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If anybody has any recommendations of places that book loopers, please pass them on :)

K

2008/12/1 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>


Jonathan Kessler wrote:
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.
And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?

Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)

or be prepared to travel.
--
Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016
Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk
------=_Part_99681_29902810.1228176144197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 00:14:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB8A3BEA2; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hC7o7yZImeIA:10 a=cihC4jgAAAAA:8 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=8cyn0mv-AAAA:8 a=wwy2B4odVE5IPbZ8dpAA:9 a=1dfRqnNqpv0Z93b7XN-7eyX4MhgA:4 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=wtDg63txCptXVi4MR_4A:9 a=eNZF9GYCNyiM7LElW4MA:7 a=G6KBWUUwaFwcQu1kaSGwFhLxUDsA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-761548289 Message-Id: <0C510DC6-7207-4E6C-AF54-BEC770C71AFE@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:14:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <50zHND.A.juG.U3HNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:14:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-761548289 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The closest I got was a 1978 Les Paul. Fucker was HEAVY! On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, wrote: > http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli > > Has anyone done any music using singing stones? > > peace, > > plish > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > http://thecavewall.posterous.com > > --Apple-Mail-1-761548289 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 The closest I got was a 1978 Les Paul. Fucker was HEAVY!
On = Dec 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:


= --Apple-Mail-1-761548289-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 00:19:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85EA13BEA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: FS: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:19:04 -0800 References: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:19:11 +0000 (UTC) This is on ebay now, starting price $275, just so ya know: http://tinyurl.com/5r67tt dc On Nov 28, 2008, at 5:42 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Offering up my rare and delightful 8-band delay/chorus, the Yamaha > UD Stomp, plus an EV-5 pedal, essential for fully exploring the > potential of this innovative device. > > Picture here: http://tinyurl.com/5fkcyz > > Details here: http://tinyurl.com/6xbor3 > http://tinyurl.com/6do2ce > > Best offer over $325 > > David > > 1096 Winchuck River Road > Brookings, OR 97415 > 541-412-2793 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 00:20:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8145A3BEA2; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <96A6ACC5-C9FA-4806-B42B-2FC6BA7B55E6@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CE85934-8F1F-4E15-A75D-6D0058D0EED0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: FS: Little DD-20 looping rig, complete Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:20:22 -0800 References: <4CE85934-8F1F-4E15-A75D-6D0058D0EED0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) OK, how bout $300 or best offer? On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:12 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Selling my little cheap-as-poss. stereo looping rig: A Boss DD-20 =20 > with a 3rd-Hand foot pedal attached to the delay feedback, plus an =20 > Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal for actually-goes-to-0dB input =20 > control. Includes a PSA-120 adapter, and a little plastic Boss foot =20= > switch for jacking into the back of the DD-20 to tap tempo, etc. =20 > Clean, untraveled, and documented. They're pals; can't bare to =20 > separate=85 > > Picture here: > http://tinyurl.com/6dpfeu > > Product details: > DD-20: http://tinyurl.com/6dyp3n > 3rd Hand: http://tinyurl.com/666kq7 > Ernie Ball: http://tinyurl.com/6dj2r4 > > > > Thanks, > > David > 1096 Winchuck River Road > Brookings, OR 97415 > 541-412-2793 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 00:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36C333BE97; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> In-Reply-To: <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> Subject: RE: echoplex next bug Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01c801c95416$df9f1bd0$9edd5370$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclT5UZenD3PYjKyQG2ZSGxJRfJ+JwAMWSBg Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Ar7a BAVU BJd5 Bp0T Conl C9vP DdQC DeIO Dx9X GZXd IGBu IPi0 IQZY Ibae It8D Ja+i;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{D992FA61-2A85-4985-8564-4EF1CAB95147};ZABhAHYAZQBAAGQAYQB2AGUAZQBpAGMAaABlAG4AYgBlAHIAZwBlAHIALgBjAG8AbQA=;Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:42:25 GMT;UgBFADoAIABlAGMAaABvAHAAbABlAHgAIABuAGUAeAB0ACAAYgB1AGcA x-cr-puzzleid: {D992FA61-2A85-4985-8564-4EF1CAB95147} X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18qpKEaNg19af/gWAFLwOoxkBs1sqTbLwOHp13 o/k1dhd0XTToYzbbRxZNqRJ7JVlXdkGHc7eC/8E/xIG04tUJMg dd7OLwuWjsOPx7izwe/9a7bioh/jMf2MoUWHoOVHQg= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) I've had mine display '666' on power up lately, and has been acting = funny ever since, with a 'pop' every time I hit record or overdub..it doesn't = show up in the loop, though, but it is loud enough to notice.=20 dave eichenberger www.daveeichenberger.com -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch]=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex next bug and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the=20 display joke we created ... :=3D) big kiss Claude Matthias Grob a =E9crit : > topu had a problem > > 1. i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3 so 2L and 3L > > -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will = come > >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass=20 > shattering. >=20 > and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested: > yes this is the trick I confirm > when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop > during setup and it will not happen >=20 >=20 > One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not = been=20 > used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be = zeroed > but > this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it=20 > just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not = a=20 > big noise. >=20 > I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare=20 > and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it,=20 > because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles... = then=20 > again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so rarely=20 > that they dont know how it happens... >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 01:58:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FDF33BE97; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:57:13 -0800 Message-Id: <20081202014215.M51139@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081201163438.C49433BE9E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081201163438.C49433BE9E@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 69.181.234.132 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Dear Sjaak, I couldn't have said it better in my native tongue (and I certainly couldn't even attempt it in Flemish, German or French so mad props to you for being quadralinqual). The one thing I find since you mentioned that your Camp I personality is your perfectionist personality, it that the biggest problem I see amongst all artists is that their editing faculties outweigh their creative faculties. We, of course, need both to create (viz a vis Einstein's quote that "Genius is 2% inspiration and 98% perspiration) but the western culture paradigm seems increasingly to promote judgment and over cautiousness amongst it's artists. My theory is that this over judgemental/over cautious mentality amongst artists (and increasingly amongst younger artists in the are I live in) is a casualty of a culture that has become increasingly mass media dominated. At the local bars that I go to, I am hearing student conversations that are almost entirely dominated by discussions about various forms of media, from recorded music media to movies to video games, etc. This is, at least anecdotally, a huge change from when I was a student back in the early 70's. In those days, media (mostly music) was discussed a lot, but so was philosophy, spirituality, science, history, literature. In a way, it is what it is as we do live in an increasingly media dependent and media saturated society, but the output of younger artists seems to have dramatically dropped off (ironically at the same time). In our region, the number of places that a young musical group can perform has also (and perhaps commensorately) dropped off. I used to tell young bands (when I was making part of my living as a 'champagne living on a beer budget, music business advisor to local groups) that I didn't think a band could really call itself a band until it had 50 live shows under it's belt (how else do you learn how to do a soundcheck under bad circumstances; get a great stage sound when your monitors are shit, etc.). You could accomplish this by aggressively booking yourself and playing local free parties in a years time in the early 80's. Nowadays, it could take you 10 years in this particular town to book 50 shows. I ramble a bit, but my point is that the CAMP 2 approach seems to be the best approach just to merely conteract these trends. That being said and done, I should quit babbling and get back to the video that I'm almost finished with. By the way, mad kudos to Per Boysen for being so active and sharing so much of his music with this community. You are really inspiring me, Per, and it's not the first time that I've felt this way. That latest piece is very cool. Thanks. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 02:15:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79B163BE95; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Performing as a solo looper? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:15:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C953F1.99AC00E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclT4qmbrr/CQexxSsGRFJCZnt/tKAAQLH9Q Message-Id: <20081202021559.19C103BE88@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:15:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C953F1.99AC00E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are a couple guys using loopers in their electric duo, called El Ten Eleven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-Daa5aa3Y dave ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C953F1.99AC00E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here are a couple guys using = loopers in their electric duo, called El Ten Eleven:

 

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------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C953F1.99AC00E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 04:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82ED03BE95; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=5E+b3kX9cC3jI9CHhN9AWkQLnF9yMlh8GMhApa4gNtQ=; b=eWdP099gk6KRXbGBafA4sfvBerjkFhLO84MQeraGcJoyb18KLFuKz9hTIBT6akbsXB kqJ9F3kBxHc8mkhcBsiuMjjqJIZ10l9TRh0zVEDmRRZhsGSAfKk68Wdfg0Hw8FltKwki xaqrSRa1z+C6286le6Fr/wzxe74sol1rMGdDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZUiqHwXob9t+vFbOgcxEFb/eeLjeI+ZBEjxBSZgECFGEFutfEUF+IlGqg9RAAoIEF6 1omTnryo0Ri7hKXmOhVOg0SSJoOqCgN0cc5RFYJ/RvEndtq35WgtjGQSPF45K1i0aITY RLQ4bajrI9icjpucYrOkDgkdBJLwf8Ma4i06U= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:23:53 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mobius Inside Ableton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <1kMVHB.A.HmH.ahLNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. Well, I did my first long gig with my newer jazz looping rig this past weekend (MacBook running Windows XP, running B4, Kontakt, Akoustik Piano, Reaktor, and Guitar Rig inside Ableton). Everything worked. I would like to add another capability: running Mobius inside Ableton and using it to overdub guitar parts. I like to do this on Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson. I was playing with it a bit, and it seems like when I hit Next Loop, it immediately switches and starts recording the next loop rather than waiting till the beginning of the next bar. I have Synch Mode set to "Host Beat", and Mobius is properly waiting till the beginning of a bar to start recording. The Next Loop function, however, does not wait for the next bar. Is there a way to get it to do this? When I play the tune with an Echoplex, I like to record 3 background loops. One has two overdubbed guitar parts and one has 3. It would be cool to do this without having lots of tracks and pedal controls in Ableton. I would appreciate suggestions, thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 08:26:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE2943BE93; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:25:58 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:26:01 +0000 (UTC) > Dear Sjaak, > The one thing I find since you mentioned that your > Camp I personality is your perfectionist personality, > it that the biggest problem I see amongst all artists is > that their editing faculties outweigh their creative faculties. Yep, that's true. The good news is that the LD list and the CT-collective= help us to be more creative. Without these communities, I was probably s= till in my dark studio arranging and sequencing, not practicing live loop= ing. It=92s actually so much more fun to create live improvisation music = and it kind of makes you much more interesting as an artist too. > In a way, it is what it is as we do live in an increasingly media depe= ndent > and media saturated society, but the output of younger artists seems = to > have dramatically dropped off (ironically at the same time). In our > region, the number of places that a young musical group can perform has= also > (and perhaps commensorately) dropped off. I don=92t have many contacts in the student world but I recognize the phe= nomena that it=92s more difficult to find a place to play live. The good = thing about my city Antwerp is that the city counsel recognized the need = to promote music for the youth so they have started a music centre in 200= 3 called Trix where you can rehearse, give parties for 400 people with a = DJ, do free try-outs with your act on a big stage with a PA, light show a= nd technician=85organize listen sessions (literature). This is offered fo= r very reasonable prices and sometimes even for free. I think the social = and cultural spin off of this kind of initiatives is always a good thing = for the society. Btw: this is the place where livelooping.be festival mig= ht take place next year ;) But I=92m wondering why younger artists are dropping off. Mass media is c= ertainly a big factor: we all know how many hours our kids spent on the i= nternet or playing games in stead of doing more social activities like pl= aying outside, making music etc I have the feeling it more difficult to e= ncourage or motivate them compared to the past, because they are bombed a= nd triggered by the mass media. > I didn't think a band could really call itself a band until it had > 50 live shows under it's belt (how else do you learn how to do a sound = check > under bad circumstances; get a great stage sound when your monitors are= > shit, etc.). lol. But it=92s true; the best way to learn swimming is to jump into the = pool. You haven=92t played live if nothing did go wrong. And although it = can be annoying at the moment itself, you learn a lot from it plus=85and = that=92s the best part=85you can laugh about it later on. Could be great = thread btw: your worst moment as a live artist :) > I ramble a bit, but my point is that the CAMP 2 approach seems to be t= he > best approach just to merely conteract these trends. But I do like the Camp I approach (not the perfectionist); it=92s maybe a= little closer to the way we would like to see an artist, so not being pu= shed by the society. Is that what you were saying? --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 08:29:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356783BE99; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ETI+cH86bLGU3CFa6rHMLnfDywQiOwiXRmGPtp6JAcQ=; b=vdmZ/f+ZRk+yBbVs++PkypX+Fs+5D8cSxvWfT2TtpTcsxQA145xJbmczfLeLgailYk gGhgzBg8I/b1Kj5ong/3Ehr3AeY2eISFLD4h9hwBYa67Zop7IDVl/wtR5elWuhMN0bgI 46dspuNjK3KVc3P1VDrgSk8WT+FH2Bg73OEIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eR3RwkX/5xuwdIJq0cLfp7umkjz/lG9wnpvPFdnJpbblZhNWeBttOE/wqzCxju4vrM wGI+V2lHsEscG+Ct5NbiMDm7pfpM6B0KPFJnFk9cPaze5bbgZfYrqdqeVD7vH6rvCAbh 3yoeKYSUp/GatG0Juwcm+AsVrd0r3MLkxXIEk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812020029i2c71bb1ct51e822a0396e0f98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:29:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:59 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM, wrote: > http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli > > Has anyone done any music using singing stones? > > peace, > > plish Yes. About 18 months ago I visited the island Gotland in the Baltic sea between Sweden and Finland/Russia etc. There was a rather big singing stone there, like 2 meters long and flat on the top. We played it and I recorded, even did a stupid piece in Ableton Live from it, but the sound wasn't much compared to human crafted instruments. Quite stiff actually. But the interesting part was to read all stories from past centuries of what have happened around that stone. This island once was the commercial center for the whole north European region, before the Hansa based in L=FBbeck took over. There were so many crazy stories about angels and saints connected to that stone, only further convincing me that life must have been extremely boring in during the pre laptop ages. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 08:33:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662963BE99; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8BACaBNElPTqqt/2dsb2JhbAAIjnDBdoJ9g3Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,701,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="111090774" Message-ID: <4934F3C1.8050700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:37:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Kmy3C.A.PvG.ULPNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Gamelan of Central Java EUCD 1902 track 9 Goa Tabuhan ..music played on stalagtites mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli > > Has anyone done any music using singing stones? > > peace, > > plish > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > http://thecavewall.posterous.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 08:46:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1663BE99; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:46:30 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: RE: New realtime recording uploaded MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:46:32 +0000 (UTC) > here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded > in real time last night. Hi Fabio, Good to have you back in the looping world. I'm usually driving 3-4 hours= a day in my car, so I have time enough to listen to music, like yours. T= his is an interesing song...very different from what the usual stuf here.= And your podcast contains ome really good tracks. Were these real time r= ecordings too? Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:06:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 290EB3BE93; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=7xwLD9WEeaMqLv7u0PdM/ZPTXj2OSe9OhxDbN+AmE+w=; b=SpfEf5n0cB39eBD8fH18khHltMET0Xn7Y9QNVKJPb4AjEGtlgBttJVfEoDxnPrfllK SB8An6A0qOrBp3BQhkV0wN2Z7MGUeu4oavJyEihCcOxsgIRfzFLrcAXfrDNfmcY2a0dv Issdoui29+nivlqnm9ZJD/kA3db2F+DhhvJ8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=DH0kKu/njAg8cBxuGWpHId8Kru3xRacc/qwIlGj0f1QONqYrNenqOYZV64EMGC/4qw uTa3Xfm1ow8qlgwce5KBQ0ZYIP/ede2dx6LBNdDxb6xfGDS2+vv0ufLAMdyp+JRz9pke kz0yyksKLfrTePKhWovnjJ+WDByHuLReUPrzE= Message-ID: <4934FA94.1060103@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:06:28 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions References: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > i get one. I just got one, love it. Though I have to adapt lots of my patches as for a OS X glitch my usual ctlin objects miss values, but I found another way to get it in properly. Can't wait to get my Ondes Memorielles adapted for this box and Max 5. I ordered as well the nanoKEY, and probably will also jump on the nanoPAD. The price range they are sold is exactly what I could afford once in a while... My rig will now fit into hand luggage. That's simply amazing... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 09:23:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4CA3BE95; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=ycbM8myjB0gwLxFwMN7ZlHnoocacS9K3OH+4Plgb0Z0=; b=QVgvrHhioQc/Zj0BphT2NI5UujtQlt/3edQFXzCLHveepjVZf9mdoclLn8KeslD85/ hYoqKizaT9SJ0RHNv5Elne3h4sA3KnQn6plojOyQu7798+C8mgvZMYlnDT0LSj05r2AD Fs3q3qjOfmJbAFb0aVi/YuQJN5fg5WOJxfyRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=JqAcWHfVoVlfGRW5nyb4CezqfDfUQ85zakdJ/9HlMxQiC8AtnwZmgC69qXGI5xOcgu 7gNRGDHxGko54vu4slqRoGPgj2nGXOafA7XIfEclda020ZPoJKa/ZlQhubGyLezz6Ahj zkwf6egQpA5090Egxr/0pm9CcWuE6LIY/mGwM= Message-ID: <4934FE91.5010408@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:23:29 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> In-Reply-To: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Bruce Gilman schrieb: > If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you > using synthesized sounds? I take what fits and sounds right. It is completely irrelevant if its a real instrument or synthesized in the first place. In both cases sampling takes away some of the expression potential of an instrument. If its synthesized, you might get better results in using a synthesizer instead of a sampler, as you can controll the sound with Midi. You would also get better results if you can play the (acoustic)instrument, or have a friend play it... But sampling also offers extensions to the original, mainly with synthesizer technology or massive layering... 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1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 10:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45AA43BE8D; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:48:17 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:48:20 +0000 (UTC) So small! These are interesting controllers for keyboard players too. Is = anyone using one of these in combination with the LP1? It's USB only, so = I guess I would need a kind of USB-midi converter or connector, because t= he LP1 does not have a USB socket. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 12:21:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF6803BE91; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=8vq/E8ltHiWVZ1/92gWSaP5SGOZA7XXD9VPMCThbtfQ=; b=qwRbVmrhVST27nl3DTuRdXyZen6v1NngHVQ3+DKbk2EnXazByOtgBPTu20keoQ0Vh7 2TRudMJjYtORi5JASnYlgLHfjfNZypvbPP1bqwf/ZTH2OQHt+axwLGso5VHpmfJQNZBt Hx5Rm7SC8+sm94T1hYxHLsPsolRPZTcJ5B8HA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kex3XOmI7l3mVxQZkJE7mxAhrcjiQG/EvWTAXhP74e/y1SWcwdORnW0vsWQ54EoM13 zy6/toKCNlino8ih57uK8seFqha/UyotEQ92+2ge71VJrCLAn6KMTfzafXv69+kBO024 HwLIkPtbiSdy/oGdZGMbwDMeM/RnWiycNo6qk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:21:48 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <3ok-WC.A.flE.ghSNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do. My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI input? I'd like to rig them up in Bidule. Some years ago I succeeded building a four channel looper with four instances of AL hosted in Live. I used MIDI clips in Live to handle some of the control data routing and found that it was easy to get a similar functionality as with Mobius or a multi EDP setup. No cuing up of loops of course ("MoreLoops" in the EDP) since AL doesn't support that (but it would be possible to work around as people to with SooperLooper and Looperlative 1). BAck then I also found out that it was not a good idea to use AL due to the clicking noises that followed when I sent the sequence of commands that would induce a SUS Replace functionality. But now I'm reading that Augustus Loop 2.0 is reworked to get rid of those pops and clicks (dedicated punch-in functionality) so I'd like to give this project a second try (if I can get my head around OSC and scripting, that is). Back when I made the prototype i Ableton Live I had to assign new foot pedal buttons to the same functionality in every instance of Agususts Loop, and that is not good for live playing because it forces you into using way too many foot pedals. So this projects sort of depends on the option to target one instance in particular while keeping the same foot pedal bank, simply directing it's control function into one of the loopers (or some of them). Sure, this jack routing of controlling MIDI input can be done in Bidule, but Bidule is so boring and tedious to program (maybe that's what makes it powerful?) so if such a functionality would be possible now thanks to OSC and scripting in 2.0 it would be a great time saver. I like Augustus Loop because it offers varispeed both playable by MIDI note steps and continuous with no steps ("scratch like"). It seems 2.0 also has time-stretching (pitch without changing loop length) but I haven't looked into that yet. There are so much under the hood in 2.0! Oh... the built-in effect loop seems cool. A send/return effect loop within the looper! I had that in my Repeater and experimented with putting stuff there; like my EDP or a reverb. The best box to put into the R's fx loop was the filterbank and I'm curious what cool sounds will be possible by AL 2.0 when putting software equivalents of a DJ filter bank into the looper's fx loop. goddammit, this mail just grows longer and longer... gotta stop here. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 13:44:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F9C73BE92; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:46:37 EST Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d51.3aa54a2e.3666963d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:44:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d51.3aa54a2e.3666963d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/08 3:30:18 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > There were so many crazy > stories about angels and saints connected to that stone, only further > convincing me that life must have been extremely boring in during the > pre laptop ages. > i'll take angels and saints over a lappy any day!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Life should be easier. 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In a message dated 12/2/08 3:30:18 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


There were so many cr= azy
stories about angels and saints connected to that stone, only further
convincing me that life must have been extremely boring in during the
pre laptop ages.


i'll take angels and saints over a lappy any day!.....:)m

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(http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&ici= d=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000002) --part1_d51.3aa54a2e.3666963d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 14:44:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0565C3BE8D; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 110945828/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.170.173/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.170.173 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMAAAbYNElPTqqt/2dsb2JhbAAI0niCf4N2 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,702,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="110945828" Message-ID: <49354AD1.2070004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:48:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping?more PerBoysen music? References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Stone windchimes tastefully agitated by Per Boysen at a sound installation at Lohn a short walk from Mathon (near Chur) in the Swiss Alps. >From around the time of the 2005 Zurich Loopfest http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/hanging-stones.mp3 andy butler mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli > > Has anyone done any music using singing stones? > > peace, > > plish > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > http://thecavewall.posterous.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 15:33:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77AD23BE91; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EXJbmwOpAwcz4kn7RIaetgAcbXvLm1zD8TtWuCaaFaw=; b=fXz9OVJAodf+yPOXXNO+chMpG5RwO006b0knNTq9QVdG0jM17zhyFpmeNHPyXTavdc qH4JdVUk9KwiFOTRawDG20a3G2iJx0DJLtlPbgYKhcy46sE5q0r/BGmOyoxJDWZns83X +K9G8eVNvu/LOwNzmcwsx/mD0Y+227lGOzlRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iLXtuAkCoPo3xu9/aingNv9bHw/Br6eTycsoSCvCKab9nBDXfTXrlIAQMrt+5haj7S YDvfVbz8udzxjd+ejazq6DyaS7R6tHEsoy7mz2l1XzueqRVjmr0zAnpsOctRuqxTSBDJ VDyR4Uw3nEWgdGU60aTWQRMPNcU4yP5jgAW9U= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:33:56 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:33:57 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new > scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on > the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do. > > My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi > track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would > select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI > input? I may just have found a clue when reading the "multilooper" lua script: (need to try it out first to be sure though) requestNoteOn( 76, setupMultiloop ) requestNoteOn( 77, selectPreviousLoop ) requestNoteOn( 78, selectNextLoop ) requestNoteOn( 79, toggleOpenCurrentLoop ) requestNoteOn( 80, toggleFreezeCurrentLoop ) requestNoteOn( 81, clearCurrentLoop ) I guess we users can simply add stuff as we prefer, using this scripting style? --> Os, will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper commands/functions/parameters in LUA? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:28:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025503BE8F; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20081202122153.AFF363BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081202122153.AFF363BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-820024444 Message-Id: From: "Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist" Subject: Semi-OT: Stone Playing (not Playing Stoned ;-) was Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping?) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:28:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:28:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-820024444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I had a chance to visit India in 2006. I made the time to visit two ancient cave dwellings/compounds, Ajanta & Ellora (Aurangabad District, Maharashtra State). In Ajanta, in one of the caves, a local man was trying to earn a few rupees by pointing things out to tourists. At a particularly quiet moment when most people were outside of this particular cave, I started toning & chanting softly. This Indian man then harmonized with me while he chanted in Sanskrit. This lasted for awhile. I wished I had been carrying my portable recorder, because the sound within the stone cave was amazing. This particular one had a dome like a cathedral. I guess I am just going to have to go back & record it ;-) After our vocalizations, he pointed out how certain stone columns (these are all monolithic structures, carved out of the mountain stone, so a "column" is an integral part of the mountain) produced different sounds & pitches just when hit with our bare hands. It was stunning to me to hear & play these different & beautiful tones from these rocks. The ultimate hand percussion instrument... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM, wrote: >> http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli >> >> Has anyone done any music using singing stones? >> >> peace, >> >> plish --Apple-Mail-3-820024444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I had a chance to visit India in 2006. I made the time to visit two ancient cave dwellings/compounds, Ajanta & Ellora (Aurangabad District, Maharashtra State). In Ajanta, in one of the caves, a local man was trying to earn a few rupees by pointing things out to tourists. At a particularly quiet moment when most people were outside of this particular cave, I started toning & chanting softly. This Indian man then harmonized with me while he chanted in Sanskrit. This lasted for awhile. I wished I had been carrying my portable recorder, because the sound within the stone cave was amazing. This particular one had a dome like a cathedral. I guess I am just going to have to go back & record it ;-) After our vocalizations, he pointed out how certain stone columns (these are all monolithic structures, carved out of the mountain stone, so a "column" is an integral part of the mountain) produced different sounds & pitches just when hit with our bare hands. It was stunning to me to hear & play these different & beautiful tones from these rocks. The ultimate hand percussion instrument... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM, < wrote: http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli Has anyone done any music using singing stones? peace, plish --Apple-Mail-3-820024444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 16:40:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E903BE93; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: NjZWMEwVM1nW_BJ_yklgpV4y2cMtEcf1JhyiS82VPD8LYKFn1sUgKc6kWvbYVVWtgL5HSusblFnutdp5k_PfAV2DfcNXiqmXkOzWOkCksAtVdg.dzqPntsJ6LX5f3mtrYBih7xHRWX5sKCu1E0ntqo7x X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Wegmann Reply-To: theweg@verizon.net Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812010716h3e129bejbb22248cf880ce77@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-909754641-1228236044=:10899" Message-ID: <58760.10899.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-909754641-1228236044=:10899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all!, =A0 I really like this piece too!=A0 The flow/fell=A0is soothing and leaves= a person feeling at peace! =A0 =A0 Peace, Weg My URL http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater My Blog URL http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen wrote: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:16 AM On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo wrote: > Hi all, > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time > last night. > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on my > podcast > > I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, > 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all > there....). Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder". --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com --0-909754641-1228236044=:10899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello all!,
  I really like this piece too!  The flow/fell is soothing and leaves a person feeling at peace!
 
 
Peace,
Weg

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater

My Blog URL
http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:16 AM

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo <info@eterogeneo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i
recorded in real time
> last night.
> http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my
> podcast
>
> I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,
> 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are
all
> there....).


Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder".

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com

--0-909754641-1228236044=:10899-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 17:09:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05033BE8F; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:08:50 -0600 Subject: RE: Mobius Inside Ableton Thread-Topic: Mobius Inside Ableton Thread-Index: AclUNcxNZUw/Q5L7RUmdQNefeDza+QAaKIig Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B71CB@barq.sailpoint.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) > I would like to add another capability: running Mobius inside Ableton > and using it to overdub guitar parts. I like to do this on Stolen > Moments by Oliver Nelson. I was playing with it a bit, and it seems > like when I hit Next Loop, it immediately switches and starts > recording the next loop rather than waiting till the beginning of the > next bar. I have Synch Mode set to "Host Beat", and Mobius is properly > waiting till the beginning of a bar to start recording. The Next Loop > function, however, does not wait for the next bar. Is there a way to > get it to do this? The timing of loop switches is governed by the Switch Quantize parameter in the Preset dialog under the Switch tab. Common settings are Loop, Cycle, and Subcycle. These switch points are based on even divisions of the loop and do not necessarily match what the host thinks the "bar" is. Usually a bar corresponds to either a Cycle or Subcycle depending on how the loop was recorded and modified after recording. For example, if you're playing 4/4 go to the Synchronization tab and enter 4 in the Record Beats/Bar parameter. As you record Mobius will count beats being sent by the host and generate a new cycle every 4 beats. With Switch Quantize set to Cycle you should switch very close to a host bar. I'm curious about how this works out. There is always a slight amount of drift between Mobius and the host that tends to balance out over time but at any given cycle you may not be exactly on a host bar. If you're early, it will wait a few milliseconds until the bar is reached which isn't so bad, but if you're late it may wait the remainder of the bar which is bad. It would be more reliable to use Time Copy mode to switch the loop and instantly give it an empty loop the same size as the source loop, and set Time Copy Mode to Overdub so you're immediately overdubbing. The downside is that the copy has to be the same size as the previous loop, which for building sections is probably not what you want. Using scripts you can wait for exact host beat/bar boundaries so that may be better for you, but scripts are relatively complicated to develop. If you need to go there let's move the dialog over to the Mobius Yahoo group. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 17:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4F8E3BE90; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4934F3C1.8050700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000901c9540b$7a40cb90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <4934F3C1.8050700@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <196BA142-2222-4A3C-A6AA-0DCDAFB4993C@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Prehistoric looping? Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:31:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Another excellent example is the 1992 CD release by LILITH entitled "Stone". (Sub Rosa ST55). ALL of the "voices" are from stone and nothing else. Stones that were struck, rubbed, smashed, ground etc etc and sampled and then the "voices" were transformed into amazing sounds and textures etc. Nice ambient-"primitive" and I will wager bucks there is a good amount of some of kind of loopage involved in the over all process. REVcommended! 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--0-1573988870-1228240832=:74258-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 18:28:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43203BE90; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uBi29Cl1NqQlgjyYSCIIr5JxpglnAfiU7SVymMapD0OmNLFQ3YeSQCiIDhOr1a++0TLYiuFjozg8xgBmitmUkYxAty83hPIOVFJp8DnwEZJdnWv6yWN+QvD7TamKBUKAQ3/t1R3BTxzCE7NbzpGzDd8nENceazlCXq+UQGiogRE=; X-YMail-OSG: qhpbmiUVM1n8dsosPAKqLSXlQGnrM12A2qQ8IN_udxSlNMzhnUKOL1BcbmAWVTjpzEYdgOK5WKbcDBf7QdmtbvqWf0e3lC93Kvb6X1RJEaw1AqpJ.cAvGxoDFaG5M6_dRCr3n86vlOJrni3v.t7uDLQtNt6qMAY8Eq99L57ODDbhMMrNSjNDnyu6oWVOyEKV2gwSGicqayLLU3U- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7MbsoB.A.41G.x4XNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8 mackie mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard and from there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i puse my loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no post proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of my mixers eqs and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the soundcard before it goes into the speakers. What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without creating feedback? my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs: http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ thanx for your tips! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 18:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745053BE8E; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:49:03 -0600 Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Topic: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Index: AclUq7ef0L45EMCxSvqK44h/pmvp9AAARnzA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7229@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:49:10 +0000 (UTC) > What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to > bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without > creating feedback? my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the sp= ecs: > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ You might be able to use the "MON SEND" bus as an alternative to alt 3/4. Turn up Aux Mon on just the instrument channels. Connect MON SEND to your sound card. Aux Mon will now be the faders for the computer mix. Connect the output of the sound card to a mixer channel with Aux Mon turned all the way down. Connect the main outs of the mixer to your speakers. Put effects on the computer channel. What I don't know is if you can apply effects to the MON SEND output, it may tap in before the effects. =20 You could do something similar with the stereo FX SEND, using it as a computer mix bus without using the STEREO RETURN. But=20 page 15 clearly says this does not include internal effects processing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 18:54:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2306B3BE8E; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Sender: info@eterogeneo.com From: "info@eterogeneo.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New realtime recording uploaded X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1s X-Originating-IP: 151.33.68.157 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:54:28 +0100 Message-id: <49358464.99.6518.1387520379@webmaildh3.aruba.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Rating: smtp2.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi people, thanks very much for your feedback. Dear Sjaak, my podcast mostly contains (my nocturne) real-time recordings: other are live recordings with monr editing work. In the last 2 or 3 years, i've reduced a lot the post production work (at last, for my own pieces, not when i work with other musicians) and i tend to put all my energies in the live playing. Thanks again. It's really stimulating share comments and opinions about what we are doing... Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- Da : "Sjaak" A : "Loopers-Delight" Oggetto : RE: New realtime recording uploaded Data : Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:46:30 +0100 > > here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded > > in real time last night. > > Hi Fabio, > Good to have you back in the looping world. I'm usually > driving 3-4 hours a day in my car, so I have time enough > to listen to music, like yours. This is an interesing > song...very different from what the usual stuf here. And > your podcast contains ome really good tracks. Were these > real time recordings too? > > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen > abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> > http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 19:00:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85D193BE8F; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Sender: info@eterogeneo.com From: "info@eterogeneo.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: theweg@verizon.net, Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1s X-Originating-IP: 151.33.68.157 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:00:42 +0100 Message-id: <493585da.104.46d7.13033225@webmaildh6.aruba.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: smtp1.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Thomas Wegmann wrote: "The flow/fell=a0is soothing and leaves a person feeling at peace!" Hey Thomas, I'm happy for the sensation you got. When i had to give a title to the song, i've tought to this one: "Who's disturbing peace ?" (it's related to the glitch sounds you can hear in the middle of the piece, opposed to the general feel of the song. Interesting that you've feel something similar, in some way.... Thanks Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo =a0 > =a0 > Peace, > Weg > > My URL > http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater > > My Blog URL > http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater > > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen > wrote: > > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:16 AM > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo > > wrote: Hi all, > > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i > recorded in real time > > last night. > > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also > > available on my podcast > > > > I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, > > 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing > (all mistakes are all > > there....). > > > Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense > of wonder". > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 20:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F033BE8F; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=z11i8hLOVQ+OwsQuj/UR7IIRgesGcyWCD1vRxY18WC4=; b=MxdgVQAPc8NBbD9WMVmHA7vOUd2MkMXq1T6mMMdG7CRMGJTO7p29aFOqKXdm2BImbv b05khNv1E0Rb+JZ8xktOHYujjOVfWTvXqoWD6Myf2dXEDPSS/gJ9D+gni77ppNx80r9O wA/dDjmAYxLKjMuwIv73pbxAo45CHVmLLJ9Os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=LlrSGfbZxtgCWx4LRMy9bYVluPzpud5Dy5Dk3ecBkZRdeY/vemJLRD/NzOS8PZwxEC lJHxdZ8+nh/qsXpAF/E01zHMzgoGk8pZHo+f8gHKNiC1m3UbCzty2a/hLe21qzThGTPw 17Vt9xF+dMy6BVWxRGlSnp4/bGGkf64AMaJkg= Message-ID: <493598AE.2050701@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:21:02 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration References: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies > to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and > unsophisticated oral history approach that I use telling it but it is > at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version. Oral story approach is much better than the "truth". We love the stories for their meaning. If you add your own perspective to it, your students will grab the essence of it much better anyway. (First time I heard of that story btw., no idea about the original) > Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO (constant > output with our without inspiration) was judged to be 'better art' > than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant > output). That is what I would expect. I would ask the students what they'd expect as a result. I wonder how young people, without their own experience of what training can do, would look at it... One misconception is often that you think inspiration is coming out of nothing and you don't have to be forced to anything to grab it. But that's not true, there is no contradiction of being forced to do something (work in a completely different field to earn your living for example) and getting inspired. Whatever life throws you in, is the source of all the inspiration one can have including practice... In my own experience I must say, deadlines help - definitely. If you don't have any you have to invent them. Its hard, I am not good at it. If ist coming from out side I happily accept it. It will drive me into stress, but after all is done I feel much better... Only if there is no time left at all to do your art, there will be a problem... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 22:43:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 954AF3BE92; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Q1wrRmpX7eWyJM++kYQBfT7SOL6ik2ER7OdsSMeAcns=; b=MEgc62mGT+ouBilQNYsaRW965pveRQJQCeTd1RkF/Ic/t2LxJvGkj/ykTNusZvAh5E 8IQfNXVRgc874w0z+pVWcw9dVo6Mr4F10TJ+4iU15p4MHjjr8McrMwZl1a8KQaRI44fn EgHT8QmMZibB+8bBi0vtj3nv2Q7ALPD3Syh7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=wU50JLVZi5g3IEmiXs0Ir0Hu+T2B1s8pFlmvVA47OT8z/m3+YfxMldAP47XWs3eEsC K/xpKsLNYpUSIl85hdqoeu/wqb+z9wI76aktkqYlZfgjyAUdfVthtM7/GFedg0iZ4WHV KbHomi1V9OSt7fNc4E+zCgQWdIDHVXiJ2pf/8= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:43:56 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gordius foot controller user experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:43:58 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius foot controllers, more specifically the Little Giant: * General experience * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when performing with Mot=F6rhead) * can it be powered via USB? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 23:07:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09BB03BE91; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kHnISH9JfdprGO2Sc+Y6rvOMnnlyf4O0UeWsy3ZDMCfv43U2XtkOR1j5ZkHUnDRho9t4nhKFqopzF60zQUPW/b4OZOixdudfDO0FHTrnp9vyNQQOsPc/nD5Pt5lX1W+vjrgLOO4f1v+lxuhVRIKWxUVZNceiXEsLSbJr8k/3quY=; X-YMail-OSG: PpUHxRYVM1keXSsvJ6W4hA2WlQ_mmLcPtgkSwzq194FumndkrOtmASYCGJrO9UECSt.XufPA3iFWTkPoNb.wA_lJP52HR7FGM4BOUFkoar3Pp67dzjqS85tEX3AR5UPmwqs6GjqvCEiDe_l_CtP0YpiMhRKdP8DZGUFh31QVD9hCx8BsgrxGGiUFib4pLgXnWyYeNjTKkU_NOoo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081130143046.M87136@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <770661.93131.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Yes Rick i remeber you playing that beautiful little instrument at my place man i want one too! very nice piece Per cheers www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Rick Walker wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Subject: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:37 AM > This piece is just magic, Per, one of my favorites of all > the music I've > heard (which says a lot, because I love your music). > I love the mixture of the composition played in real time > and then the > recontextualization of many of the sounds. I'm amazed > that you came up > with such an amazing bass drum sound using the music > box.............any > hints about what magic you created in your sound design for > that one? > > As far as that goes, I'd love to hear your description > of how you created > this marvelous piece of music. It's just > beautiful...........just the > right balance of melodic composition, randomness and > generated sound. > > It also makes me realize that I've composed my UR toy > music box recording > but have yet to actually punch the paper yet. I devised a > way to compose > for the toy music box (under $15 USD) using Fruity Loops FL > Studio Producers > Edition ($150) and my MacBook Pro running Win XP ($3,000 > USD). > > This is what my wife lovingly refers to as UMAD recording, > or an Unholy Mixture of Analogue and Digital. > > Anyone else interested in this delightful composeable toy > music box can > write to me and I'll show you where to buy one. > > I gave several away to composers I admire in an attempt to > create a new > project for the CT-Collective but I"ve been so busy > with touring, performing > and the loop festivals that I haven't had a chance to > follow through. > > Perhaps in 2009. > > I can be reached at looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 23:10:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5573BE93; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sOzDkdTjAP55xms2jzY4xwZEp/r3brTxIgwNr3SeR1bgAdT8h7EOOhEBG8gS9AsLeclW2y/rBgIO5rNP+bQTRkRjDa9muj9VwSv55g5OHA8zLEFQayeglg74Xz/pCrCkLbG/CqJpEgPjFdlN59ErLjsVGaCOX86iVpOvQZZ2C9M=; X-YMail-OSG: ieBeB00VM1ksjjAReyrzDybtYMeQdzrcHY1dK5cadxr2F4tr5t9AQiU8v3Qfmmv4RICUG2Xwi40004vVo7bE2xaSdrfAQC_3igKxi2W_Gm4vGj2bTfG_SFb6lYLXP1z2JKZ5LMfkoQGMyztvzBBOb5w5cpJIiFKw7QvfD4nozngHVihSY6oJwIHG864TfDHBaNRTdWqRU2UUbjs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <38535.25622.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker was using one at the Y2K8,to my surprise the screen was smaller= than i thought!I recall Bill saying that he was initially lost with it but= other than that a very powerful controller.I didnt think the clikcing was = an issue at all after seeing him play www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Rainer Straschill wrote: > From: Rainer Straschill > Subject: Gordius foot controller user experiences > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 2:43 PM > I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius > foot > controllers, more specifically the Little Giant: >=20 > * General experience > * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 > (you won't > hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it > even when > performing with Mot=F6rhead) > * can it be powered via USB? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Rainer=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 2 23:28:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03633BE98; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gNnVZ2JQhlgThi4X54N809L7CVp/m5E1xr5Mbdt4M4cj7t5f2P9a87ImeJbhW3wycr1gIgOBhsCgu1v40nE1inlk6Qs0Q5UpLFiwPgOWiC9gaXRZT3/QBCVY79knpYVCUiq8VfpwxiwnQWPVqbIlMjAkfJwN75WPK7hwzI9wSF0=; X-YMail-OSG: I7Ei5rwVM1kIrZVZm_RmWUQru9mnI3vs.39QXzcUcu7By.ngnPLYxEDyb31TsNAFM5g.4dInX_m7808DbKHprdPDaUU4XveSCL43ZpWDInClRJW1v3Edi5X10gLyNYbaPovqlxtlVKaRiPXATv.ucQI2VPU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:28:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <962260.75726.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:45 +0000 (UTC) As far as conga samples goes this is it http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=1256 it dont get better than that! Luis > In seeking for a sample library claiming to replicate an > instrument > such as conga (with all the little nuances, slides, mutes > etc. perhaps > the more expensive the better. > If i client wants "real" instruments but is not > perared to pay them > (as in the case of the orchestra) the next level would be > the most > sophisticated sample library of whatever instruments you > desire to > compose with. > > In my case, that would be percussion (I now know why there > so few > percussionist/drummer live loopers respectively) > > Ill repeat the question i asked earlier. > If one is looking for a sample library with the most > "authenticity"/"realness" in sound, > what library pack would you > recommend for your respective instruments (to open it up, > but > percussionists?). or what company is in the lead-quality > wise. > > > > Respect > Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 00:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821773BE97; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20081202230723.8310C3BEA6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081202230723.8310C3BEA6@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:42:25 -0800 Message-ID: <005e01c954e0$039e18f0$0ada4ad0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9549C.F57AD8F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclU0r2+OkrMQyznSvWdRXvh71wXdQADQGFg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <3K_YuB.A.WJE.gXdNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9549C.F57AD8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting read (with lots of suggestions and stories) related to this discussion: http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Habit-Learn-Use-Life/dp/0743235274 .Tim. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9549C.F57AD8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An interesting read (with lots of suggestions and = stories) related to this discussion:

 

      http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Habit-Learn-Use-Life/dp/0743235274

 

 

     = …Tim…

------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9549C.F57AD8F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 02:20:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D6413BE98; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=V/7yEnh/Savucd24dsbsWxYsgCP2ipN/NIrKU9sjXAEblF3SFASggO4IaTM0ThcIj9xS3Pr785LwGLHqenOfNbhjC0RuvIzdjX1pk+dpiGcKrYB0zdKNHzknLcfkaJqKk8zCjf6derjkORxnjGsJqfgTskBdSh6+8w4O2e+LFL8=; X-YMail-OSG: gimnH78VM1k.mrNWsi1eIDwWe4bE6wM9ewk7pj2GiWLm1x2FqYYq5kNLA.RGs_i0eGyppCnXXTCZbH6MFB58iioEZke7ukgCyxAuRp9PGlQuzWIFOXDRH3rpVGmaNb5v8H947WnolpRAxVGimaQUGy15L9Ah5ifHQHUkdW4a1rB_BgY6Wkz1brpb0mqdif4TBjVMeYiN3jySIP0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081201103157.qcblexbnk4csg8cc@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <872664.10494.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:20:46 +0000 (UTC) maravillosos Fabio! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 12/1/08, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:31 AM > Quoting eterogeneo : > > > > Hi all, > > just to share - here's a "fresh" new > improvvisation i recorded in real time last night. > > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 > also available on my podcast > > > Fabio, > > Great work. Enjoyed listening to this. > > My best time to listen to music is here at the office and > when they are "audio only" files that makes things > quite easy -- I can't watch video and work at the same > time and I don't want the LAN guys to get on my case for > using too much bandwidth. :) > > -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 03:37:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E00E3BEA6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 03:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1200 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:37:28 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228274247; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ef5rOrM+lixfrd9Ke8EyOwE5j4w=; b=e4Byk7rviDpyNB9TtKgcgw7MbktNMVMa03PLaTNdnBE0qtodNFIbF+61VQazcko7 OEkXxaD1z20mJDONAHDnL/COMki9zNSnwNcQeT4v4DBmNIg8j6rgWeTCVzPLfEQH; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=3L_lj7Lzy5vIhSvY7iEA:9 a=hSOJjLpeGZUpp_UzWvOuFfE7X4UA:4 a=G2AsRb49nnwmWARIy9zzNStElGQ=:19 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 a=kIigbadu0pum2kVrWeoA:9 a=U3_qForXYkIHO1xw1XoA:7 a=x1b8tXUQkJKUX2wSDl_ZB30P7JEA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: To: Subject: MySpace Revamp and Two New Tunes Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:17:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07B3_01C954CB.D29675E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclU9bmjvGEnozazTaatZwMmuFFFug== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 03:37:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07B3_01C954CB.D29675E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow loopers and Happy Holidays to all... I've revamped my tired, old MySpace page and have uploaded two (relatively speaking...) new tunes. Both tunes were/are an experiment as to how delicate and "pad like" I can get my Ebow to sound without being overbearing. The songs are titled "Gratitude" and "Simplicit", and involve my typical use of delay, reverb, volume pedals and the like. No synths were employed in creating this music. FWIW...I've not gone "laptop" yet, and prolly won't because I like the warmth of my old-school floor pedals and rack. As always, critique and commentary are graciously welcomed. It is, after all one big, continuous learning curve, eh? Thanks for listening, Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas ------=_NextPart_000_07B3_01C954CB.D29675E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings fellow=20 loopers and Happy Holidays to all...
 
I've = revamped my=20 tired, old MySpace page and have uploaded two (relatively speaking...) = new=20 tunes.
 
Both = tunes were/are=20 an experiment as to how delicate and "pad like" I can get my Ebow to = sound=20 without being overbearing. The songs are titled "Gratitude" and = "Simplicit", and=20 involve my typical use of delay, reverb, volume pedals and the like. No = synths=20 were employed in creating this music. FWIW...I've not gone "laptop" yet, = and=20 prolly won't because I like the warmth of my old-school floor pedals and = rack.
 
As = always, critique=20 and commentary are graciously welcomed. It is, after all one big, = continuous=20 learning curve, eh?
 
Thanks = for=20 listening,
 
Ed in=20 NJ
http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_07B3_01C954CB.D29675E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 07:50:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385F43BE98; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 351 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:50:03 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=BYarfRSzwme+l/Pj/TvyzqjcFNCD86EnW+uYanDW76U=; b=rus/Ni3C0TiqKhtwB+mZ8M1xNjL6OKrTJzJ54KDvQyUeQvEUppV5qnrpz2DcLxKa+8 SPhlau2RmDV186q05JZBdEAG1ztERHHtW8ctRY1Lcg6gxbMMVCBOA9Wz8pB9FghOq5VX wADlN9pJDi+3iiHJuN1LB4TgO/tBsG+lWr+Ro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HJ/qD+++tTi9K7TZYUgt33IFgCN1U7wvp+8d7aYfcqOb685CImT1xIUKgsEX2bS2Bx WOiLPd2NpOtjblQsFOMo2CxKlu8lJqHq2BP8zpH3J1qMzpVI/P7w2fwBHfxGJt7OW9yt 8kr6ohxtI7YJjIYPBGSFP5HgJ0/rvJagWNo58= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:44:12 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: bc55b5fd800b4fb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:50:04 +0000 (UTC) I will be buying a nanopad soon since it sounds like it's as great as it looks. can anyone tell me how big each pad/button is? I really prefer tapping drum rhythms out that way. I'm assuming this will work flawlessly controlling the sampled drum in ableton live and redrum in reason? On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Sjaak wrote: > So small! These are interesting controllers for keyboard players too. Is anyone using one of these in combination with the LP1? It's USB only, so I guess I would need a kind of USB-midi converter or connector, because the LP1 does not have a USB socket. > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 08:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E958C3BE97; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=beJZQQBjpDaZVCQeVP0AGLBYxNiatJSad7vOih8bumk=; b=r4XgmNsfF2wwKey3uUBNWbm7kQUGZ3dn0SZHtCQefuL4BBm9kQ7DDN82qBrQ5X6iXI i6TiCAen+gfoRmVgGTkKWmdF+oIEjkfBbW5wMjklqL+poJi8KdENO5EhK7IwD07/aDe2 5G2StNP1vKdGeHY1/8pnYm1WCtlla2c2KcVSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=u8llM+gDG0GH0a91J+Wt+xY6HDmdbBRg0HFOCcZaYyFgqnhRcc74Q3GfeX6+Ix5cdG B1/021APf1NxH7HgeUZf3VNILmAybG8cBThaNR2yr5azsdkiR9L112snjdxHhVVBSKis KBIVF9xd0hq5zP5rrxmblwC+z23xcLO8Ar4RE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:34:03 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d6adfa29da576369 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC) > --> Os, > will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper > commands/functions/parameters in LUA? There's 7 pages on this in the manual, starting at page 56. > My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi > track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would > select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI > input? Depending on exactly what you mean, that's pretty much what the multilooper example does. It lets you select the 'current' loop with an up/down pair of messages, and then the other messages are routed to the current loop. If on the other hand you wanted to just use the MIDI channel to direct messages to a specific looper, you could do that too (e.g. use the OSC port offset as the MIDI channel id and compare the values in the script) but not in Live, since Live passes all MIDI messages in to plug-ins on channel 1, regardless of what channel they were sent on. (I don't know why.) cheers, os. 2008/12/2 Per Boysen : > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new >> scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on >> the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do. >> >> My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi >> track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would >> select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI >> input? > > > I may just have found a clue when reading the "multilooper" lua script: > (need to try it out first to be sure though) > > requestNoteOn( 76, setupMultiloop ) > requestNoteOn( 77, selectPreviousLoop ) > requestNoteOn( 78, selectNextLoop ) > requestNoteOn( 79, toggleOpenCurrentLoop ) > requestNoteOn( 80, toggleFreezeCurrentLoop ) > requestNoteOn( 81, clearCurrentLoop ) > > I guess we users can simply add stuff as we prefer, using this scripting style? > > --> Os, > will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper > commands/functions/parameters in LUA? > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From cliente@quiubi.it Wed Dec 3 09:08:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4175 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:41 UTC Received: from 8web.net (8web.net [64.65.32.13]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8B33BE91 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20937 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 02:22:11 -0500 Received: from 78-4-84-217-static.albacom.net (HELO User) (78.4.84.217) by entellisearch.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 02:22:11 -0500 From: "Gruppo UBI Banca" Subject: Adesso e’ necessario che Lei ci riconfermi le informazioni del Suo presente conto. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 09:18:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D704F3BE93; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMAACXdNUlPTuk5/2dsb2JhbAAI0iCCf4N2 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,708,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="111542723" Message-ID: <49364FE2.3030100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:22:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences References: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius foot > controllers, more specifically the Little Giant: > > * General experience 1) It's simply the most powerful Midi controller you'll ever find. With loop-specific capabilities being added as I type. 2) Setup is not difficult, but does need manual reading. 3) Much more transportable than the fcb1010 4) CC from pedals is very smooth. 5) Support is excellent. 6) Well built. 7) Very low latency, faster than fcb1010 Xavier is very attentive to his customers, and responds very quickly to sensible feature requests. (also responds quickly to non-sensible requests on occasion ) > * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't > hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when > performing with Motörhead) Perfect, 2 scenarios that would never need midi. If you press slowly, it's silent. If you press quick enough for rhythmically accurate looping then it's audible, particularly the release of the switch. In volume, it's slightly louder than the tap on the EH Stereo Memory Man, but not as loud as the Bypass. > * can it be powered via USB? no, not possible with the high brightness screen > > Thanks, welcome andy butler > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 09:46:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0933BE97; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KCcbVoCY1fzDoyLuLmbcjK7OnJJ0Em2q3EplDYjEeN8=; b=HAQl9mgwk80MZFWpGH9jLE0bcSBollTkLY/FHXoi2JDqtxWUZN+JUnhK2BvWPdSLQr XKN06GgPfQ1dh/yNR/XRzrwDdGyCZQjmf7FRRl1j/xphT3yOmnqX0hHZpFzN7989JRWA 3ZMji4VyGULBGOvEH4myu9VVUFIiEW2GXGWsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BggtE0MOd8GxzQCw5BBUbOU9OFpT9Y8oCZ3V8R2jyExcoE8KW+vYcG8BP4ggVEbZjL 9gTwcpbSG8+6sHaC/vulwwSeVI4peLk2n8W3qhJXsQy4A4Ovnwj4cjPUuQunbMhbdwse hTabSoaI2eXy8yVNM41IX+y6M9pGG/8E5g8qI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:46:07 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration In-Reply-To: <493598AE.2050701@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> <493598AE.2050701@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6wxf-B.A.4PE.hVlNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:46:09 +0000 (UTC) I remember the great comedic writer douglas adams saying something like..."I love the sound of deadlines, that WHOOOSH as they go by. I came to realise that when it comes to deadlines, this aspect of myself kicks into full gear : http://www.amazon.com/Procrastination-Task-Avoidance-Treatment-Psychology/d= p/0306448424 Only later did i find out that its a classified disorder hehe. The solution (or part of) which is most amusing and one which have been practicing in a slow painfull way is here. http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/ He kind of recomends a procrastination loop, wheeby you fuel your creativity by avoiding the task you percieve most inportant buy putting a lot of effort into other "lessinportant but actually prety inportant tasks" In attempting to write a long essay for instance i would sort of bounce around from chapter to chapter. When the deadline for one chapter was looming, inspiration and ideas came pouring in for the other chapters. I End up experiencing the WHOOOSH but lots of tuff happens in the perceived stress of the deadline. It became apparent that my brother operated in much the same manner and during his college years, in pure avoidence of studying for finals he wrote his best music and perfected some of the most intense juggling moves. But...since he has been out the deadlines arnt there to fuel the "Family procrastination" and his musical output along with juggling tricks have kinda evened out. Its all good tho, we gota just relax into life sometimes, but its very interesting. On 12/2/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Rick Walker schrieb: > > > This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies > > to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and > > unsophisticated oral history approach that I use telling it but it is > > at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version. > > > > Oral story approach is much better than the "truth". We love the stories > for their meaning. If you add your own perspective to it, your students > will grab the essence of it much better anyway. (First time I heard of > that story btw., no idea about the original) > > > > Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO (constant > > output with our without inspiration) was judged to be 'better art' > > than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant > > output). > > > > That is what I would expect. I would ask the students what they'd expect > as a result. I wonder how young people, without their own experience of > what training can do, would look at it... > > One misconception is often that you think inspiration is coming out of > nothing and you don't have to be forced to anything to grab it. But > that's not true, there is no contradiction of being forced to do > something (work in a completely different field to earn your living for > example) and getting inspired. Whatever life throws you in, is the > source of all the inspiration one can have including practice... > > In my own experience I must say, deadlines help - definitely. If you don= 't > have any you have to invent them. Its hard, I am not good at it. If ist > coming from out side I happily accept it. It will drive me into stress, b= ut > after all is done I feel much better... > > Only if there is no time left at all to do your art, there will be a > problem... > > Stefan > > -- > Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()----------TJ Shredder > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 09:51:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4E03BE93; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B7AclxPQRv5ISTfJhcNwB1Xv+TnCGPPqu21qYW9LDmE=; b=auX9G669WPoZGZbJz+psjmqy/0yF+M4va9TW5zcNviuPutMrVJKM4e7ObiI2RnqwDe 04QXnnDhHUPzQkwdrdfazZrV7NVIJfUMQRDcFsJ32PCnHqTeRMeKIeTebTbbE4Vy2zlt niGKMd+nvqJOmJ980IkMDeNc+2WhuWTLjT00I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lk6Ht9TPb/pVFSMqX2t2jvrHq+Z50KPJGQ99y/FmJg9fFx5LKw7V6Ohl+Z6bOpkd3w KwnPz46W1ewMPqv9RS+3gaOZSXkZiH9TJhN32JnSh9aLjrQsmEfguklgguoyu25Y9Mls p7VMFgGq/2cZzE/qakYzuvwPkS/DWMAO+BrNc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:51:51 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <962260.75726.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <962260.75726.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:51:52 +0000 (UTC) fantastic. Thanx. On 12/3/08, L.Angulo wrote: > As far as conga samples goes this is it > > http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=1256 > > it dont get better than that! > > Luis > > > > In seeking for a sample library claiming to replicate an > > instrument > > such as conga (with all the little nuances, slides, mutes > > etc. perhaps > > the more expensive the better. > > If i client wants "real" instruments but is not > > perared to pay them > > (as in the case of the orchestra) the next level would be > > the most > > sophisticated sample library of whatever instruments you > > desire to > > compose with. > > > > In my case, that would be percussion (I now know why there > > so few > > percussionist/drummer live loopers respectively) > > > > Ill repeat the question i asked earlier. > > If one is looking for a sample library with the most > > "authenticity"/"realness" in sound, > > what library pack would you > > recommend for your respective instruments (to open it up, > > but > > percussionists?). or what company is in the lead-quality > > wise. > > > > > > > > Respect > > Byron > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 10:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D883BE95; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=A7bVRnw8L2vrum0XbV07aXdVShzNuT9hDvf4WKlnffA=; b=xrvGmTeDUKlN5gfepe7+DMjszG3J86WCXi9k3exwodGa1TxK3uEdrF1mqH8O9+XNLA +kjGu6CF4uC3odU6mXjKWY7GrNeJXUvhNnqYY6+cTXK89RG9/cDjm3FP2jM7mDGA0IJi zph0l52oyCjad6zgcrE681wqtKnJfW0p41qk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eMQ1QsI61XRREv94oquCMIg4iRLxhcyIaY1MitF5SBM4BgBOYq+FuXc/o22cSGLkfV 8HJsJML1Zl+dAkvI5IKBVKE/wSVFXasIzdvB0owYkiTppyocppugX4pZsTyr2lzvl8NZ l69tgoRwCkqwHADsQntqHexPbwE3UJg3dP1Vk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812030222s2573059dn5357308506fbe7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:22:34 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:22:34 +0000 (UTC) >> --> Os, >> will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper >> commands/functions/parameters in LUA? > > There's 7 pages on this in the manual, starting at page 56. Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply "Feedback" in my script? The Scripting is well explained by the manual, but not all the other commands of Augustust Loop that doesn't happen to be used in some example script. Below are two examples of function that I wasn't able to target by modifying the "multilooper" script: --> example 1: local paramID_ReverseLoop = getParameterID( "Reverse Loop" ) -- local function toggleReverseCurrentLoop( channel, noteNumber, velocity ) local v = getOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_ReverseLoop ) setOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_ReverseLoop, 1-v ) end requestNoteOn( 5, toggleReverseCurrentLoop ) ---> example 2: local paramID_MasterFeedback = getParameterID( "Master Feedback" ) -- local function handleMasterFeedback( channel, cc, value ) local v = getOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_MasterFeedback ) setOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_MasterFeedback ) end requestCC( 12, handleMasterFeedback ) __________________________________ None of these worked, so I must have made a mistake? > If on the other hand you wanted to just use the MIDI channel to direct > messages to a specific looper, you could do that too (e.g. use the OSC > port offset as the MIDI channel id and compare the values in the > script) YES! Very smart! But I can hear that it means some six hours for me to find out about how to do that in praxis and it has to wait. (I don't even know where to look for the "OSC port number". I saw something that defaulted to 7000 but everything worked fine when I changed it to "1" so I didn't notice what it did. The fastest way to learn something like this, I think, is to fiddle around; change one thing to see what happens etc. The manual is good but I'm worried about what isn't there and that I don't even know about ;-) > but not in Live, since Live passes all MIDI messages in to > plug-ins on channel 1, regardless of what channel they were sent on. > (I don't know why.) Wow, I didn't know about that! Weird. Doesn't make any sense. Maybe that odd behavior can be used for something... when you know about it? I stopped using Live long ago, but for other reasons. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 12:08:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC103BE95; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:08:09 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <49364FE2.3030100@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081203120809.10250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> <49364FE2.3030100@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18vGu5AXCkv2gLcqdNjRZQyG531gC4e8ubtrIX7oj zQidevz7v3ER0Lw/7euadj87QakrqGXyrWww== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: +gJTOWllZCEEfsdhnm0hKhV4IGhpZUbN X-FuHaFi: 0.61 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Concerning features, I never had any doubts. But this is the critical part: > > * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't > > hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when > > performing with Motörhead) Can you give a precise estimation (1-10)? I don't know th EH Stereo Memory Man. I just once had the EH Fooswitch (Nano Switchblade): http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ElectroHarmonix-Nano-Switchblade-Channel-Switcher-?sku=150091 I have traded it with a Boss Pedal because the EH was too loud: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-AB2-2Way-Selector-Pedal?sku=151306 So, what is a realistic estimation - more like the EH or Boss switch? best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 12:17:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A303BEA2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 111316614/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.233.57/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.233.57 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjABAIsHNklPTuk5/2dsb2JhbAAI0keCf4N2 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,708,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="111316614" Message-ID: <493679DA.4080703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:21:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences References: <7334ca1b0812021443q767b5e2fsce54e93c4498d3ef@mail.gmail.com> <49364FE2.3030100@tiscali.co.uk> <20081203120809.10250@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20081203120809.10250@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > Concerning features, I never had any doubts. > > But this is the critical part: >>> * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't >>> hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when >>> performing with Motörhead) > > Can you give a precise estimation (1-10)? with sensible examples I might :-) > > I don't know th EH Stereo Memory Man. Rainer has one tho' > I just once had the EH Fooswitch (Nano Switchblade): http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ElectroHarmonix-Nano-Switchblade-Channel-Switcher-?sku=150091 > I have traded it with a Boss Pedal because the EH was too loud: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-AB2-2Way-Selector-Pedal?sku=151306 > > So, what is a realistic estimation - more like the EH or Boss switch? i don't have either of those Gordius is slightly louder than fcb1010 when doing rhythmically accurate presses. ...but can be used with less force, so could be quieter. > > best regards > Buzap andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 12:22:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9061A3BE98; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:22:53 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081203122253.10260@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19eDFRNYMpejCYaOcsRc53ZMscX2/VGg29EC9hpWJ xspQU1/0XLvVQm4qZ5Le1Y3vOkqPPj8D7g2w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: fBNDejYxODB6c8N6iGVM5DI9Ji9SWpKh X-FuHaFi: 0.73 Resent-Message-ID: <1aEyRD.A.VR.fonNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, this problem sounds familiar. In general, with your Mackie+Presonus setup, (as mentioned earlier) you really have limited routing possibilities... In any way, even if you get something like Jeff's recommendation to work, you should be very careful with feedback. I used to play around with routing on my small Soundcraft Compact mixer: just press the wrong combination of Playback/Record/Monitor routing - and you get bad bad feedback... You might want to consider some software fx as an alternative? Best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 12:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853973BEB9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=gsQDP2hs8frm/ce4J4KgnFoRUoQegXItqBWDkcp2Kk8=; b=INkvrh675v+MbJ8wEuIx5FDpgqNff3YcbtgHoRMw9yhNmtg01R++aHm6H8SvGSh7Qd H8Me4eKMH8eDhM0tC7DJWpUCiXF4WxBV/jf+assaiPePmi4k8i48QT+VD9C/VVO+kNDy u4YiNsj5BzMem2StmKOM7ohOniAf5CUe+v9hM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DWvdqrexmVerCIdJcZviPpK4xU5r4UEE9dUEsVgJtV1Hb2Xnfqn1rlono6qY/MGjL1 ZEFhgDQdihPXwgXtrJNR8k17yakR1Pf5Nj/JJ8He7qwygAOLihoGpfFQH9bSPLJ0YSR6 hkTrnaZJvfEe3q0xCZet479HEA7Lt22LhdzKA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:38:16 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812030222s2573059dn5357308506fbe7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812030222s2573059dn5357308506fbe7d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 651af4e7ecc97750 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:38:17 +0000 (UTC) > Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the > looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an > example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply > "Feedback" in my script? Those strings are just the parameter names - the same names that appear in the top right of the AL GUI when you move the mouse over a control, and again the same names as are displayed in the default host UI of e.g. Live or whatever. So in this case it would be "Master feedback". cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 12:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36FFB3BEB6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kcQUlG4aP05QEzLKA+7LyzGJbW+YC7M9WNtFZyMpS6M=; b=Ed3wFFt573Z02TyesMzYsBl/SVgIEcrwP0hTp73qx1tvQLQN46WzMp4OJ4ZFhu/NBE CoM6FLE/W4de7bJu9gB0ObluKJy7ICK8goio8AtL242GVDLNFGtX1jlamuyu2jSwk1Ec TpWsU+oGy/aF33KM8tRT7WvulSFE4oYtSdXvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SPeKeohCxiGy7butJVx4La1cXqxDm6GHZs2tqbYg7niJ+SMPnJ+cWn98PcvOoUy3Ta ZNVr+I1/Z/TlBX8yhwxxKEkqc5YdC3OS51mSQilcFrO63OLRcL/TPRQlUE0DhhUN0N5g MyUwNjr1wIinkDvMA/eSJ3yFjrE2zU9K/EAMc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812030446t8b0048byf58adeeb9aa1cc17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:46:15 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Loop 2.0 scripting question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812020421w6f2ba36as5b3a2074f1739e9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812020733ka1ca884nd37357fabbe9253c@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812030222s2573059dn5357308506fbe7d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) >> Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the >> looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an >> example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply >> "Feedback" in my script? On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Os wrote: > Those strings are just the parameter names - the same names that > appear in the top right of the AL GUI when you move the mouse over a > control, and again the same names as are displayed in the default host > UI of e.g. Live or whatever. Os, you just said the Magic Word! Can't understand I didn't think about that. Thanks! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:19:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81D973BEB9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5eRYOJv9L6BzSliM/fa3vFzaYZ/6w7OCpS/il1tdcDAaGfkjHTYuG2kUgCaBMm/a9jNp1ZowQIB7mjr2y/OIwM46n+gQyX1s9MZWJFh542yPxrNwrFBtsEZv5v7FYgSoJ2kjdpbB51pNNVNPX6iZC9gPT9DNFnsZPOf0NbQsKw8=; X-YMail-OSG: XN6wzf4VM1mVQGzWZNvLX2ZkB0Vf_Y6ytLGB_k8MLD5bkWoGZlsB3jEKfvnUPaGZ4JEP3JboppEdX_1dgB3wpmdtbxf_hW3aC6oEFgaIaeQ3go9YMwBjbHKDIqelkJ4cAWoxm0Ymw7xineU00oA4fL8Rh2w- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081203122253.10260@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <399373.16129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi Buzap, i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going to ask if i could rou= te the soundcard with mobius through a software reverb efx plugin or someth= ing instead of returning it back to my hardware mixer to get that post reve= rb,how could this be done? But isnt there a soundcard outhere that has all its individual outs to a si= mple integrated software mixer with 3 band eq and simple reverb effects out= here? hard to believe,i remember one of the first soundcard that came out w= ith a breakbox i think it was called Aardvark had that.I was thinking that = maybe the RME FW400 could be a solution to exclude a hardware mixer alltoge= ther because you can route assign all its outs to a specific port (unlike t= he firebox) which mobius requires,but then i am back to the problem of not = having eqs and reverb on its software mixer to fine tune my acoustic guitar= and other acoustic instruments. So basically what id like is: having all my instruments plugged in to the i= nputs of a soundcard,then eq and add a bit of reverb to every instrument in= dependently then loop them with mobius and have a bit of post reverb to hav= e a little bit of natural trail so when i pause or stop loops it doesnt sou= nd so dry,isnt this possible?? after looping with mobius i am going to find it very hard to go back to my = mono EDP plugged to my sends of my hardware mixer,please tell me there is a= solution!! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 4:22 AM > Yeah, this problem sounds familiar. In general, with your > Mackie+Presonus setup, (as mentioned earlier) you really > have limited routing possibilities... >=20 > In any way, even if you get something like Jeff's > recommendation to work, you should be very careful with > feedback. I used to play around with routing on my small > Soundcraft Compact mixer: just press the wrong combination > of Playback/Record/Monitor routing - and you get bad bad > feedback... >=20 > You might want to consider some software fx as an > alternative? >=20 > Best regards > Buzap >=20 > --=20 > Sensationsangebot verl=E4ngert: GMX FreeDSL - > Telefonanschluss + DSL=20 > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 14:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C993BEBE; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=o3wy4d5utStdnwTmihQ7UdftIba6iIORr4/qOvxyiFqpYKGKk7uBRxPVlmjjeGIpAHnOt2bEb4y9+Sh1d3sFj/AghXPUCiWp2ac6Brp53HwzXUDbc1f3fG/604lGdwpBTYnBWFp1IR6sJXV5u74gE08ubJgE4M/kQnki1zmfAfA=; X-YMail-OSG: M3C9No4VM1k9Q67U_e3wuX8kSUUWy5gjzoWAPsWkXbmLs1kkpez0W0sk9cCTd5gnMUu4KtuGiXUrlQyYoebIhnZ4zLqWDrLS2QhCN3va1r7rW49PMrtmxr0MC2t45b7WstPSexlFBD55J_Ry0c7vS4LzgmMm8DoweUPGFfnUYjuA7y.gQBMiOSmyyYPB2MyY9oQmyKeO9NfZx9I- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7229@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <660011.24567.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8oEv8.A.OgD.sZpNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Jeff but this isnt a good solution,first of all it is noisy then i have to have the individual channels muted when i am using the monitor send, otherwise i get that metallic oscilating feedback sound. Please see my other post on this thread i am really hoping to find a solution for this i am in love with mobius and will find it hard to go back to my mono EDP!! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:49 AM > > What would be the most effective way to route this,is > it possible to > > bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the > mixer without > > creating feedback? my mixer does not have alt 3/4 > outs,but here is the specs: > > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ > > You might be able to use the "MON SEND" bus as an > alternative to alt 3/4. > > Turn up Aux Mon on just the instrument channels. Connect > MON SEND to > your sound card. Aux Mon will now be the faders for the > computer mix. > > Connect the output of the sound card to a mixer channel > with Aux Mon > turned all the way down. Connect the main outs of the > mixer to your > speakers. Put effects on the computer channel. > > What I don't know is if you can apply effects to the > MON SEND output, > it may tap in before the effects. > > You could do something similar with the stereo FX SEND, > using it > as a computer mix bus without using the STEREO RETURN. But > > page 15 clearly says this does not include internal effects > processing. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:27:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073C13BE95; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Zu4rfwRFtoLfe4H92lzN5+gEYKS6CzLNxktf0gq4smN/EkiLYMLH8Uo4kwbs6Y34+Jc5qy+hoQ8w/gJIboq7Aot0dOyY4lFPCzfxwpJfdpXwGxDgoiCe5Cnxp2L3+jZl; Message-ID: <20081203102732.nynp7421kc8w0kc8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:27:32 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing References: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want you would need to =20 configure your looper (in this case, your laptop/Mobius system) as a =20 SEND EFFECT. The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends. Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send is already tied =20 up, so that leaves the MON send. For your return (I assume you want a stereo return) use either your =20 9/10 or 11/12 strip. This will allow you to send your laptop's output =20 to the FX buss. Be sure that your MON send is turned down -- else you =20 will get feedback. Also, make sure that the FX to MON pot is turned =20 down else you'll get feedback. Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to return send effects. =20 Also, the ST return can be used as two additional mixer inputs =20 (although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning, or sends). The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers. Hope this helps :) -- Kevin Thus, you would hook Quoting "L.Angulo" : > Hi loopers, > i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8 mackie =20 > mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard and from =20 > there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight =20 > into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i puse my =20 > loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no post =20 > proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of my mixers eqs =20 > and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the soundcard before =20 > it goes into the speakers. > What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to =20 > bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without =20 > creating feedback? > my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs: > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ > thanx for your tips! > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EFDD3BEA2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:42:07 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VEDCIxonYqEsvdJTCB3yN813bXxC1fQiWhFbiEO38sR0Q15pl+mkyb/tKtq0qwtxXJ139/ARMrP04ilM3nsejrVtJIxJ4T6y8XBvHySHTI3UEDG3yILAi+C3hl3gOtMH; Message-ID: <20081203103515.c71b480zk0s4wow8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:35:15 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing References: <822156.18648.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081203102732.nynp7421kc8w0kc8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20081203102732.nynp7421kc8w0kc8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Forgot to mention: Make sure the button on the "Stereo Graphic EQ" strip is in the "UP" =20 (Main Mix) position. Also, on the FX section, make sure the FX to MON pot is all the way to =20 the left. The bottom line: make sure all of your MON send pots are all the way =20 to the left except for the strips that you want to send to your laptop =20 looper. -- Kevin Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want you would need to > configure your looper (in this case, your laptop/Mobius system) as a > SEND EFFECT. > > The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends. > > Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send is already tied > up, so that leaves the MON send. > > For your return (I assume you want a stereo return) use either your > 9/10 or 11/12 strip. This will allow you to send your laptop's output > to the FX buss. Be sure that your MON send is turned down -- else you > will get feedback. Also, make sure that the FX to MON pot is turned > down else you'll get feedback. > > Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to return send effects. > Also, the ST return can be used as two additional mixer inputs > (although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning, or sends). > > The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers. > > Hope this helps :) > > -- Kevin > > Thus, you would hook > > > Quoting "L.Angulo" : > >> Hi loopers, >> i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8 =20 >> mackie mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard =20 >> and from there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre =20 >> out straight into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except =20 >> when i puse my loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there =20 >> is no post proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of =20 >> my mixers eqs and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the =20 >> soundcard before it goes into the speakers. >> What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible =20 >> to bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer =20 >> without creating feedback? >> my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs: >> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ >> thanx for your tips! >> Luis >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 16:52:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 227473BEA9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:51:56 -0800 Message-ID: <8276E7EF295B4B72A224D089A626B675@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclU0FDPnKlCGyh5TdiEwRFxTidrfQAloQmw In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <94yTP.A.ZGB.ykrNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Doesn't sound like noise to me, Nice work Per. You reminded me to get off my ass and start creating my first music box piece. The first attempt I wasn't wearing my glasses and I punched holes in some pretty weird places. What is cool about this piece is the way you evolved it through creative processing and editing. Id you mount the music box to a resonant chamber? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:01:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147BA3BEA9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'eterogeneo'" , References: Subject: RE: New realtime recording uploaded Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:01:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C95525.C1EFF810" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclU0FH+1+nlqaLMSwORIZ56K+wEMAAmDklQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:01:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C95525.C1EFF810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother. Bill _____ From: eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:15 AM To: ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New realtime recording uploaded Hi all, just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time last night. http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on my podcast I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all there....). Greetings Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C95525.C1EFF810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother.

Bill

 


From: = eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com]
Sent: Monday, December = 01, 2008 6:15 AM
To: = ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New realtime = recording uploaded

 

Hi all, =

just to = share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time = last night.

 

I used = Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,

5 VST = effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are = all there....).

 

Greetings

 

Fabio

 

 

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:09:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09C923BEA2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:09:18 -0600 Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Topic: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Index: AclVUjKoFP4gCai5RoS2MYWvDFBXCwAFsMrQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7470@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20081203122253.10260@gmx.net> <399373.16129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <399373.16129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:09:22 +0000 (UTC) > if i could route the soundcard with mobius through > a software reverb efx plugin or something instead > of returning it back to my hardware mixer This would be the simplest solution but you need to use the VST version of Mobius. Using a host like Bidule, route the sound card input into Mobius, route Mobius into the reverb plugin of your choice, then route the reverb to the sound card output. I'm finishing up testing the Mac VST, it should be ready in about a week. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 17:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F4F3BEAE; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 351 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:48:41 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 802832.28061.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xZZCc1bmN/De7DZoqcUzdD9kvIsXV8+gMZmEoqQpiVjAFOcjVzPiq9Z8c5htOTB6aAiK+rBQXyyUo7j/0q3Tt+nvYmkDeYL3XTmPAXNIkCqJ23n+dB0McY/LMJZ37C7YqeCBKQgsahZNXL6Ah3aMu1dcctsfw+DilgYLaz/nUyA=; X-YMail-OSG: Yg3h.0IVM1nxQ3A.lAzVxkkr6l5zo0zDUQsY6s0DtOpN1jiakG8M315RpjNwXFe6pEGew8Tg7JgZtBIOLI.jdsdQ2DF90sFMSjdg164kXaFmNIVRortSNILZXxvbFCM8TQREAENYTa.86zgoc2NHMTs4lMQ- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Industrys Reply-To: k_indust@yahoo.com Subject: Alternate Guitar Tunings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica. There are short clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like: http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only: http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/ I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire guitar and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allows each string to have its own effects etc... It's worth a look if you haven't seen it. http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFire/Technology.aspx http://www.kellyindustries.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:39:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24033BEB6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=sWp3xjl4ZvlzWCdKxdO46J35gGEzNUCtBvSOW32gpRE=; b=crbRXbECAlRDnd6dv7B6pDGqHNTI011OFnzVuMf9Vo8IG5iQ3YWJAF9PEFGcrEQbtt 3mQd6w3057Y5XSrSK2xKHkR86Y0ko6+lpTnp0tVbKz04G4nUa6hRHaac0RcZcQyeHVfN eOfIzbXx1adoIyK1dC39KigOOewxU840z/p+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=e2BBE1XQD+u+S6L/xM6u6p08isYvSvWxeyYmP+ewqpZpaY9UDm+cOmFUyYw2UZTZAg BXHGuA43JwQFA0DHPPJSzVofyn7vmTO9BZnalTohNSOm8TxH38WawOLunO8+5l52HXw5 qcB5UnvNNfcTWubH54N5s4h97FA7w9q/lyo7M= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812031039y67371ad4nb719dbc53543a465@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:39:46 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Luis, > But isnt there a soundcard outhere that has all its individual outs to a simple integrated software mixer with 3 band eq and simple reverb effects outhere? one solution (if you for whatever reason decide not to use a software reverb/compression/EQ solution) might be the TC Konnekt24D. It has four inputs (two of them with micpres) and outputs each, plus a pair of ADAT I/O for expandability, plus two (mono) channel strips of fullrange or multiband compression and EQ (Finalizer IP) and one Reverb send effect (M6000 IP). So this will only work with a maximum of four (mono) input channels, of which only two get dynamics/EQ. I'm somewhat surprised about your comment about the firebox - using the ASIO drivers, I could always address the outputs individually from my host application (although I've never tried that with Mobius, but it sure works with Live). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 18:53:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153653BEBA; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:24 -0600 Subject: RE: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions Thread-Topic: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions Thread-Index: AclP4z47o+5BnV1bQxONFUwD14+fUQFjpEsw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B74D5@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) I just bought a NanoKontrol and NanoKey. As expected they work fine with Mobius, but the lighted buttons on the NanoKontrol can't be controlled by Mobius. The button lights are used when the button is configured in toggle mode, it lights up when "down" (sends note on or CC > 0) and turns off when "up" (sends note off or CC 0). I like the Kontrol a lot. It has four "scenes" which are patches of assignments for all the knobs and switches. Typical Mobius use would be: Scene 1 sliders - track output levels knobs - track pan button 1 - focus lock button 2 - mute Scene 2 sliders - feedback knobs - alt feedback button 1 - reset Most of the things I would do with the transport buttons I would want on a footswitch, but some possibilities are: Rewind - Prev Loop Forward - Next Loop Stop - Reset Play - Play Record - Overdub The NanoKey is kind of cheesy, but hey it's $50. The keys are similar to those on a laptop with a very short range of movement. They wiggle a bit and look like they would pop off if you stuck a toothpick under them. They are velocity sensitive but not very expressive. You can pick three sensitivity curves. It's fine for triggering loops or setting pitch/speed shifts in Mobius, but you're not going to be playing any Rachmaninov on it. You can set the keys to transmit notes or control changes. There are "pitch up" and "pitch down" buttons that will simulate the action of a pitch bend control. Pitch change messages are sent over a programmable range at a programmable rate as long as you hold down the button. They worked surprisingly well for little scoops and doits. You can program the NanoKey to send on any MIDI channel, but there are no patches so it can only send on that one channel until you reprogram it. This would be a limitation if you had several synth plugins that receive on different channels, but again if you're playing synths this is probably not for you. Both the Key and Kontrol are programmed with KorgKontrol software you have to download from the Korg web site. It's easy to use. The combination of the Key and Kontrol do just about everything I was doing with a Novation Remote 25 in a MUCH smaller package. I mostly love them but really wish the NanoKey had "scenes" like the Kontrol so you could switch channels on the fly. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:11:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF0E3BEC2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081203141132.6ZJBW.788851.root@mp12> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:11:32 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: k_indust@yahoo.com Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts (e= xactly) for one reason or another is: C,G,D,G,B,D Or raise it a half step: C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D# I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on= the bottom. There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6 st= rings like mine but differ by just one string. I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string= and the 5th string. That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed varia= nt thereof). Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents. Cheers, Ted -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Kelly Industrys wrote:=20 > Hi >=20 > Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of band= s and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica. There are short c= lips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like:= http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html >=20 > Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only: > http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/ >=20 > I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire guita= r and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also al= lows each string to have its own effects etc... It's worth a look if you h= aven't seen it.=20 >=20 > http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Dark= Fire/Technology.aspx >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.kellyindustries.com/ >=20 >=20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 19:39:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F553BEB2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=DtTlHAiWWUf9efrcU7ip9IGjOsL/KVhy2TU+Y3ztvWFzZsh60vYq9ktGgGE9AztuE9PvpkZubfQege+N19IYR6IumYfiV8JzFaC03V52ObaeDJlpKEtlmL68tJXL6B70mYr4eQxBs0KaUdVO6nxPxmSt3SgN01Y9rKhwt7v/nVQ=; X-YMail-OSG: trM1EmEVM1leJkTyi2KfCN4nu_pF3iv6SjrRoAJ3X75ahi3qA77N8bw0cpwJQ8GrCLNUiKR9r3WGFlzg9gccWXmJUN55tLGrmGqY35O4fD6_1z6VSe00qKfh7kHl6ib1wA4x8uAoscmb6zXqYlfgsXMxUw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditchwrestler@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081203141132.6ZJBW.788851.root@mp12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-49335591-1228333162=:8470" Message-ID: <664957.8470.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:39:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-49335591-1228333162=:8470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My favourite tuning is to line-up=A0all the pegs in a straight line, parall= el to the headstock. =A0 Not sure why but it usually sounds better than having all the pegs go perpi= ndicular... ;-) =A0 =A0 ted. Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog --- On Wed, 12/3/08, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings To: k_indust@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 11:11 AM Howdy, One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts (exactly) for one reason or another is: C,G,D,G,B,D Or raise it a half step: C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D# I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on the bottom. There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6 strings like mine but differ by just one string. I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string and the 5th string. That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed variant thereof). Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents. Cheers, Ted -- tEd =AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Kelly Industrys wrote:=20 > Hi >=20 > Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica. There are sho= rt clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like= : http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html >=20 > Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only: > http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/ >=20 > I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire guita= r and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allo= ws each string to have its own effects etc... It's worth a look if you haven't seen it.=20 >=20 > http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFi= re/Technology.aspx >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.kellyindustries.com/ >=20 >=20 > =20 > =0A=0A=0A --0-49335591-1228333162=:8470 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My favourite tuning is to line-up a= ll the pegs in a straight line, parallel to the headstock.
 
Not sure why but it usually sounds better than having all the pegs go = perpindicular...
;-)
 
 
ted.
Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

---= On Wed, 12/3/08, tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net><= /B> wrote:
From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net><= BR>Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings
To: k_indust@yahoo.com
= Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 200= 8, 11:11 AM

Howdy,

One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts
(exactly) for one reason or another is:

C,G,D,G,B,D

Or raise it a half step:

C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D#

I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on
the bottom.

There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6
strings like mine but differ by just one string.

I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string
and the 5th string.

That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed
variant thereof).

Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Ted


--
tEd =AE kiLLiAn

Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h=
e
intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes

---- Kelly Industrys <k_indust@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
> Hi
>=20
> Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of
bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica.  There are sho=
rt
clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like=
:
http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html
>=20
> Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only:
> http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/
>=20
> I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire gu=
itar
and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allo=
ws
each string to have its own effects etc...  It's worth a look if you
haven't seen it.=20
>=20
>
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFi=
re/Technology.aspx
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.kellyindustries.com/
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>


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:22:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53FDC3BEA6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:22:05 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081203212205.223020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19m9sccQKRmnizxQyXJriaunrze2k9c0Hh9RBSkqK fRVxOrCdaGSTxaPysUcVu2mcdYRgqx9QLhmA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Kp1EaXo2eSEqUMh4kHUh03Z+IGRvbwAt X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Resent-Message-ID: <0DGq4B.A.EBD.AivNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Excellent link with sound examples! My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C: C G D G A D So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom. In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom. Eric Turnbull uses another LowC Tuning (C G D D#A#D#) in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRahpP5WP68 Check it out, great solo guitar tune. But _you_guys_ are the guitar players, anyway ;-) best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:30:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2BA03BEB2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Vbt1wbT0PQGhCoRyVoO5f3eODILWLhsyP6lpOHwivyY=; b=GWmWopDB7FwyAhDzmDm1LVCQc6jhBrlSL7r17gjSEyXXEm62rT3XFGuGP7ojPWsHzb X9ikwXbpK/P9mFsFMbi8zaeVIda76pcOHGbNxUWU/ZUTEqS81LfmL8dEy5eSSwRUZXBd GkpBSYGM1ZUkzWNV+9Qnwntw3HxawqBUbJGjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vY2IeB3QGuOfmewZmbSfZpUzaNSr+xNvhF9H1GPaQeUeloqvzq51LwGHktA8475Wwc xf1brCI5QYU1JogJcRFnrgm63M0Opt8gptk53UtfDBySMbRENaUZ+OpJnd8oU095DT4u Qhpu9rMYtA51Uv/Z9VYra94oOZ/T9aFsuPCq4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:30:23 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) If anyone's is in the mood for listening I just posted a looping heavy song here: http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >"The Yogi and the Commissar" > > About the song: > I wanted to give my three sexiest instruments three minutes to make out on the web. > They took three fifty three. > > Equipment: > Alto Flute, Tenor Sax, Stratocaster Electric Guitar, > Electric Wind Controller (EWI 9000s), > Mobius looping software, > Logic Pro recording software. I had a problem finding a proper style tag and finally settled for "jazz". Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:35:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FAED3BEBE; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:35:21 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <399373.16129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081203213521.223020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <399373.16129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dVX5mDGddJQ7gEjpYX4pd7S/puGWW+6DOg2zFTg 2/3ah44OrtioJx4nlfNEfZ0bvsQj+5autB0A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: /ZJTCHAjfW47VpNBjGRo4H9udmllcoWa X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis > i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going to ask if i could > route the soundcard with mobius through a software reverb efx plugin or > something instead of returning it back to my hardware mixer to get that post > reverb,how could this be done? Well, I'm still stomping on my RC-50, mostly. So, I guess other people can give you more hints on the software side (let me guess: i.e. someone could suggest Bidule+free VST plugins on Windows or MainStage on Mac / while someone else also would mention that you might as well build whatever you need with MAX/MSP... ;-) Have you actually also considered the Motu Ultralite Mk3 as Firewire alternative? For 550,- EUR you get ca. 10 in/outs with built-in hardware Reverbs, EQ and Compression. You should give it a look! http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3 best regards & good luck in the software world Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57003BEC9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=C5AtIz3QX1l33Pa2SiTQsvbRIuv5RWcqFg0jUVPWEYU=; b=WFgpvjogYlXZQP6IYvPejFGc628UpiokldY94DIXAq/KPWfxS7HdF3dr88O/qBDXQt 8NGoiRcc1bgxFZAbxKcE++XLSKM4vR7vmmlovZ446pWPvkNg3SDuEXbiynlWaGA0QZk4 8qs5iycjIytsji2uLaJvgrp/BO3r+fEHqFACQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NGHDDRIGFpBpbQnz0P5D9iPV4IAyNHzbm9dOSu8RzoGF85kcODl5rcbFpQ1HOCIkPw JU3FTTuJT2xHUxPL0Ndgk12ZvqDOYoNILZZVR50csL44c9U4DctXTGiup8fee8sWlvAn xdn9UYYdL1SbGfHNqkQZlWrO7ZZJZzbVyZlOE= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812031339u1764578emfee760cd88223b2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:39:51 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:39:53 +0000 (UTC) In the time ca. "SAUBER! - Das Geheimnis der Geschwindigkeit" (2001) 'til "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" (2004), I used a (bass) guitar (Tune Gap 6) tuned a-e-b-f#-d-a (the upper a being below a normal guitar's b string). This basically is a guitar tuning with inverted intervals (fifths instead of fours and minor 6th instead of major 3rd), and expands the range of the instrument by one octave. I did a similair inverted lute tuning on my B2AF (bass paddle fretless), tuning it d-a-f-c. A word of caution, though: on instruments with a very acoustically conductive body/neck (like it is the case with the Tune), the stronger coupling with 5th compared to 4ths leads to stronger resonances between the strings - a workaround is the use of per-string processing. As for bass guitar tunings with looping content, be sure to check out http://www.manthing.com/tunings.htm Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50E543BEC0; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:40:27 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <664957.8470.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081203214027.223010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <664957.8470.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+oxxdXZveou3gbAK5IZDsmGkRTFt5ulOWS/q7Jd2 g2z7KE0/D6CG54zBNfdNNYBznoNDESGTHgog== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: +coDeGg/bUk7FZ8oyWknt2BsZ2hlN0oW X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:40:29 +0000 (UTC) > > C,G,D,G,B,D > Yeah, like that also. I like it as G minor, too: C G D G Bb D Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:44:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764933BED0; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:44:08 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081203214408.222990@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX180RDFap980qN7pYQ7mZXy67f/bxpBGnxlhkNglJs zIkEweV5lI3sYuO0tyHdeR1RXotnIB3dQ4kw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: m8oEeC9/IydmCox+j2Zr+X9Sa2FkZtUq X-FuHaFi: 0.8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) crazy name... ;-) How did you perform the percussive sounds? Via midi keyboard & samples? Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 21:54:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87FB03BED5; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xNS3da78i1i/vMb+ciXK0cAJyDq3z0I+kG0e4jM8WCU=; b=aUJLw4R9vxDP0FcdahqAEiERbZtmKMRD4/IsWEUM5NrMECpnDeoiQCRljZvkbAAKAU uI6k132nRKdQDhV6NgZ2Tm0/VDyEpOUWImnY6SMd6K+HvvCW15blGE47dPRatwSivQHy fPCV61AmJI+Jy3wWt/SClHPvoB4aMhtCuTlHg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NxKmeHsdSgxy92U1l8MF17ZT+BEQM6QNd/L0NzZnbBmXRKRxbenzc5MrdoMSIoyW4N 3XOHp/j1Dnc8sS6cWxjKI/vZ6rlBLa49fRcxXmkV/7/mlD9G+WVMsYma6kfcVJFcrwWL JRdf88cQh3ZEzXz06WIvjc6KQY0x7e1plSxPI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812031354w7f5bba10i21ce47c1dd010fac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:54:07 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" In-Reply-To: <20081203214408.222990@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> <20081203214408.222990@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > crazy name... ;-) > How did you perform the percussive sounds? Via midi keyboard & samples? > Buzap > Great that you asked, because I just remembered this recent discussion here regarding "synthetic" versus "sampled" sound. This percussion is a bunch of sampled sounds. I simply penned the rhythm patterns directly on the screen, using the mouse. Reworked some old beats I found as MIDI sequences and made them fit in with the played and looped instruments. Great drum samples, isn't it! The sampler is Logic's Ultrabeat. It seems sounds come out exceptionally punchy and crisp from UltraBeat. But here I couldn't mix the percussion louder because of the other melodic instruments battling all over, so the drums and gongs doesn't really come out to its fullest flavor. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:46:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529FA3BEB9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:46:46 EST Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1228344406" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: <2BFCKB.A.MyG.hxwNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1228344406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listening right now. Beautiful. Captures my current overworked, tired mood completely. Peace, Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:02:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother. Bill ____________________________________ From: eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:15 AM To: ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New realtime recording uploaded Hi all, just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time last night. _http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3_ (http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3) also available on my _podcast_ (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=217423588) I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all there....). Greetings Fabio _www.eterogeneo.com_ (http://www.eterogeneo.com/) _www.myspace.com/eterogeneo_ (http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. 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Listening right now.  Beautiful.  Captures my current overwor= ked,=20 tired mood completely.
 
Peace,
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908=20
 
In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:02:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 billwalker@baymoon.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>

I love this Fab= io, I=20 can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother.

Bill=

 


From:eterogeneo=20 [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com]=20
Sent: Monday, December= 01,=20 2008 6:15 AM
To:=20 ambient@hyperreal.org;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:
New realtime recording upl= oaded=20

 

Hi all= ,=20

just t= o=20 share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time last=20 night.

http://www.etero= geneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also=20 available on my podcast

 

I used= =20 Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,

5 VST=20= effect=20 plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all=20 there....).

 

Greeti= ngs

 

Fabio<= /SPAN>

www.eterogeneo.com

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-------------------------------1228344406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 22:53:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD9A3BEA6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dl4ddnmZRv/G4ydjT9pkZUT0Eho06Fb9mhtxYmcfRhA=; b=SQ5c3H7NnN36cNOYyGn+N07hV46Xfz/3a+6hit7tfKSx5GPUZE9+X05ktkZAGYYVk9 V3SDqC/snu2pBBWD3vpdVoFBQ5Pxrp9GQqFw8547VEiYGtlXw8yRkX6ILXc7aKYUc7HC fqVymrHO9CZ+hNvLqmiX6jWMGhB7a9u88yhSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GY81evZRJP1YPyKshTAdIwkFCxD1H96uRSwTgrgy+ivr2ixIPjUtpij3kN7vwyHTgp jhi3tbwxgGAaQpD6LoWjWDsdeVddt75cUx2+FmeUXNslimIKptf2khyoGvfRqj274f4a rgMfzvKOWrgtv2qfTAD/lLhMpmhVNiw6mryE0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:53:01 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <20081203212205.223020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_100153_23105575.1228344781478" References: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20081203212205.223020@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5FDilB.A.wJH.O3wNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:53:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_100153_23105575.1228344781478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days. It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years. TH On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Excellent link with sound examples! > > My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C: > C G D G A D > > So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom. > In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because > it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom. > > ------=_Part_100153_23105575.1228344781478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.  It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years.

TH

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

Excellent link with sound examples!

My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C:
C G D G A D

So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom.
In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom.


------=_Part_100153_23105575.1228344781478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:10:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42ED93BE95; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HWRtRWs/ISD8h/o6cuvuLIfvL9J2PGX/wfelmH0WQS3yAAK6bep3NhMObW21gXaj/zWguExtBGt3TEimiYhCxsVhfJnieV8rAhxSrOrMzm+wblB0UAr+VODCan6iahGVjE9THtO1wcMfM6BbwGfOLc5BsMHN0KxIMCynOl0whCw=; X-YMail-OSG: w8ztTZEVM1lxysWLlsU2c.lPdJhvPZCNWumExNUHw5oFabH_JvJXJS31do5cE4s.QE88n2e7y3n_EfE5t.svpFtG0mzCwv1rQLwVi.Zlx04UOKTu48Pb7.5jXA4yVF78cNq258r3q5stQPoOjdlKxb1puHTA7T1ivD61wH9L1gy99pHoft5jW5saXFi.PjokiLhXpKv.SVgJW_g- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7470@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <222526.71422.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <66P6GC.A.NM.8HxNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:10:52 +0000 (UTC) yes, this is the problem i am using a Mac and unable to use it as a VST. looking forward to it Jeff! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:09 AM > > if i could route the soundcard with mobius through > > a software reverb efx plugin or something instead > > of returning it back to my hardware mixer > > This would be the simplest solution but you need to use the > VST > version of Mobius. Using a host like Bidule, route the > sound card > input into Mobius, route Mobius into the reverb plugin of > your choice, > then route the reverb to the sound card output. I'm > finishing > up testing the Mac VST, it should be ready in about a week. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:26:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E49B03BEA2; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NoGuX4GShTClMAiCGooLHje2zsgkfEGA9LGISBWD/5bM1KmIUTPlnAROm/8LPi4a4I8uE2hlzR40S9t4dDiknxmbo74NA3YARZTj/GQZ+MFjWMSgdesp8iuc3aM4dA/fyL6vWSp1ROce1etCXEE3aakfTBJICfi0KVnHbvWgbsM=; X-YMail-OSG: J.9b_6EVM1ntIxtn4wBNDqwHtxXNkNmWVxD.atSK218xe.HoCmXcbbYSFZ4TdTLZz4qizftx1pUZlp9I5dOp_7hHMgtKWoBF6zuxYus98Yeowldr6rfSkgNp2duRgzEKYk_TCETCRcYiuSgwSm4D0bKTKVZNdndoKRTWUJZwHEneoJZm0LUtQ1RmVw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812031039y67371ad4nb719dbc53543a465@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <401332.69978.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6oHXnC.A.T-.nWxNJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the problem is not only the firebox but mobius which is only able to sum up all outputs into a single stereo port,in other words i cannot connect all instruments into the soundcard and record with them in any track i want.Which means if my mic is plugged into input 1 the it will only get recorded into tracks 1 and 2 of mobius but not the rest.The RME however can be configured to asign all outputs to one port so that way i could connect all instruments straight into the soundcard and record into any track in mobius(like a patchbay),but like i said i still need the eqs,reverb etc.if i wanted to go purely software.Which left me no other option but to go into my mackie mixer first and then take its stereo outputs into the soundcard and then out to the speakers. Luis > > I'm somewhat surprised about your comment about the > firebox - using > the ASIO drivers, I could always address the outputs > individually from > my host application (although I've never tried that > with Mobius, but > it sure works with Live). > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 3 23:53:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F5B3BEBA; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UtANaEMZqT071olTJrnHS+onZpWxM8kK6YzJJjsYlsHex3SxRxVXB/UEPizfMaOaIwCUn4HdQxsPa1TLFSwao4hcwFu8HMeEIJhsOE2jNOQvmdVI/+CsAJzPRbPPgWgc586Fmn1OaBCSQHP4YkOs3RlICOoq04rpoamaHFDyz/8=; X-YMail-OSG: ThNrFjoVM1n9EoNvOW9EW._9EV80TIMrEvqk3ZLWhpf2xk8FTZxoaV2KRi0RHYtckiuotiO42R67CjlgifFKfX3yDpjnKxMkoITcW7zejQe3u2Bz9uh09GJM9zvtct0TIcgWMP7vCqKQaeadYn3kNaEUXT0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:53:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081203213521.223020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <139690.63432.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:53:08 +0000 (UTC) shit man looks like this is it!!!! any comments on it,reviews?how good are the drivers?latency with mobius? ef= x quality? easy use?could its software mixer be controlled by a midi contro= ller like the behringer BCR2000?is there a manual to download? wow man thanx for the tip!!!! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:35 PM > Hi Luis >=20 > > i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going > to ask if i could > > route the soundcard with mobius through a software > reverb efx plugin or > > something instead of returning it back to my hardware > mixer to get that post > > reverb,how could this be done? > Well, I'm still stomping on my RC-50, mostly. So, I > guess other people can give you more hints on the software > side (let me guess: i.e. someone could suggest Bidule+free > VST plugins on Windows or MainStage on Mac / while someone > else also would mention that you might as well build > whatever you need with MAX/MSP... ;-) >=20 > Have you actually also considered the Motu Ultralite Mk3 as > Firewire alternative? For 550,- EUR you get ca. 10 in/outs > with built-in hardware Reverbs, EQ and Compression. You > should give it a look! > http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3 >=20 > best regards & good luck in the software world > Buzap >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sensationsangebot verl=E4ngert: GMX FreeDSL - > Telefonanschluss + DSL=20 > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 00:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6984D3BEC5; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UOvhpn/cx6fLsRUnUqTuVMsdQkyjEwIzCTTjkvfa2L44HJVaWxruV0YrHWuMgI0guogwT1jTwoVf1+VDs+MWsEa7W0NPXTkDIuhkOd0BpuBg9juC8z+fGG4KqKsFEwZs1WPc3UUdYKU4GEQIaUBuoSRBc2zRuhSHt1SBFdkZ/9U=; X-YMail-OSG: tUFKbuoVM1lUQuG4MOiFdu37_w3aZWmjuKZcoT1UaqwM1R9O31gh1KWDXj6Hm.8SdaS688N96KnLxRfkfmOThi32pi8hTi78F2m9VXyPcbD5ewH8O63Pkcu0cx6DWh4ZYi3LPzFk7op9xRKsCyyVT41jyaTt5_5alM4.vvw_ZhcFltDHcfmkm.Lq2fHzjg8sVipcA2BZ8KEd0Gg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081203103515.c71b480zk0s4wow8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <743498.21141.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanx kevin,yes this is the way ive always routed my EDps with a hardware mixer,aux send to edp and out to a channel.Actually this is the way i cnnected my soundcard right away as soon as i got it but i was getting weird oscilating and noise results and i figured out it was because i had to turn all the faders down the software mixer,in other words i was using 2 mixers at the same time.It sounds great now! However i am still not completely satisfied because there is a soundcard to connect,a hardware mixer and a laptop to worry about,compared to my hardware setup i still dont see many advantages to this(setup time wise) except for the felxiblity of mobius and software/soundcard pristine sound quality. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 12/3/08, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:35 AM > Forgot to mention: > > Make sure the button on the "Stereo Graphic EQ" > strip is in the "UP" (Main Mix) position. > > Also, on the FX section, make sure the FX to MON pot is all > the way to the left. > > The bottom line: make sure all of your MON send pots are > all the way to the left except for the strips that you want > to send to your laptop looper. > > -- Kevin > > Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > > > Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want > you would need to > > configure your looper (in this case, your > laptop/Mobius system) as a > > SEND EFFECT. > > > > The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends. > > > > Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send > is already tied > > up, so that leaves the MON send. > > > > For your return (I assume you want a stereo return) > use either your > > 9/10 or 11/12 strip. This will allow you to send your > laptop's output > > to the FX buss. Be sure that your MON send is turned > down -- else you > > will get feedback. Also, make sure that the FX to MON > pot is turned > > down else you'll get feedback. > > > > Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to > return send effects. > > Also, the ST return can be used as two additional > mixer inputs > > (although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning, > or sends). > > > > The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers. > > > > Hope this helps :) > > > > -- Kevin > > > > Thus, you would hook > > > > > > Quoting "L.Angulo" > : > > > >> Hi loopers, > >> i have different instruments plugged in to my > compact pro fx8 mackie mixer then i go stereo out of the > mixer into my soundcard and from there straight into the > speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight into my > macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i puse my > loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no > post proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of > my mixers eqs and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of > the soundcard before it goes into the speakers. > >> What would be the most effective way to route > this,is it possible to bring back the outs of the > soundcard back into the mixer without creating feedback? > >> my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is > the specs: > >> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ > >> thanx for your tips! > >> Luis > >> > >> > >> > >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 00:12:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D40B3BEA6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MZJlg1Bfuulk3jutbHM18Ba1p0R9n9JDpFcHPMISrAEydr4/VKT8qrOFuVSzPFd5Jk/dWi1yKc1qoS7YXFqjbMLFj5BDWnCHZB+/sKdvt4WHcDMR+RPjQbDYo45xXu89bPUJPPkI9Jg23WRdHjkS6V++vRSsIWUvkDRDjDBAwEY=; X-YMail-OSG: KggX07AVM1kJvUoqiULzfMaCwVHprV81PnKPEhliGlDv9gaRfPKEJuNKqENSJfMsOEo5IXsavzGv8URsyiG29OvFV9CvB5RepEb8E4we3KxtEOG0hjwiMb7.rROGP6u5MPxUn63oxU8FIm84Vz79dsB1Orc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <268010.76865.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:12:21 +0000 (UTC) i use that one all the time,in fact used it in this tune: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/livelooping/videos/2376974 a cool variation of it is tuning down the A to G for that x-tra drone effect Luis > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap > wrote: > > > > > Excellent link with sound examples! > > > > My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is > Low C: > > C G D G A D > > > > So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the > bottom. > > In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite > starting point because From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 00:40:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C9B3BEC1; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 944401.50395.bm@omp408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Oi+uGYqMpbnaLNZbOrmhReSmLZvT8wlrHz55QVUnmS0RSUfj1Ha8qiqO18ERP7xVg+A+cIVTFfaNEqHuCEK5DEvuOwjsMEC5smMVnD7TwO6X20o1MZBALrK1XR18yTmXbqGs8/xuiMKcEV2+Ym5v6DvhEuMJ+Y4roCl5gwrOXSc=; X-YMail-OSG: 601gA_MVM1nIqWKz2KXraJ4pk56VuVO8w78.m6euHYTK4MZlWCVgSby6HlM_BpzQrRz2vcBqV_FhCs3Lix7WGAG.TttysozUu1p3_p8P9oRF9QyhCeKzgQH0Y3nOQN00SCgrkWdi6xvO54ElhNGEbnk4qWVH3.UMH8tv_zNipTDDWzckQoolOgw4pSgc X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <730689.25393.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, I use diggidygad (DGDGAD) so much of the time; CGDGAD's only one tweak away... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days. It seems > to pop up in many interviews in the last few years. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 03:23:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B403BEA6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C9557C.AE830EA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclVv7l+0eEYym7BTI262A4rE2hjDg== Resent-Message-ID: <_TvsQ.A.ug.M10NJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:23:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C9557C.AE830EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A precise estimation???? better break out the real time analyzer. I can tell you that the Gordius is quieter Behringer but at a different frequency. The Behringer has a kind of hollow and a slightly lower frequency and there can be a creakiness to the sound of the pedals spring over time as well as slight transformer noise. The Gordius has a slight click if you press normally, and virtually no click if you press very lightly, which as Andy pointed out, most people don't do, as most of us probably hit our foot pedals harder than we need to, particularly when creating rhythmic loops. The Gordius is quieter than the footswitches on a line 6 DL-4 and the M-13, and quieter than Roland switches such as their FS-5U momentary switches and their loop pedals. Part of the issue is how the midi foot controller itself can contribute to the noise. A typical MFC is a metal box, essentially a resonant chamber that will amplify any mechanical noise. Springs, which all of the midi foot controllers I'm aware of have, also contribute to the mechanical noise. Then there are relays which also have a bit of mechanical noise that a metal chassis will amplify a bit. Perhaps some strategic placement of foam inside of a MFC might dampen some of the mechanical noise. I've never tried that I assume you are trying to start you loops with open mics present, Rainer? In a live situation the noise is negligible. In the studio, with sensitive mics present, you might get a little bit of mechanical noise but I don't think it would be significant. I did have a bit of trouble with the Gordius at first as, Luis was so kind to point out :-). I also had trouble with the manual for the FCB1010 when I first got it. Unlike the Behringer however, Xavier at Gordius really helped me get going and understand the architecture. I go to the Behringer customer service web site if I want to have an exercise in futility or listen to Muzak for several minutes. I like the fact that with the little Giant, each bank can have 12 presets if I assign the two aux switch jacks on the back to control extra looper functions. I use two FS-5U switches and two EV-5 expression pedals which I have globally set to volume and feedback. I'm really happy with the Gordius. The footswitch buttons are a little close together but I have gotten used to that after having to reach further on an FCB1010. Actually its made looping while playing lap steel easier because I don't have to reach out so far with my feet. Pound for pound, the best MFC on the planet IMHO. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C9557C.AE830EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences

A precise estimation???? better break out the real = time = analyzer I can tell you that = the Gordius = is quieter Behringer but at a different frequency.  The Behringer has a kind of hollow and a slightly lower frequency and there can be = a creakiness to the sound of the pedals spring over = time as well as slight transformer = noise.  = The Gordius has a slight  click if you press = normally, and virtually no click if you press very lightly, which as Andy pointed = out, most people dont do, as most of us = probably hit our foot pedals harder than we need to, particularly when creating rhythmic loops. = The Gordius is quieter than the = footswitches on a line 6  DL-4 and the = M-13, and quieter = than = Roland switches  such as their FS-5U momentary switches and their loop = pedals. Part of the issue is how = the midi foot controller itself can contribute to the noise. A typical MFC is a metal = box, = essentially a resonant chamber that = will amplify any mechanical noise.  Springs, which all of the midi foot = controllers Im aware of have, also contribute to the mechanical noise. = Then there are relays which also have a bit of mechanical noise that a = metal = chassis will amplify a = bit.  Perhaps some = strategic placement of foam inside of a MFC might dampen some of the = mechanical noise.  Ive never tried that

 I assume you are trying to start you loops = with open mics present, Rainer?  In a live situation the noise is negligible. In the = studio,  with sensitive mics present, you might get a little bit = of mechanical noise  but I dont think it would be significant.  I did have a bit of trouble with the Gordius at first = as,  Luis was so kind to = point out J. I also had trouble with = the manual for the FCB1010 when I first got it. Unlike = the Behringer however, Xavier = at Gordius really helped me get = going and understand the architecture.  I go to the Behringer customer service web site  = if I want to have an exercise = in futility or listen to Muzak for several minutes.  I like the fact that = with the little Giant, each bank can have 12 presets if I assign the two = aux switch jacks on the back to control extra looper functions. I use = two FS-5U switches and two EV-5 expression pedals which I have globally set to volume and = feedback. Im really happy with the = Gordius. The footswitch buttons are a little close together but I have gotten = used to that after having to reach further on an = FCB1010. Actually its made looping = while playing lap steel easier because I dont have to reach out so far = with my feet. Pound for pound, the best = MFC on the planet IMHO.

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C9557C.AE830EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 03:51:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310763BEBA; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <60036.72.22.1228362707.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:51:47 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Great stuff Per, I would love to see how you do that live. Any chance of including Barbados on your next tour? On Wed, December 3, 2008 5:30 pm, Per Boysen wrote: > If anyone's is in the mood for listening I just posted a looping heavy > song here: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > >>"The Yogi and the Commissar" >> >> About the song: >> I wanted to give my three sexiest instruments three minutes to make out >> on the web. >> They took three fifty three. >> >> Equipment: >> Alto Flute, Tenor Sax, Stratocaster Electric Guitar, >> Electric Wind Controller (EWI 9000s), >> Mobius looping software, >> Logic Pro recording software. > > I had a problem finding a proper style tag and finally settled for "jazz". > > Per > > Andre Donawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 04:59:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7093BEBA; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493763BC.2010902@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:59:40 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:59:42 +0000 (UTC) My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for many more down below: I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string fretted or fretless bass. This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and lends itself to really simple sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes. I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last year. I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this tuning D A D E D D This gives a full 8 strings of D so the open tuning stuff just sounds like a shimmering god. It's just beautiful...................... I'm not a guitarist , but I play one on stage occasionally, by the way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by any stretch of the imagination, but I love the though of using the guitar as almost an open tuned Zither. I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D open tuned guitar on a tune. I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called Weird Guitar (for people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative 'out of the box' ways) and Weird Zither (for people doing the same thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check out. *********** *********** I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour with the wonderful Alternate Tuning guru, Britain's Martin Simpson for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things. He has a theory that there are five basic simple chord shapes and that, once learned, can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings for a guitar to produce really beautiful results. I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings and this book/DVD package called *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS* http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415 Additionally, I've enjoyed these books excellent books by Mark Hanson *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS *(one of those cool , fit in the guitar case slender books) and his larger *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark Hanson and a very cool picture chord book: *ALTERNATE TUNINGS PICTURE CHORDS* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 05:31:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64CD23BEC2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228368717; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=/xAppnt1zaGemVMKSkj6OU/H5ak=; b=Q2uT5OjxjGsx/QVPD9GhSaQPf+zupZ/hfPgxMjPJbSUdyjJ8LrFFajwjghY+1mS+ /CPQq4tuNGFgdZLkspz2R4ojdWBigKQzYSgvu6bQCNSJTyVKfkyvsC4Yr8xaYKCY; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aOJQyK3ix-UA:10 a=owJb5sxAAAAA:8 a=Uy6y2-kGAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=5P9isR1xNiVjCP5KnYUA:9 a=8nwc6D8qpYyDMLuZceAA:7 a=2y22tn4xuLmpkpCd1jfyw2Z4facA:4 a=xlFEUnP2xB5xcVXr0Udx6XVty70=:19 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <493763BC.2010902@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:31:58 +0000 (UTC) I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used it alot on Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a Perfect Pair . Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for many more down > below: > > I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string fretted or fretless bass. > > This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and lends itself to > really simple > sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes. > > I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last year. > > I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this tuning > > D A D E D D > > This gives a full 8 strings of D so the open tuning stuff just sounds > like a shimmering > god. It's just beautiful...................... > > I'm not a guitarist , but I play one on stage occasionally, by the > way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by any stretch > of the imagination, but I love the though of using the guitar as > almost an open tuned Zither. > > I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D open tuned guitar on a > tune. > > I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called Weird Guitar (for > people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative > 'out of the box' ways) and Weird Zither (for people doing the same > thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread > on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check out. > > *********** > *********** > > I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour with the wonderful > Alternate Tuning guru, Britain's Martin Simpson > for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things. He has a theory > that there are five basic simple chord shapes and that, once learned, > can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings for a guitar to > produce really beautiful results. > > I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings > and this book/DVD package called > *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS* > http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415 > > Additionally, I've enjoyed these books excellent books by Mark Hanson > *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS *(one of those cool , fit in > the guitar case slender books) > and his larger > *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark Hanson > and a very cool picture chord book: > *ALTERNATE TUNINGS PICTURE CHORDS* > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 12/3/2008 9:34 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 06:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFD823BEC2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <493763BC.2010902@cruzio.com> <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:00:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <5sb1GD.A.Dp.6H3NJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Anyone ever tried this for looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 06:01:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E96E3BEC9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <860B66CF3CCF4C5DA6C132BA60C3A104@MichaelPC> From: To: Subject: High tech tapping Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:01:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Anyone ever tried this for looping? http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 06:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9063BEC5; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081204065447271.422857000084@mwinf2b07.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <3345ce92e3fa1788dbf340102f5d8912@laposte.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-958383496 From: o.malhomme@laposte.net Subject: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:54:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:54:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-958383496 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My primary source of experiment is... Joni Mitchell. My regular tuning is std tuning down to C because I have a baritone. But since I worked with a VG8 and now with a VG99, the machine has been a place to experiment tuning wise. I have a soft spot for the california kitchen tuning and for the Hejira tuning... Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-1-958383496 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida GrandeMy primary source of experiment is... Joni Mitchell. My regular tuning is std tuning down to C because I have a baritone. But since I worked with a VG8 and now with a VG99, the machine has been a place to experiment tuning wise. I have a soft spot for the california kitchen tuning and for the Hejira tuning... Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-1-958383496-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 07:45:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B993BEC5; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=q+rgyxZXbUfaBmijAoyNpJM2vxHskU3V49LLgMAj1Ns=; b=uB/9UdgvhG5ysZniiJGABWYN05544NjuVCv3oOzVOuYyoSiIoYSGJTTFd6I/YLgV/1 V65mIhGh8wjcz4DItt+JBIn1bKAPQhP3RC40v9gKCJomdB7m1DSfsRuB7JhbBe6aIVn0 ChrLTDEn6GcRNRsN0N4h2E5YSF4x+p2RG+3s4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bfKb9VkFQcEnBIrko62UWuQesSaMKBACUyQ1WbLjiTVvOFQhS4NIHtPmGOsuyMvfeE ER+TAtcecZv5QX1PnGTUwm8IAr7pEGa0+70eD4LG4FcHByHdtujuPQWDAvrvYwuRI6aA AeIRUkIYO1XgMDP2aMw5xJ98JjC9nGmr2lVz0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812032345o774184f4icf68471698fc2c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:45:48 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing In-Reply-To: <743498.21141.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081203103515.c71b480zk0s4wow8@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <743498.21141.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Hi loopers, >> >> i have different instruments plugged in to my >> compact pro fx8 mackie mixer then i go stereo out of the >> mixer into my soundcard and from there straight into the >> speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight into my >> macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i pause my >> loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no >> post proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of >> my mixers eqs and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of >> the soundcard before it goes into the speakers. >> >> What would be the most effective way to route >> this,is it possible to bring back the outs of the >> soundcard back into the mixer without creating feedback? Use another two channels on the mixer to take the soundcard output as their inputs and insert some reverb. Just make sure those two channels are routed to the speaker and not back into the soundcard's input, because that would create some horrible feedback. I use the same kind of rig, ie no post loop processing. However I play my instruments through reverb, pre looper, and I would never do like you are saying: simply pausing my loops. The way I do it is to play something on my instrument as I pause my loops - in order to have the reverb treated live sound mask the dry loop ending (loops are not "dry" though, since lots of reverb are recorded as part of the loops, but that even makes it sound more odd when you simply mute them without covering up on the live instrument) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 07:58:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC41F3BECC; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=6x6mYEreRDkV8OXHO96KQaUj6dIJu7w8sRZDLiH5i0g=; b=F5dMZjoW4xyZi4vKKF5ob8UBkLUUlT8LjeH79RCIKUIBxh0N4Cb2Q95IRQsiJBchyo kZrmRwfdy+cmgf8eNOR5OamFHFc2WsNwpSlICCSfYzroF4s0sLlCY51lP8Xq6xCbAo+Y BcB5fh0TN0RhZL5e8sMS39ntG2PLo15rZ1OKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KTlyWKwPPXnTdrxaxwvv1VYH0zut4z3xCXA0udTbywG71FwZUZHiGxAjRmRv/GjJJY pj+JV+DEi7T4XmDtzQUrkZG2fhjw3q1h0NdxAknS9ePFf5WmuBd5M7RRr8J+1j9ekWHR CmSsZqtRXsjxTfnUxrcsv+2LH9/InPNR4JYNk= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812032358i5a6e01edm494f024c6f31827e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:58:45 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: High tech tapping In-Reply-To: <860B66CF3CCF4C5DA6C132BA60C3A104@MichaelPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26574_21121006.1228377525629" References: <860B66CF3CCF4C5DA6C132BA60C3A104@MichaelPC> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8652eb361a775804 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:58:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26574_21121006.1228377525629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I couldnt see that it was an actual product... isnt this a product designers ideas portfolio? Looks nice thought, bet you could make one with a few sensors / pietzos and whatnots... might have a go tonight... I think I have a lonely single glove somewhere... :-) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:01 AM, wrote: > Anyone ever tried this for looping? > http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_26574_21121006.1228377525629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I couldnt see that it was an actual product... isnt this a product designers ideas portfolio? Looks nice thought, bet you could make one with a few sensors / pietzos and whatnots... might have a go tonight... I think I have a lonely single glove somewhere... :-)
 
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:01 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
Anyone ever tried this for looping?
http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco




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------=_Part_26574_21121006.1228377525629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:16:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBB73BECD; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZMeolajqMdvFNCUAL4MkQN6qv3KO9UDC3TX4fKBtNRA=; b=dddHvDjl9cAVMvILraDx3lf/CG0ZbBLc74j7F87pB4sGzoXe4zjWOKOXvPAYNtMPtN njQvkcWgDqGNXk7YU75P5nVBD8tarVXvM/GnEyJ4GqKHvernZFDvarh4Ds57WbmJcEz8 Qt2t5FJWGeTxAR1CCbi5lTV+yD3I/eD/jvqxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qRtdLTPKxRsakodYZKCiChfppCn1ohRZkhQLhdOe6HV3k1NpS+yfq7vy1CTn0e1r9h C6wHI2D+Sk1GpUR5/vIed5RxaoP/p3w//xIdzMrSuelpnhxb0mTODt17XPHRVxpgTyCN hXOSfOVhs5hY+CNuo1QH+iaAqXh528lo+GC94= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812040016x11bf116clef4ca82425f82aa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:16:33 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" In-Reply-To: <60036.72.22.1228362707.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> <60036.72.22.1228362707.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:16:33 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Andr=E9 Donawa wrot= e: > Great stuff Per, > I would love to see how you do that live. Looping that music live would exclude the non-vocal percussion though, unless I play together with a drummer. And you wouldn't hear all three melody instruments right from the beginning, since I would have to play them one after the other into a four minute loop. When making that recording I performed the flute/voc looping first and had it saved to overdub the sax and guitar take. You can't expect listeners to sit around waiting for eight minutes before the third instruments comes around ;-)) > Any chance of including Barbados on your next tour? He, he... next gig happens april 8 on the Swedish west coast. Not sure I will be able to extend that "tour" to Barbados, even though I'd love doing that ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:27:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C7B63BECF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VoYZRVAwxQyPARfDDf0imQ+OGXQHsBchFBaMliMDKtubkpgcJMT0dGhvnFnT9XdzEoul2SRsg2YgPBFiTw4/L9jbI9FYS4txHo5y7owLPdQ+uVFpoNOhEaf319aL0RSpRhS4FC/VmS0DRzNiWw3mrnP+9j9Zg+2zVH2DlKKYlv0=; X-YMail-OSG: DGtoQGMVM1mB5Tr4XwBelN817BdU5COgovExMSUIiXhNvmkwU1YAPqsF4cX5irnkrYV3EK1msw4ClKpOfFTD9wcg95y2SN8.CvBQ.eepbx3QzLAWOLTRTl3Cra8P4sjfl5z1U4qMj_URSCPVkKm2tBWLlwM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812032345o774184f4icf68471698fc2c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <233079.13876.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:27:53 +0000 (UTC) sometimes i like to increase the reverb very high while an agressive loop is going,pause the loop abruptly and while the reverb is trailing off fade in something else,yes sometimes i like that mechanical angular feel when you have every other instrument treated with reverb and you pause it abruptly and the retrigger it nice effect! i dint use many efx for the acoustic other than a couple of stomps,delay octave and boost,i an content with the mackies complementary eq and reverb. Luis > I use the same kind of rig, ie no post loop processing. > However I play > my instruments through reverb, pre looper, and I would > never do like > you are saying: simply pausing my loops. The way I do it is > to play > something on my instrument as I pause my loops - in order > to have the > reverb treated live sound mask the dry loop ending (loops > are not > "dry" though, since lots of reverb are recorded > as part of the loops, > but that even makes it sound more odd when you simply mute > them > without covering up on the live instrument) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:33:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23FEF3BED6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=FbC6JSwDR885lew3n2ctU94kgpary5SU4rlCLT0fbzFookUWrLb8/oS/++9P7vbvjtYYwKrtZ0DKoLm5D+jAHWfEqpHPU5BTA+WPUzsR1M+9Zlmglyg1AXxvwsd+WQ9xvh5jANYzyx0rvVYnASHARVRHqwGXkCHkphP6eWyJ0AM=; X-YMail-OSG: engBqa0VM1kNYbFtTzkGXRa.804oMXMn2R9HLvUt2JMbjSf0X.jYxB1oPeOEffKQnaUEtCsHBQdGtBbLuOkb80zqBPHqPlExVGiDqDw6YDNa.vcYB6__ketxwbMawm0ZqnCSBP4r9Qh6vAABHjmksGsce9J_QQ4SGJi2EyxJ.LREsPp0vjluNo8eGgU_yXFkaJi9g9yxq2HOYpI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:33:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:33:37 +0000 (UTC) yeah! he said he is content with that one and his low budget one EADABE www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jeff Duke wrote: > From: Jeff Duke > Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:31 PM > I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used > it alot on > Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a > Perfect Pair . > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > > > > My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for > many more down > > below: > > > > I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string > fretted or fretless bass. > > > > This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and > lends itself to > > really simple > > sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes. > > > > I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last > year. > > > > I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this > tuning > > > > D A D E D D > > > > This gives a full 8 strings of D so the open tuning > stuff just sounds > > like a shimmering > > god. It's just beautiful...................... > > > > I'm not a guitarist , but I play one on stage > occasionally, by the > > way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by > any stretch > > of the imagination, but I love the though of using > the guitar as > > almost an open tuned Zither. > > > > I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D open > tuned guitar on a > > tune. > > > > I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called > Weird Guitar (for > > people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative > > 'out of the box' ways) and Weird Zither > (for people doing the same > > thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread > > on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check > out. > > > > *********** > > *********** > > > > I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour > with the wonderful > > Alternate Tuning guru, Britain's Martin Simpson > > for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things. > He has a theory > > that there are five basic simple chord shapes and > that, once learned, > > can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings > for a guitar to > > produce really beautiful results. > > > > I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings > > and this book/DVD package called > > *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS* > > > http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415 > > > > Additionally, I've enjoyed these books excellent > books by Mark Hanson > > *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS *(one of > those cool , fit in > > the guitar case slender books) > > and his larger > > *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark > Hanson > > and a very cool picture chord book: > > *ALTERNATE TUNINGS PICTURE CHORDS* > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release > Date: 12/3/2008 > 9:34 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:49:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559943BED6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tY0u6+lveF9IhOgt+f4hZnNjghxl4/JH7t9cxMysUHc=; b=KtsGpqdppyEdToR3yr8SsXyTXm2ghgp0PmXaQaXlWka4ZL77jbhKSvLbBUnz+FsmGu 1CkZ8G6joThSvQ+1vRjkv11neb9xqB26m095DUDuOOA8Hzaeb8mZwVp0foY8/0k3Fhau oaymN8oX1lNdvNguBUE65qU6xhba4AtqlWsEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=k7sD72gICgdKa/u3+tbitr8jN2SQ8Dacd6tnsnq6tv2duiCCjoTQoJk5AzCzBi/BE3 eN+4T5699fMDUU5M9XBnQWA0mMjueC3SlCdCBj4MBye/oY3moKTZflA/L6lbvX+3Mia0 8FnOqQ6GUs/3uDU8DIHwI3Cz+qtx2zOXtfUhY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812040049k3de3df95rf7d10da02ee3f529@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:49:08 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing In-Reply-To: <233079.13876.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812032345o774184f4icf68471698fc2c0@mail.gmail.com> <233079.13876.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:49:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:27 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > sometimes i like to increase the reverb very high while an agressive loop is > going,pause the loop abruptly and while the reverb is trailing off fade in something else, Yes, that's a nice trick! I tend to like dub style tape delay loops as well. Not using it for loops now, since I'm limited to Mobius standalone version, but I have set up some such effect chains in MainStage. But I can't get loops into that effect machinery, just the live sound. If ever there will be an AU version of Mobius I'd like to build a rig in Bidule that has these kind of trippy effect chains as an option for every loop track output (as well as for my instrument input). I will not use reverb at all in that setup, rather "tape delay faking reverb" (which I'm starting to like better in some ways) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 08:57:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6153BEDC; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8XTtaOu5Ur1kPXG10YmA//bkqh+V1HRqrX+WwAjLWuE=; b=tWauXwjXAvf0DdauX7mJ4lvDquxr6ADEOB7RbBcwl9psfgu7JzYJ8l++aUq9z6Al0D pnJHds2+Ew1YyOWHrsfiq87xKxan19cfASlpvGyEcALLaobAxytwkuGyEkBBXXWkqpo1 IEEumwaP+CCQlldOfO1S0r3O6mGpGlL57MVtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KNEeSBrRtWtzmY8nNaM9UHUIAvy2j74LVdR2PFBtl0Cz4qo8UAxfmyltGmmyMKwwxz p3zGbiQ9Ov43y2P/GvlyvYjA0MUcbncpCUEcT8RV+GvvKOa9U3rNg0lDxExpXrB1wdSK o5UdxUKCxDGmEVc2V7bwVZKgt5b4+fcTwiWsc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:57:38 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, this is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those too bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush! per From test@omegadirective.de Thu Dec 4 11:04:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 132285 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:04:06 UTC Received: from omegadirective.de (omegadirective.de [88.198.45.181]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB533BECF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:27:02 +0100 Subject: Dear customer , Envelope-To: loook_for_me_187@hotmail.com,loop.troop@yahoo.com,loop301@yahoo.com,loop4343@aol.com,looparc@arsenic.violacea.com,looparc@loopers-delight.com,loopdecarp@aol.com,loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com,loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com,loopers-delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com,loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com,loopers-deswitlight@loopers-delight.com,loopie@dalton.net,loopmonkey1@aol.com,loopmonkey1@yahoo.com,looppool@cruzio.com,loopyyarns@sbcglobal.net,loorbost@aol.com,looree426@yahoo.com,loos@univision.com,loosa26@swbell.net,loosebruce77@yahoo.com,loosebunch@arczip.com,loosecannon310@yahoo.com,loosecanoon@yahoo.com,loosecolt@earthlink.net,looseconnection@chartermi.net,looseefur@yahoo.com,looselipps2@aol.com,loosemoose813@aol.com,loosemoosedesigns@blackfoot.net,looser987@cheatcc.com,loosescrewstap@yahoo.com,loosethreadfilms@yahoo.com,looseyourself265@yahoo.com,looslemk@sisna.com,loostman@tutortime.com,lop@unitelc.com,lop506@aol.com,lop8308@yahoo.com Message-ID: <0000025235@omegadirective.de> From: "test" Organization: Omega Directive Received: from (66.197.199.197 [66.197.199.197]) by omegadirective.de; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:30:01 +0100 Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Capital One Bank customer, We recently reviewed your account, and suspect that your Capital One Online Banking account may have been accessed from an unauthorized computer. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 11:16:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A523C3BED2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:16:52 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Btw: the idea about the Motu ultralite-mk3 is good one, that seems a flex= ible and good audio card. I can get a Sound On Sound review if you want, = just let me know. Always fun to talk about designing flexible looping rigs! I would expect = that what Luis wants should be possible but it=92s seems not so easy. I=92= ve been investigating a 100% software rig too but correct me if I=92m wro= ng, the problem has been and seems to be a flexible integration of the mi= xer, looper (pre/post FX) and the routing to the audio card. Plus I would= like to see it working with a low CPU soft synth in a Mainstage like arc= hitecture. It would be fantastic to have something like this all in a sma= ll laptop. Imo, a disadvantage of this type of configurations is that you= first have to invest a big amount of money before you can start trying i= t out without being sure it=92s going to work. But things are constantly = improving so I=92m watching these threads closely. An alternative combo I=92m personally thinking of is the LP1, Line 6 M13 = + a MFC. Yes, it=92s hardware but the combined specs look very promising.= The M13 has stereo FX send/returns and you can put your own external dev= ice (eg EDP or LP1) anywhere in the FX chain of the M13. So something lik= e pre-fx 1,2,3 =3D> looper =3D> post-fx or pre-fx 1,2,3,4 =3D> looper is all be possible. By using the M13 scenes (setups) you can change the s= tomp box + FX send/return setup on the fly. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 12:37:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A82F3BED9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228394229; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=zf6pOmiMrGo83X9UhNrmimP/qlg=; b=dQQcKEAwHOnmaKJS6QZ33JFTix6MF82QHugknzw4YXBi09uAbKbS40ejYLduFb94 Wk/D6MxYmZvoUsVc/3OyMfZdtABdvzMnHzGBdHrdf3rQmZeV4ytSxmTMqTJywA+9; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aOJQyK3ix-UA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=owJb5sxAAAAA:8 a=Uy6y2-kGAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=EGOCxotNctk6RyJI7QAA:9 a=jch6sw-Hf6t55i8AU90A:7 a=qXTjx8ZIzy0OXHe4RfIR6MWaMq0A:4 a=xlFEUnP2xB5xcVXr0Udx6XVty70=:19 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=zp32dUusXW0A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003d01c9560d$065dbd60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:37:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:37:10 +0000 (UTC) right Louis, That was in response to Robert Fripps NST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Standard_Tuning When KC reformed after Fripp had changed. he was described as grimacing from learning all the old stuff in NST. It's amazing that after changing tunings RF still sounded exactly like RF.... His students The California Guitar Trio also use the New Standard tuning with great results J http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > yeah! he said he is content with that one and his low budget one > EADABE > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> From: Jeff Duke >> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:31 PM >> I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used >> it alot on >> Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a >> Perfect Pair . >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Walker" >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:59 PM >> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) >> >> >> > My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for >> many more down >> > below: >> > >> > I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string >> fretted or fretless bass. >> > >> > This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and >> lends itself to >> > really simple >> > sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes. >> > >> > I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last >> year. >> > >> > I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this >> tuning >> > >> > D A D E D D >> > >> > This gives a full 8 strings of D so the open tuning >> stuff just sounds >> > like a shimmering >> > god. It's just beautiful...................... >> > >> > I'm not a guitarist , but I play one on stage >> occasionally, by the >> > way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by >> any stretch >> > of the imagination, but I love the though of using >> the guitar as >> > almost an open tuned Zither. >> > >> > I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D open >> tuned guitar on a >> > tune. >> > >> > I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called >> Weird Guitar (for >> > people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative >> > 'out of the box' ways) and Weird Zither >> (for people doing the same >> > thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread >> > on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check >> out. >> > >> > *********** >> > *********** >> > >> > I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour >> with the wonderful >> > Alternate Tuning guru, Britain's Martin Simpson >> > for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things. >> He has a theory >> > that there are five basic simple chord shapes and >> that, once learned, >> > can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings >> for a guitar to >> > produce really beautiful results. >> > >> > I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings >> > and this book/DVD package called >> > *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS* >> > >> http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415 >> > >> > Additionally, I've enjoyed these books excellent >> books by Mark Hanson >> > *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS *(one of >> those cool , fit in >> > the guitar case slender books) >> > and his larger >> > *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark >> Hanson >> > and a very cool picture chord book: >> > *ALTERNATE TUNINGS PICTURE CHORDS* >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release >> Date: 12/3/2008 >> 9:34 AM > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1828 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 8:05 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 13:02:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1598F3BEDA; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018c01c95610$996e7bf0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: OT : viol guitar Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:02:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0189_01C95621.5CBEAFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <_Be3GC.A.VQH.4T9NJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:02:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C95621.5CBEAFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i will be in USA in march, in california and NY. i plan to buy a togaman violguitar ( electric model ) handmade in LA. i = plan to use this new instrument on future ECM recordings and such. has = anyone played this instrument? what are your thoughts about it? here is = the link for it. http://www.togamanguitars.com/guitarviols/index.php also would you recommend any other violguitar models, brands that i = should check out before i make my final decision about which one to buy? = i can pay as much as 4000$. thanks a lot as always. best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C95621.5CBEAFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
 
i will be in USA in march, in california and NY.
 
i plan to buy a togaman violguitar ( electric model ) handmade = in LA.=20 i plan to use this new instrument on future ECM recordings and such. has = anyone played this instrument? what are your thoughts about it? = here is the=20 link for it.
 
http://www.t= ogamanguitars.com/guitarviols/index.php
 
also would you recommend any other violguitar models, brands that i = should=20 check out before i make my final decision about which one to buy? i = can pay=20 as much as 4000$.
 
thanks a lot as always. best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
*=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is = out on New=20 Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
www.newalbion.co= m/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A= /sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF= 8
------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C95621.5CBEAFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 13:57:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7193BEDE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=2YatNLVjIzj+MYY7Oa2U1aNnyaSLguF/AYX0Z9npyBU=; b=v2JtBeQRQZ+tykMLpS525IV4mBplFVPFGyBSpoJqt2Twnct3HdYDSwpvgtRrlC3dRF kZTWS61FzoWJ+tCS+ifZynDRiHYnnG1tYO4MnaPMNNHvnUHSJ5cE3Xn331OnYeIFF68C I82dnYm54azTfXzlMwctpxqQrGVph0OBTHajA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IqiqsYxbfHE8p+d1hclOk0G887UuSIIFWJ15ZRu8wLt15TnqxaHFaYKs45crREFmzj 0Cr9CottxfkpGicZ7mDk4KHnBZ07Dx7S8Rr/Y5jUn3ss7xPrFXsKYbEoT26mu/ysoVyz a3UO5LEmBJMQroTCpFsOMcQmD7ljAApjhdImM= Message-ID: <71eda9170812040557o328a4f9era63a7e3a5dbaca87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:57:52 +0100 From: "Giovanni De Sisto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It does not work! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4864_33443598.1228399072702" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:57:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4864_33443598.1228399072702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone! I'm an italian guitar player. I've got a Boss RC-50 Loop Station since 2006. As the title, i've a problem with this. Follow me: 1. I record a pharse(4/4 120 btm) on pedal phrase one on patch one. 2. I save recorded phrase on patch one 3. I copy patch one into patch two. 4. Both patch are setting on "Loop End" mode (When a switch in patches or the current phrase is carried out, recording or playback of the next designated patch or phrase begins once the end of the current phrase (length of the current loop when Loop Sync is on in Multi mode) is reached). 5. I start playng path one. 6. I select patch two with the knob (or pedals, there is no difference). 7. When patch one ends to play I wish that patch two start immidiately... but is not!!! [image: Eek] There is a delay time between the end of the execution of patch one and the start of the execution of patch two! it'sounds orrible and is not possible to sync well with the drummer! Does anyone got the same problem? Does anyone found the solution? thanks for reply! ------=_Part_4864_33443598.1228399072702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone!
I'm an italian guitar player. I've got a Boss RC-50 Loop Station since 2006.
As the title, i've a problem with this.
Follow me:
1. I record a pharse(4/4 120 btm) on pedal phrase one on patch one.
2. I save recorded phrase on patch one
3. I copy patch one into patch two.
4. Both patch are setting on "Loop End" mode (When a switch in patches or the current phrase is
carried out, recording or playback of the next
designated patch or phrase begins once the end
of the current phrase (length of the current loop
when Loop Sync is on in Multi mode) is reached).
5. I start playng path one.
6. I select patch two with the knob (or pedals, there is no difference).
7. When patch one ends to play I wish that patch two start immidiately... but is not!!! Eek
There is a delay time between the end of the execution of patch one and the start of the execution of patch two! it'sounds orrible and is not possible to sync well with the drummer!

Does anyone got the same problem?
Does anyone found the solution?
thanks for reply! ------=_Part_4864_33443598.1228399072702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:03:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79EAC3BE89; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <193419.2219.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20081203212205.223020@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <77c599c8c8267625fd873bb5c7e2ec3c@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:03:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, It's apparently a tuning that Clapton uses a lot. I forgot to mention that I also use a VG99 and adore what the "All Es"=20= re-tuning on that it does to my tuning. I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've used that quite a=20= bit live. The B-bender feature is slick too. On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.=A0 It seems to pop = up=20 > in many interviews in the last few years. > > TH= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:10:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 419E83BEA6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:10:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:10:45 +0000 (UTC) If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick. You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Not done so much any more though. On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to > change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the > same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual > and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a > very rich and layered tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:15:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2133BEC0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OFNBpupvzVwPC6+7BRSGcK/EcGEgby6AR4N+qgzR6wZOEKkcXD/uoH1TNdbVeMnhdtNI/iuTcFZHbEZUDMPRdUQQ+4VZLblmgOJR40un+y1Gw227RTWzr/6LcUZpY79mIFHsMdax1hU2G3qNxXHzQD+0pWIWXJVvHPMJPxU5DAI=; X-YMail-OSG: DZDG5_8VM1nhb5W5RdbMn6nbO.GAlvADQxK3b.UoMyW5uk94xSjwLLckpGuWWRvBYAgdJreOPIbBTyopSBqKQmDP2St49Xtxe97jsOdbwcpnZLMtgRfQIpgs4S9D6DvdyWvMHBwZS7F2emyRwu9THmxJshRTu1GaN0dqCLhsJ3nuE5ba8SPdOVXQgw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:04 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <77c599c8c8267625fd873bb5c7e2ec3c@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <463523.22281.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:15:06 +0000 (UTC) wow Ted it does the b-bender? can you do other pedal steel bendings with it as well? > I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've > used that quite a bit live. >=20 > The B-bender feature is slick too. >=20 > On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >=20 > > C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.=A0 > It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years. > >=20 > > TH=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:39:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 969333BEC0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <463523.22281.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <463523.22281.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2f9a14a4e5076f2810b149f713e095f0@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:38:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <7K58L.A.gfF.Um_NJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Luis, There is no particular reason why you couldn't. There are 2 expression pedals on the FC300 (controller) and jacks for=20 more CV pedals on both it and the VG99 (brain). It might be tricky to program . . . but I bet a lot of fun could be had=20= trying. I may just try it myself. I always wanted t play lap and/or pedal steel but could never get=20 comfortable with the hand-over-the-fretboard technique. I gave away my lap steel a few years ago to a friend who could already=20= play it better in 5 minutes than I could in 5 years. You can't teach an old dog new tricks they say. I guess I'm proof it's true. Ted On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:15 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > wow Ted it does the b-bender? > can you do other pedal steel bendings with it as well? > > > > >> I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've >> used that quite a bit live. >> >> The B-bender feature is slick too. >> >> On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>> C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.=A0 >> It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years. >>> >>> TH > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6639F3BEC9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WL6yb+b5XOTnm0qjnw0aZsRSO15e12T37wU5XKfHaz4=; b=l4WkQxqu4HM4h+a4Jf4GK0LTm2GDK4yJ2cZpPxbf/Lm7j12914EEMbOQzJujDGQPAE MSf2MP4fW2MXWJpjPgq72KU5nlHWk4WTomgzgFpoSs3GbwghxpcWn84juuDS9yb6Rzpn HrPaxNbt7ToO3VECXHPE+pIn4L/NHBBOdfH1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pcNes46qfw4CM83Y7V/sKpYVuLUHBxTvc2E0fYE1tZq14arHgDJxZCT12a67I8v8nI r4X3aSFbAlt9dpTknJHx0tJTDcTENfoS+Ug1gcX8A8xMm26nCqgo9FyIRdrAPSK4rrom ajiYZuP4a8rQCkRdeApqS3nTLW9yrj6mw3sUk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:54:47 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : viol guitar In-Reply-To: <018c01c95610$996e7bf0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <018c01c95610$996e7bf0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:54:48 +0000 (UTC) I played one of these a couple of years ago at the NAMM show...WAY COOL! Easy to play and sounds like an electric violin. I was having a blast playing it. Wish I had the money to buy one! I probably will one of these days. You won't be disappointed. -- Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 15:57:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6E03BEC7; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:57:04 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on a baritone guitar. I played exclusively in DADGCF for five years, which was great for rock and helped me break out of certain ruts, but I never use alternate tunings anymore because I know I'll never be as comfortable as in standard tuning. I always want to be able (or aspire to be able) to play what jumps into my head at any given time, and playing in a different tuning is a handicap, to me, for that goal. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick. > > You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s. > > Not done so much any more though. > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to >> change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the >> same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual >> and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a >> very rich and layered tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:02:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D1E13BECD; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:01:58 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081204160158.174170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/2fKtMzRP2CJ0WQX9NafzQJgjwZfN6ccW8+bi7yT BDpG5ekGNiVfp7hRTOWqVCVlcFcO8u3t0U4Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: mJNVHU5kbXB+aMxpyTU2lXUiLyUmZQhf X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) > and quieter than Roland switches such as their FS-5U momentary switches really?? Well, that should be really ok... It really pisses me off when I set up a mic with a lot of reverb and I hear this click on the loop endlessly ;-) So, it seem the Gordius is a real alternative to a Behringer with stripped down expression pedals - or better: on a Gordius I could still choose between small footprint (pun ;-) or additional expression pedal(s) when I need them. Nice! :) Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:07:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6D493BEC2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fkUuK7Unnxrcc0u6kTDeJsIV4SR6xS8Z0g3wv+9HOfE=; b=oGmxEitYIKKzUPwG7wEiXIbPR/Hra02zXi+MIjRX/Ql4cE8VGFv6m9wSX57iB/HQ7d u/JI6WREGN4pQy5a1HW4k2vQVC89Q/HmJ4QC2U8t4MNeeo0AYHQ+TEWr638r7u1+L3Xd vVqpGdq54fJZigzNHs6fGbvJJ5LucRFQBSAoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gM94PVuyqw4W8LqgmHT0+3zPfhtIJR6lnOpAfXdd30lEiwcmyDGMZI6JfGrRQmaNx/ jQeubpav0cU5epHp5xAwU+UthQ98FJ2BRnnSo0JbjuVbz8wVgtrURWrkRLWYBRM1iMLc TdkUij7BOHa256AiQ4EYmtwNGdw0bfWpgRVn8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:07:35 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8238_29186868.1228406855302" References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:07:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8238_29186868.1228406855302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, Metheny used a baritone tuning with only the middle pair of strings transposed up an octave. TH On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it changes > the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny uses it a lot, > in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on a baritone guitar. > > ------=_Part_8238_29186868.1228406855302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, Metheny used a baritone tuning with only the middle pair of strings transposed up an octave.

TH

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on a baritone guitar.


------=_Part_8238_29186868.1228406855302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:16:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE2853BEC2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8BC1A083-9391-4120-9814-7F07A1A87E1B@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812011311o2a31271an9eec69df6442d611@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-39-992024404 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: echoplex next bug Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:15:27 -0300 References: <78371C7A-087A-4BB3-B480-A91E99CDD14E@atarde.com.br> <4934232E.8080300@vtx.ch> <9ab0c76f0812011311o2a31271an9eec69df6442d611@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-39-992024404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit make a long loop and half speed! On 1 Dec 2008, at 18:11, mark francombe wrote: > What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press lots of > buttons in funny combinations... > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found > the display joke we created ... > > :=) > > big kiss > > Claude > > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-39-992024404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable make a long loop and half = speed!

On 1 Dec 2008, at 18:11, mark francombe = wrote:

What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press = lots of buttons in funny combinations...

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch>= wrote:
and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found = the display joke we created ...

:=3D)

big kiss
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Claude




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= --Apple-Mail-39-992024404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:21:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2670E3BED0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:21:14 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <139690.63432.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081204162114.292030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <139690.63432.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++gEQEITW+QIxp5RZMCTeeP6nalNrBMRyHjL3/hz wBkXV77+UJDdYyuRlXjELsVG9Ln39We3S+VA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: G29TIVonTlI8dsF+jGlrWgdOU2poZRlL X-FuHaFi: 0.59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:21:16 +0000 (UTC) > shit man looks like this is it!!!! He,he. Happy you've found a useful starting point ;-) > any comments on it,reviews?how good are the drivers?latency with mobius? Please, let's not start this RME vs. Motu discussion again.. To sum it up: - RME seems to be best and worry-free - I guess there have been some driver problems with MOTU in the past (rather Windows side however, not Mac) - However, I haven't found anyone who really had problems with a Motu Ultralite. And I have talked with several people selling them regularly. - Things might be different if you really want to use it also as designated high-end recording interface. Then mic pre quality etc could make an RME more favorable, I guess... But this is all speculation. I have never heard anyone unhappy with one of these: - RME Fireface 400 - Motu Ultralite - Echo AudioFire4 Please correct me, folks, if you have different experience on this. >Always fun to talk about designing flexible looping rigs! The problem is: You first think you know what you want/need. Then your needs/desires change... Look at Luis' problem: he didn't think he'd need post-fxs when he got his mixer... My experience is that I've never ever regretted getting any gear that was two sizes too large (and expensive...) at the beginning - it was just perfect after a few years. :) best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:31:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580D93BEAF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493805CB.4030000@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:31:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC) I stand corrected, thanks. cool idea. I love that record. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > No, Metheny used a baritone tuning with only the middle pair of > strings transposed up an octave. > > TH > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daryl Shawn > wrote: > > Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally > it changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat > Metheny uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" > record, albeit on a baritone guitar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:34:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7493BEDA; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:34:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <71eda9170812040557o328a4f9era63a7e3a5dbaca87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081204163419.29440@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <71eda9170812040557o328a4f9era63a7e3a5dbaca87@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It does not work! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19N8rYVJtxNQpcqjb33p38yHYbvn5oHMDJMVKrqr8 pXuFaWbu8AslGJL0x8DqxhYExiXHwDNIWI6w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: uDEKeLQjIydmNIx+j2ZrmzVSa2FkZtVH X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes, this is a basic problem with the RC-50. It was one of the biggest disappointments for me. You can actually test it much easier: Just assign "next phrase" to an external pedal or i.e. tempo pedal. And press it during play. Have you updated your RC-50 with the patch? Does this make a difference? I think you won't have that problem with an RC-20xl btw. best regards and let us know how things work out Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D124B3BEDE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4938070E.8080809@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:36:30 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Stone Playing References: <20081202122153.AFF363BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Jumping back to an earlier topic - this arrived today from one of my other lists... http://www.exploratorium.edu/pie/library/songstones.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 16:55:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4B933BEDC; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3qbLrosHzRzo0n2sGypnGrt4yVus+Nl4E2zE1NLRU80=; b=K06SG8noxML7JUCyc/1hg9D4P2VR871sKO1S3nkkwK1YUqfoIdl5Sdu1mpB5/+z29I kMpkcZiqWACm0mS8IowXR+4imXdWj/9wmlIZHpavxfFFWWRDTBc+h4/wxT/Cp6tylSTt KhABdUUm30O6r45bgnH/aG1iPmyOdfb2rHlSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=K8o0dfaRBYjTW3SAeuMUG+1ILJn6IBAOZuQUZU1xV9+F1k9MnciEt9aqVXz7YP6Gde VfcGvsKBfc2CaXVMlHy/n1egY+naF/zys/t53zsmtr/ZKen/sv6baDAekDx5GVg9K31E 9aQlyQt5c0Y+n1/pzbSwFQQMDaI+GjHK/tSK4= Message-ID: <9e0440a60812040854p5f0d2145ldda6977aa5ebd497@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:54:58 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32391_9684492.1228409698624" References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:55:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32391_9684492.1228409698624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For many years I used nothing but opening tunings with a lot of energy going into the everpopular DADGAD. I was fortunate to get in the Mel Bay family a few years ago and to my amazement got a book contract focused on DADGAD with an edict to do an extended work. It's called DADGAD Encyclopediat and information about it is available at http://www.melbay.com/product.asp?ProductID=99934BCD&pageheader=&category=&author=1679&mode=author . Pieces from my record Stories My Guitar Told Me were done in some interesting self-discovered ones, Light Cycles GADFAE, Manthang EBEF#BC#(later dropped a step to DADEAB), Thai Chi and Transportation Suite DADGCE and a piece on My SPace world A Room in a Dream AAEFCE. All that stuff was from my other life following suite in homage to Michael Hedges who was a profound influence on me for a long time, when I was doing mainly solo composed guitar. My journey to looping, improvisation and other instrument exploring began @ 2 years ago and I must say I'm really enjoying as well as this community. Not to be arrogant but happy to share all I know about open tunings to any interested as I have several years of expertise. Best Jim On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, Metheny used a baritone tuning with only the middle pair of strings > transposed up an octave. > > TH > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it >> changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny uses it >> a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on a baritone >> guitar. >> >> > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_32391_9684492.1228409698624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
For many years I used nothing but opening tunings with a lot of energy going into the everpopular DADGAD.  I was fortunate to get in the Mel Bay family a few years ago and to my amazement got a book contract focused on DADGAD with  an edict to do an extended work.  It's called DADGAD Encyclopediat and information about it is available at http://www.melbay.com/product.asp?ProductID=99934BCD&pageheader=&category=&author=1679&mode=author.
 
Pieces from my record Stories My Guitar Told Me were done in some interesting self-discovered ones, Light Cycles GADFAE, Manthang EBEF#BC#(later dropped a step to DADEAB), Thai Chi and Transportation Suite DADGCE and a piece on My SPace world A Room in a Dream AAEFCE.
 
All that stuff was from my other life following suite in homage to Michael Hedges who was a profound influence on me for a long time, when I was doing mainly solo composed guitar.  My journey to looping, improvisation and other instrument exploring began @ 2 years ago and I must say I'm really enjoying as well as this community.
 
Not to be arrogant but happy to share all I know about open tunings to any interested as I have several years of expertise.
 
Best
 
Jim

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
No, Metheny used a baritone tuning with only the middle pair of strings transposed up an octave.

TH


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on a baritone guitar.





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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_32391_9684492.1228409698624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:03:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396AA3BEDF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Q8UVEgs71kubt8UTgyrQncHFVHHNRrTFnU6GjjqSves=; b=YVPfG+3x1wdQHahaj8ard/rRntzQYFiYH6ePyPQP6dfXBizd61qXbwH80hFjHL+HX5 jDHKD8P5OyL2rON8nsBnMfbKk4ND1t/GqlpqTWH8TzcBI5VbX01ElPL5Mpzc3gnKSYAY ARM0Zqw5dlYULljQWWu5s398S9md6EMbY8dkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=wtLPhLBDaegI8iuVGiLLTX+oQyZHu9XwuvUG+vGujlXhqv9M+8xPioA+tbG+dz9X1N sP1DIm61AnBlD11TaMT0CYkOu94WPbWfmN2Ps68sC8ZCB6dAdwJfwbmDoPqIWJMm1axp Y8jcJPpExDaoFFs9MxTUioMZjRz4feCv7fxI4= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812040903r487110e2tb8392f22a9af30cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:03:08 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius foot controller user experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Dear Bill, thanks for that detailed writeup on the Gordius. A few comments from my sid= e: > I assume you are trying to start you loops with open mics present, Rainer= ? In a live situation the noise is negligible. > In the studio, with sensitive mics present, you might get a little bit o= f mechanical noise but I don't think it would be significant. This may come as a surprise to you (and in fact to a lot of people on this list), but my musical approach contains a) open mics about all the time and more importantly b) passages which aren't compressed drumbeat meets subbass attack meets distorted guitar all the way through: I play a lot with very silent noises (opening your lips, making that very silent "bpbbb" noise, breathing, playing quietly on a trombone mouthpiece, gently pull back the slide etc.), and in such a context (and taking into account that my mics are small-diaphragm condensers, sometimes omnis), pedal noises can end up in a live recording (although the audience at the venue might not hear it consciously). So something that would be noticeably louder than, say, a FCB1010 (which the Gordius is meant to replace) wouldn't be a good idea. (one example for the quiet noises: http://www.box.net/shared/l8rqu1pw8o - or ask your brother for first-hand experience) About the FCB1010, you said: > [...] as well as slight transformer noise. I noticed it, too, with the second FCB1010 I got (the first one was and still is dead quiet). Got it replaced, still the same problem. The issue: Behringer works like any company which manufactures in high volumes does: they saved about =800.0007 on the washers for the mount of the transformer. Solution: get some yourself (or, if you don't want to leave the house, simply put some duct tape in between), and the noise disappears. Thanks again, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:11:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB3503BEE4; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228410668; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=TyXdkyuuV00Wqp0jR3pEI20gFMo=; b=RYjXvCMRSbkQTICLw+nRPBt/S63zng2RPPNH4lUHh/VH91ZGgQx2bJkbXlL1yPHI 5qlYoEGm77PYOlLaq5KZ+ie7k86PDlG8IPb6nmlmQRamtHHzXh9S2F4MXcu1AxC8; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aOJQyK3ix-UA:10 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=zE5r9rLDUy0a8_FAB1IA:9 a=GSzzq_uJFptQeKsBFvwA:7 a=gdzg0nE7VKe_Mrlv3OTzo56l18sA:4 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001d01c95633$4c4ee710$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> <4937FDD0.3000804@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:11:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you Daryl, I have messed with alt tunings some but when I play I always use standard. Well until I met your partner Jim Goodin (virtually). I have taken up the oud, tuning E A B E A D which I find that damnd B string course to be very counter intuitive to the way I play. I still "think" guitar. And being fretless it's taking alot of practice to be acurate. I love it though and new things keep my old brain from atrophying (I hope). For guitar though after all these years I have not even scratched the surface with the good old standard. Ahh, so many notes, so little time.. peace, Jeff http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it > changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny > uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on > a baritone guitar. > > I played exclusively in DADGCF for five years, which was great for rock > and helped me break out of certain ruts, but I never use alternate > tunings anymore because I know I'll never be as comfortable as in > standard tuning. I always want to be able (or aspire to be able) to play > what jumps into my head at any given time, and playing in a different > tuning is a handicap, to me, for that goal. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick. >> >> You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s. >> >> Not done so much any more though. >> >> On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to >>> change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the >>> same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual >>> and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a >>> very rich and layered tone. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1828 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 8:05 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:19:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABC53BEEE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: re: alternate tunings Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:19:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C955F1.69A79740" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclWNHRrhB0YX/21T6C6yBH+p5twzQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C955F1.69A79740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nashville Tuning, as I've come to understand it is actually the four lowest strings being replaced by octave unison strings. Think using a 12 string set but taking out all of the fat strings and just using the octaves on strings 6 through 3. GHS offers a set that ranges from string 1 to 6 ; .012,.016, .010, .012, .016,. .024w. I string my Martin 5-15 terz size guitar with this set and it sounds shimmery and lovely and is great for doubling parts or playing arpeggios. I like using Nashville tuning and then retuning to an alternate tuning like DADGAD, would that make it NashGad??? I'm really enjoying SUS2 tunings like DADEAD, because like DADGAD they can work with either minor or major keys due to the absence of the 3rd. bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C955F1.69A79740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nashville Tuning, as I’ve come to understand it = is actually the four lowest strings being replaced by octave unison = strings. Think using a 12 string set but taking out all of the fat strings and just = using the octaves on strings 6 through 3. GHS offers a set that ranges from string = 1 to 6 ; .012,.016, .010, .012, .016,. .024w.  I string my Martin 5-15 = terz size guitar with this set and it sounds shimmery and lovely and is great for doubling parts or playing arpeggios. I like using Nashville tuning and then retuning = to an alternate tuning like DADGAD, would that make it NashGad???  = I’m really enjoying SUS2 tunings like DADEAD, because like DADGAD they can = work with either minor or major keys due to the absence of the = 3rd.

 bill

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C955F1.69A79740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:22:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DFF63BEE1; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iCVxDCKE8i97rynF/KjUmYGDM0ARM29WTOmxctiTH3s=; b=hcgfSRLU3xAZgqgdTRaLKUITaKaRU03qs6w7rmtbor1AEtNnxPhYatubhPngsva07Y gnHkINpVjSWI2Xi+qrwOtUxutdwYTpu5v9bg9PeVehdNXHUl2x4ihMGRdr1bi4tM89cT fd/ltWZ/JwOwkXzePeeMQhGGHOAmHmfOARCQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Vti7qLnp9Rj7HA7h3paSB4lKnCMmqmSOnd7kJ4pJIWDP/TxwO63XS3MfG95fopKIDR DKNq2XV6AAFl7GzM+wr5HGL+zRE0vXM9Heg9KR5UPeNkCL91sbH71E6H/zVxuNcz6IF+ NJBR/3Ho8vR3s7IQa8Dd8XkvkH7tND6G7M45U= Message-ID: <101191640812040922t4f064080k60b637dd24578e96@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:22:33 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12476_2977343.1228411353080" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: daf7347301782a18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:22:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12476_2977343.1228411353080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice synth usage. enjoyed it. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, wrote: > Listening right now. Beautiful. Captures my current overworked, tired > mood completely. > > Peace, > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:02:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > billwalker@baymoon.com writes: > > I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother. > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 6:15 AM > *To:* ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* New realtime recording uploaded > > > > Hi all, > > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time > last night. > > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3 also available on my > podcast > > > > I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, > > 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are > all there....). > > > > Greetings > > > > Fabio > > www.eterogeneo.com > > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in > one place. Try it now > . > ------=_Part_12476_2977343.1228411353080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice synth usage. enjoyed it.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, <HarryEsq@aol.com> wrote:
Listening right now.  Beautiful.  Captures my current overworked, tired mood completely.
 
Peace,
 
Harry Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908
 
In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:02:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:

I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother.

Bill

 


From: eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:15 AM
To: ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New realtime recording uploaded

 

Hi all,

just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time last night.

 

I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,

5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all there....).

 

Greetings

 

Fabio

 

 

 





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------=_Part_12476_2977343.1228411353080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:36:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113D33BEE7; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LEMYJ6m2p7O03gG7KNKTsA4D2HZAjpTgaQxgzzeYYpw=; b=dBXA59lRhvdFcRWMU4Lp14j76mb6wAT6i71Ov92XvQE9d6/98mNH1AxKUfeNsrShog K7FTgTLEe2gmHWc6v9zDIb2VYLE42nFK+W4bDGmEvQRQEWtlJel6Hi+DLK+uPsTXEw+O DqHD5lOKtsmdUYZ3buHEkQquEZ+WF+UlHaxV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Xr1dWPWBTPZSnfgFh+IQbgZw9XVHslL8FjgZEgFszTo7PnlufqqPZgApqTXNXqlIBE Tk2P+JAxIDI8F1gLSkLK3GswSmqq1E1YSbYoFQdar7mKDDN5pwgiKTtgQtiV0iJsSuux RwMip6X5DkJfbRBmfjERTmaq2+1LOzpFdg9N8= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0812040936k2ed42e46ybf709bccbdcef1f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:36:35 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing In-Reply-To: <20081204162114.292030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <139690.63432.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081204162114.292030@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:36:36 +0000 (UTC) My ultralite was ok but the technical support was the worst I have ever dealt with...I use mine with a mac mini.... could just been bad luck but I believe I mentioned it on this list a while back and there were others that had similar experiences. It made it a deal breaker for me and helped me decide to go hardware for now. If I ever go laptop for live gigs I'm selling my ultralite and going with a company that provides great support. That said there are many successful people using them for live shows just tossing in my experience for whats its worth. I still use my ultralite with my mac mini to experiment with software looping for the time being. Todd On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> shit man looks like this is it!!!! > He,he. Happy you've found a useful starting point ;-) > >> any comments on it,reviews?how good are the drivers?latency with mobius? > Please, let's not start this RME vs. Motu discussion again.. > To sum it up: > - RME seems to be best and worry-free > - I guess there have been some driver problems with MOTU in the past (rat= her Windows side however, not Mac) > - However, I haven't found anyone who really had problems with a Motu Ult= ralite. And I have talked with several people selling them regularly. > - Things might be different if you really want to use it also as designat= ed high-end recording interface. Then mic pre quality etc could make an RME= more favorable, I guess... > > But this is all speculation. I have never heard anyone unhappy with one o= f these: > - RME Fireface 400 > - Motu Ultralite > - Echo AudioFire4 > > Please correct me, folks, if you have different experience on this. > >>Always fun to talk about designing flexible looping rigs! > The problem is: You first think you know what you want/need. Then your ne= eds/desires change... Look at Luis' problem: he didn't think he'd need post= -fxs when he got his mixer... > My experience is that I've never ever regretted getting any gear that was= two sizes too large (and expensive...) at the beginning - it was just perf= ect after a few years. :) > > best regards > Buzap > > -- > Sensationsangebot verl=E4ngert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K1308T4569= a > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 17:51:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A5B3BEF1; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uWsT1B+E4FyaTVuvJyWyaX7RcgjVuIiJUJSIhdzI3Hc=; b=QpS/W7XEJqB5udFmK5rbOOIyPEevWpe9mExNmcDLkrkwi+G25sbQ2B9MthOcZcdJ4w JGalsA/t3k6phheKJdsUBghaQvl8M2lGgva+PZhhDWrKVJLRKliBvEQPLdZWu6KPeZVV I8xLnV28Mcto4+NLoBk5mkrX+r1Y9W37yXid8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KnJzQQ2Sb2kpflI9dg11nep2yrEsulaxdCzUOqqBxcnt+Sl0HDZ2CwrLk6qEUHNVn5 blMRuz1xV5ZzL52unawN/7cMJcU46EDglPJR5/5fDlwJiMxSES4HhA3DGV8f2zYpSaYc SgNuiqGyFs6GV3YJySzA2hZyE4okGJT09H1gg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812040951l42ea4d95v30a7aa06d8f1fc0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:51:16 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0812040936k2ed42e46ybf709bccbdcef1f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <139690.63432.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081204162114.292030@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0812040936k2ed42e46ybf709bccbdcef1f6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:51:17 +0000 (UTC) I can only speak for the RME FireFace400 out of hands-on experience, but with this interface's "RME mixer" software driver it would be possible to take out two cables (stereo left/right), run them into a reverb unit and then back into the FireFAce400 to route them to the output that goes to the PA speakers. My main looping rig already uses this physical patching technique to send the signal from one standalone software into another standalone software while still feeding both software's main output into the house PA output. I know MOTU audio interfaces come with at similar software mixer, so maybe adding a reverb unit by physical patching would be possible there as well? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:26:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA02C3BEDB; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SQbLaVaYsnT5qCB0oYsfAjeQ0lKTuErkTM+0xIW90UcRjxZ1jRB4LeMxqizRz5ulzzLkve7ZWWE/xWl91pTq6CNP1Xd/RvZiEGe9NPfxQhfPjPnk8/nqzbU2/scGwaY9x5icCw0MuXhOWMdFBWPLw3xv0Ze9xk1KB1/X7ubyCVg=; X-YMail-OSG: QC_J5vMVM1kkQ.lUZv1wwN8lBMI3t653BhQ8eURYUE0qlNtlkBDz8oF54FGVds5ghWOLYOr9vsTlOaYEYJClLieTXf.c5Vm6SZbliA.kvS4Zqmu1eydFyxHi.8EOLpy1pQNrnUSdMo2STcWJfPXhtcmxfu8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <673857.54977.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:26:16 +0000 (UTC) yes, Sjaak i am still looking for a review on this baby!!i will be trsying = it out soon though. I just want a system that i can travel with,the less cables,or xtra hardwar= e involved the better. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Sjaak wrote: > From: Sjaak > Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: "Loopers-Delight" > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:16 AM > Btw: the idea about the Motu ultralite-mk3 is good one, that > seems a flexible and good audio card. I can get a Sound On > Sound review if you want, just let me know. >=20 > Always fun to talk about designing flexible looping rigs! I > would expect that what Luis wants should be possible but > it=E2=80=99s seems not so easy. I=E2=80=99ve been investigating a 100% > software rig too but correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong, the problem > has been and seems to be a flexible integration of the > mixer, looper (pre/post FX) and the routing to the audio > card. Plus I would like to see it working with a low CPU > soft synth in a Mainstage like architecture. It would be > fantastic to have something like this all in a small laptop. > Imo, a disadvantage of this type of configurations is that > you first have to invest a big amount of money before you > can start trying it out without being sure it=E2=80=99s going to > work. But things are constantly improving so I=E2=80=99m watching > these threads closely. >=20 > An alternative combo I=E2=80=99m personally thinking of is the > LP1, Line 6 M13 + a MFC. Yes, it=E2=80=99s hardware but the > combined specs look very promising. The M13 has stereo FX > send/returns and you can put your own external device (eg > EDP or LP1) anywhere in the FX chain of the M13. So > something like >=20 > pre-fx 1,2,3 =3D> looper =3D> post-fx or > pre-fx 1,2,3,4 =3D> looper >=20 > is all be possible. By using the M13 scenes (setups) you > can change the stomp box + FX send/return setup on the fly. > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw >=20 > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement > meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> > http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:29:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4B03BEBE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MHj1vZ50z3toKO4FcQU/5W3eEPQyMtdeiIq9O6V94Sme71sfg+eqROZY3lXr1POXIWfvIfskI8utrJsLbIWryfZWcAkdZUXGoS2uqLl6R2R2LkdrdM4aMzPAC6agqHdb+ByCbysZoZ2H+cw/4Am51Tq/RkAXlEstScIkd41gZ58=; X-YMail-OSG: BEsbb7MVM1ng6ASwDdqHoVl.NUWJGHVpAOZCiiOgvflkGr.epG_Jyux.DSDlSg5BzzaDBIvEw1Z_zyoY87biguKWXOXLS0QLNylTu7WipSld5UIFq8Yc8Rw3zP4gWYrPN61TxQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <730689.25393.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <255393.8820.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:29:30 +0000 (UTC) hmm...you mean digiridoo? > Hmmm, I use diggidygad (DGDGAD) so much of the time; > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:33:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE03F3BEBE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=iDp5+ApvWlGf16id/N/WM5Z+vgW4c97rgZx7wxiq09fmQYpYTs9ke9qwd6e2ADweCy91HVmOyk7149uR8WQevFraRI8C1TftHrespRCba9up0DMkYCWbHC6iLvLbnZ6UNWD161BlMLWvRQ8S9F2+CS8CCLW0m2AARTtCsaopEAI=; X-YMail-OSG: gzFGgr4VM1l30qk27.r9aooH7RFdknMcNJ4FoFEl9AjnMqamtmBFg9c1zYPxRPDdi4p_wmbvy5hlcQufHn12aapq4tHYUqCT5cR0pjOQG1tlUNoB5P6uJdTrlOAXZ1LtSt1xpih0tp.1.N8cSxOa1XWJ4sVmGxWyVvadcygvPThqZcyicxE8nuRTy8feDCv8YMtaeQ8gGUHK5CU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:33:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812040951l42ea4d95v30a7aa06d8f1fc0b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <17480.11452.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8zSRHD.A.wZF.XKCOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:33:59 +0000 (UTC) oh yes,i know is nice i own the big brother RME FW800 which i use for home recording,too bad is to big for a lappy setup but who knows i might sell it and get this compact one,hell i can also use it for home recording just as well! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:51 AM > I can only speak for the RME FireFace400 out of hands-on > experience, > but with this interface's "RME mixer" > software driver it would be > possible to take out two cables (stereo left/right), run > them into a > reverb unit and then back into the FireFAce400 to route > them to the > output that goes to the PA speakers. My main looping rig > already uses > this physical patching technique to send the signal from > one > standalone software into another standalone software while > still > feeding both software's main output into the house PA > output. > > I know MOTU audio interfaces come with at similar software > mixer, so > maybe adding a reverb unit by physical patching would be > possible > there as well? > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 890C63BEAF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BSbqYT4AQ+QSycKQa7M7pat2qYbaYWulCpPFe0f2kOAsKWBTI0h40w/c/PCbmg3W/EFzjRet0LIcl862PMVJtJrpGAUHUeqj/gEkKC2xNFglB3oCg5aZiusTAIZogMXzBu0Zs1slPS0hoOgfut9wf7HPFmKJP4gHjoER+o5HCNE=; X-YMail-OSG: 5nzn3l4VM1kRbdXwFlc0TdyunDlpSL.JhRm1uOIKYUqgi.pV9t96vpYxyTbZBqOovhaT6kXoiJGJ46jX51oNdQNfLHjMdkkmzFYH5P2FvDBemdvvNo4yAA.ltlEW4vLB6FSkI3eexbwsmqblgYBnHp.dl.tunqSPHVAGrRow4sfHnOOYNrGN7yX0RYc- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:38:20 +0000 (UTC) This is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try it asap. The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I imagine this would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow body. Decisions, decisions... ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 AM Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, this is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those too bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07BA03BE99; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:46:29 -0600 Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Topic: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing Thread-Index: AclWPuEMv8EqmgxDQFWWJrzLHo8YcQAAGzFQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7795@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812040951l42ea4d95v30a7aa06d8f1fc0b@mail.gmail.com> <17480.11452.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <17480.11452.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:46:32 +0000 (UTC) > oh yes,i know is nice i own the big brother RME FW800 which i use for > home recording,too bad is to big for a lappy setup but who knows i > might sell it and get this compact one,hell i can also use it for home > recording just as well! I hate getting in the way of someone's gear lust, but if the point of all this was to add a reverb tail to a Mobius loop, there WILL be a VST version on the Mac very soon. It's working now, I'm just getting some kinks worked out of the UI. If you have another use in mind for the Ultralite/RME then fine, but don't spend $500-800 USD just to get a reverb tail :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:48:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43283BEC3; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1001229474 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:48:52 -0800 References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1001229474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Country players do this all the time. They call it 'High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the first three strings in a guitar set). It's really cool. Big jangle RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote: > This is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try > it asap. The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I > imagine this would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow > body. > > Decisions, decisions... > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 AM > Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > > Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular > maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to > change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the > same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual > and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a > very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, this > is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is > always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those too > bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a > mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush! > > per > > > > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-2-1001229474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Country players do this all the = time.  They call it 'High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings = are light gauge (or like the first three strings in a guitar set). =  It's really cool. Big jangle

RICHARD = SALES
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On Dec 4, 2008, at = 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote:

This = is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try it asap. = The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I imagine this = would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow = body.

Decisions, decisions...

----- Original Message = ----
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 = AM
Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)

Once I was = talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular
maybe. = Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is = to
change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned = the
same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as = usual
and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but = with a
very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band = context, this
is an awesome trick. The problem with recording = acoustic guitar is
always that it has too much bass, so why not = simply take out those too
bassy strings and add three more of the = strings that sound good in a
mix together with drums, bass and = vocals! = Lush!

per





RICHARD SALES
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= --Apple-Mail-2-1001229474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 18:52:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D712C3BEDE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Woc3X75lPqREFDJtxPx9A8aRHawoEIof8vRKY2g6WnU=; b=PKVtDRDZbhiiEF8xKWxIb0w4ZXSj7Q+S3lkWAkjR4pN6Oh4oYloFcNi9rGU+C8ZgwF OtHb7QAtqE6dZWiOTEra0FypJRDvct4MWJ7ENe/A3ajQ7OYHd6zp20ZyfEUlKJml0EUB OYJJsh6g7h++anuqkcjDL/IhnBG7MlrPfCadY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=R9m0bpKvfnGKuZfLsl1EUFiWIOpnpk3BSgPF6HbCAwy2QqiE7YwunvsKEUxFDjNRaU GA1I6YF5BsOQTx1EQmKc8uhoi/E9p3mjVQrNWA1l8kC7hPiAR9MpdNOivFg9opx6bpAL tMZ+ttJOKhrKjmTqYW+zQlMYqvR0x/mEmIQGE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:52:05 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11450_28375783.1228416725303" References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:52:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11450_28375783.1228416725303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I believe the guitar intro to the Rolling Stones "Wild Horses" is in Nashville tuning if anyone's curious as to what it sounds like. TH On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, RICHARD SALES wrote: > Country players do this all the time. They call it 'High Strung Guitar' > where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the first three strings in > a guitar set). It's really cool. Big jangle > > ------=_Part_11450_28375783.1228416725303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I believe the guitar intro to the Rolling Stones "Wild Horses" is in Nashville tuning if anyone's curious as to what it sounds like. 

TH

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, RICHARD SALES <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Country players do this all the time.  They call it 'High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the first three strings in a guitar set).  It's really cool. Big jangle



------=_Part_11450_28375783.1228416725303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 19:00:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB093BEC3; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7FB1FFDC-303D-49F1-AFB6-51511FB33F52@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1001892533 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:59:55 -0800 References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-1001892533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops! Just re read that you'd already discussed the 'Nashville tuning' link. I learned the "High Strung Tuning" name from Danny Gatton. It may have changed names since then. On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:48 AM, RICHARD SALES wrote: > Country players do this all the time. They call it 'High Strung > Guitar' where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the first > three strings in a guitar set). It's really cool. Big jangle > > RICHARD SALES > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote: > >> This is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try >> it asap. The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? >> I imagine this would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow >> body. >> >> Decisions, decisions... >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Per Boysen >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 AM >> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) >> >> Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular >> maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is >> to >> change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the >> same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual >> and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a >> very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, >> this >> is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is >> always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those >> too >> bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a >> mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush! >> >> per >> >> >> >> > > RICHARD SALES > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-3-1001892533 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops!  Just re read that = you'd already discussed the 'Nashville tuning' link.  I learned the = "High Strung Tuning" name from Danny Gatton.  It may have changed = names since then. 

On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:48 AM, = RICHARD SALES wrote:

Country players do this all the = time.  They call it 'High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings = are light gauge (or like the first three strings in a guitar set). =  It's really cool. Big jangle

RICHARD = SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=

On Dec 4, 2008, at = 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote:

This = is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try it asap. = The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I imagine this = would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow = body.

Decisions, decisions...

----- Original Message = ----
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 = AM
Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)

Once I was = talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular
maybe. = Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is = to
change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned = the
same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as = usual
and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but = with a
very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band = context, this
is an awesome trick. The problem with recording = acoustic guitar is
always that it has too much bass, so why not = simply take out those too
bassy strings and add three more of the = strings that sound good in a
mix together with drums, bass and = vocals! = Lush!

per





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= --Apple-Mail-3-1001892533-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 19:45:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 808523BEC3; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:45:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <283c3096c46fabf36aad82cd1a5aeb2a@charter.net> Thread-Index: AclWIn1tQgLo++0xSmSIs0274eKJbwAJkv6g Message-Id: <20081204194535.27C993BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Correct--I've heard that described as 'Nashville tuning' in the past. dave If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick. You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Not done so much any more though. On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to > change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the > same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual > and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a > very rich and layered tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 19:56:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160743BE95; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:56:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20081204194535.27C993BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AclWIn1tQgLo++0xSmSIs0274eKJbwAJkv6gAABiY5A= Message-Id: <20081204195642.A26643BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for duplication--I posted this before the rest of the emails had downloaded. dave Correct--I've heard that described as 'Nashville tuning' in the past. dave If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick. You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Not done so much any more though. On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to > change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the > same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual > and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a > very rich and layered tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 21:08:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D52D3BEA9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=sVM8a/Bb/pRv31Jd6O/AWMxOCmA9e7QS3jhyhCdfjG0wGghKmHtPqrpigKYaFNilo5dQvIBLPVbG60wIiM2+Av2lUB4WedIJTh+pAupV9KyouFhg/Ub5oAVnM1VxAt/GpHYAVNoe1JoS3eVvP0LePDVPUIkQVchDAaPAbI6nz04=; X-YMail-OSG: k7gYmgAVM1lexmdhihbrAS6TTEUjXO8tPGLzWcWzIvxMfBC1sqqreJl6EikM6m4Aid5SEYnH1DWpxAUEkyvdbh6r662f_1f3EbX12o_C5T5XeDIOjQ6xflKYD6NxUU93lNMy.jjWnqGs9oR5pMyiFmeBOy8HnkSCP3uyAh.De.s86BOqy2oJjGTIenffc8evjPqiZlj.RO5ED1c- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:08:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DDB2B7795@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <272597.12592.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <84cJCD.A.a2E.YbEOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:08:40 +0000 (UTC) well no no,i am just trying out a little mackie havent bought it yet,which costs alomost 300.-eur.then the soundcard thats another 300,-,yes i am using it in the mon send to get the post fx which is cool but ill need a wide table to sit soundcard,mixer,laptop all sort of scarered around and do all this conections, so i am thinking instead of all that why not have all the eqs,pre fx,mixer,post efx etc. plus a soundcard all in one? i would still be cheaper, conect quicker,less cables and take less space!another thing that seems nice about the motu is the integrated midi conection and is also powered by the firewire port(no need for power supply)the firebox requires an x-tra adaptor to use it midi,no biggi offcourse but as i said the less cables the better! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:46 AM > > oh yes,i know is nice i own the big brother RME FW800 > which i use for > > home recording,too bad is to big for a lappy setup but > who knows i > > might sell it and get this compact one,hell i can also > use it for home > > recording just as well! > > I hate getting in the way of someone's gear lust, but > if the point > of all this was to add a reverb tail to a Mobius loop, > there WILL > be a VST version on the Mac very soon. It's working > now, I'm just > getting some kinks worked out of the UI. If you have > another use > in mind for the Ultralite/RME then fine, but don't > spend $500-800 > USD just to get a reverb tail :-) > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 21:14:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CB033BEA6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <66f9cc1e0812031330t2e1b5636v439309fae3564646@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:14:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Great Per, your music/playing/tachnics have always something new ! Lot to learn from your approach. Thanks for sharing. Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: song uploaded for sharing: "The Yogi and the Commissar" > If anyone's is in the mood for listening I just posted a looping heavy > song here: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > >>"The Yogi and the Commissar" >> >> About the song: >> I wanted to give my three sexiest instruments three minutes to make out >> on the web. >> They took three fifty three. >> >> Equipment: >> Alto Flute, Tenor Sax, Stratocaster Electric Guitar, >> Electric Wind Controller (EWI 9000s), >> Mobius looping software, >> Logic Pro recording software. > > I had a problem finding a proper style tag and finally settled for "jazz". > > Per > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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I have decided to contact you on a business deal of us$22.500.000.00 (twenty two million five hundrend United States dollars).
 
The depositor of the said fund died with his entire family
during the Iraq war in 2006,The customer used his wife as the next of kin but unfortunately, the wife died along side with him leaving nobody for the claim.
 
According to our banking law, if the fund remains unclaimed for two (2) years then, the fund will be transferred
into the reserve bank as unclaimed bill.

I don't want the fund to go into the bank treasury and as such, let us claim the fund. I want to present you as his cousin or business partner so that the bank will transfer the fund into your bank account for us to share it.

Your percentage will be 30% while 60% will be for me. as an insider in this bank, I assure you that, this transaction is 100% risk free. if you are willing for this deal, contact me for more details but if you are not capable, please notify me.

The transaction will take us only 14 working days. Nobody knows about the fund and as such, you must keep the transaction secret within you ok. please do not disclosed it to any body for the security of the fund.
 
Do not disclose this deal to anybody because I want the secret to be between us only. I will give you the text of the application to fill and send to the bank for the release of the fund into your bank account on the receipt of your message.
 
I will be monitoring the whole situation here in the bank until you confirm the money in your bank account and ask me to come down to your country for subsequent sharing of the fund according to percentage indicated above.

You can see the news in bbc regarding their death:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ middle_east/6040054.stm
I will be glad to hear from you as soon as you receive this message as to enable me give you more details about this transaction and text of application to fill and send to the bank.
 
Thanks
Best regard,
Mr.Abubakar Mohummed.


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--=_NextPart_Lycos_194161651385916_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 4 23:11:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D53F3BEB2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=McFt5WmwDag6oG/7rG1Kmoy0EWR2mQxooW3jTPdB7nNOcF9UJCrINFfQ6tbjH4/sYHdSoCZ/kYnoNi22wd5tDbQKN/q9sRKDrCv/9PQPfTCkOW2m7kXL6ZWscapSKL4NNPo7aEwAXILRVcK/wVKzE4Z0wLnEw/Dbkfty9LDBWo4=; X-YMail-OSG: 934VXbwVM1nhoEqFgyvOlIAy0gRWf2hObF6PV8F6vjlnibhaORMTu4Mdm5lfQh1fImZgxKwa2HvpAISuV3JcBRmG.j1fH7YG7kDDq7Ga7nOvKFYC0vpHvEl3jgp4ODHU4X27HDJDq.h0vHd0dJgOutzB9YuhR.q7C814u3hhpN8z9mjP8BfIpPM9w9s- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <001e01c955d1$9fcc1e10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <852622.6997.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812040057p1270f9d6w8ceef5817616c8f9@mail.gmail.com> <857485.19794.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8AD032AD-B914-4751-A4B1-A2B646D5200A@glasswing.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1785492364-1228432261=:17534" Message-ID: <998411.17534.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:11:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-1785492364-1228432261=:17534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Synchronicity is an interesting thing...=0A=0AI only have one nice acoustic= guitar. It's really well set up=A0and I don't want to change=A0the tuning = on it. This morning, as a result of this thread,=A0I was wondering which el= ectric solidbody or semi-hollow or archtop (or should I even use the really= cheap Applause acoustic?) to re-string, and I was wishing I had a differen= t, quality=A0acoustic guitar to try Nashville tuning.=0A=0ALo and behold, 1= 0 minutes ago I got a call from Nashville. The Amistar Tricone Resonator th= at I had ordered like 5 months ago had finally arrived (Amistar's only US d= istributor is in Nashville). So in about a week and a half I will have a ki= ller brass-bodied tricone resophonic monster! :) :) :)=0A=0AAny opinions on= s using a resphonic guitar with this tuning? This=A0is my first resonator, = and I originally ordered it so I would have a killer slide guitar. Do Nashv= ille tuning and slide go together?=0A=0AI suppose I will find out either wa= y!=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: RICHARD= SALES =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:48:52 AM=0ASubject: Re: Alternate Guita= r Tunings (OT)=0A=0ACountry players do this all the time. =A0They call it '= High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the fi= rst three strings in a guitar set). =A0It's really cool. Big jangle =0A=0AR= ICHARD SALES=0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww.richardsales.com=0Awww.hayleysales.c= om=0A=0A=0AOn Dec 4, 2008, at 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote:=0A=0AThis is a= n awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try it asap. The only= question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I imagine this would also= work fine with an electric or semi-hollow body.=0A=0ADecisions, decisions.= ..=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Thursday, December 4, 2= 008 12:57:38 AM=0ASubject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)=0A=0AOnce I wa= s talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular=0Amaybe. Anothe= r good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to=0Achange the thre= e lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the=0Asame but one octave= higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual=0Aand get kind of minimal= chords, never wider than a triad, but with a=0Avery rich and layered tone.= For recording, in a pop band context, this=0Ais an awesome trick. The prob= lem with recording acoustic guitar is=0Aalways that it has too much bass, s= o why not simply take out those too=0Abassy strings and add three more of t= he strings that sound good in a=0Amix together with drums, bass and vocals!= Lush!=0A=0Aper=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARICHARD SALES=0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww= .richardsales.com=0Awww.hayleysales.com=0A=0A=0A --0-1785492364-1228432261=:17534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Synchronicity is an interesting thing...
 
I only have one nice acoustic guitar. It's really well set up and I don't want to change the tuning on it. This morning, as a result of this thread, I was wondering which electric solidbody or semi-hollow or archtop (or should I even use the really cheap Applause acoustic?) to re-string, and I was wishing I had a different, quality acoustic guitar to try Nashville tuning.
 
Lo and behold, 10 minutes ago I got a call from Nashville. The Amistar Tricone Resonator that I had ordered like 5 months ago had finally arrived (Amistar's only US distributor is in Nashville). So in about a week and a half I will have a killer brass-bodied tricone resophonic monster! :) :) :)
 
Any opinions ons using a resphonic guitar with this tuning? This is my first resonator, and I originally ordered it so I would have a killer slide guitar. Do Nashville tuning and slide go together?
 
I suppose I will find out either way!
-George


From: RICHARD SALES <richard@glasswing.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:48:52 AM
Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)

Country players do this all the time.  They call it 'High Strung Guitar' where the lower strings are light gauge (or like the first three strings in a guitar set).  It's really cool. Big jangle

RICHARD SALES


On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:38 AM, George Ludwig wrote:

This is an awesome idea! I'd never heard of it. I will have to try it asap. The only question...which guitar to re-string and set up? I imagine this would also work fine with an electric or semi-hollow body.

Decisions, decisions...

----- Original Message ----
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:57:38 AM
Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)

Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular
maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to
change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the
same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual
and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a
very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, this
is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is
always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those too
bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a
mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush!

per







--0-1785492364-1228432261=:17534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 00:10:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88C833BEB2; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WuY7vs+U85hlSKRYK1LmAD4d3XOeqODravgSf4x7IU3jS+p4fy+QlbBPW/bcRpzKN8OtItUVfNd8uZxTTen8BQnMzT1MQlXQR3+6g2IjCE669jIwDn5sCOO2dufCehRGw+rppoWz2oiYFLowK84GtyN2DlKMtCXypkkASWL6b3Q=; X-YMail-OSG: g9TW3ZEVM1l0s4QgSAjuJx7ZxPj_bOS.6njQrWyWG6XvTOg3_r6BR_FeVvdUk4vSrVcZBk0ZHZhBTZSCVyzMXUbbRWjwg3jMz1I599SAq9w3VNbSPa_mY_mHJQTr52IkaV1uil9GV0oqdL9KbhrCojJQks4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:10:09 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Hey bro, excellent topic Rick ma man! Ive also found myself in the last few years getting involved more in other peoples projects more than on my own.Why that is... i dont know perhaps searching for those inspiring moments which,compared to the older days they dont come as often.But i am also aware that ive joined different musical journeys like looping for ex. and other styles of music since i came to europe,and with bands and family there is also a lot more to deal with now than just sitting by the fire smoking having a beer and playing guitar... But one thing that ive found out definetly is that i become more productive with deadlines because... u all know self discipline is also a big challenge to us artists and musicians.I dont know, but it seems that nowdays altough we have evrything available is jsut as hard as in the old days because we have to take care of a lot more.So we have become "multitask musicians".I remember when i was younger only caring about my guitar,my 3 pedals(chorus,distortion,delay)and not even my amp that much(i would settle with anything that would amplify my guitar;-) but i also remember never having to worry about a fucking P.A. system!It seems to me that a lot of the bars back them had somebody taking care of that department,now most bars dont have them, and such responsability besides traveling expenses should all be automatically included in your fee (and dont you dare ask for too much).I also remeber not caring much about recording or the quality of it... a small tascam multitrack would have me thrilled jumping for days ( mama look thats me singing)but now musicians conversations are more about what software is better,recording sample rates,virtual amp plugins,rocket science etc. than about the wood quality of our instruments, meeting on friday night to jam, buying some beers,rolling a good joint and creating magic together... I remember mostly when iwas learning to play my instrument that i just wanted to be a descent guitar player,perhaps learn the essential rock rhythms and licks required to support and be part of a good band.You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time but when i see all those classic rock bands it seems the last thing they fuckin cared about is the sound system,and although they had limited gear they did so much with it.All i see in those old videos is them pouring passion as if it was their last chance and full of adrenalin(or maybe coke?...) Things have definetly change....it seems everybody is there,independent,with all the latest skills and gear,computer software skills ready to push the limits and be present in every website but it seems to me that not as many are listening... www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Rick Walker wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Subject: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 3:56 PM > I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all > the time. > I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually > read about it > and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly > each time I tell it > and it might be good to go back and read about the original > study so I can > be more accurate in my quoting. > > This may be woefully different than the original (and all > apologies to academics that > I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated > oral history approach that I use telling it > but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big > yarn' version. > > I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original > study!!!! > > . I've googled it without a lot of success. > (oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius > brother) > > For what it's worth, it goes something like this: > > Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study > where they took a large number > of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and > for one year they separated them equally into > to distinct camps. > > The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they > could create purely from inspiration...............not > fearing a bad grade > if they didn't have a large > output....................'just follow your heart' > they were enjoined and only create when > you are inpsired. > > The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had > to turn in a finished piece of work on a weekly basis, > whether they were inspired or > not. Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to > be a constant weekly output. > > At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together > and randomized it; giving it to several prominent art > critics to > critique and rate the art. > > Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO > (constant output with our without inspiration) was judged > to > be 'better art' than the artwork of Camp ONE > (inspiration without necessary constant output). > > ******************* > In the year 2000, I decided, after hearing about this > study, that I was going to attempt a full legnth CD a year > for the rest of my life. > I was successful for the first four years of the decade and > my output has fallen off considerably since then (though I > have 6 completely > different CD projects in various forms of completion > because I also gave my self permission not to worry about > style in my creativity but > to constantly make music and finish individual pieces. > > Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released > recordings in my life over the previous 20 > years..............I was very proud of all > of those recordings. > But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the > best I could, artistically, I realize looking back that > they were just who I was at the time: > works in progress, as it were. > > In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this > decade with that production output philosphy behind me that > I have grown at a vastly more > rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a > musician because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. > > Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of > very creative 'inspirational' output has gone up > significantly using this approach so I think I"m > getting > the best of both worlds. > > The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it > makes it more difficult to market oneself to the world at > large because this approach > encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it > tough for people to categorize your recordings in record > stores and online. > I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that > anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 00:11:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070EB3BEB2; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Return-Receipt-To:Disposition-Notification-To:Message-ID:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=R9n7n0y5WUdtK1MMwnPbiGl10FSzlg2oun6u3XYTiGVd4EYgYrk1FGe8C/oKbNCAvIj1RWludLdZnsP12tBeIjD0hPCmKB9ZKG+DX8ylGFs6JM+A0j0sifuATocdTOgc5Ohvs3CUTm1BtFPXlAqvKc1tts5Wslws+BwJCZFMmvs= ; X-YMail-OSG: PrKzhSgVM1mpWZzg1CXZ8R2ifr46Oa0GQv0zos.lU1xPJBfTss4IWxgLTHIrzQ5GJsLZzsAVfHbev8d0lK3rEFzwpUGBKa0LJx9kj2dSLtOLWWbUcJZTQ1iiFS_zM.IPIwqOWgFynLVGayr_0oT7cgJIQ4fjBZn7SsSnCj95Pbc5DstcSPO4fVU53faj X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1127283926 Disposition-Notification-To:kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Message-ID:<1127283926-1228435878-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-101085931-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT- photo's-Col. Bruce Hampton gig From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:11:06 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone.....(This includes you Luis, Rick and Bill) Haha just kidding brothers!......................................Check out the photo's from my gig with Col. Bruce, let me know what you think! (although they aren't perfectly clear)...........I was scheduled to perform with he and his band, but Col. Bruce unexpectedly ask me to actually open up for him as well, which of course I said YES......got an incredible response (to which I thank GOD for) and did a lot of explaining of "What is a loop station"......Col Bruce is a funny character and was very gracious toward me (maybe it was because of the Kalimba) Haha. Go to www.myspace.com/kevinspears . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 04:19:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4703BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228450750; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=85OCPlud86ddLcwN0oFCIrkSnkc=; b=WZcWAgQRQ5KQdqrlppaK5GSf/ogeSOlNij24Rz8OA1MBBSSI10EG8R5TPlGjW9mo XOe9e76EOsTakqZ13ppUga5Df5SS+pQlmSAa/E0hxWkdSLyEYcNftj8huBB+yCHP; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=pNwhIPgVmWYAjqz9V6wA:9 a=cSYlaJpSGyylOIAzG8YA:7 a=LXxUW0jNTp87yF6GO9i7tPGHKDEA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01c95690$748ce580$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:17:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:19:11 +0000 (UTC) In '67 the kind of amps we wanted were "big amps!" lol Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration > Hey bro, > excellent topic Rick ma man! >I remember when i was younger only caring about my guitar,my 3 >pedals(chorus,distortion,delay)and >not even my amp that much(i would >settle with anything that would amplify my guitar;-) > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Rick Walker wrote: > >> From: Rick Walker >> Subject: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 3:56 PM >> I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all >> the time. >> I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually >> read about it >> and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly >> each time I tell it >> and it might be good to go back and read about the original >> study so I can >> be more accurate in my quoting. >> >> This may be woefully different than the original (and all >> apologies to academics that >> I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated >> oral history approach that I use telling it >> but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big >> yarn' version. >> >> I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original >> study!!!! >> >> . I've googled it without a lot of success. >> (oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius >> brother) >> >> For what it's worth, it goes something like this: >> >> Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study >> where they took a large number >> of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and >> for one year they separated them equally into >> to distinct camps. >> >> The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they >> could create purely from inspiration...............not >> fearing a bad grade >> if they didn't have a large >> output....................'just follow your heart' >> they were enjoined and only create when >> you are inpsired. >> >> The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had >> to turn in a finished piece of work on a weekly basis, >> whether they were inspired or >> not. Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to >> be a constant weekly output. >> >> At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together >> and randomized it; giving it to several prominent art >> critics to >> critique and rate the art. >> >> Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO >> (constant output with our without inspiration) was judged >> to >> be 'better art' than the artwork of Camp ONE >> (inspiration without necessary constant output). >> >> ******************* >> In the year 2000, I decided, after hearing about this >> study, that I was going to attempt a full legnth CD a year >> for the rest of my life. >> I was successful for the first four years of the decade and >> my output has fallen off considerably since then (though I >> have 6 completely >> different CD projects in various forms of completion >> because I also gave my self permission not to worry about >> style in my creativity but >> to constantly make music and finish individual pieces. >> >> Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released >> recordings in my life over the previous 20 >> years..............I was very proud of all >> of those recordings. >> But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the >> best I could, artistically, I realize looking back that >> they were just who I was at the time: >> works in progress, as it were. >> >> In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this >> decade with that production output philosphy behind me that >> I have grown at a vastly more >> rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a >> musician because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. >> >> Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of >> very creative 'inspirational' output has gone up >> significantly using this approach so I think I"m >> getting >> the best of both worlds. >> >> The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it >> makes it more difficult to market oneself to the world at >> large because this approach >> encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it >> tough for people to categorize your recordings in record >> stores and online. >> I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that >> anyway. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 05:34:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B561D3BEB2; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qprkF0BZZkK0vsNOJIyzlZVBywjKtUcbhoVXwyzKUrU=; b=x9LyS90haaSZerTpIe01wJMG7YVcNbGq4P12LiuK/la/MXSv6AQen8PZTWkQV/AioO H4GnrhU7AnogVhitctf6elBwvDehWQtHsBl37W9FxofhTaWCe0hsCw2Cxp3SBmtXxjIU wTRxuXENXn44PRsALmvSsfEWiLz2PRt+NFcu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wrhz3pgwnNQ1ka5Vo81LeWAfV96qVZuulxcNIhxZAkRNgY1SXnoRQrBmoopJlKYTga ZsAnXCi8YZLfXPkV+2AZpghqp06XVCKyYn2K+R7birJjR3Ta/sP2B2xxyP/cc0mB/DFi 7NjCvfSp6y7TDJz8X2CLbrbbTR1XWGa0FdEmQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:29:46 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration In-Reply-To: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Agree with Sjaak... CT-Collective is the best Camp II you can enroll. I use it to create those extra deadlines that push me into danger zone. Good campfire for learning ... nice post Rick, as usual. 2008/11/30, Rick Walker : > I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all the time. > I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually read about it > and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly each time I > tell it > and it might be good to go back and read about the original study so I can > be more accurate in my quoting. > > This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies to > academics that > I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated oral history > approach that I use telling it > but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version. > > I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original study!!!! > > . I've googled it without a lot of success. > (oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius brother) > > For what it's worth, it goes something like this: > > Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study where they took a > large number > of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and for one year they > separated them equally into > to distinct camps. > > The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they could create > purely from inspiration...............not fearing a bad grade > if they didn't have a large output....................'just follow your > heart' they were enjoined and only create when > you are inpsired. > > The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had to turn in a > finished piece of work on a weekly basis, whether they were inspired or > not. Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to be a constant > weekly output. > > At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together and > randomized it; giving it to several prominent art critics to > critique and rate the art. > > Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO (constant output > with our without inspiration) was judged to > be 'better art' than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without > necessary constant output). > > ******************* > In the year 2000, I decided, after hearing about this study, that I was > going to attempt a full legnth CD a year for the rest of my life. > I was successful for the first four years of the decade and my output > has fallen off considerably since then (though I have 6 completely > different CD projects in various forms of completion because I also gave > my self permission not to worry about style in my creativity but > to constantly make music and finish individual pieces. > > Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released recordings in > my life over the previous 20 years..............I was very proud of all > of those recordings. > But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the best I > could, artistically, I realize looking back that they were just who I > was at the time: > works in progress, as it were. > > In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this decade with > that production output philosphy behind me that I have grown at a vastly > more > rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a musician > because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. > > Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of very creative > 'inspirational' output has gone up significantly using this approach so > I think I"m getting > the best of both worlds. > > The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it makes it more > difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach > encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people > to categorize your recordings in record stores and online. > I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that anyway. > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 05:38:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B233BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=HMDU5Ndc7enhuRILdNveoQlS0HV0OuEE+j9/nbSGVU0=; b=PEwjK2/muhca5mTzMoa4B5uMLcgXEqUdNjXBrnZ2kzWcLUqoeICF3tXjUigjhw1ft6 YzT1brYlNARsRLUuNyJDB5LXSBNzJe7KA8WIyYs+fYnAnOjNXY7eSxDnMHZPlHy0OjHq VTN9pBhfzLYZRV8XTVkwB0hcmypm36bnVxk34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gliUiSLzYLE//lKVErZwEFAbn2BfxIk3YZd64P90Ev0v4QbB1gSO77ZVSuMCYjWcXW Do5p4yDAi25wvFZI4Q03y9TdBQfJFJcQa0yLd2glFSt6MGzr6Pcw8hW3CZylMk4Nqw39 FUKGGb46HpkdRxygH8RSQXXE4t5CalcuOuA7o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:38:31 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: learning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:38:32 +0000 (UTC) thinking about Rick's last post on discipline vs. inspiration i'd be willing to know/ask... which's your method(s) for progressing as a musician? where does the principal input comes from that makes you grow? sorry for my rude english. ra=FCl. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 05:48:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6FAF3BEA4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Message-id: <97EFE935524A4B31B99B4AB1EE6D624C@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: learning Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:48:11 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:48:15 +0000 (UTC) I believe that NOT playing for a period of time can help. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: learning thinking about Rick's last post on discipline vs. inspiration i'd be willing to know/ask... which's your method(s) for progressing as a musician? where does the principal input comes from that makes you grow? sorry for my rude english. raül. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 06:26:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFC53BEB2; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_69155037-ac23-4ced-96b5-714b4e9e2de8_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: OT: Stone Playing Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:26:11 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081204171931.2BF893BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081204171931.2BF893BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2008 06:26:11.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D95D140:01C956A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:26:12 +0000 (UTC) --_69155037-ac23-4ced-96b5-714b4e9e2de8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey it's Kitundu playing those stones If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness=2C then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present.Ludwig Wittgenstein --_69155037-ac23-4ced-96b5-714b4e9e2de8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B =3B hey it's Kitundu playing those stones

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If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness=2C then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present.

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= --_69155037-ac23-4ced-96b5-714b4e9e2de8_-- From r5f220@eircom.net Fri Dec 5 06:28:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:28:10 UTC Received: from mail27.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail27.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.223]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 73DDC3BE90 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 98291 messnum 3069751 invoked from network[86.43.60.104/webmail04.webmail.cra.eircom.net]); 5 Dec 2008 06:21:30 -0000 Received: from webmail04.webmail.cra.eircom.net (HELO webmailclassic.eircom.net) (86.43.60.104) by mail27.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 98291) with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 06:21:30 -0000 From: "Zamora Surasak" Reply-To: To: . Subject: Foreign Partner for ASSISTANCE Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:21:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.198.41.11 X-Mailer: Eircom Net CRC Webmail (http://www.eircom.net/) Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) Message-Id: <20081205062810.73DDC3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Dear Friend, My name is Mr.Zamora Surasak This Message Might Meet You In Utmost Surprise. However, It's Just My Urgent Need For Foreign Partner That Made Me To Contact You For ThisTransaction. ,Am Currently Holding The Post Of Regional Foreign Manager of our Bank. I got your contact when i was searching for an overseas partner to assist me through banker's seminar held recently in UK I have the opportunity of transferring the left over funds ($15.million) abandoned From one our Bank clients Account . Hence, i am inviting you for a business deal where this money can be shared between us in the ratio of 50/40 / 10% for any income expenses that will come during the transfer, if you agree to my business proposal. Further details of the transfer will be forwarded to you as soon as i receive your retun mail Mr.Zamora Surasak ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 07:14:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547083BEC3; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: re: Nashville on a tricone Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:14:04 -0800 Message-ID: <8312030C9FFD4ABF91FD39B3B35AA241@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C95666.03475830" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclWqQ44CCp1WhTDSke/89DVmwGlLA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:14:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C95666.03475830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its possible to play slide on a Nashville tuned guitar but you certainly couldn't lay in to it with a heavy slide like you can on a tricone with fat strings tuned to open D or G. I'd go with the later to really experience what a tricone has to offer a bottleneck :-) though Nashville would sound cool on a resonator guitar, talk about chimey.ZIIIING. Save your pennies and get a (used, if you can find one) baby taylor or little martin for the Nashville tuning. Smaller body guitars can bring out the zing in a Nashville tuning. If you try it, use a glass or lighter weight slide to match the thinner strings. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C95666.03475830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Its possible to play slide on a = Nashville tuned = guitar but you certainly couldn’t lay in to it with a heavy slide like you = can on a tricone with fat strings tuned to open D or G. I’d go with the = later to really experience what a tricone has to offer a bottleneck = J  though = Nashville would = sound cool on a resonator guitar, talk about chimey…ZIIIING. Save your = pennies and get a (used, if you can find one)  baby taylor or little martin for the Nashville tuning. Smaller body guitars can bring out the zing in a Nashville tuning. If you try it, use = a glass or lighter weight slide to match the thinner = strings.

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------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C95666.03475830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 07:31:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64ED03BEC3; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , References: <1127283926-1228435878-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-101085931-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Subject: RE: OT- photo's-Col. Bruce Hampton gig Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:31:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <1127283926-1228435878-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-101085931-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thread-Index: AclWp2YNRZyvyMylTfCaMWE/XGJ6XQAA2f+g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:31:20 +0000 (UTC) I'll tell you exactly what I think. You got Game baby!! Congratulations on a well deserved gig. Now what exactly is a Loop station?........one where the trains never leave? Bill -----Original Message----- From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com [mailto:kalimbaman7@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:11 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: OT- photo's-Col. Bruce Hampton gig Hi everyone.....(This includes you Luis, Rick and Bill) Haha just kidding brothers!......................................Check out the photo's from my gig with Col. Bruce, let me know what you think! (although they aren't perfectly clear)...........I was scheduled to perform with he and his band, but Col. Bruce unexpectedly ask me to actually open up for him as well, which of course I said YES......got an incredible response (to which I thank GOD for) and did a lot of explaining of "What is a loop station"......Col Bruce is a funny character and was very gracious toward me (maybe it was because of the Kalimba) Haha. Go to www.myspace.com/kevinspears . Comments welcome, Peace, Love and Looping, -KalimbaMan Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From IMPORTANTE@titolari.cartasi.it Fri Dec 5 08:23:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 974 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:23:15 UTC Received: from lindsey.com (webmail.lindsey.com [70.182.106.194]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7900A3BE90; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [78.4.84.217] by lindsey.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-10.01) id AF2803D8; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:58:32 -0600 From: "CartaSi" Subject: Adesso e’ necessario che Lei ci riconfermi le informazioni del Suo presente conto. Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09.00.33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200812050158673.SM02564@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 08:35:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F233BEC0; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 115887389/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.184.4/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.184.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusAAEd2OElPRrgE/2dsb2JhbAAIzyqDBYN6 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,720,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="115887389" Message-ID: <4938E8B7.5000808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:39:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration References: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:35:10 +0000 (UTC) > You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time but > when i see all those classic rock bands it seems the last thing they f*ckin > cared about is the sound system,and although they had limited gear they did so much with it. Um... Grateful Dead, famous for their innovative "wall of sound" sound system. Pink Floyd, innovators of the quadrophonic pa. Led Zep, well known for the loudest pa. Bands cared about the live sound in those days. What is not ever mentioned is that live sound in the mid 70's was generally much better than it is today, nowadays gigs aren't about that at all. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 08:54:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D6F3BEC0; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4938EC5A.5050509@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:54:50 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: learning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Raul wrote: "......thinking about Rick's last post on discipline vs. inspiration i'd be willing to know/ask... which's your method(s) for progressing as a musician? where does the principal input comes from that makes you grow? sorry for my rude english." Firstly, I think you probably meant 'crude' english, as you have never been rude in this forum. I have to say, paranthetically, that I'm extremely appreciative of all the people from Spain, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Argentina,Mexico, Brazil, Singapore and Japan (and other country that I may have missed) who post on this list all the time without using their native language. We native English speakers owe a tremendous debt to the fact that you've all put so much effort into sharing your wisdom and knowledge with us. Thanks! Now to your query: I have a lot of things that make me grow, many of which I do consciously and a few (and I'll save the best for last) that occur without any part of my own ego or decision. I find that if I push myself to do these things, that I will always grow some (if not a lot) 1) I try to periodically pick up a new instrument and preferably one whose technique for me represents a completely new paradigm of technique from what I already know. I've spent the last year of my life (when not touring or putting on that damned loop festival) chipping away at learning how to play trumpet (and a little flugelhorn, euphonium and conch shell), duduk, zurna and shenai (all double reeded instruments that require more breath than I generally have available to me) and then tentative forays into strumstick, guitar, mandolin, and very, very primitive banjo playing. Right after the start of the new year, I'm going to take some formal violin lessons and perhaps, if I get to it in the year or get a rare chance to see Zoe Keating, some cello lessons. Just yesterday, I spent on hour trying to teach myself 'fiddling' styled bowing techniques on a strumstick and a musical saw (not to successful on that last one there). I don't have a bats chance in hell of being good in my lifetime on any of these instruments but taking them on does a few salient things for my musicality a) It helps me compose for the instruments, once I get a gander at their ranges and technical limitations b) It helps improve my overall confidence as a musician and helps me to be unafraid to tackle anything new: fear has been a huge negative motivator for me in my life; one that I decided I want to confront head on for the sake of my own psyche and for the sake of the depth of my musicality c) It allows me to bring really cool textures and timbres into both my melodic world and my timbral world (I say this because I always like to explore each instrument as a sound source FIRST before I try to explore it as a melodic or timbral source.............I've been really inpsired by players in our community who have exploited a single instrument and created noise sources and drum machines out of single instruments. As an example, I promised myself that I would only do avant garde and experimental things on my pocket trumpet (inspired by Jeff Kaiser and Englands' Paul Shearsmith) when I was learning about the instrument. By the time I could create really weird high shrieking sounds it was not so difficult to get higher pitches on the instrument in a melodic way. d) I get to stay really , really humble all the time e) I get to maintain a sense of what the Buddhists call 'Beginners Mind' f) I get to stay turned on all the time about how fast I'm growing (after 40 plus years work as a trapset drummer it's much harder to stay inspired and it takes much longer to make significant progress technically speaking. This is perhaps a tad immature to admit, but I like to be turned on about creativity all the time. 2) I love to take on a brand new scale, mode, rag or maqam and play it to death for a few weeks until I can play it on several instruments as well as my voice in high and low registers. This really opens up things for me and keeps expanding my world. I have loved modal music (largely third world in origin but not necessarily) and I think essentially this way when I approach music. One way I approach this is by purchasing a record of ethnic music that is exotic and new to my ears and then trying to learn how express myself with the contraints of the scale that they are using. In the past few days I've been listening to this fascinating record of the Master Fiddlers of Dagbon (in Nigeria). These guys play very primitive one string fiddles (in beautiful scales that I haven't sat down yet to figure out). Then they play these hypnotic parts that are all unison and sing over the top of them. They had me bowing everything i could in my house yesterday..............it was an exciting day for me. 3) Another approach is if I play with a musician who really blows me away or otherwise inspires me. I'll just ask them what their favorite scales are and then start to learn them. I have a set of rags that are Deepak Rams favorites. To do an improv show with him he gave me a set of 8 rags and the key signatures he most loved to play them in (different sized Bansuri flutes). I'm still working my way through that. 4) Next, I can just ask my brother Bill to teach me something that he's particularly into in music. He's got such vast harmonic knowledge that he always can show me something that will send me off for weeks to investigate. 5) I buy a new piece of gear ("My name is Rick, I'm a gearaholic."...................."HIGH RICK") or learn a brand new sophisticated (or simple) plugin or effect........ that always provides new knowledge and new inspiration to both play and to grow. Currently I have five pieces of gear (six if you include a computer as an instrument) that I have so much to learn about that it's almost silly to own the stuff. I honestly get off on being a beginner , though, so that's cool----oh those five: Looperlative, Gibson EDP, Kaos Pad 3 -deeper than shit, Boss Slicer and Berhinger Feedback eliminator---that's for an attempt to purposefully control feedback that I"m creating) In terms of things that I don't have control over: 1) the biggest one is the Looping Festival. I learn shitloads every single year. 2) the next is the annual PASIC convention: the best drummers and percussionists in the world all hanging out in one place for four days , once a year. I have the next year of my learning life planned out by only what I saw with framedrummers this past November in Austin, Texas 3) the NAMM show.........always a source for new knowledge. 4) My students. I'm always encouraging them to innovate and think out of the box. and they never fail to inspire me with the creative things they come up with that I would have never thought of 5) going to see shows with loved ones or students , watching music that I"m NOT INTO. I just love getting the contact high of seeing a death metal band with a student and seeing why they love it as much as they do. I get drum chops continually from drummers in styles I"m not deeply into. 6) Going to see fantastic musicians 7) Going to see musicians who are really not very advanced.............this is a bit of negative learning, but I frequently get some of my most creative thoughts about what to do watching bands that are kind of boring to me. 8) There are more, I'm sure but I doubt anyone has read this far anyway................lol! Great thread starter, Raul! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 09:19:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42A6F3BEA9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XBRDW8qML0EnWUIXHLDr9ZlVo/6xOFYxqp96lxh0KjE1XBOXGoffwW1b+kfsfqht+dWj10HIUHWLCmWXfBdjKdTCspMvrSA/B5bIBzHFDYX6iYOVgz5EajP1PmDqTNMHA+F7iN6d6ZUTfMnRMW7nDYQOhVdsW+BLXcve1Il+jyA=; X-YMail-OSG: lOI1xEUVM1mSfrpKASfgRbm2kba3qwDWWcnurswCk6TGN1akmG618.zfKpeMj6RCse2n_B16hACX1uA6oAKhdOawd_BKqAVxWPYfwWGuyl1EEk5g8dwTmCjTjA9GRSpkLo4bbx_tNj3V62CzMecU5N8xxCKckH.khp7qPae4D1blwlkg8iA3QiZxVWgokgTJpItXfaewaSrQIgY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:19:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4938E8B7.5000808@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <885536.81278.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:19:22 +0000 (UTC) yeah but what i am saying is they concentrated more on the music,then others would come and want to be part of them and help them,i dont know that all of that were their own ideas...Pink Floyd had a lof external input from Gilmour pedalboards to their quadraphonic system and stage lightshows,no doubt is a blessing nowdays being able to be in control of every little detail of your career but theres was a sense of more community and colaboration back in those days than now. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 12/5/08, andy butler wrote: > From: andy butler > Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 12:39 AM > > You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time > but when i see all those classic rock bands it seems the > last thing they f*ckin cared about is the sound system,and > although they had limited gear they did so much with it. > > Um... > Grateful Dead, famous for their innovative "wall of > sound" sound system. > Pink Floyd, innovators of the quadrophonic pa. > Led Zep, well known for the loudest pa. > > Bands cared about the live sound in those days. > > What is not ever mentioned is that live sound in the mid > 70's > was generally much better than it is today, > nowadays gigs aren't about that at all. > > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 09:29:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E26153BEC3; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4938F493.6030907@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:29:55 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Rain Down Fire by Rick Graham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0sUMeD.A.XMG.XSPOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:59 +0000 (UTC) I'm doing a lot of emailing tonight and listening to tracks from the brand new release of Northern Irish live looping artist, Ricky Graham, "Rain Down Fire". I'm really thoroughly enjoying this record. It's really sonicaly sophisticated with really delicious choices of timbre in the excellent and professional production. It's also really cool because Ricky has taken on several different styles of pop music and made largely instrumental tracks. He goes from dreamy ambient-ish trip hop to industrial tracks to drum and bass in a way that, amazingly, all feels coherent despite large stylistic leaps. The biggest compliment I can give to this really wonderful outing by a young musician (currently doing his Masters Thesis on Live Looping, by the way) is that these tracks would be fantastic tracks to add pop vocals to. In fact, it would be awesome if he were to do a follow up EP by giving these tracks to some really good singer/songwriters and just have them write lyrics and record them. The tracks are just that good! Check it out. http://www.rickygraham.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 09:39:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D173BEC0; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hYeaeCEU1eTUXCEI1C5C9b3yfaW9uNQH1oXD46q4jMU=; b=BnyMVBGwnUnWunQRDvO5qmheUNT9HtZXnpWVy69bM5DvI0rqfLtNxm2EbCuwti8cwQ Xu7hWK12B4pKNrdsNVJkRgcLhd0CM6hJ2MlCOyzaMVULEU/LVT/36+OZdv3R7cgsLu6x gOuMJ0yZqLy/Eo4NXlN1aVsV/tRYPu+1QzFX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=F/NeZRSevnBt9F6QrbdLjkGN3+UnCCOaSiZLu54H1QViTA00t18ZlbQeo2DZ9KkVOO LwqjJUUty0iuwuIjoPHbtA+/qsrUyneXKuvX2Eo/SmIkB5nE2FJqLgy6x61+90bf7rHJ IEvwAmBWlM6EvI8Rsy8eq389vjCB4ICjxFF8Y= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812050139h492ec7aas7e75f9474eccb079@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:39:14 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:39:15 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Raul Bonell wrote: > ... which's your method(s) for progressing as a > musician? where does the principal input comes from that makes you > grow? Some things that have worked well for me: - Play together with musicians that are more experienced and better than yourself. - Accept difficult tasks and fulfill them (concerts, recordings, compositions) - Never believe that you do not have inspiration. Inspiration is there, as always, inside you. Shut up and go find it! - Alternate between playing different instruments - When you play with others, do not play what they play. Find the "holes" where you can fit something else in. - Apply "questions and answers" attitude to your playing (and composing). - When playing funky, do not play every note. But still THINK them. Just leave them out on your physical instrument but keep the groove within going, and your ass will follow.... ;-) - When playing, do not listen to your own instrument but to everything around it. - When playing, do not concentrate on the present moment. Try listening to the music that will happen ten seconds into the future. - Do not play your instrument - play your music! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 10:01:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71883BEC3; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=T1RnEEY/+EwdtwpvnxDBJZeBrLqPU1cIjeRcUIuBE8w=; b=J6ZlWm+5VrfvgjbP2mGXx8NyaswuOaW5FcFw8cYleiU5NXnUTJhW9/kOjamYQwpTVG ErckGe/u4uYl5LwiIsRQ/DSzpgaK0e+ZvWMZg9zI3U5CVgdmBloNBBLdAO1PK5VuPMPV PoW2qYM2+Z8VHzZbFwq3SIsuJZcYHW+xVbOnM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=UyyQqCx+z2xSSUbXpWwrezrXFJjKEdtEFolGVLyOCebHYCxDTFSgNbR/ngj8NntOZr ubwmgcEP5lQJ6aMV+8GF84DEQo5iKCLbPtFHfIBvaR+CMqzHocnDakdOQZiC4JrLOnFL pDpAHC2c3Zdbu1B3gheN6vT/0Q8bxWLkWfTEA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:01:21 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: slicing audio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 810252bdbc624693 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:01:22 +0000 (UTC) hi everyone, I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. However, if the process really does require dragging clips to arrange view and zooming in repeatedly and positioning markets, I'd much rather get a plugin or other program to do my splicing with - is Propellerheads' Recycle still good? If not, any alternative recommendations would be much appreciated. I'd prefer to do it all in live if possible though. Thanks, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 10:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314853BEC3; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Rop4O6T++rEo9hmprIfMmvJ6x0+Ls5zxreSc4IbRP7c=; b=Dn5IT5UPDMELDargN+X4e4EgKYHBl5JpOfXrEjx3WCZlCMrExlgl/bur6aAOiRP+R2 LMjBBurkzJdgnk/nkQsIaOAg3zaOB2isY+O17ArVCgXOKcn9mMHwWEwMgYdkhc7kVeRt HHSexOfRWO9xDTpShtq0CuoGuobkdsvul2A84= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HEAY5WnkiZsyuacxPIq8nt5zwRU7+D6+rmiHHnOs9oMOl/FtyYs5y3jF8YxCAwdmku VVQR5o2PXUtxbtcJh0DoU7I3v6SujGsz5x450CvaeD+g7fpgFcwKtcGCl/SMbu6F6xFt L7WZuEsa/Tglh4SNFwbVqO1VvSe0nNZc8iX14= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812050213g2f4c3d9dn2fb32fc403267fff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:13:43 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slicing audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Hey Nick, why not try slicing a stream instead of a file? Ableton Live would be the excellent tool for that! This technique is based setting up MIDI clips as "slicer templates". Then you send the signal somewhere to be recorded but on the way it should be routed through some object (volume, noise gate, filer cut-off... there are many options) that is being manipulated by the Slicer Template MIDI clip. You can then assign the Slicer MIDI Clips to pedals or computer keys and play them in realtime to mess with the slicing. If you are using a Mac you can send any track's MIDI output to the IAC Bus and have that fetched as the input to another track where the MIDI events are MIDI learned to manipulate certain slicing objects. If you don't already know about "Clip Envelopes" you should also check that out in the manual. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Nick wrote: > hi everyone, > > I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in > ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently > using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to > the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end > points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. > The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I > see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample > editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or > similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. > If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to > do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. > > However, if the process really does require dragging clips to arrange > view and zooming in repeatedly and positioning markets, I'd much > rather get a plugin or other program to do my splicing with - is > Propellerheads' Recycle still good? If not, any alternative > recommendations would be much appreciated. I'd prefer to do it all in > live if possible though. > > Thanks, > Nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 11:06:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0BA3BEC9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:06:28 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclWyYVtsbjN/q5hRNuSwUQ+1+M4kA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:06:31 +0000 (UTC) I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful = gig! As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained = prerecorded sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the = table from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG=20 http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally = produced those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard = from NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know what I mean and how this is done? Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting = results? all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ... One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=E5kon Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an = extensive solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing = techniques that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love saxophone loops! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 11:56:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B244A3BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=0CG05AvJQD+e4DgoJOOBsnGbDUX1npK1o8L7nDrvj+o=; b=uDXXQfThcwwOfa+j1H/w61QhV+dyLBZXkGvXFd6ss5t5S3Rg2ckZqUsIoomW4lo5hX O1NcMi3zHrwtucnPo/W8NiRRashTuCtr+IoUcFQUWezOaNV2HIbxQ+cu8koWwSerSjaU nhPJTAU6+/aoNs1U8fik+IapTyLlE1mxcOHZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OiUzqaNdcpNsUeD1bEGL2Z7amNjSIeMq1cRFYZWMvNJmdoKU7KeCx5J11JO5J9knNu DIifREys9dJMfng4Cn6Nog2L6HgwSRShY13CCMFhVversYHLu5/KwRU9BlTjSAkn12nO HVaXnwYhGpvG5olP65rHJEu8RxVHQTyLToH8Q= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812050356h6df0006sd4524d3633c2cee0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:56:04 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51194_19111804.1228478164686" References: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ef5a764af0d8c42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:56:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51194_19111804.1228478164686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes I use the Bitrman quite extensively... nasty little plastic box that it is, that needs to not be in your signal when not working... and not on the floor... and silly AC psu (hate alesis for that.. and the vortex.. and digitech... actually alot of my pedals.. annoying..) And YES its that ultra grunged up till it falls apart. I LOVE the sound of ultra distortion WHEN i= t has a tad of reverb... completely wonderful. m On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and > inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gig= ! > > As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing > from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained prerecorded > sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide > range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly > beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the tabl= e > from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an > Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some > more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? > > http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG > http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG > > I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally > produced > those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard fr= om > NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal > distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know > what I mean and how this is done? > > Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting results? > all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ... > > One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=E5kon > Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an > extensive > solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing techniqu= es > that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a > repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love > saxophone loops! > > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_51194_19111804.1228478164686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes I use the Bitrman quite extensively... nasty little plastic box that it= is, that needs to not be in your signal when not working... and not on the= floor... and silly AC psu (hate alesis for that.. and the vortex.. and dig= itech... actually alot of my pedals.. annoying..) And YES its that ultra gr= unged up till it falls apart. I LOVE the sound of ultra distortion WHEN it = has a tad of reverb... completely wonderful.

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Mi= chael Peters <mp@mpet= ers.de> wrote:
I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze an= d
inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gig!<= br>
As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained prerecorded sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide
range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly
beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the table<= br> from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone?

htt= p://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG
htt= p://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG

I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally produce= d
those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard = from
NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal
distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know what I mean and how this is done?

Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting results? all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ...

One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=E5kon
Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an ext= ensive
solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing techniques=
that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a
repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love
saxophone loops!


Michael
www.michaelpeters= .de




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_51194_19111804.1228478164686-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 12:05:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F0803BEC5; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=u97ReISL4GLc4P+F/Ft5NulzTqWIfRmfyfyZhURgmQ4=; b=GWvJ3C5Q4PR/Q7ch1M7ziiSdUyTSDVH59krpHdKvLL5S3t+jRwFANDt8BUqYXt2qhf YYoG+v/0hD5xUOIY2CPqerlDUCtJ7cIgJ2E8ADudsfGmCsCHIOE/MB76OYcmUyWoasSb H13lQ1o0VkKFSkvdpRkca37UtgFw0//1HAMUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LRWVhno6T6tqAv3XCsL7VMiN7zcYRMA8KbFD0gz4xA7yCYfg5G25l8DyZlt59Omi25 Q+42M/pKtxAhNJjgcs2fBwH0Ap3bnJCZ3hkYlXZVxuFnIqtxNlUlu80wXFbc4N4rT7Cm zlBG/lYuUIEQu0DcS+A7TjGkdCJzV3XAmtSHU= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812050405i72f69f08mea0d61b0cdc38d45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:05:04 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:05:05 +0000 (UTC) > from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an > Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some > more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? The ZVex ist the Vertex version of the Fuzz Factory, custom-hand-painted on as it seems. The "more fuzz boxes" include a Boss OD-2, a T-Rex Comp Nova and a Rat Turbo Rat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 12:08:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 389933BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RSj4KvAtPnDE1ucqSeDLaTxM2qX3TB4CM6Ut0i7S32A=; b=SC90ee4qtn6kxO2oHLxIf4Maolg6w7gKyzjD5BJTOFTj9KcDKT5/PzT8moJLIXgUtH YlfeDsZsuXhcXSc6NdVovFYo1sNulJuMTTS6Z9J+B1KIE2PqI0VWxEiOVL/qY7RlcLTe NhsIV5drsluKz9o+BZbAph8EUQEqfefs5bt8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wLvccl+QGs4FGYg7btrmf0sQh9d6pEMMmTMLEHZWY+Wk7GJ7lFywWl7cLUyFYhZhyZ mvBO1x52u7XUWI00b+VTOaqm0W2oLgCdiH+5yDVHNEf/sv2Uh3rxZbYUJG0wnp7uXQNA fmiZ0jpHr/KpkMC1qy8aq3raNX7pHragYnZIg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812050408q4a68b628jcd5337760c79f8ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:08:58 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812050356h6df0006sd4524d3633c2cee0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <9ab0c76f0812050356h6df0006sd4524d3633c2cee0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_pv9R.A.D8D.bnROJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:08:59 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Michael and Marc. Have always been a huge fan of Pete Cosey's "almost falling apart" guitar sound. ;-) http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D26242 I like the dist + filtering of an AKAI MFC42 for guitar. Very grainy! per On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:56 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Yes I use the Bitrman quite extensively... nasty little plastic box that = it > is, that needs to not be in your signal when not working... and not on th= e > floor... and silly AC psu (hate alesis for that.. and the vortex.. and > digitech... actually alot of my pedals.. annoying..) And YES its that ult= ra > grunged up till it falls apart. I LOVE the sound of ultra distortion WHEN= it > has a tad of reverb... completely wonderful. > > m > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and >> inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gi= g! >> >> As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing >> from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained prerecorde= d >> sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide >> range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly >> beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the tab= le >> from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an >> Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some >> more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? >> >> http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG >> http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG >> >> I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally >> produced >> those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard >> from >> NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal >> distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know >> what I mean and how this is done? >> >> Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting results= ? >> all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ... >> >> One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=E5kon >> Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an >> extensive >> solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing >> techniques >> that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a >> repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love >> saxophone loops! >> >> >> Michael >> www.michaelpeters.de >> > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 12:35:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9645B3BECD; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4939200F.2030102@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:35:27 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I'm just loving Aarset's music as well, Per.............so jealous that you got a chance to see him. I'm actually in corespondance with him about possibly headling Y2K9 next year. Wish me luck!!! If I can raise the dough , he's game to come. Also, just because I just bought one, I'm guessing that the ZVEX in his rig is the FUZZ FACTORY. It's the exact same size as mine with the same box and button configuration. It is an astonishingly great fuzz box. ZVEX couldn't keep up with the demand so he started to farm out some of his pedals to Thailand, apparently, with the exact same parts. Mine cost $175 USD instead of the normal $250 for an American built one and $325 for one he built with his custom paint job. Frankly, I hate the graphics on his pedals so I just got the cheap Thai one. His pedals are so wonderful and inventive, I wish I had them all, but whoaaaaaa, the price! It has a noise gate, a compressor, a comb filter and a fuzz on it and you can get anything from the most syrupy smooth fuzz in the world or something that is so awful that I actually like it I am in love with the pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 12:41:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488143BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49392199.8090902@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:42:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Ooops, quick addendum, I replied immediately upon looking at your .jpegs before I finished your post, Michael. The Bitrman is GOD!!!!!!!! Just talke to the Bitrman king, Michael Klobuchar. It has so much fucked up shit in it (lo fi, bit reduction, distorition.............it's an amazing piece of gear. It also has a mind of it's own at times...............ask Michael for the low down, he uses it much more than I do. If you can't find one used, the Alesis Ineko has many of the same algorithms in it including a lot of 'deterioration' algorithms, bit reduction, low fi, etc.) Also, there are settings on the ZVEX FUZZ FACTORY that when a guitar chord rings out............the sound just falls apart almost like grains of the sound drop out increasingly. I love this effect. Lately I've been using an open tuned fretless stratocaster going through the FUZZ FACTORY with this 'deterioration' setting and then through an octaver set to two octaves below. I hit a huge open chord and then play the Octave pedal rhythmically until the FUZZ FACTORY just makes the sound cut completely out. It's a killer sound. try one. you'll like it!!!!! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:42:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677683BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=svU1d41DBNnT8L7Hw3AA:9 a=MBCI3AUzVRqZ_CcBja4A:7 a=dxsVVMzZq3ZjCPVPw3gOjTgRdVAA:4 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4938E8B7.5000808@tiscali.co.uk> References: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4938E8B7.5000808@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24C0219D-4D4D-40B4-90F3-0DC5B9158E44@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:42:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the Grateful Dead and Alembic were some of the first musicians to utilize advanced filters and other high end electronics within there instruments. This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older guys can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks weren't just props like they are today. These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when only drums and vox went through the PA? On Dec 5, 2008, at 3:39 AM, andy butler wrote: >> You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time but when >> i see all those classic rock bands it seems the last thing they >> f*ckin cared about is the sound system,and although they had >> limited gear they did so much with it. > > Um... > Grateful Dead, famous for their innovative "wall of sound" sound > system. > Pink Floyd, innovators of the quadrophonic pa. > Led Zep, well known for the loudest pa. > > Bands cared about the live sound in those days. > > What is not ever mentioned is that live sound in the mid 70's > was generally much better than it is today, > nowadays gigs aren't about that at all. > > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:44:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D843A3BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=8O6ZOXhNAAAA:8 a=ULnE82b34YV4e_ahtcsA:9 a=1okSrWuhVS_s3NXixj0A:7 a=g5POD-iUtrdtpwsepWOxZoTEkCQA:4 a=_0KwU6TJbP0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=8y7tGHue6YMA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812050139h492ec7aas7e75f9474eccb079@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812050139h492ec7aas7e75f9474eccb079@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: learning Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:44:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per. I am so in a rut right now. These tips are great. On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Raul Bonell > wrote: >> ... which's your method(s) for progressing as a >> musician? where does the principal input comes from that makes you >> grow? > > Some things that have worked well for me: > > - Play together with musicians that are more experienced and better > than yourself. > - Accept difficult tasks and fulfill them (concerts, recordings, > compositions) > - Never believe that you do not have inspiration. Inspiration is > there, as always, inside you. Shut up and go find it! > - Alternate between playing different instruments > - When you play with others, do not play what they play. Find the > "holes" where you can fit something else in. > - Apply "questions and answers" attitude to your playing (and > composing). > - When playing funky, do not play every note. But still THINK them. > Just leave them out on your physical instrument but keep the groove > within going, and your ass will follow.... ;-) > - When playing, do not listen to your own instrument but to everything > around it. > - When playing, do not concentrate on the present moment. Try > listening to the music that will happen ten seconds into the future. > - Do not play your instrument - play your music! > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 13:58:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636893BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Return-Receipt-To:Disposition-Notification-To:Message-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; 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Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=q1lI51y4gLnC23BE5EzVSdfH3EQqFDL9nmXmWOpUFUs=; b=Lc7Py41sjs/4nHtsXgOgYNm1LydM9dd7EZR3ybUYbMZM7lmWpqadGRfrv4CZcPB9mD 1RpdRXwuBrzH/RHvY7XiDijGaesgI1X5cODHKYTyeG5yzc0UuQ3sqH2t04jAZhkAxYWU M/Vb7cpgoP4RFRAn0yuCDw/ygzJKGxXkrcocA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=hv8bdurrk4hcvQSpvkHyAygWHr2b/X0QFWU98a1ghdtl6gqH4QWAjUSO4yDIpXScNh xajoDN0Ycdi6GybAJEpHqm+A6iRmMrA39ty8+kx+lCKo9Uq8kNpawlz9Ckj8yFkPj83K K9JTmoQ/OQ0GGf2WjKMmi0edRelvj3eNjE/r4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:19:05 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration In-Reply-To: <24C0219D-4D4D-40B4-90F3-0DC5B9158E44@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24046_28717784.1228490345504" References: <268840.13740.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4938E8B7.5000808@tiscali.co.uk> <24C0219D-4D4D-40B4-90F3-0DC5B9158E44@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:19:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24046_28717784.1228490345504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when >only drums and vox went through the PA? It very much depended on where in the audience you were. I started going to concerts in 1977. I was into being at the front of the stage. The sound there pretty much sucked. All you could hear was the guitar and bass amps. I saw ZZTop, all I could hear was Billy G. Jefferson Starship. Cool, but I couldn't hear Grace at all. The more shows I went to, the more I realized that the best place to stand (if it was festival style seating) was as close to the soundboard as you could get. The good party was in the front, the good sound was not. I think everything going through the PA gives a better distributed sound through out the venue. You'll still get good spots and bad, but the range from good to bad is not so severe. Some of the best sounding shows I've ever been to have been recently. Tool, King Crimson, Rush, Dream Theater. And the worst were back in the 70's - Van Halen, Starship. Though there were some outstanding sounding shows back then too. As long as I wasn't in party central by the stage. :) On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Yeah, the Grateful Dead and Alembic were some of the first musicians to > utilize advanced filters and other high end electronics within there > instruments. > > This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older guys > can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks weren't > just props like they are today. > These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when > only drums and vox went through the PA? > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 3:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > > You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time but when i see >>> all those classic rock bands it seems the last thing they f*ckin cared about >>> is the sound system,and although they had limited gear they did so much with >>> it. >>> >> >> Um... >> Grateful Dead, famous for their innovative "wall of sound" sound system. >> Pink Floyd, innovators of the quadrophonic pa. >> Led Zep, well known for the loudest pa. >> >> Bands cared about the live sound in those days. >> >> What is not ever mentioned is that live sound in the mid 70's >> was generally much better than it is today, >> nowadays gigs aren't about that at all. >> >> >> andy butler >> >> >> > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_24046_28717784.1228490345504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when
>only drums and vox went through the PA?

It very much depended on where in the audience you were.  I started going to concerts in 1977.  I was into being at the front of the stage.  The sound there pretty much sucked.  All you could hear was the guitar and bass amps.  I saw ZZTop, all I could hear was Billy G.  Jefferson Starship.  Cool, but I couldn't hear Grace at all.  The more shows I went to, the more I realized that the best place to stand (if it was festival style seating) was as close to the soundboard as you could get.  The good party was in the front, the good sound was not.

I think everything going through the PA gives a better distributed sound through out the venue.  You'll still get good spots and bad, but the range from good to bad is not so severe. 

Some of the best sounding shows I've ever been to have been recently.  Tool, King Crimson, Rush, Dream Theater.  And the worst were back in the 70's - Van Halen, Starship.  Though there were some outstanding sounding shows back then too.  As long as I wasn't in party central by the stage. :)


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Yeah, the Grateful Dead and Alembic were some of the first musicians to utilize advanced filters and other high end electronics within there instruments.

This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older guys can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks weren't just props like they are today.
These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when only drums and vox went through the PA?

On Dec 5, 2008, at 3:39 AM, andy butler wrote:

You know, i am not a hippie and wasnt born in that time but  when i see all those classic rock bands it seems the last thing they f*ckin cared about is the sound system,and although they had limited gear they did so much with it.

Um...
Grateful Dead, famous for their innovative "wall of sound" sound system.
Pink Floyd, innovators of the quadrophonic pa.
Led Zep, well known for the loudest pa.

Bands cared about the live sound in those days.

What is not ever mentioned is that live sound in the mid 70's
was generally much better than it is today,
nowadays gigs aren't about that at all.


andy butler






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Tony
------=_Part_24046_28717784.1228490345504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 15:40:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32FC13BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IIuXou2FyBrwoQ1DH4mKfwLcJ9sN0dcdd1P1y1O4ixw=; b=hG3rxBIxSvIOwpRpUHnlRSnYM7HQuXUF58d1xBscpsaeYvM+Ihgof5EkShtTjdRK6z MYVlOs52Ho59SLIUZRCPfSKE8qQXfX9M6RSax864CnTzT/dZnWXTUGR7vzLGkm1ZPkf3 9ckeiCp6aBLmrAO08SC5WlxqTb0j0mabbGYLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Jtw6qYxDO/JgrraWEJun/Ky7el4LdqOeKvEV6jTbFn9myZX9bpItAcTbc6zbanXeB5 xgs7p+9DXv8/5Uks0UiTz6jFACBD1cd28Br8q4rPmXruQfKwEI1MaSWXJTcaLErkGJ+3 /TMIUxF46M5f7VeZd+AXYxTHFpYgHZ+EwNLqs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:40:33 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47214_22470937.1228491633393" References: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_47214_22470937.1228491633393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline oh michael, you're a lucky man! i'm a huge fan of Eivind and he's a bit of an influence on me...i think he's a total genius when it come to processing and a wonderful player, too On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and > inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gig! > > ------=_Part_47214_22470937.1228491633393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline oh michael, you're a lucky man!

i'm a huge fan of Eivind and he's a bit of an influence on me...i think he's a total genius when it come to processing and a wonderful player, too

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and
inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gig!

------=_Part_47214_22470937.1228491633393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 15:42:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0663BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:43:26 EST Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c88.3c6bc85f.366aa61e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:42:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c88.3c6bc85f.366aa61e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/08 7:42:19 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > The Bitrman is GOD!!!!!!!! > funny you should put it that way rikeeeee.....thinking not only of this thread but also the one "rude" raul posted.....:).....starting with the "learning" thread: just yesterday i was thinking that i want nothing on my plate, deadlines freak me out, knowing that i have to be somewhere next wednesday makes me nervous, i can't sleep, i get weird and anxious.....so.....when i try to be creative, i just sit down and hit the BIG BUTTON, up comes all the blinky lites and it's off to the races......for the longest while, with the aid of THE BITRMAN and my other boxes, i have become addicted to listening to the "voices" arising from a signal being sent into filters etc. throw in some looping and i'm listening ffor the VOICE OF GOD, always hoping i don't hear "turn that shit off!"......now for the BITRMAN: a great box!.....right now, i use 2 pre-loop, my guitar has 2 outs (buckers/piezo), the bucker out goes to zoom 2100> digi (XP300) space station>bitrman>mixer.....the piezo out goes into bitrman> mixer.....then it's off to krazy electrix land then pre and post rang ineko goofiness.....but the biterman: i like how they pre-amp the incoming signal so it's one more volume control to help fine tune a "sound".....the "dual phasor" knob is sweet, adds a good deal of STEREO spread that you can control the speed of, with 2 you can play these back and forth against each other.....slower speeds it sounds flangy, higher speeds lead to more extreme sounds.....the last button "the bitrman" button gets you onto the krazy train: comb/decimator/bit reduction/FM/ring mod/freq shift.....michael, there is a small universe here that can be used, but "hands only", none of that sissy midi vodoo.....:).....tons of control and once again using two in conjuncture with the INEKOS, both pre and post loop, i have just been inputting a few notes then its off to knob city for some twist and shout.....bottom line: if i were to see an INEKO or a BITRMAN for sale or trade i would go for it, what would i pay? i hope i don't have to find out!.....if i recall correctly, mr. davignon is a bitman, alesis user.....there are many of us and i have never heard of any bitrman shortcomings.....in fact, mine is calling me now!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --part1_c88.3c6bc85f.366aa61e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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(http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c88.3c6bc85f.366aa61e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 15:46:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30CE53BECA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vC+X9gbkdWBanQZq91p0iskWlE9dR/Kzdfe1FFf1Gc4=; b=xCcYIDAngrIrKyg+VOdxOS6vTKiz38P+Y5J/cUJity9BX74i+EIJK7jEJ6CJMO/T+J rJxss6DPAVBYiLfNIIDtj5uMm1HSz04ognaSjgo6oXVDHFJQ/nWLF0B9SDGQdWtD5tY/ X7bhEiIAGrwL9w6ZpRghDwYLKheJsJre5wMEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Hnq7mVxWVe1k/zPGvp1D2hswlToPu+r0S2WVZ/MKEmqe6BUM3yB26nnZrxtDUan8aq cZ59WvgNXoyaKlxPSZj/YlCGPWWYlAzPB+JSeyOB7PAPvvvo2ssGcq8MRA//hTTQH/Ic MdpoTOjfzjp2tvfoQyRBrGOi4zOjv0eO5R6Fw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:46:17 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24381_28195457.1228491977843" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24381_28195457.1228491977843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I bought the entire ModFX set before it was discontinued. Love 'em all. Don't use the MetaVox much though. I need to play with it more. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:43 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 12/5/08 7:42:19 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > > > The Bitrman is GOD!!!!!!!! > > > funny you should put it that way rikeeeee.....thinking not only of this > thread but also the one "rude" raul posted.....:).....starting with the > "learning" thread: just yesterday i was thinking that i want nothing on my > plate, deadlines freak me out, knowing that i have to be somewhere next > wednesday makes me nervous, i can't sleep, i get weird and > anxious.....so.....when i try to be creative, i just sit down and hit the > BIG BUTTON, up comes all the blinky lites and it's off to the races......for > the longest while, with the aid of THE BITRMAN and my other boxes, i have > become addicted to listening to the "voices" arising from a signal being > sent into filters etc. throw in some looping and i'm listening ffor the > VOICE OF GOD, always hoping i don't hear "turn that shit off!"......now for > the BITRMAN: a great box!.....right now, i use 2 pre-loop, my guitar has 2 > outs (buckers/piezo), the bucker out goes to zoom 2100> digi (XP300) space > station>bitrman>mixer.....the piezo out goes into bitrman>mixer.....then > it's off to krazy electrix land then pre and post rang ineko > goofiness.....but the biterman: i like how they pre-amp the incoming signal > so it's one more volume control to help fine tune a "sound".....the "dual > phasor" knob is sweet, adds a good deal of STEREO spread that you can > control the speed of, with 2 you can play these back and forth against each > other.....slower speeds it sounds flangy, higher speeds lead to more extreme > sounds.....the last button "the bitrman" button gets you onto the krazy > train: comb/decimator/bit reduction/FM/ring mod/freq shift.....michael, > there is a small universe here that can be used, but "hands only", none of > that sissy midi vodoo.....:).....tons of control and once again using two in > conjuncture with the INEKOS, both pre and post loop, i have just been > inputting a few notes then its off to knob city for some twist and > shout.....bottom line: if i were to see an INEKO or a BITRMAN for sale or > trade i would go for it, what would i pay? i hope i don't have to find > out!.....if i recall correctly, mr. davignon is a bitman, alesis > user.....there are many of us and i have never heard of any bitrman > shortcomings.....in fact, mine is calling me now!.....:)m > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in > one place. Try it now. ( > http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_24381_28195457.1228491977843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I bought the entire ModFX set before it was discontinued.  Love 'e= m all.  Don't use the MetaVox much though.  I need to play wi= th it more.


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10= :43 AM, <Nemogui= tt@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 12/5/08 7:42:19 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


The Bitrman is GOD!!!!!= !!!


funny you should = put it that way rikeeeee.....thinking not only of this thread but also the = one "rude" raul posted.....:).....starting with the "learnin= g" thread: just yesterday i was thinking that i want nothing on my pla= te, deadlines freak me out, knowing that i have to be somewhere next wednes= day makes me nervous, i can't sleep, i get weird and anxious.....so....= .when i try to be creative, i just sit down and hit the BIG BUTTON, up come= s all the blinky lites and it's off to the races......for the longest w= hile, with the aid of THE BITRMAN and my other boxes, i have become addicte= d to listening to the "voices" arising from a signal being sent i= nto filters etc. throw in some looping and i'm listening ffor the VOICE= OF GOD, always hoping i don't hear "turn that shit off!"....= ..now for the BITRMAN: a great box!.....right now, i use 2 pre-loop, my gui= tar has 2 outs (buckers/piezo), the bucker out goes to zoom 2100> digi (= XP300) space station>bitrman>mixer.....the piezo out goes into bitrma= n>mixer.....then it's off to krazy electrix land then pre and post r= ang ineko goofiness.....but the biterman: i like how they  pre-amp th= e incoming signal so it's one more volume control to help fine tune a &= quot;sound".....the "dual phasor" knob is sweet, adds a good= deal of STEREO spread that you can control the speed of, with 2 you can pl= ay these back and forth against each other.....slower speeds it sounds flan= gy, higher speeds lead to more extreme sounds.....the last button "the= bitrman" button gets you onto the krazy train: comb/decimator/bit red= uction/FM/ring mod/freq shift.....michael, there is a small universe here t= hat can be used, but "hands only", none of that sissy midi vodoo.= ....:).....tons of control and once again using two in conjuncture with the= INEKOS, both pre and post loop, i have just been inputting a few notes the= n its off to knob city for some twist and shout.....bottom line: if i were = to see an INEKO or a BITRMAN for sale or trade i would go for it, what woul= d i pay? i hope i don't have to find out!.....if i recall correctly, mr= . davignon is a bitman, alesis user.....there are many of us and i have nev= er heard of any bitrman shortcomings.....in fact, mine is calling me now!..= ...:)m

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------=_Part_24381_28195457.1228491977843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:22:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B410A3BEC9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=XaPoccXrhNW0HF7GRjpHXzwK8tP71OZmIFQWjbbJn5s=; b=s+NmJ9If+U5NlX6p0JZ/ctj/fp2z2j73LtxZoO1hcriOr4JbmuZdDhC+gwun3Iz7GX IBQmPtlev3DtVbz4/daJWt6ATlwpDwIdr/dF+AwIq1E58ce2vD34s//iyf+DkqEwAmlj WPUJSpHFAvKhHisqqUX+xTvmpIXBxDhmsFkv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V5HuudYUb0qCQwsaV5KnFAVvLaWqVi7LDHr5FDGp/hGETnEFBxWiqA7IdkZRyyvIeL h/hnRAQBrWSdDpH0pCRxkrmYIWi0zc8JjMshAibYriCqOQNnQLJWyo7LmSKWtL2kEqci EE2lPw+H60mX/C8ZNotKgySrCYfk8OxTlaJXw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: slicing audio Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:22:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:22:09 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Nick wrote: > I > see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample > editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or > similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. > If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to > do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. There is a tutorial, I think it is part of the software package and at the Ableton site, that shows how to create beats in Impulse -- I think the .mov is called Beat Creation or Creating Beats -- where in session view you just select a sample from the waveform zoom and then iirc, option/click drag it straight into Impulse, no sliders or menus needed. Or perhaps I do not understand your question. :-) BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:39:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703AA3BEC7; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 19579 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:39:54 UTC Message-ID: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:13:27 +0000 From: Owen Green User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slicing audio References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nick, In session view, if you right click in the clip once you've set your loop points, there's an option called 'crop sample'. This will create a new file that you can do what you wish with. hth Owen Nick wrote: > hi everyone, > > I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in > ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently > using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to > the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end > points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. > The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I > see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample > editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or > similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. > If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to > do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:43:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0B2B3BECA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=dXronImFFCtFSc3PxN8eQw04Ax6c53WShIlJt2tHoRc=; b=rzJCLdJ7DUAcAS5H46mQ+0pWPZz5bAER09zWmD2SyAxbvbIDBh+DARnILYZEk3B0L1 6x3l7SKpk5IScbeXoXeYFptlP2f7xg0LxUCAZY6NDsJwAu/K+2nJt5UUIS0WWQJZfBcx Ni0mLPbQPF379/mFcpuFRo1m2mZtQy0c/CdxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=m78oqWy/HreQN7+kgFeQM7k/lbi2jFPY5E4Dg7DHAMOrVElJjVWqz07P4/oNX33CEd JZV1J+TLtPPjOybqgl48RcxSLc9Av3i1VS/jVgMH9hHDEXxHjBYhJNpkQqSKb+q65CAe o9azZwEpYDHwgMwgFGCFfTRUzFeYGUrTToFeA= Message-ID: <49395A20.8060500@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:43:12 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > where does the principal input comes from that makes you grow? 1. Listening, 2. Friends, 3. Failure... In that order, don't stop listening and don't forget your friends while you fail... Find musicians as friends, listen to their music, not necessarily to their words... (don't listen to me...;-) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 16:59:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39E53BEC9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228496383; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=wnujIYOjR7z2hde7Wni4sKJF88o=; b=TTdH3AWhjXVjhh9u7kXxRUIYaRoSHou/69ju8r/3VVGYEk+O8xUgnmQ3TcfMczDF WrLWXOva/X4Z0WZkA6fRwuJHAlLNSfFvzAuDSSHUob7/v9FGSayk/MioKiYioQ8Z; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=he7zspscAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=8xESwdUgAAAA:8 a=vV5UP6KgGFCeubf0OuAA:9 a=NMoSM3qI1gIYPRGqwvkA:7 a=vjIaE1jhHqwDElXwvS2Tx1HS04wA:4 a=W4p2O1RRCiKvpHYRjpyNxtl0mxk=:19 a=a6jMveK8vKgA:10 a=mlBSKk8TmuwA:10 a=0GXzayXv4hcA:10 a=iA6jqQkP7qMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <0B.86.14864.EFD59394@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> To: "'Michael Peters'" , "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: RE: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclW8fRbbOqVCnBjRdSs3EP7a9U7PwAB6G6g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Nice! Two Summers (three?) ago I had the pleasure of seeing Nils-Petter = Molvaer at Central Park's Summerstage in NYC. Eivind was an integral part of the = band, playing his thing...the band was groovin' a heavy beat, samples, etc. = and Nils was at his finest. Well, about a 1/2 hour into the performance, I see the sidestage = personnel making the "cut, cut" gesture to the entire band, like it was time to = "wrap it up" and bring on the next band. The 'next band' was Sex Mob, who are = from NYC and can probably play there any given night! My friends and I were = like "what the fuck?!?!?"=20 This guy and his band come all the way from Norway to play a handful of gigs, and they're giving him the axe!!!=20 Anyway, while the music lasted we were smiling from ear-to-ear. Amazing players, those ECM guys!!!! Ed in NJ =20 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:06 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful = gig! As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained = prerecorded sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the = table from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally = produced those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard = from NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know what I mean and how this is done? Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting = results? all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ... One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=E5kon Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an = extensive solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing = techniques that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love saxophone loops! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 17:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E93383BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lfDSHNBn8Qe/N8cgyhrIEBmyA+KnhFYhkI4TVyiFgfo=; b=rY2zPLYoNSNBjdHdsglrhw/ORd6g6k8uQAYim/p5ZHY5eWm3W0mG1xcusCT72ffX8X dhoT6XMow1x4GFiuHvBAfv/g1vXeK96yMPGgZAUReHEXypK/id+9/3ETkkXOYvrjIxxZ Rp9I9+1BfOTj88lfDQBNn8NE8486fNq2Hu3T4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TT54DawgLiSwmAvNWdCyMpoS+SU1MvMTNkP+drWcrklB/Kbgrf17XqDVgUAeEsMq6k xWRi8mOv3XpnfnUwSo+2MgEN2tFTYvwtccEK4Q13F7h7TJ9ieXtZMgidwpTDVDmjP5nh CkHnCMYcYD8bhXTloZM9i0p72reO2ymLjzkcY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:30:04 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <0B.86.14864.EFD59394@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49461_18529965.1228498204316" References: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <0B.86.14864.EFD59394@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49461_18529965.1228498204316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yeah, i've seen NPM a couple of times too. once was at the Marquee in London which provided some of the recordings for the Streamer album. absolutely awesome On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, ejyuhas wrote: > Nice! > > Two Summers (three?) ago I had the pleasure of seeing Nils-Petter Molvaer > at > Central Park's Summerstage in NYC. ------=_Part_49461_18529965.1228498204316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yeah, i've seen NPM a couple of times too. once was at the Marquee in London which provided some of the recordings for the Streamer album. absolutely awesome

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM, ejyuhas <ejyuhas@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Nice!

Two Summers (three?) ago I had the pleasure of seeing Nils-Petter Molvaer at
Central Park's Summerstage in NYC. 
------=_Part_49461_18529965.1228498204316-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:39:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0004F3BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gET4ob1osgqgEiK1x+1wSN1B3yPfjiyprBvqrAUSiFg=; b=aKanl7mtGFY5EMqO166feSXJ0aIfSL2SN5qjcIUJH5mpPVr/D+2yR4T/KTJjsHi/zi UAcQNhuYOYF1ikdbFY6VJ0QNLxHsYvvNRsF5Hcgxog+fyKNf3rM3fSxf0b9zFbj+Phw7 bekX+U0V/xA1bn2Fy7yBGZcqHqGpEvpbhfHoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AgO9hC9mPHSCYxrx6ZluBV0HgckssdIz9RCuN/jH42WktVxmPaGOu8guBKbEXJQ9Aj VPZtZ6cLbgu74rz2JiSQaG3hVqihvN1syworpS4t2c7CHiu6tDqv557Vl8tpwQdBVqCV 7PgKIQDRBOgszQbPdnBoTzd6y3aohGCWREjKw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:39:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <4939200F.2030102@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24973_28616220.1228502397320" References: <4939200F.2030102@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24973_28616220.1228502397320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control layout as the Fuzz Factory. TH On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey, I'm just loving Aarset's music as well, Per.............so jealous > that you got a chance to see him. > > I'm actually in corespondance with him about possibly headling Y2K9 next > year. > Wish me luck!!! If I can raise the dough , he's game to come. > > Also, just because I just bought one, I'm guessing that the > ZVEX in his rig is the FUZZ FACTORY. It's the exact same size as mine > with the same box and button configuration. > > ------=_Part_24973_28616220.1228502397320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control layout as the Fuzz Factory.

TH

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hey, I'm just loving Aarset's music as well, Per.............so jealous that you got a chance to see him.

I'm actually in corespondance with him about possibly headling Y2K9 next year.
Wish me luck!!!  If I can raise the dough ,  he's game to come.

Also,  just because I just bought one,  I'm guessing that the
ZVEX in his rig is the FUZZ FACTORY.    It's the exact same size as mine
with the same box and button configuration.


------=_Part_24973_28616220.1228502397320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 18:59:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297A43BEC5; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZnvSYY315IiY9rJHvJ2un5vbgeToRtjlv8XJ78tWko/xtg16BTeyI50/gPbioFYeM4kELtaDfYbXaT5jm5nTbfQx4CGtfEAQn7b5M885SSGBrEsBEkBMvVW7CeI6doAvBy3FW5iNxOar+4zffxnj2JSn0V3HBYVvcHJy2QJTjjA=; X-YMail-OSG: DGQ4HpMVM1la0dqg7PhrO8OnJMFwvVAR.n_lIifXImqSrp6tHQ64umVr7COBUsan_hJLTIopxKXgugmQgYPnps39GVz_vzjing525ARI70GKSF0_JoYZ4kuwGueoup_J2EeiRvjhYMvy5NvBR_oIPfCAdg2Y1XJvKTA5_vUqrvCWMY3qX.brtFdFq_0- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <4939200F.2030102@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1039518282-1228503561=:36014" Message-ID: <176491.36014.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:59:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-1039518282-1228503561=:36014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's definitely a Fuzz Factory. Directly above it is a Korg tuner. I don'= t know what that big metal box is, but if I had to guess, I would say it's = a reverb tank assembly from an organ or somesuch.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0AFrom: Travis Hartnett =0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10= :39:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad=0A=0AMany of the Zvex boxe= s are the same size and have the same control layout as the Fuzz Factory.= =0A=0ATH=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0AHey, I'm just loving Aarset's music as well, Per.......= ......so jealous that you got a chance to see him.=0A=0AI'm actually in cor= espondance with him about possibly headling Y2K9 next year.=0AWish me luck!= !! =A0If I can raise the dough , =A0he's game to come.=0A=0AAlso, =A0just b= ecause I just bought one, =A0I'm guessing that the=0AZVEX in his rig is the= FUZZ FACTORY. =A0 =A0It's the exact same size as mine=0Awith the same box = and button configuration.=0A=0A=0A --0-1039518282-1228503561=:36014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
That's definitely a Fuzz Factory. Directly above it is a Korg tuner. I don't know what that big metal box is, but if I had to guess, I would say it's a reverb tank assembly from an organ or somesuch.


From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10:39:57 AM
Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad

Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control layout as the Fuzz Factory.

TH

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hey, I'm just loving Aarset's music as well, Per.............so jealous that you got a chance to see him.

I'm actually in corespondance with him about possibly headling Y2K9 next year.
Wish me luck!!!  If I can raise the dough ,  he's game to come.

Also,  just because I just bought one,  I'm guessing that the
ZVEX in his rig is the FUZZ FACTORY.    It's the exact same size as mine
with the same box and button configuration.



--0-1039518282-1228503561=:36014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 19:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A56A93BECF; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081205140738.HFDVK.421127.root@mp08> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:07:38 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Cc: Michael Peters In-Reply-To: <006a01c956c9$85d60220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Wow! What an amazing coincidence. I just received Eivind's "Sonic Codex" CD in the mail yesterday and have be= en enjoying it tremendously. I highly recommend all of his solo discs as well as his efforts with Nils P= etter Molvaer and with Jacek Kochan. He's a refreshing new voice in my CD/iTunes collection that gets lots of pl= ay. Rick, what a coup if you could persuade him to come to Santa Cruz in '09!!! I'd come down from Oregon just to be in the audience. I'd be willing to help (modestly) sponsor financially (if need be). Cheers,=20 tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Michael Peters wrote:=20 > I saw Eivind Aarset's group live yesterday ... he continues to amaze and > inspire me like no other guitarist at the moment ... what a wonderful gig= ! >=20 > As usual he used Ableton Live, so did his drummer, effortlessly morphing > from a free improvisation to a groove that suddenly contained prerecorded > sounds and melodies ... for his guitar playing, Aarset used a very wide > range of sounds, from utterly tweaked and distorted to breathtakingly > beautiful. I lo-res-photographed his setup after the show ... on the tabl= e > from left to right: a Moogerfooger, a ZVex effect - but which one? -, an > Alesis BitRman, and a Boss Delay. On the floor the Line6 Looper and some > more fuzz boxes ... don't recognize them, anyone? >=20 > http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00015.JPG=20 > http://www.veloopity.de/temp/DSC00018.JPG >=20 > I wonder if it could have been his Alesis BitRMan that occasionally produ= ced > those intentionally completely distorted sounds (which I've also heard fr= om > NiN before I think) - as if some input was cranked up way beyond normal > distortion, so much that the sound gets interrupted ... does anyone know > what I mean and how this is done? >=20 > Does any of the guitarists here use the Bitrman with interesting results? > all the online demos are done with techno rhythm machines ... >=20 > One nice discovery for me on this evening was saxophone player H=C3=A5kon > Kornstad (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3u0tCpG5vPE) who played an exte= nsive > solo set before he played with the Aarset trio - he uses playing techniqu= es > that I have never heard before from a saxophone, and he loops with a > repeater. Ever since the days of Terry Riley and Dickie Landry, I love > saxophone loops! >=20 >=20 > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:14:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8012A3BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=kDLrCgbgbQHtC5FjndDsaY8LjxnJhf7Cfsd7tg0N/iw=; b=oYbQtr3ddv6S1EyVSoosMc7/1O2z+QWDl0Fg3zetlfB8zHd93w7Iy7I9bfHrIe+D87 yUQRnSILlFc3MxW7kMODnZ6FYUNcIWlu5cjk6kQ1kPq4iTMgVU56av0hSsOc9DribS1a GV18wfe/8rS95iJDszHz/a2J9glK7sVEnvrTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=wwqQHkU5W+zMIPrLiR8MQ/jg4QnnEB7wO+pZKL1TE8iZc+Jkyiv2JaIM4hKpbX/VGm eEDX/2MQkpxNnt9W6H19bU6gsvhrHMzs+tGHLL6eg8NsDu4QicY7dSdJ9xd2+J8D9u6i GZ1VC8FGX6Wke5tmnUluRsfZAmZK1XtPqVBHQ= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812051214w241b9abfk428e954dd586d22c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:14:14 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:14:16 +0000 (UTC) About the ZVex stomp boxes, Travis said: "Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control layout as the Fuzz Factory." I'm curious, Travis: which other ZVex effect has the same control layout with five dials and one foot switch? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:16:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30F8B3BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=CE3O+WX8lIIxuix5GzXUmdIeWUMh7kSie2gpAKBbnsE=; b=cxQ0YJgwFAvwnXmrb6h8sI8+u6RUCQD72tMEo/S/Rsqlgg5m5Q/UMkQNiWdi0MdjpM uPHHGk4wgSYv95B75DAjeu6+pRNDqmBbGhU0sVTFQF/Lm3Z/+6nD911JFCgl6qU/6Fuc z6VSC4AqjEXPyKlaVl0nVSkD8wqwFmztkucpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=I2OTux031PFjJ7k7gJt8zlZIJ5EVLdqjZUKuhoHKoQwRxzgFp9iJpxkTlaUC8CgSty gsn6mBOhqb8P0zJYnxrs4yqt9XQWDTdvU8SwsTwUwV4rTt6/pF5SAzXY+Yw+eqR1q/GD ADGs43y1nME+g95/SRiDZDTp/8RD4WvUNXglQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:16:25 -0800 From: "Steven K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_161137_7307248.1228508185829" Resent-Message-ID: <-0PPUC.A.21B.bwYOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:16:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_161137_7307248.1228508185829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello. I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice on which hardware or software device would suit my needs. I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to add/subtract sounds to each section. Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the house PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm not thinking of. Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks - Steven ------=_Part_161137_7307248.1228508185829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello.

I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice on which hardware or software device would suit my needs.

I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments.

What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to add/subtract sounds to each section.

Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the house PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm not thinking of.

Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks
- Steven
------=_Part_161137_7307248.1228508185829-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10AEF3BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JUq2326H6Dv7cIP2kayH1QbYYlzQfwmG9/Zg17M4bFo=; b=DxWn8k/SKlXxeikseDAgUmz+hjDd1/ufUQzNF5EuFb7peQC5xWo38UezvRWNoeAaGd pllJQoof/X9Ag5PCrBDIpdk9ed48QZn17uqpnrblo2ToHIZzpYLzZ3GuxzYW2cHJyKcn VAYJP0FTBVyPeA83YpZSvsTkxJ5j7+mFD0bFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Pm4vE5RCtUmw//GeeSUf8Z9iYLCqQ9Ve8waD10QoP/j1JBoTviLxtGU4gXOqxkUxjK XFNN7qKSOXaOodvGxgJQbY1orkE1xEkRK4I625ETopYtqksrEdDV5vj26vEjEKLstkEx 9Wul0o+kS07/DC8GkxoIiM2e78gXrwBx4hnVo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:19:01 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25865_9970594.1228508341291" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:19:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25865_9970594.1228508341291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use an EDP for that. Of course, you have to build up the sections in real time. Were you wanting to bring some canned loops with you and them integrate those into a peformance with some overdubs? It only has one output though. What signals are you wanting independent control over? TH On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Steven K wrote: > Hello. > > I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice > on which hardware or software device would suit my needs. > > I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people > looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections > that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the > same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. > > What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that > represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to > switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to > add/subtract sounds to each section. > > Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the > house PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround > I'm not thinking of. > > Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. > > Thanks > - Steven > ------=_Part_25865_9970594.1228508341291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use an EDP for that.  Of course, you have to build up the sections in real time.  Were you wanting to bring some canned loops with you and them integrate those into a peformance with some overdubs?  It only has one output though.  What signals are you wanting independent control over?

TH

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Steven K <makemusic44@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello.

I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice on which hardware or software device would suit my needs.

I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments.

What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to add/subtract sounds to each section.

Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the house PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm not thinking of.

Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks
- Steven

------=_Part_25865_9970594.1228508341291-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80B7F3BEC4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YyB0lLdqVeoVZdEEy2pCZDgRNR407tNiUMrN3IBwKbo=; b=E2neGiGY6t0RcsZHJIiZ/CI6LJ5bno0yxSjpycOLq8uVkCvdMZ93dO0FBzm6HcynSQ AL2tHzDyNpkh6h3ZO9QGemuJ+jLWDG6fGWOk8Wz/ODwNJ9PyjVek4taAnwd0tYmuIQb7 mWh+q44epfE/d7wibTBUZOg1H8g0SPFEv816k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=F8v0Q9/7AzAWTM+s0wD4Mua3g4Nup4gHUOc+hvlD+W/vrbIGwp43Ef4SIAuTLagwSz 0ILFN1aNLXANJ/0IWFEFoc9LEurA4d4XpND9XSjZtbIQEcDWMTtjkhZei7HVu7ZhUF92 1VMRhKoMsVmV8UxogVNbczEnKJQOkdvAiNyp4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:20:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812051214w241b9abfk428e954dd586d22c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25884_1745672.1228508457195" References: <7334ca1b0812051214w241b9abfk428e954dd586d22c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:20:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25884_1745672.1228508457195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, dip me in shit, there is only one with five and one. All the others I was thinking of have six or four knobs. TH On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > About the ZVex stomp boxes, Travis said: > "Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control > layout as the Fuzz Factory." > > I'm curious, Travis: which other ZVex effect has the same control > layout with five dials and one foot switch? > > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_25884_1745672.1228508457195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, dip me in shit, there is only one with five and one.  All the others I was thinking of have six or four knobs.

TH

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
About the ZVex stomp boxes, Travis said:
"Many of the Zvex boxes are the same size and have the same control
layout as the Fuzz Factory."

I'm curious, Travis: which other ZVex effect has the same control
layout with five dials and one foot switch?


          Rainer


------=_Part_25884_1745672.1228508457195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D923BEC1; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2FKzJZrrpXzodspLh6+xTMHLWnPSGwzwnFy5RR5MsHM=; b=bCvESvnS//AvSIbPhRL1+tlA9zQylSnTa4nTkodbPhs9sj64Y682sC43nNWZ4plvtD YzPf1hSDcR+PCLVE/tHt1jg1yUDo3BIyf9vfHw3/IycOIR8D21X4zfVR3zwBFethM9nY UQyTzTE/tR+SZJXWPBpULREISV3zQ8Vb3B6uA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WU+ZiLmBGeY4TBt+jIv7v/5CjG/FZq5gqVdr3CGnZ+jflPJ3pDVjLWuS9pOg/jXgqn e9HidFhuLNIuO0dTrT88uXoHgaShmoqd00JVXntGou11uF5aBMxZWp+DSEAhj07G3Ikl s4Kz5kSSpuaLwYk4t2CDYlubDp0TowovyF8XE= Message-ID: <1f6442e00812051226n3f4b254fka712bad039565cc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:26:21 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14413_21078803.1228508781139" References: Resent-Message-ID: <-6UzB.A.qZC.v5YOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:26:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14413_21078803.1228508781139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do just that with my RC-50 :) -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_14413_21078803.1228508781139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do just that with my RC-50 :)

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------=_Part_14413_21078803.1228508781139-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483533BECD; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=J8ofUteBEtcA:10 a=t3sM4VVC6RcA:10 a=s_tXU9uwAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=NW_uXF3xAAAA:8 a=gLH_mUEsVZS3nsB2si4A:9 a=sp2Dboh9ZJHjci46JyaL_L-nUGsA:4 a=IQdfU-mQRuwA:10 a=zA9QBqFX_uP_ZIGA9WoA:9 a=lk6-ivfGBHQWgVs-JLoA:7 a=p35pUDZCO4wyEey-1KZUovGJ2dAA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1f6442e00812051226n3f4b254fka712bad039565cc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f6442e00812051226n3f4b254fka712bad039565cc9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1053346006 Message-Id: <569D53B8-03C7-4946-9EDE-C47FEAD88E0A@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:37:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1053346006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ableton Live. Many many many more options are available to you. > I do just that with my RC-50 :) > > -- > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk --Apple-Mail-2--1053346006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Ableton Live. Many many many more options are available to you.

--Apple-Mail-2--1053346006-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0383BECA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=REALdAHtGMwRuQg25Qhi5C8u/Lagl1B77jVCJt/aOIw=; b=prTql4RgtrDEW/NtGYGH4erMwadUL+dF+kAvZlsrALgobLGmfx033gKDTfc343ZDbb JWHBLfAWQuqWqWCxkw8nfHuTF+UPpG2ZATvf4sJIlq2ejvcD/rVf4pJnyHb3WSfwVdgs DkrfVw2H0w+DO8anM/I/1WuvpckloKFZxlnU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jgobPPpTU4RaohhXsMWwGJSiewJUcWhe8XYOb49/zf2zFHOntuirBrmJK6Lr2fPnH7 01tSDqN8TW4fkicBqtge4JTA086X0HJlCmxaDTDEWEp2TtG+9OL9d/n8ByFQWQrqMAQ1 f7nXu286KUxBqoUAtIcS43tfEy3yo9fzjb2/c= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812051242j738129f2xd6f4d2511c5a01de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:42:22 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC) > What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that represent the chorus, > loops that represent the bridge - and be able to switch back and forth between the sections > in real time, with the ability to add/subtract sounds to each section. Steven, in today's world of looping toys, the former only device which did this - the EDP - has a few other devices at its side which can do that. A first check would be to look into Per's comparison chart http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php and find those with more than one in the "max number of loops" column. As Travis mentioned, a problem with the approach you're after might be that the first time you visit each section of the song, you have to build it in realtime, which may or may not be possible using the approach you're using (I understand you want to use a more song-based approach, not subtle transitions in a kind of ambient soundscape, so I will explain focusing on that). There are some "shortcuts" to make that possible. One is to reuse some parts in different sections, and, say, use some kind of post-loop processing to change them. For that, you'd need a looper which offers multiple tracks ("multiple loops in parallel" in Per's chart), as well as multiple outputs (which you already mentioned). So with that, you could e.g. have a bass line for the verse on one track, and then use a combination of (perhaps pattern-sequencer-controlled) pitch shifter and transient designer to change it for the chorus. Another one is to start recording the next part (e.g. the chorus) while the last part (e.g. verse) still plays. So you could already record the guitar part for the chorus (and the guitar only goes to the looper and is not sent to the FOH - requires you use and amp modeler 'tho') while the loop for the verse is still playing and you sing on top (and not record the singing in the loop). The third one is to use arrangements that do not focus on the multi-instrumentalist/multi-part/overdub aspect of looping - without explaining too much of it, I urge you check that fabulous live recording of Andre LaFosse which I just rediscovered and which has been on heavy rotation with me ever since - http://www.altruistmusic.com/nyc3.html (* This last recommendation also goes to everyone else here *) Device-wise, I know that with Mobius (software) you can do everything to that regard you're looking for which can be done. Ableton Live is really good if you never ever want to a) overdub/fadeout a loop, b) start a loop without defining the tempo/meter first - but then, you can use Mobius for these specific cases. The EDP offers only a limited aspect of what you might need (no parallel loops, no multi outs consequently). The Repeater might be better for you to that specific regard if you can find one - plus, it has good per-track pitch shifting. Then there's the Looperlative, which I believe can do what you ask for, but you better ask Bob or Rick or Bill (does it have pitch shift functionality, btw?). Just in case you wonder, for the "big stuff", I use Mobius running in Live (but only use Live as a computerized mixing console/VST host). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:47:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3492E3BECF; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1A940E85B187488C9016844C75FA091F@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: , "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:47:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C956D7.9A609CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:47:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C956D7.9A609CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously, my opinion is biased, but the Looperlative LP1 is well suited = for this purpose. If you make use of recording different instruments = into different tracks, then you can use the auxilliary outputs to send = the different parts to your mixing board. Of course, you could also = control the independent track levels within the LP1. Like the EDP, you would have to build up the different sections live. Bob Amstadt Looperlative Audio Products ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C956D7.9A609CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously, my opinion is biased, but = the=20 Looperlative LP1 is well suited for this purpose.  If you make use = of=20 recording different instruments into different tracks, then you can use = the=20 auxilliary outputs to send the different parts to your mixing = board.  Of=20 course, you could also control the independent track levels within the=20 LP1.
 
Like the EDP, you would have to build = up the=20 different sections live.
 
Bob Amstadt
Looperlative Audio=20 Products
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C956D7.9A609CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 20:51:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABFF3BEC1; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3E4C85FB8F2C408C9FD8DB82B5510ED2@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <7334ca1b0812051242j738129f2xd6f4d2511c5a01de@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:51:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:51:46 +0000 (UTC) > you ask for, but you better ask Bob or Rick or Bill (does it have > pitch shift functionality, btw?). The LP1 has pitch shift in the same way that a tape delay does. The track speed can be altered which will also have a corresponding pitch shift. If you want pitch shift independent of track speed, my suggestion would be to get an external device and send tracks that are to be shifted to one of the auxilliary outputs. There are some wonderful pitch shift effects out there that would make a great pairing with the LP1. Bob Amstadt Looperlative Audio Products From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 21:58:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56E073BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=m5Ckt+dMRycwvpQWTEOp5Ubou3h928gOid9/lQKOq9c=; b=hwU/uc66H7GWCyRLvuWYTIfIC0rSipsaqyJtgTTtHMyWDbpwnMemkemGaUa80EhXgF LbMuohBZD1fI5tKEuUkHqW1f5CrWTYP0AbUb8LrbLXbi1zJv7IgxuBz9/ZKXggAWKyGp wKjKLw8zZQPZYU+NcDRSaP2uxR98ZTkze22gM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iy4Psr7D+29nUHGYjrBivPyajQJVrXkrbcIlBIeO59uKz539K3IOismUX0a9N+WGGa L9kMsd4teRv9+NkaKFj3cl0t9O7PLt252aQ3rYsXnhjYy5FeaH9RbWFEt1uBarTT+Fy6 FQgc/PdZc9fQZQy3P2Q+tZisMyCwB5rJLgKTE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:58:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:58:58 +0000 (UTC) I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come software EDP will also do that. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K wrote: > Hello. > > I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice on > which hardware or software device would suit my needs. > > I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people > looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections > that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the > same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. > > What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that > represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to > switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to > add/subtract sounds to each section. > > Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the house > PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm not > thinking of. > > Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. > > Thanks > - Steven > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 22:38:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455A73BEA6; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=J8ofUteBEtcA:10 a=t3sM4VVC6RcA:10 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=8O6ZOXhNAAAA:8 a=Es2OcCYSON68eGMZMXMA:9 a=dLfUpF-yDWLk5Ocmkw69gslLVkAA:4 a=-rGE_9ojVwMA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:38:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) What? "the software EDP"? On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time > on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come > software EDP will also do that. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K > wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some >> advice on >> which hardware or software device would suit my needs. >> >> I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of >> people >> looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple >> loop sections >> that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is >> looping the >> same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. >> >> What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops >> that >> represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be >> able to >> switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the >> ability to >> add/subtract sounds to each section. >> >> Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that >> the house >> PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another >> workaround I'm not >> thinking of. >> >> Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> - Steven >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 22:39:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0F3F3BEC1; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YlWT3Ap/+hPMDF+BJaBlc79fZRBPHLDaAODQGcpfRsQ=; b=FI1AopYxNV80cEjQxlHMOidsCRZ57edmzSZ6N6Yk/kcnlRrIPcsxzTzWr9k2kusKLH uEyRE1gT0EItsizThv2jxJUk7RxHcev38HDxugD9ZT+PhJGfnlVhfckAbsmV461jvSpz 9v1OLO5DXqzJUtXENyQHNvgZn5kaOrU5UffhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rrcNvkXZFh3XgHdz/GyFlr3yVaGTXvVjP7WZY9wkn/AsBQNpCA3Htx/Anwiq9L0CQ1 5IIMqBwLe1bk4jTP3IhVLLTObEPzBdEYPJSUu62+GLJjUvQ7444piMExMa1l1Ow3nAvO fJURWXe1ApFtMOYE0sAO6A3IGD/DsZKuzZ9TQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:39:34 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28122_16518563.1228516774426" References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:39:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28122_16518563.1228516774426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mathias is working on a software version. That's about all the info that's available. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > What? "the software EDP"? > > > ------=_Part_28122_16518563.1228516774426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mathias is working on a software version.  That's about all the info that's available.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
What?  "the software EDP"?



------=_Part_28122_16518563.1228516774426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 22:45:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF44B3BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nNrYyUxPvxh54gwc7HP8P0a50SRmxa5Nw10/xBmzeYM=; b=fuhSP8C4CDN3PaWOYS/hfmWVYw6g8XtRIUoqW65nOTiusSF8IXKI4LXq9XBWN+TW4K /4gSlvpdCgu8s7tv8DthLNsobS3LDvcEYz0RJobo/PDd9T36Og4Mik71JE3gcg+mLK7C DNbwwCBL5cylk8AB8UqUUjrrfSI8EO49LeqSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=aIzxWkd/iiHik+AwhgUTX3PhmmEoRu3iMK2AeXFj7ccIuPvrR0urkR9f1CUe7rNsuK uxhfPfyjR/BRBFti3/PFsnszVOqRHklHqk2LRqxI//Z5kQmjW/HJ1d2kBOufBhTOUxZW fporwGohlMtcEkrEFJpk/4cVRSzEBZpgFAF6U= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812051445x1b5cca54h8079581e4b6a1c12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:45:07 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <10UhVC.A.PjB.07aOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > What? "the software EDP"? > On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time >> on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come >> software EDP will also do that. >> >> -- Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K wrote: >>> >>> Hello. >>> >>> I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice >>> on >>> which hardware or software device would suit my needs. >>> >>> I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people >>> looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop >>> sections >>> that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping >>> the >>> same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. >>> >>> What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that >>> represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to >>> switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability >>> to >>> add/subtract sounds to each section. >>> >>> Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the >>> house >>> PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm >>> not >>> thinking of. >>> >>> Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> - Steven >>> >> > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 22:49:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A04B83BEBA; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3qd8BBTCv2NW5n8LLwuNyf03XHZBk4bXGdRSLXjKrFc=; b=FlmvteNL3LI8YVZd1WeVuCq7+tv97CrjiKha5YIjim+j7llv9xELnIbDjKppUxZI4Q t9yNu4GfJn4CesEQ7bA11JKrIEpXcoa/42V5ocSph0/NHAIw/paym75MbUF71IUbzruG f0a3+gnmsQToxwpomp5oUTN91rmqvYbGn7anM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=UdXCSM1yIqWwaAijuhBEmiwP8/g+yBL96Nf+T82qc6X6RvxTSuNBy4HCFQS9Sb3q12 3/NNPqDh2UV5s9nsCTWpr7zffW75zLXs2cfEEq6ORl2+XDigdDOmxFw25fe+xAxQVqLO jSFpLyOu+TDC3+FNSuM5qyGN2i5DNcIbo6OeI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:43:24 -0800 From: "Steven K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_162859_1720612.1228517004148" References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:49:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_162859_1720612.1228517004148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thank you all for your suggestions. Travis, my plan is to come onto the stage with a blank slate and start recording loops on the spot. I understand certain sections would have a major dropoff in noise and intensity if I begin a new section from scratch, but I have some plans in mind (not to mention Rainer's suggestions - which I think are very clever) to make the performance feel natural. As far as independent signal control, I'm trying to figure out how to send each instrument's signal separately to the house PA system, so that the live mixer can mix the guitar, the bass, the drums, etc. on separate channels of his board. I think using software would lend me the greatest flexibility cuz I can add any audio interface I want to my computer, but Bob's LP-1 is also a great option with the 2 stereo aux outs. Am I spot on with this assessment? Using Ableton Live, as Chris and Rainer mentioned, is also an option I've been looking into. Mobius seems to be getting a lot of love - I briefly looked into that program, as well as Augustus Loop. Looks like I'll have to research Mobius a bit more. Any additional resources or tips you guys can send my way with regards to using Mobius within Live? Per, that's a great comparison chart by the way. I'm glad Rainer provided me the link. I'm trying to tread softly here with my questions, since I'm very new to looping and my questions have probably been addressed in the past (I've been digging through the mailing list archives but it's not the easiest database to search through). That software EDP sounds very interesting. Lastly, now that I know my biggest concern about separate looping sections can actually work, I'm wondering which devices lend itself well to multiple MIDI foot controllers. I'd like one foot controller to be next to the drum set, another up in front of the stage, etc. so that I have quick access to controlling the loops and playback. Would all the mentioned devices be able to perform this way? I'm starting to regret not picking up a couple of EDPs when it was on clearance a while back. Thanks again. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time > on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come > software EDP will also do that. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice > on > > which hardware or software device would suit my needs. > > > > I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people > > looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop > sections > > that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping > the > > same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. > > > > What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that > > represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to > > switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability > to > > add/subtract sounds to each section. > > > > Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the > house > > PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm > not > > thinking of. > > > > Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > - Steven > > > > ------=_Part_162859_1720612.1228517004148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thank you all for your suggestions.

Travis, my plan is to come onto the stage with a blank slate and start recording loops on the spot. I understand certain sections would have a major dropoff in noise and intensity if I begin a new section from scratch, but I have some plans in mind (not to mention Rainer's suggestions - which I think are very clever) to make the performance feel natural.

As far as independent signal control, I'm trying to figure out how to send each instrument's signal separately to the house PA system, so that the live mixer can mix the guitar, the bass, the drums, etc. on separate channels of his board. I think using software would lend me the greatest flexibility cuz I can add any audio interface I want to my computer, but Bob's LP-1 is also a great option with the 2 stereo aux outs. Am I spot on with this assessment?

Using Ableton Live, as Chris and Rainer mentioned, is also an option I've been looking into. Mobius seems to be getting a lot of love - I briefly looked into that program, as well as Augustus Loop. Looks like I'll have to research Mobius a bit more. Any additional resources or tips you guys can send my way with regards to using Mobius within Live?

Per, that's a great comparison chart by the way. I'm glad Rainer provided me the link. I'm trying to tread softly here with my questions, since I'm very new to looping and my questions have probably been addressed in the past (I've been digging through the mailing list archives but it's not the easiest database to search through). That software EDP sounds very interesting.

Lastly, now that I know my biggest concern about separate looping sections can actually work, I'm wondering which devices lend itself well to multiple MIDI foot controllers. I'd like one foot controller to be next to the drum set, another up in front of the stage, etc. so that I have quick access to controlling the loops and playback. Would all the mentioned devices be able to perform this way?

I'm starting to regret not picking up a couple of EDPs when it was on clearance a while back.

Thanks again.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time
on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come
software EDP will also do that.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K <makemusic44@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice on
> which hardware or software device would suit my needs.
>
> I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people
> looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop sections
> that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping the
> same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments.
>
> What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that
> represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to
> switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability to
> add/subtract sounds to each section.
>
> Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the house
> PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm not
> thinking of.
>
> Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> - Steven
>


------=_Part_162859_1720612.1228517004148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 23:09:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6BCF3BEAE; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xStnsMGMPhP/Vmaa2SXmqObpkdJNr+FTOrogfns4LNE=; b=A29AERlOhblgjJjJF4c5rwunk6tbMdvJIMGx/Lrmoy2obArSpfsUel+bJIdbaxd8go AYQLYdohkQlMJDs43gtkA4f/l/onrAGsqPatxX8FdpxemF5mJKN8DRMN8kxD1cLGNSfq cScDEXteoIkXzgaFqPuzvMNYYll8RsYsvlDIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=J+5pABFsITPHH+ENMyjSpnPXlQCIwcOLb4a9H3pwqNpjiGOLdzr/J1WrNsx7ARC4mI ml88EhGub6+mQovSJaqym6nyDzTQoZ15oi92aMpiOCrXDPhGr9PzLavsWEOEQbFYlnvJ KWO23C8QGZnfAEr4x0oPHTQOdfczTKb+MVG8k= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:09:20 -0800 From: "Steven K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812051445x1b5cca54h8079581e4b6a1c12@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_163151_30236529.1228518560449" References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0812051445x1b5cca54h8079581e4b6a1c12@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:09:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_163151_30236529.1228518560449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't sure if your message was accidently deleted or not. I'd love to hear your thoughts and suggestions when you get a chance. Do you run Mobius on its own or within a host program like Live? And do you have any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac? Thanks - Steven On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > > What? "the software EDP"? > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time > >> on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come > >> software EDP will also do that. > >> > >> -- Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello. > >>> > >>> I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some > advice > >>> on > >>> which hardware or software device would suit my needs. > >>> > >>> I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of > people > >>> looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop > >>> sections > >>> that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping > >>> the > >>> same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments. > >>> > >>> What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that > >>> represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to > >>> switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the > ability > >>> to > >>> add/subtract sounds to each section. > >>> > >>> Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the > >>> house > >>> PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround > I'm > >>> not > >>> thinking of. > >>> > >>> Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> - Steven > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > ------=_Part_163151_30236529.1228518560449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't sure if your message was accidently deleted or not.
I'd love to hear your thoughts and suggestions when you get a chance. Do you run Mobius on its own or within a host program like Live? And do you have any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac?

Thanks
- Steven

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Chris Sewell
<midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
> What?  "the software EDP"?
> On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> I've done that on an EDP and on a Repeater. Today I do it all the time
>> on a laptop that runs the freeware looper Mobius. The soon-to-come
>> software EDP will also do that.
>>
>> -- Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Steven K <makemusic44@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I'm looking to finally invest in a looping system, but wanted some advice
>>> on
>>> which hardware or software device would suit my needs.
>>>
>>> I've seen numerous videos and performances throughout the years of people
>>> looping. But I don't think I've ever seen someone use multiple loop
>>> sections
>>> that transition from one to the next. Usually, the musician is looping
>>> the
>>> same drumbeat and adding/subtracting instruments.
>>>
>>> What I'd like to do is have loops that represent the verse, loops that
>>> represent the chorus, loops that represent the bridge - and be able to
>>> switch back and forth between the sections in real time, with the ability
>>> to
>>> add/subtract sounds to each section.
>>>
>>> Additionally, a device with multiple outputs is preferred, so that the
>>> house
>>> PA can mix the signals properly... unless there's another workaround I'm
>>> not
>>> thinking of.
>>>
>>> Any help/advice/suggestions will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> - Steven
>>>
>>
>
>



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550


------=_Part_163151_30236529.1228518560449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 23:22:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4567E3BEA4; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:22:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell asked: "This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older guys can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks weren't just props like they are today. These days, everything goes through the PA. What did it sound like when only drums and vox went through the PA? Well, as in lots of current instances, the sound varied a lot. I heard Cream play the San Jose Civic Auditorium and Jack Bruce's rig was so loud that it drowned out both Clapton and Baker.........................the mix sucked. I heard stack of Marhsall shows that sounded really good but honestly, it was mostly for show. I heard that Eddie Van Halen had a Vox AC 30 back stage with a mic on it and a whole slew of dummy cabinets lining the stage. Roadies told me he only used the AC30 but I don't know if that's true or not. One of the salient changes in modern 'big bin' sound mixing is the advent of really high wattage available for subsonic speakers. I dont just think I"m being an old fart by saying that this trend has really greatly hurt live sound at big concerts. It's gotten so that every single mixer at bin shows feels like the bass drum has to be as gigantic as possible and take up as much frequency range as possible in the bass and subbass frequencies. The last Cure concert I attended (and like them or lump them, they are a very good sounding arena rock band) Simon Gallup's bass was so 'subbed out' that you couldn't hear the pitch in many of his lines. Here's a guy who plays with a pick and uses a very trebly , cabley sound high on the bass , frequently, playing interlocking guitaristic lines that compliment Robert Smiths guitar arrangements. His sound is intregal to the band. All you could hear was the a rumble. At the last Bjork concert, my wife and I , sitting about 12 rows up and to the right of the stage, left two thirds through the show because we were both nauseated from the subsonics which just completely overwhelmed the mix. It seems like big box mixers don't even travel around the venue and listen to the mix from different vantage points. Bruce Springsteen (again, I don't own a single album but he is so charastmatic and such a good rock performer that I've seen him 6 times) used to do four hour sound checks. He would have the band play and personally walk around the event center to all of the areas listening to the mix and giving feedback to the live mixer. His shows sounded like GOD!!!!!! The thing that bothers me is that people seem so much more interested in power than they do in actually making the mix sound good. I've seen dozens of big bin concerts (I"m a concert junky) in all styles of music that have sounded fantastic. I rarely hear anything in that setting that sounds good anymore. The biggest culprit is the subsonic multiplication in my opinion. I just hate it and have seen so many people use that over subbed sound in countless recent concerts. I actually love bass. I love subsonic bass, but there is such a thing as timbral masking........there is such a thing as having one element so loud that the other's are diminished by it. I was so excited to finally see My Bloody Valentine in London. The Bass guitar and the lead guitar were so loud that you could NOT HEAR THE VOCALS. They played one of their beautiful songs from years ago and it was three minutes before I realized what the song was. In this case, the culprit was the mad genius Kevin Shields. He purposefully wanted it as loud as it could possibly be. The critic for the London Times said something to the effect that, he couldn't hear the vocals, the songs or much of the drums but that it was a brilliant concert just for the noise that Kevin Shields made. I'm sorry but that's bullocks!!!!! Okay, rant over (he says stepping off of his soapbox pa that DOESN'T have a subsonic in it) Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 23:23:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2989F3BE99; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MC9zfBWg0nnV/NO1Zf+vLZ45Ic1OGJqaocZoFuEca7TNLLVh4kfx1tQlU7eevDDaXqUPpkiVDD9hczLkuhq+HTb0AxI6xg426NKaw1tzwgmG+5mqm9voXzRZ4QXBdipmFM5ATeMgilG6Ue8IlrTtUOaDFViKcemZ3utv6z2QXX0=; X-YMail-OSG: RG4K7mgVM1m5beNpSkKBgze3zKfkpWjonWPz8PlBNr21XdOjqR41jUMpS4X9aVqHGvPk.MWhPq8OwX0m7CVpB0c469u3Of_GelL7fOURdzc_oOHT37CXJg7MTn8_NzXf0HhD2g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812050139h492ec7aas7e75f9474eccb079@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <998647.57124.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) > - Never believe that you do not have inspiration. > Inspiration is > there, as always, inside you. Shut up and go find it! really? do you shut up and find it every day? music,lyrics etc. oh, you have to teach me that;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 5 23:38:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E46603BEB9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BDmaqJj5ns1cYO1nTU2ST4JFEwOUF1Ur79zJa88c5qvPB2v+9wbCS4EbwOCilgGG8hWfFPsH9abVErcnk2j1D144v8pZDdeNISCS8zV0Qon5wtqmYS512rR5Rldv5Bw9Qxwt2TEOIhvWh+SXwP5g5iIRnW0FmV0KoAwavbZ2UNA= ; X-YMail-OSG: gptfg34VM1n.k6yBm8iMq8Yh7Yi_mDAtI3BCnrY_ESn1E73l8k6OFysPHR6ZasWx9myJx8HgknPbq4DVOfojMbC07v0exYGGstisDuxidrtCtL_HuMiM.r6cgTD1ZDNy4e8x23NxpfCPdKgksrad4Q20IzRkxCTz5.jt.cyi_4m3niBY99BLJbJDDsc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <009c01c95732$96ce8cf0$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <4938F493.6030907@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:38:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Rick. That's very kind of you to say. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Rain Down Fire by Rick Graham > I'm doing a lot of emailing tonight > and listening to tracks from the brand new release of > Northern Irish live looping artist, Ricky Graham, "Rain Down Fire". > > I'm really thoroughly enjoying this record. It's really sonicaly > sophisticated > with really delicious choices of timbre in the excellent and professional > production. > > It's also really cool because Ricky has taken on several different styles > of > pop music and made largely instrumental tracks. > > He goes from dreamy ambient-ish trip hop to industrial tracks to drum and > bass in a way > that, amazingly, all feels coherent despite large stylistic leaps. > > The biggest compliment I can give to this really wonderful outing > by a young musician (currently doing his Masters Thesis on Live Looping, > by the way) > is that these tracks would be fantastic tracks to add pop vocals to. > > In fact, it would be awesome if he were to do a follow up EP by giving > these > tracks to some really good singer/songwriters and just have them write > lyrics > and record them. The tracks are just that good! > > Check it out. > > http://www.rickygraham.net/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release > Date: 05/12/2008 09:57 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 00:21:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43493BEC4; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uBrCJ7skC2O6MOQzt/GY6vLiywOCqRnCz2eVpSQNBFQ=; b=i9I/TKN8Rrjv4JBG3mON/8yjsglrFX+jzdXavvn3NrsfQNxGcY3CohSLMw0WPFY3ba t67xfaoIJ3L27Fv/d611Oi9ws4A2wPPTrLpuqvzhmyAgbxytJqXsPSqLxvY63SmTnik6 Lzq/qXlaH1pw9TRo73hSJJzCe9GtX6vxSBET0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=aibo5bTf+9b0zNm3DJOxGCmYf5BUGB+cLE9Y+W+zyT+3KPRFcwYrbBEROhwIkwLYyU HJJeqvtNWrhDQdDUFVKuCPbO3B/aT4GyRPw2ZQbM3kJxNlPM8eAInUitknBK+Zj6Ne/X Vs//Sa/4w3vH/OROYh4ea/kfLydPzlCBXLcUI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812051621m79d7d17wd8c00d2e75df3a70@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:21:54 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0812051445x1b5cca54h8079581e4b6a1c12@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:21:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Steven K wrote: > Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't sure if your message was > accidently deleted or not. ...the latest fashion in Social Networking! I'm so in... ;-) > I'd love to hear your thoughts and suggestions when you get a chance. Do you > run Mobius on its own or within a host program like Live? Within a program not like Live: Plogue Bidule. The reasons for using Bidule rather than Live are two: (1) I want to set the tempo by the first loop I create - as opposed to having to start playing in the tempo Live runs at (Live is a lousy slave mode tempo follower) - and (2) I want to use the host as an "effect rack router/mixer" pre looper and only tax the CPU with the effect chain I'm actually playing through (while all others are muted until I call up another effect chain). In my experience Bidule meets both these preferences better than any other host. So far, this is happening in Windows XP, and it is sort of my "plan B" backup looper. My Plan A main looper is Mobius standalone in Mac OSX. I use Apple's MainStage as my virtual effect rack that my instrument signal goes into first. From MainStage it goes out through two physical stereo busses, the main house PA line and a loop-back cable that feeds the MainStage output back into the laptop and into the looper Mobuse. Then the loops (not my direct signal) is added to the main house PA output. So I'm actually running two standalone applications on the MacBook and route the signal through the first one and into the next one. When Mobius VST becomes available I may skip over MainSTage to build something similar to that application in Bidule, to sort of repliicate my Mobius VST/Bidule Windows XP setup. The reason for sticking with Mac is because I like the plug-ins from SoundToys. com and from Michael Norris and they are not available for Windows. > And do you have > any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac? Almost as good as the Windows version. Only two minor bad sides on Mac so far: Sometimes when kicking in a script that is programmed to launch on the next Cycle cusp the audio has a hick-up instead of launching the script. But Moubius ain't stupid, he remembers his precious task and launches the script on the next Cycle cusp - not at all depressed by the fact that he is by then one Cycle late. The other down-side on Mac (so far, all this will be fixed soon I bet) is that the circling Pacman radars that indicate the loop's position has been replaced by pumping color bulbs on Mac - not as informative as the original Windows graphic but definitely more trippy ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 00:27:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E2C3BEC1; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=R5rnsMOCfBrAfohC0cvsz1O2nUhyfiC76kNCa53U6ug=; b=cqngbX/fVH72aafBZxTQfjdstWbaHbnxHL7IuyY8u6w1gGEDs7rhWP2O1sllb6oH8e WbqOXeAq74yWQ16/RWxnCO3glWMD9LAYw9oyMW+++7bu7sGwlbDv2hAQ6BG+8bXvyTCe gx24Oklv1Mb46vYIxmPS34ItbHH2lW+eW+Y7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AyRuWzNXTXtB/knZDHx5msb1M5QjNAzg580qbTnXzRgrLfcIqXVWhdJSzOsKL+MM5o 4wsZvpXlXLodO/VmMN7mf19zN7dLXDvJEnKcNg9QvIOoNyqTFEH0HTmMChmtm/cVo23x O4e/XM1allrvFfoA1MUhKrlJUtZxgfLVuXQe0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812051627p7a3ddaacsaa9b1446afdccc9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:27:50 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning In-Reply-To: <998647.57124.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812050139h492ec7aas7e75f9474eccb079@mail.gmail.com> <998647.57124.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:27:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:23 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > >> - Never believe that you do not have inspiration. >> Inspiration is >> there, as always, inside you. Shut up and go find it! > > really? do you shut up and find it every day? music,lyrics etc. > oh, you have to teach me that;-) Yes, and may the list be my witness!. Didn't I post a blank e-mail five minutes ago? That's me shutting up to reconnect with my Inspiration. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (should have hit the bed hours ago goddammit) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 00:33:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A5763BEC1; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pc+iejpfDYmYoYGtcSqGHNUU4JC1yukkjPpIz2A57GI=; b=X3JmKayg/YWwJhha1PtgazV+9URqFk+/5anxyhQWvS1rYNgKuk2NUgPz8Km1uta5pe gXR+ykL5FhqpXc/tbgsg3O1UjeGQdKdO/gwR3pBH1lLyeezy+RVFVq9yxhtl3/GV+5bR nPMbOaxtcXf6Gveh/LmWdFphNdU68DWFbeTDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MMEOwt4XSQkP8wiYTsI5k6Vm0gv4GRukygmgfZDblcz1A7lHiaznh3hxcdPwO4WxQ/ pTDWBqyinY53f4C6dkTEtHX7/tHM3khcpeyAk/mW3rW+ZHKlNO5qsUWxlKHfxWdn33w3 fBaU8dK9MrVH4i2Bn3hqLZ5DpDkWPybCIa6yA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812051633j6afc926bpbb56dfaf9670c126@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:33:29 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham In-Reply-To: <009c01c95732$96ce8cf0$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4938F493.6030907@cruzio.com> <009c01c95732$96ce8cf0$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:33:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Thank you, Rick. That's very kind of you to say. > > Ricky I must chime in with Ricky and thank Rick, but rather for pointing out Ricky's Record. Ricky, will you notify the list when it's available please? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 00:50:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26AA13BEB9; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=f52U+NPtHrscEYQODKrWA6veZkFFYRaf6fbIrcuvV2k=; b=muW4dbIgFKBFW/vRpplBnnp3KxXiQgZw4Fwk8ivrNsW0OxZjlRTlQB1gi+78Y7WU9T dNad4f7m8n+ldmBscue6/TH8xWJnlL0u/dzaICvgkImRZvmFxFGRDB/+GCx1L2vSveEU 0oiTOuBcQkoaNTAk1FZhL1e+kXtenqk/Ik+aU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dYnhwxe6KaNGLORcX1I7vGyHY1ZQAJksWnb3bTvOhmnYvA7idG3H+ae+k+q9xPJRH7 t7Ld9ThU3fNJcdrIE/NaK0Mz7cd0aBi96jx9C4caopi0FwZZrbnn4wp0FrTu7NqxkQjs lgq94boUuod0IPZUzy5zLryg3GiDU3L2YvwJ0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:50:37 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slicing audio In-Reply-To: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 088dab384448d9b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the replies everyone. Per, sorry, I have very little idea how to do most of what you said at this point. RP, in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot more flexible. however that requires me to drag clips one at a time into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool in the sample edit area? (I looked in the manual but couldn't find any). Owen, it seems to me that would work well enough, except I can't figure out how to do precise selection in the sample editor in session view because it always snaps but never shows more than 1 beat gridlines. If I disable loop, it lets me select precisely but doesn't let me use lots of critical looping features. Any other things I can try or should I turn to external tools? Thanks everyone, Nick On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Owen Green wrote: > Hi Nick, > > In session view, if you right click in the clip once you've set your loop > points, there's an option called 'crop sample'. This will create a new file > that you can do what you wish with. > > hth > Owen > > Nick wrote: >> >> hi everyone, >> >> I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in >> ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently >> using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to >> the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end >> points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. >> The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I >> see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample >> editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or >> similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. >> If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to >> do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 01:50:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C63F3BE82; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Ue0pPswGWe1sl0bLpwJqo1cfBwB8ON7uQOJgOSv4klo=; b=xACsCJwpwSXnhwYOMGZJYvqryNlttWVUkfI4PGE/mtCLhk1z6DFH+kiVPQPCsclD/i KdhVINFXtpOkQjX9Gjr/Euumu5L/1YctqZykG/BcjT7QOHPz3e1DoF+bFGqOPTGiuBW6 jkjRihdBM9bhGAOaCckywoJKp8D+Aa6JOFiMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bqWfqVqlME8nWr9ee5vU0wXjil5Bkk7O0/F0GEpM5jkLBmqpthVGBJ/+Ki5ffVMvxS TqWggT772I6zjTF1BR4sHY2/soZWiZrheQBO+vqC4n9aAXxfzYXpOyjdOsq2xsIqgRJ0 g/asXI1Kt8l2jEB1Ky3S1f8LxMkIZPljBatxk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9410A927-0226-4AA2-922B-6F0FD5D78C58@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: slicing audio Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:50:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nick On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Nick wrote: > in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot > more flexible. That's right, Arrangement view, if I don't use Live for a week I begin to lose the vocabulary. :-) > however that requires me to drag clips one at a time > into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when > done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool > in the sample edit area? The sample area, afaik, is not really a waveform editor except for midi notes. Are you trying to do this fast on the fly? I was just thinking that the Arrangement view click/drag a least allows you to load Impulse without opening an external editor. You might leave an external editor toggled open in Live and drag files to it for edit and then drag back to Live for insert. Are you on a Mac? There are tiny editors that might work without having to open huge audio software. Here is a small Loop Editor: feed://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/appcasts/le/1/index.xml Must be something similar for PC. Sorry, I don't know of any fast and elegant way -- the mother of invention is calling to you. :-) regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 02:54:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1B33BE92; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:54:38 -0800 Subject: Re: slicing audio From: Richard Atkinson To: Looper's Delight Message-ID: Thread-Topic: slicing audio Thread-Index: AclXTfpJOPgOlsNBEd2JYgAWy4YwYQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, Been lurking, mostly. Greets. Owen, If you use your method, and then go to 'edit' that sample in an outside editor, you still get the original longer piece, corret? I think that Nick wants is actual hard samples to repurpose. Ableton is really making a new clip, not a new file. Actually, I gave up trying to use Ableton as an editor for making smaller samples of larger pieces, with the exception of in 'arrangement' view. I think you're right about the snapping is session view while the sample is in warp mode...that always irritated me. On my Mac, I use an audio editor, Amadeus. Pretty functional and straightforward. Not very feature filled, but I don't need it to be. I cut my hard edits there. Session view, double click clip to see sample editor Right click on sample editor window, then choose Manage sample File. Click Edit in sample management window. Edit in Amadeus, 'save as'. Reimport into Ableton. I really do like using the 'Header' above the file broswer to access drives, folders and files directly and create favorites. This helps me a lot while file browsing for DJ'ing. (www.5150fm.com, 8-10am PST, saturdays. I'm on tomorrow am, c'mon by if you're chilling by the PC), but I've been using it a lot for recent compositions I'm working on, to 'reimport' new shorter samples of longer originals, edited by Amadeus, back into the flow of the song. It's been a bit of a relief, since I've never been impressed with Ableton's hard editing...so I just gave up. This method now works for me, and Amadeus is my first Mac editor I've been able to get comfy with. I never liked any others much that I came across. Rich Www.myspace.com/asopaquemusic On 12/5/08 4:50 PM, "Nick" wrote: > Thanks for the replies everyone. > > Per, sorry, I have very little idea how to do most of what you said at > this point. > > RP, in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot > more flexible. however that requires me to drag clips one at a time > into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when > done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool > in the sample edit area? (I looked in the manual but couldn't find > any). > > Owen, it seems to me that would work well enough, except I can't > figure out how to do precise selection in the sample editor in session > view because it always snaps but never shows more than 1 beat > gridlines. If I disable loop, it lets me select precisely but doesn't > let me use lots of critical looping features. > > Any other things I can try or should I turn to external tools? > > Thanks everyone, > Nick > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Owen Green wrote: >> Hi Nick, >> >> In session view, if you right click in the clip once you've set your loop >> points, there's an option called 'crop sample'. This will create a new file >> that you can do what you wish with. >> >> hth >> Owen >> >> Nick wrote: >>> >>> hi everyone, >>> >>> I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in >>> ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently >>> using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to >>> the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end >>> points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. >>> The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I >>> see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample >>> editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or >>> similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. >>> If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to >>> do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 03:01:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 036AE3BEA4; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:01:25 -0800 Subject: Re: slicing audio From: Richard Atkinson To: Looper's Delight Message-ID: Thread-Topic: slicing audio Thread-Index: AclXTfpJOPgOlsNBEd2JYgAWy4YwYQAAPKVi In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) OK, and also here's a toast to Hard Editing. Cut the damn loop, label it, and save a copy of it independent of the original, where you want it, and where it's organized and able to be duplicated without the tether of the mother program, which is susceptible to upgrades much faster than your standard audio file formats are going to be. Do you still have a song 'composed' of files/loops, that could be reassembled if you needed to utilize another DAW to mix/record/assemble? Anyway... Then reimport the hard edit back into your program and let the mothership have her way with it, get back into right brain mode and keep working. I think I'm getting buzzed. Hmmmm.... Night. Rich On 12/5/08 6:54 PM, "Richard Atkinson" wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Been lurking, mostly. Greets. > > Owen, > If you use your method, and then go to 'edit' that sample in an outside > editor, you still get the original longer piece, corret? I think that Nick > wants is actual hard samples to repurpose. Ableton is really making a new > clip, not a new file. > > Actually, I gave up trying to use Ableton as an editor for making smaller > samples of larger pieces, with the exception of in 'arrangement' view. I > think you're right about the snapping is session view while the sample is in > warp mode...that always irritated me. > > On my Mac, I use an audio editor, Amadeus. Pretty functional and > straightforward. Not very feature filled, but I don't need it to be. I cut > my hard edits there. > > Session view, double click clip to see sample editor > Right click on sample editor window, then choose > Manage sample File. > Click Edit in sample management window. > Edit in Amadeus, 'save as'. > Reimport into Ableton. > > I really do like using the 'Header' above the file broswer to access drives, > folders and files directly and create favorites. This helps me a lot while > file browsing for DJ'ing. (www.5150fm.com, 8-10am PST, saturdays. I'm on > tomorrow am, c'mon by if you're chilling by the PC), but I've been using it > a lot for recent compositions I'm working on, to 'reimport' new shorter > samples of longer originals, edited by Amadeus, back into the flow of the > song. > > It's been a bit of a relief, since I've never been impressed with Ableton's > hard editing...so I just gave up. This method now works for me, and Amadeus > is my first Mac editor I've been able to get comfy with. I never liked any > others much that I came across. > > Rich > > Www.myspace.com/asopaquemusic > > > > On 12/5/08 4:50 PM, "Nick" wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies everyone. >> >> Per, sorry, I have very little idea how to do most of what you said at >> this point. >> >> RP, in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot >> more flexible. however that requires me to drag clips one at a time >> into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when >> done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool >> in the sample edit area? (I looked in the manual but couldn't find >> any). >> >> Owen, it seems to me that would work well enough, except I can't >> figure out how to do precise selection in the sample editor in session >> view because it always snaps but never shows more than 1 beat >> gridlines. If I disable loop, it lets me select precisely but doesn't >> let me use lots of critical looping features. >> >> Any other things I can try or should I turn to external tools? >> >> Thanks everyone, >> Nick >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Owen Green wrote: >>> Hi Nick, >>> >>> In session view, if you right click in the clip once you've set your loop >>> points, there's an option called 'crop sample'. This will create a new file >>> that you can do what you wish with. >>> >>> hth >>> Owen >>> >>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>> hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in >>>> ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently >>>> using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to >>>> the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end >>>> points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. >>>> The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I >>>> see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample >>>> editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or >>>> similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. >>>> If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to >>>> do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 04:53:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 528673BEA4; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CFqsxRVdQ2Sy+ijxvIPqs6Fwenm5Ty0nCPOqrDI1U5Ap5j17ie72p2vbkGNeTBfHeUPuoyjGGbm3YohvVQuNCuMf3R00402eH81nsaRBhPwwJKOiW89ZFDbsmw9HBb5CJ4+GmEpvwpuOi/doPHp7IhKKlw5PGnNil9TdJRDX4RA=; X-YMail-OSG: lv0oJJcVM1lGFQ_f_MqPgZE.U47nRlAiUIXxzWA4lJgAItFcTibT2h3eHKQ03pCsuzxQohg5ZkZHlOSQbiGYS426nLtRHjTkVu5yk_qVPHNLP.AY7oMA0ZZGfIZ2bv2lptDIfzY3YFxLaiNVr05MPUiu9NHDzVIzMGTPuYxp X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: bitrman (ineko)/sound in the good ole days... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-12594043-1228539211=:73476" Message-ID: <792168.73476.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:53:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-12594043-1228539211=:73476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for posting those pics of Eivind Aarset's stage setup/pedals. fun to= see what innovative musicians are using out there now. yes, i will 2nd if you want to get interesting filtered fuzz, the alessis i= neko is a great little tool. i used mine extensively when i had it a few yr= s ago-mine had the reverb and delay matrix' not working, but the filters an= d other intersting bit reducing things worked fun for messing up sounds. and i remember when the bitrman and all those other boxes went on clearance= and didn't sell a few yrs ago, probably should have bought one when they w= ere cheap. oh well... =A0 as for the "old days sound"....i don't know...i saw springsteen back in mar= ch in omaha, and i thought the sound SUCKED!!!! it was way too loud,and jus= t unpleasant to hear. i saw him on tour for his 90's=A0 solo albums back in '94, and that was a G= REAT concert. and when i saw van halen in '86, the band sounded good, loud, but good, but= the vocals were all distorted, i wasn't sure if they were trying to compen= sate for the loud amp sounds or what. the funny thing, probably most live music i've heard in the last few yrs ha= s been acoustic/singer/songwriter stuff, and usually the sound at those has= been great and intimate, but it's also simple guitar or piano w/ voice...i= t seems rare that i've heard many bands lately that have a great sound live= , it's probably more about inexperienced folks running the sound... s--- ps-i will also say that when i get out my live hendrix dvds and watch them,= i'm amazed at the sound quality, and also hendrix' ability to harness what= he did live, he had no monitors, and what i've read pa's back in the 60's = were nothing like pa's today, so the mix of sound i think is pretty amazing= ...but that could also just be that he was that good and knew what he was d= oing.... pps-the other funny story i remember about live bands and sound in the 60's= , this lady i used to work for 20 yrs ago, saw the beatles on their 1st ame= rican tour (she was older than i, and was an early teen when they came). sh= e saw them in big football stadium, she said the place was filled w/ teen g= irls, you couldn't hear a thing (the vox amps not loud enough!) and all she= remembered from the concert was some girl behind her was so excited and cr= azy when they came on, she leaped over a couple of rows of girls to get clo= ser and broke her leg. guess that was the beatlemania hysteria.....=0A=0A= =0A --0-12594043-1228539211=:73476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
thanks for posting those pics of Eivind Aarset's stage setup/pedals. fun to see what innovative musicians are using out there now.
yes, i will 2nd if you want to get interesting filtered fuzz, the alessis ineko is a great little tool. i used mine extensively when i had it a few yrs ago-mine had the reverb and delay matrix' not working, but the filters and other intersting bit reducing things worked fun for messing up sounds.
and i remember when the bitrman and all those other boxes went on clearance and didn't sell a few yrs ago, probably should have bought one when they were cheap. oh well...
 
as for the "old days sound"....i don't know...i saw springsteen back in march in omaha, and i thought the sound SUCKED!!!! it was way too loud,and just unpleasant to hear.
i saw him on tour for his 90's  solo albums back in '94, and that was a GREAT concert.
and when i saw van halen in '86, the band sounded good, loud, but good, but the vocals were all distorted, i wasn't sure if they were trying to compensate for the loud amp sounds or what.
the funny thing, probably most live music i've heard in the last few yrs has been acoustic/singer/songwriter stuff, and usually the sound at those has been great and intimate, but it's also simple guitar or piano w/ voice...it seems rare that i've heard many bands lately that have a great sound live, it's probably more about inexperienced folks running the sound...
s---
ps-i will also say that when i get out my live hendrix dvds and watch them, i'm amazed at the sound quality, and also hendrix' ability to harness what he did live, he had no monitors, and what i've read pa's back in the 60's were nothing like pa's today, so the mix of sound i think is pretty amazing...but that could also just be that he was that good and knew what he was doing....
pps-the other funny story i remember about live bands and sound in the 60's, this lady i used to work for 20 yrs ago, saw the beatles on their 1st american tour (she was older than i, and was an early teen when they came). she saw them in big football stadium, she said the place was filled w/ teen girls, you couldn't hear a thing (the vox amps not loud enough!) and all she remembered from the concert was some girl behind her was so excited and crazy when they came on, she leaped over a couple of rows of girls to get closer and broke her leg. guess that was the beatlemania hysteria.....

--0-12594043-1228539211=:73476-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 05:21:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA35F3BE99; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CjfMOlwBagfRXa6mXG6BZZ95x5tHTERClGrZUbNrico=; b=a9BOi1GH9iwjvvrF/IKnVJXZhVpklQF1GTQQ9jY52GIwqmh5eGPVclgygRo2xBQ69P h//VAwDwMKgfIibF1Mr+vBEcqR6WEHg1KcVVRmYorNiDkSG665UdJd2xbtvNsP7H7TPJ OcPVQFwrPYUxVDkbD+bWoCtmcNruynwLsjgH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=c0Inj3EeAsQBRMB0EEasbO8Pn7duQc3hFaaLzgsWenF40SsriKnTewOEIxsvHtmR+L qz+iabb+qi5rQNnOQWDqWA9pYkqEbDLV9RVbX+TrpKho867GtKMQFzDxEMlnz6/hIVFR /t+iooIsej7boiVZCi3+/ALiLWEr/JI1k09Jw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:21:46 -0800 From: "Steven K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812051621m79d7d17wd8c00d2e75df3a70@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_166508_21883307.1228540906901" References: <66f9cc1e0812051358y3b5b2379qb144f8174da3a240@mail.gmail.com> <05AEEEE8-D1F8-44F9-A69F-DA7E10C64586@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0812051445x1b5cca54h8079581e4b6a1c12@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812051621m79d7d17wd8c00d2e75df3a70@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1_Wyc.A.QvE.rvgOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:21:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_166508_21883307.1228540906901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Per, and everyone else for helping me out. I just downloaded Mobius and got it running. I'm a bit overwhelmed to tell you the truth - but very excited :) I think it could be exactly what I need. I plan on spending some time with the manual and figuring things out. I'll most likely run into some roadblocks along the way, so I hope you guys can help me out if I run into trouble. Thanks again! - Steven On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Steven K wrote: > > Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't sure if your message was > > accidently deleted or not. > > > ...the latest fashion in Social Networking! I'm so in... > > ;-) > > > > I'd love to hear your thoughts and suggestions when you get a chance. Do > you > > run Mobius on its own or within a host program like Live? > > Within a program not like Live: Plogue Bidule. The reasons for using > Bidule rather than Live are two: (1) I want to set the tempo by the > first loop I create - as opposed to having to start playing in the > tempo Live runs at (Live is a lousy slave mode tempo follower) - and > (2) I want to use the host as an "effect rack router/mixer" pre looper > and only tax the CPU with the effect chain I'm actually playing > through (while all others are muted until I call up another effect > chain). In my experience Bidule meets both these preferences better > than any other host. So far, this is happening in Windows XP, and it > is sort of my "plan B" backup looper. > > My Plan A main looper is Mobius standalone in Mac OSX. I use Apple's > MainStage as my virtual effect rack that my instrument signal goes > into first. From MainStage it goes out through two physical stereo > busses, the main house PA line and a loop-back cable that feeds the > MainStage output back into the laptop and into the looper Mobuse. Then > the loops (not my direct signal) is added to the main house PA output. > So I'm actually running two standalone applications on the MacBook and > route the signal through the first one and into the next one. > > When Mobius VST becomes available I may skip over MainSTage to build > something similar to that application in Bidule, to sort of repliicate > my Mobius VST/Bidule Windows XP setup. The reason for sticking with > Mac is because I like the plug-ins from SoundToys. com and from > Michael Norris and they are not available for Windows. > > > And do you have > > any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac? > > Almost as good as the Windows version. Only two minor bad sides on Mac > so far: Sometimes when kicking in a script that is programmed to > launch on the next Cycle cusp the audio has a hick-up instead of > launching the script. But Moubius ain't stupid, he remembers his > precious task and launches the script on the next Cycle cusp - not at > all depressed by the fact that he is by then one Cycle late. The > other down-side on Mac (so far, all this will be fixed soon I bet) is > that the circling Pacman radars that indicate the loop's position has > been replaced by pumping color bulbs on Mac - not as informative as > the original Windows graphic but definitely more trippy ;-) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > ------=_Part_166508_21883307.1228540906901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Per, and everyone else for helping me out.

I just downloaded Mobius and got it running. I'm a bit overwhelmed to tell you the truth - but very excited :) I think it could be exactly what I need.
I plan on spending some time with the manual and figuring things out. I'll most likely run into some roadblocks along the way, so I hope you guys can help me out if I run into trouble.

Thanks again!

- Steven

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Steven K <makemusic44@gmail.com> wrote:
> Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't sure if your message was
> accidently deleted or not.


...the latest fashion in Social Networking! I'm so in...

;-)


> I'd love to hear your thoughts and suggestions when you get a chance. Do you
> run Mobius on its own or within a host program like Live?

Within a program not like Live: Plogue Bidule. The reasons for using
Bidule rather than Live are two: (1) I want to set the tempo by the
first loop I create - as opposed to having to start playing in the
tempo Live runs at (Live is a lousy slave mode tempo follower) - and
(2) I want to use the host as an "effect rack router/mixer" pre looper
and only tax the CPU with the effect chain I'm actually playing
through (while all others are muted until I call up another effect
chain). In my experience Bidule meets both these preferences better
than any other host. So far, this is happening in Windows XP, and it
is sort of my "plan B" backup looper.

My Plan A main looper is Mobius standalone in Mac OSX. I use Apple's
MainStage as my virtual effect rack that my instrument signal goes
into first. From MainStage it goes out through two physical stereo
busses, the main house PA line and a loop-back cable that feeds the
MainStage output back into the laptop and into the looper Mobuse. Then
the loops (not my direct signal) is added to the main house PA output.
So I'm actually running two standalone applications on the MacBook and
route the signal through the first one and into the next one.

When Mobius VST becomes available I may skip over MainSTage to build
something similar to that application in Bidule, to sort of repliicate
my Mobius VST/Bidule Windows XP setup. The reason for sticking with
Mac is because I like the plug-ins from SoundToys. com and from
Michael Norris and they are not available for Windows.

> And do you have
> any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac?

Almost as good as the Windows version. Only two minor bad sides on Mac
so far: Sometimes when kicking in a script that is programmed to
launch on the next Cycle cusp the audio has a hick-up instead of
launching the script. But Moubius ain't stupid, he remembers his
precious task and launches the script on the next Cycle cusp - not at
all depressed by the fact that he is by then one Cycle late.  The
other down-side on Mac (so far, all this will be fixed soon I bet) is
that the circling Pacman radars that indicate the loop's position has
been replaced by pumping color bulbs on Mac - not as informative as
the original Windows graphic but definitely more trippy ;-)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550


------=_Part_166508_21883307.1228540906901-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 06:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDFD3BE94; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=sL1lWEHhVAIKk/jSifJfmNG4W5xC+hwiHbWg+9x7n44=; b=vHEIPD7UHueOuyYHSVMHlkoWvFRKM8aYzPliwz1GbfbU0DtBq6JDTjlnCJIAjp+bRN N5MvVTDxcCirwxBrG1APvJ8j1zXSRxZqfS3TZPQ9L7VVPlFQ8qFUeyNIzuP+/TasyiY4 LnEAGm6oOdA2DRyHW2QIWKqLG1+gqjWZ+QJN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XAtf0eZ78lHuVfqiZICw+cu4IZtH20RqySi4LJ8LQGHb+WaLyFkKsOJQre7QSYnjc7 nO8kUNaGiStxVCkIoJLHaLSSRuKCZgYxQhxuvNkBeJ2lHHKZ9FpcVaQYyO4IwaYVzBmh jDoBlxsk+CHOBhneGePerGFJyS51AlZjsJ0x8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:40:58 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slicing audio In-Reply-To: <9410A927-0226-4AA2-922B-6F0FD5D78C58@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> <9410A927-0226-4AA2-922B-6F0FD5D78C58@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d9fc59330cfa0087 Resent-Message-ID: <_YHaOC.A.98H.75hOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks so much RP and Richard, I'm trying to do the process quickly, but not necessarily on the fly. I don't think I'll need to do it live, but I do need to do it fast, as inspiration to me comes fast and fades fast if I don't grab hold of the sounds in my mind. It sounds like using an external editor is what I should do. Cost isn't a large issue for me, but speed and usability are, so any recommendations? I will definitely try out Loop Editor as well as Amadeus. I'm also going to take a look a recycle, even though it hasn't been updated in quite a while, because I am a big fan of propellerheads stuff. Update: (not that I sent this before anyways) I just tried out amadeus and it's fantastic. I chopped up the audio clip, saved it all to a folder, and loaded it into ableton darn fast. I just may have to buy this. The one thing that I wish it could do, however, is analyze a sample or part of a sample in the way that recycle can (by looking at the waveforms and setting markers at the beginning/end of each span of time that seems like a discrete sound). I'd be very thankful to hear of another program that could do that. Thanks again for the Amadeus recommendation. As you put it, Amadeus really is a comfortable program, and I was able to use it without referencing help files both easily and quickly. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM, RP Collier wrote: > Hi Nick > > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Nick wrote: > >> in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot >> more flexible. > > That's right, Arrangement view, if I don't use Live for a week I begin to > lose the vocabulary. > :-) > >> however that requires me to drag clips one at a time >> into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when >> done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool >> in the sample edit area? > > > The sample area, afaik, is not really a waveform editor except for midi > notes. > Are you trying to do this fast on the fly? > I was just thinking that the Arrangement view click/drag a least allows you > to load Impulse without opening an external editor. > > You might leave an external editor toggled open in Live and drag files to it > for edit and then drag back to Live for insert. > Are you on a Mac? > There are tiny editors that might work without having to open huge audio > software. > Here is a small Loop Editor: > feed://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/appcasts/le/1/index.xml > > Must be something similar for PC. > > Sorry, I don't know of any fast and elegant way -- the mother of invention > is calling to you. > :-) > > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j set > > http://www.youtube.com/tynego > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 06:50:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DA6E3BE99; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WV0wepvtU4bYYnKmWIGtXXeHvacORdrAfQRn1Ku4DPPoaRKJAWPnBPN6b2u0SNZmD9VMxZK/QdKY+bAdM50O7isT+IwAa9FnBxjo9YHfphBDweKJZ6HpLCYvVplowKarAKYd446JhmK6QQ4FifzwFtRmIX7l1VmafCPgwkKBKkg=; X-YMail-OSG: UOTHuZAVM1lKvXqLHp_w9XzSUGX5C6_nxWmFbONPwjZc2GalePN.MoLmAC36ph_sK1Qg35tyl.x1yE9JGC5uTW3qi5A9BEx08tuqHs_qo5dfudiO89zljYblrebaZ_JIlyPwXZppdLeQPbT8aF3uByn_mcJe9.9BBR0Q6syl1slm_U5J3czU5IzBVdI6oCtXnNtQhEVZo.luhDs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:50:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49395A20.8060500@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <571069.38637.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:50:26 +0000 (UTC) brilliant Stefan! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > From: Stefan Tiedje > Subject: Re: learning > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:43 AM > Raul Bonell schrieb: > > where does the principal input comes from that makes > you grow? >=20 > 1. Listening, > 2. Friends, > 3. Failure... >=20 > In that order, don't stop listening and don't > forget your friends while you fail... >=20 > Find musicians as friends, listen to their music, not > necessarily to their words... (don't listen to me...;-) >=20 > Stefan >=20 > -- Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()----------TJ Shredder=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 07:04:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D4B3BEA6; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JWgLnlnKAz6ylpWRoDHcOYgddTeX8Ji+W8MW9DPS15zMJXXbqVUYlcavZ+V/j0kLWFr3gMCL1+G/5LeSrWMPLT3R17gy0WXZQD4oPY4v14q3RatdWwtCpCRllKrqw+b3JpWA98q4Sdt7e9UZCClGEX40/6iO1ruP2iQ22ycvckk=; X-YMail-OSG: urYT0OsVM1kNfN2X0jaM7qsKM6doDg9KkdROVemSRSXvQ75GIFuGccyFjZ4p.sdF_V9ojLMBGdguQCn_fDE9LLoejvlFIPzj6n0Ih9i5SRRptFJrQdLXkOkuHOC3KTBPTKHMbLyyaxIB0uhLWSiH.I2SERk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:04:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <846691.56108.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi Steven, if mobius is a bit overwhelming and you prefer hardware you might want to look at this two: http://www.boomerangmusic.com/Rang%20III.html http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=772 Mobius is free,excellent and very flexible but if u have never looped with an Echoplex you will need a cup of coffee and patience,download the manual,print it out and take it step by step.Start with one single track set it for 4 loops(for your arrangement parts) and switch between them,that will make you happy for days! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Steven K wrote: > From: Steven K > Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 9:21 PM > Thanks, Per, and everyone else for helping me out. > > I just downloaded Mobius and got it running. I'm a bit > overwhelmed to tell > you the truth - but very excited :) I think it could be > exactly what I need. > > I plan on spending some time with the manual and figuring > things out. I'll > most likely run into some roadblocks along the way, so I > hope you guys can > help me out if I run into trouble. > > Thanks again! > > - Steven > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Per Boysen > wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Steven K > wrote: > > > Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. > Wasn't sure if your message was > > > accidently deleted or not. > > > > > > ...the latest fashion in Social Networking! I'm so > in... > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > I'd love to hear your thoughts and > suggestions when you get a chance. Do > > you > > > run Mobius on its own or within a host program > like Live? > > > > Within a program not like Live: Plogue Bidule. The > reasons for using > > Bidule rather than Live are two: (1) I want to set the > tempo by the > > first loop I create - as opposed to having to start > playing in the > > tempo Live runs at (Live is a lousy slave mode tempo > follower) - and > > (2) I want to use the host as an "effect rack > router/mixer" pre looper > > and only tax the CPU with the effect chain I'm > actually playing > > through (while all others are muted until I call up > another effect > > chain). In my experience Bidule meets both these > preferences better > > than any other host. So far, this is happening in > Windows XP, and it > > is sort of my "plan B" backup looper. > > > > My Plan A main looper is Mobius standalone in Mac OSX. > I use Apple's > > MainStage as my virtual effect rack that my instrument > signal goes > > into first. From MainStage it goes out through two > physical stereo > > busses, the main house PA line and a loop-back cable > that feeds the > > MainStage output back into the laptop and into the > looper Mobuse. Then > > the loops (not my direct signal) is added to the main > house PA output. > > So I'm actually running two standalone > applications on the MacBook and > > route the signal through the first one and into the > next one. > > > > When Mobius VST becomes available I may skip over > MainSTage to build > > something similar to that application in Bidule, to > sort of repliicate > > my Mobius VST/Bidule Windows XP setup. The reason for > sticking with > > Mac is because I like the plug-ins from SoundToys. com > and from > > Michael Norris and they are not available for Windows. > > > > > And do you have > > > any knowledge of how well it runs on a Mac? > > > > Almost as good as the Windows version. Only two minor > bad sides on Mac > > so far: Sometimes when kicking in a script that is > programmed to > > launch on the next Cycle cusp the audio has a hick-up > instead of > > launching the script. But Moubius ain't stupid, he > remembers his > > precious task and launches the script on the next > Cycle cusp - not at > > all depressed by the fact that he is by then one Cycle > late. The > > other down-side on Mac (so far, all this will be fixed > soon I bet) is > > that the circling Pacman radars that indicate the > loop's position has > > been replaced by pumping color bulbs on Mac - not as > informative as > > the original Windows graphic but definitely more > trippy ;-) > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 07:40:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2399A3BE94; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=y9qmzWNEtW6SwAwBFoe9G5pU0+Yapiqtyzy7oXAqMT7Vt0crIghZ2KPAF+DHVgYWVwv4VT7wOPQFSvPxYrcdJsHEUUyJsj5eb0NwCGPq7rryCDWnY1qC+U+2tYOmHecX1P9SiMsVabRmdsI3SktxeyaHhyki1z2I8X2X0r6vRwM=; X-YMail-OSG: XkKXK4IVM1mmiCweMzVmkcLto36oxcDQoNDIVg8axnfENEdf5kJVxrM5jVBpk2J9iBv5_cnfBtuBmGy8gUIDGKN_eqJk_9fvLbQwpsh_m9aZ8.GjLRUnZPVaRfGNxBH_wvV8GxRiA5jHiZxEtlvy747fGvk4Zdd1uTqDyV0rxxtgi_Z5RFkkZKBck77wkGJLv3oZIvZDuv4OI88- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performing with Multiple Looped Sections To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812051621m79d7d17wd8c00d2e75df3a70@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <851725.46677.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7mN8kB.A.5ED.2xiOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:40:39 +0000 (UTC) > wrote: > > Per, I received a blank e-mail from you. Wasn't > sure if your message was > > accidently deleted or not. > > > ...the latest fashion in Social Networking! I'm so > in... > > ;-) > But Per i thought you had gone looking for inspiration!;-) found anything? Ses senare From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 07:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D963BE8E; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=moP6mq8IrMvzb4Fk1dBgvvlXgbVkZdFurP/OVBspsxt3ELXxp5YzvihYtrXO0og3B02XoxbtyBK9iBT9HsPkwZ+MB1f3QW0AO1+2xFmZ7OiJ/aMD1D3J2KYn8DoUTUGigqIp1B+k2K/jrWOpVj90TBvgHeicDdWGIyL/f202nSo=; X-YMail-OSG: I.4lfr0VM1lMPNBDQEC.FeIRMroPvANAeoj2XD5OpX.SoNgSk9eBeLAEs171uoLjRKZMErGbQ14joMPlDe.WD_OhnZSLYU2egkrKRIXNxwrPvXY9DsSPZtJLdVre6W7Mgd8PRoRG07bBsuqQfSgFkVtg1L_q6quDBLW4hGs2U_ugC_FXBnDERZbUuHjKs3wyIf36N0sdrVS2DCM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:53:36 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009c01c95732$96ce8cf0$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <556613.63960.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Rick your music is awesome!can you tell us a little bit about the gear you are using live? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Ricky Graham wrote: > From: Ricky Graham > Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 3:38 PM > Thank you, Rick. That's very kind of you to say. > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:29 AM > Subject: Rain Down Fire by Rick Graham > > > > I'm doing a lot of emailing tonight > > and listening to tracks from the brand new release of > > Northern Irish live looping artist, Ricky Graham, > "Rain Down Fire". > > > > I'm really thoroughly enjoying this record. > It's really sonicaly sophisticated > > with really delicious choices of timbre in the > excellent and professional production. > > > > It's also really cool because Ricky has taken on > several different styles of > > pop music and made largely instrumental tracks. > > > > He goes from dreamy ambient-ish trip hop to industrial > tracks to drum and bass in a way > > that, amazingly, all feels coherent despite large > stylistic leaps. > > > > The biggest compliment I can give to this really > wonderful outing > > by a young musician (currently doing his Masters > Thesis on Live Looping, by the way) > > is that these tracks would be fantastic tracks to add > pop vocals to. > > > > In fact, it would be awesome if he were to do a follow > up EP by giving these > > tracks to some really good singer/songwriters and just > have them write lyrics > > and record them. The tracks are just that good! > > > > Check it out. > > > > http://www.rickygraham.net/ > > > > > > > > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: > 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 05/12/2008 09:57 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 08:01:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3099F3BEB6; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Aarset-BitRMan-Kornstad Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:01:05 +0100 Message-ID: <008801c95778$cb18ec30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01C95781.2CDD5430" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclXd5HFAm4nQEb+SB+GxI9DurEMywAAQlSg X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.0.42; VDF: 7.1.0.195) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:01:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C95781.2CDD5430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > if i were to see an INEKO or a BITRMAN for sale or trade i would go for it thanks Michael ... sounds good ... they don't seem to be sold here in Germany right now, I'll have to wait for one to appear on eBay it seems ... I've put it on the watch list -Michael P ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C95781.2CDD5430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 if i = were to see an=20 INEKO or a BITRMAN for sale or trade i would go for it 
 
thanks Michael ... sounds good = ... they=20 don't seem to be sold here in Germany right now, I'll have to wait for = one to=20 appear on eBay it seems ... I've put it on the watch=20 list 
 
-Michael=20 P 
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C95781.2CDD5430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 09:53:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1ED73BEA2; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=BbEnfWvd/wMjkYtfjm81y0tEendm1xQ2g0OGsFQaq2Q=; b=qBAcJpzVBCTOv5C6r08WrYfDe6JFXgVVECZim94CoCY1QZwHcrOPA7SPLZNkWG0K1f 0REc2OFLcHkZw0IAWaAQy/RB7hhYXUPspvXZHQb7EjpUr+UTdBgMKaIiBoZA8o8HYHMt HW9IgZarHpPBgnBRmKCusz+nn74hkIXxjBW5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=c/LNwVheCJGCv0XILng1u57gpFk2flxucYfmNwbUORLV2f26q+MudHb2MxtP2BFTRf dcitx0JaTW53J6P6IjST++kSm3UdDa5lA9pCOfdPCPsIGw59hN5T0RvsFeIodKsduVXP 7HwMvx9wFLZUabMTk+nSqhMISvgEDkfex3Bso= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812060153j76ae51aes276d2bdd0e187249@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:53:48 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My Bloody Valentine Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66426_6012563.1228557228936" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8bf07301a7825cc5 Resent-Message-ID: <21tn_D.A.J8B.uukOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:53:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_66426_6012563.1228557228936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Rick said: I was so excited to finally see My Bloody Valentine in London. The Bass guitar and the lead guitar were so loud that you could NOT HEAR THE VOCALS. They played one of their beautiful songs from years ago and it was three minutes before I realized what the song was. In this case, the culprit was the mad genius Kevin Shields. He purposefull= y wanted it as loud as it could possibly be. To be fair.. that IS EXACTLY what My Bloody Valentine sound like live... an= d always have.. I saw them maybe 25 times in the late 80=B4s and it didnt mat= ter where i saw them or what PA they were thru.. the sound was BAD. After a while I accepted it.. and started to "GET INTO IT". Then THAT ALBUM... came a long (they recorded it in the same studio as I was recording at the time, just a different room, we got hints at what they were up to... We recorded an album (Wings of Joy) and they recorded a hi hat pattern - in the toilet) THAT ALBUM was so distorted and muffled and.. wait a minute.. is it wobbly? That alot of people took it back to the shop (including my girlfriend at th= e time)... but after a while... "YOU GOT INTO IT!" And now of course its one of the more important albums of the 90=B4s. In about 93 just before they split up, I saw them in San Francisco... big and famous... packed audience... sounded the same... There are just some bands that dont seem to be able to get their tricky sound out over a PA... and thats OK with me. > Rick > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_66426_6012563.1228557228936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Rick said:
I was so excited to finally see My Bloody Valentine in London= .    The Bass guitar and the lead guitar were so loud that you could
NOT HEAR THE VOCALS.      They played one of their beautiful= songs from years ago and it was three minutes before I realized what the song was.
In this case, the culprit was the mad genius Kevin Shields.  He purpos= efully wanted it as loud as it could possibly be.

To be fair.. that IS EXACTLY what My Bloody Valentine sound like l= ive... and always have.. I saw them maybe 25 times in the late 80=B4s and i= t didnt matter where i saw them or what PA they were thru.. the sound was B= AD. After a while I accepted it.. and started to "GET INTO IT". T= hen THAT ALBUM... came a long (they recorded it in the same studio as I was= recording at the time, just a different room, we got hints at what they we= re up to... We recorded an album (Wings of Joy) and they recorded a hi hat = pattern - in the toilet) THAT ALBUM was so distorted and muffled and.. wait= a minute.. is it wobbly? That alot of people took it back to the shop (inc= luding my girlfriend at the time)... but after a while... "YOU GOT INT= O IT!" And now of course its one of the more important albums of the 9= 0=B4s.
In about 93 just before they split up, I saw them in San Francisco... big a= nd famous... packed audience... sounded the same...
There are just some = bands that dont seem to be able to get their tricky sound out over a PA... = and thats OK with me.




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------=_Part_66426_6012563.1228557228936-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 10:00:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876E63BEA2; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 115778644/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.179.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.179.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugAAGfcOUlPTrNp/2dsb2JhbAAIzU+DBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,724,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="115778644" Message-ID: <493A4E46.4060801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:04:54 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration References: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Rick says: > One of the salient changes in modern 'big bin' sound mixing is the > advent of really high wattage available for subsonic speakers. > > I dont just think I"m being an old fart by saying that this trend has > really greatly hurt live sound at big concerts. > I think that the mistake us old farts make is to assume that a gig is all about music, and that how it sounds is part of the reason to go to a gig. Rather, I think that gigs today are about being there with a lot of other people. Listen to how enthusiastic people are when there are "lots of people" at the gig. e.g. "It was a great night, lot's of people". ...and be aware that people come to our gigs, enjoy the music, but often leave a bit disappointed because there weren't "enough people". In some cultures, music is valued for it's own sake....not in ours. andy butler (stayed home again) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 12:24:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBE613BE90; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=UZb7+ICA+RRuUEn4RzAmoN2olrZqQchPBFHfkIvqQyM=; b=UWkPk7RvQBjfbwJrm6v5JIIhxoaaGyMkDJgxAY19sojcbzylAmZC1N3tpWGi8tmSy7 F4LKpqiL/XPG4d1xhrbuoKR6G6L2sgIbiPK4LZfiu766ni2ijIIbQ7uZkJOcgF+wS96Z D6HSpKzKJNVzuDgDji+M6uB8Q3NmojVUsc7+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=QpLTFktV70/5dAhKVaEJmIohgocCOQY7OjEKWXSp2ReZy32Vi10oJl1XCMmvUNF9Uw 714xWj5wJ6vUfU5uGttpuk6rjd/tMXruqlGgMkARRylm2VG+6dJ+zd/YNLaouQaXYI/D sLNKxYKl4Y3vsVF3WwALs2pp4B7/++slRE6p0= Message-ID: <493A6EFF.9090207@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:24:31 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: learning References: <998647.57124.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <998647.57124.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:24:35 +0000 (UTC) L.Angulo schrieb: > really? do you shut up and find it every day? music,lyrics etc. > oh, you have to teach me that;-) finding isn't the problem, but shuting up is more difficult... Meditation, a walk outside, just forgetting that here is a "problem" are methods to shut up, one needs to practice those though... And don't forget to go back and implement the inspirations, that's also harder than finding... (I am pretty bad at that, it isn't much help if you have millions of ideas and never transcend them into reality...) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 12:44:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F8A3BE99; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=z/hUFfOgY5lULcfyo5Fiaxjt/EjbKoPidS2dfqZfC9g=; b=b6FiGF2wmdju2PF8fiwMV6HaIQxydxjxgPdP7T0oL7Xa5q4mQml031ZxkWtc/nh7N3 kcLaNrioX11Lm40rFpRBBI3/5bPGCBxkfNp4pZrmgu4t+m3mNIKQAyd3f5cRplOQWFCP sVVEbWKAPEwUHDygaxqWD57DBaIZlLAZQYeVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pE5gHEhfo9WORa2jNitR8aoO20MWfmfE1tMNoUfcmKB0Dcf4Kn4Dz6XWShVhJR7jC4 C/3ZfTazLjWtxdJBdVGNGxn4j6tELHw8iRMNiZjtFSpbtmNXq0D3z9/2uWYtodamb+jy h7gUEDKQJ5VQMxEIt7ClwOtUWijC5lovQG38Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:00 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration In-Reply-To: <493A4E46.4060801@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> <493A4E46.4060801@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:44:01 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree with Andy on this one. There seems to be a more dramatically evident dichotomy between being a performer and being a musician. I see more and more over the last decade or so that many of the great performers are less-than-spectacular musicians. A good performer has charisma and stage presence and can sell snow to Eskimos with nothing but ego. It really doesn't matter what it sounds like if the performer is good. Even I, as critical as I am, frequently fall prey to the seduction of a good performance. Now, what's REALLLLLY COOOOOL is to find a great performer who is also an amazing musician......... There are very few of these that have come out in the last five year. -J On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM, andy butler wrote: > Rick says: >> >> One of the salient changes in modern 'big bin' sound mixing is the advent >> of really high wattage available for subsonic speakers. >> >> I dont just think I"m being an old fart by saying that this trend has >> really greatly hurt live sound at big concerts. >> > > I think that the mistake us old farts make is to assume that a gig > is all about music, and that how it sounds is part of the reason to go to a > gig. > Rather, I think that gigs today are about being there with a lot of other > people. Listen to how enthusiastic people are when there are > "lots of people" at the gig. > e.g. "It was a great night, lot's of people". > > ...and be aware that people come to our gigs, enjoy the music, > but often leave a bit disappointed because there weren't "enough people". > > In some cultures, music is valued for it's own sake....not in ours. > > > andy butler (stayed home again) > > > > > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 12:56:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F71E3BE8B; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c957a2$0c87e1c0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: OT : fractal audio axe-fx ultra Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:56:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C957B2.CFDFDDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:56:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C957B2.CFDFDDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey, i have seen some great review of the amp modular - fx unit fractal audio = axe-fx ultra. if possible, i would like to buy that unit and use it both = on stage and at studio. has anyone played this unit? is it a lot better = then native instruments guitar rig? also can i get the effects that i = can get on the eventide eclipse? the list of things that i need to buy for the studio keeps getting = longer and longer! i think i will contribute to the american economy = significantly in march :) thanks and best. 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Subject: From Mr.Isu Kafando(Urgent) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:20:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.198.41.11 X-Mailer: Eircom Net CRC Webmail (http://www.eircom.net/) Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) Message-Id: <20081206134057.B49083BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> >From Mr.Isu Kafando(Urgent) Good Day, Please Read. My name is Mr. Isu Kafando I am the Credit and audits manager with bank of Africa Ouagadougou Burkina Faso. I have a business proposal in the tune of $9.5m, (Nine Million Five hundred Thousand United States Dollar only) after the successful transfer we shall share in ratio of 40% for you and 60% for me. Should you be interested, please contact me through my private email (isukafando@mail.ru) so we can commence all arrangements and I Will give you more information on how we would handle this project. 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I'd be very thankful to hear > of another program that could do that. If you have a Mac, the program AudioFinder has a slicing function that will do that. It is also a great audio file management tool. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 14:03:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A874F3BE8D; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=zm8cuUZcQaME04djWnymICSuazEc1xvkWQ9hWJC6R/Xo2uPbDcifxuSVUsnTCqnLooN4A0agI6e5+5UuQIQhsKyOH4varTefBpigvACfx/EXn2X5yfYY32MGieZMBZ/vQW73MTbgsyP0IPXgcsskz7Jx40uBUZKZCaNXGF5LEbQ=; X-YMail-OSG: RVNlPlgVM1m7R2MnhA2xBXGPnsoOZ8L5_tZnMQi52DrtI3shjR7X2VUbz2nBndRwha43dBWYmbVS1C5UKnMqyJlTS8ZXpkAhNX18XQ_Shga.IdnwEUuKXisEYb7aO3CREF_GRqmeZnHQK7LsBHUSaFKMySRB.RhgEo8Cy3k- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <306803.1229.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC) A couple of quick Q's for Echoplex users. First of all a general question; 1. Does anyone have any general hints or tips to help preserve EDP memory. In particular, I've been working up a little piece that involves a couple of loops running, and towards the end, I need to UNDO all of one of the loops, to strip it back to the original loop. However, I'm finding that I run out of UNDO's with several layers remaining. Admittedly, I am using quite a lot of layers (about 8-10, approx 10 second loop), but that is the nature of this piece. I'm using a Gibson Echoplex with Loop4 firmware and full 198 seconds of loop memory. Next, a more specific question, that shows my complete ignorance of all things MIDI. 2. I'm thinking of getting a FCB1010 to use with my EDP. I'd like to be able to assign different INSERT button functions (eg, SUS, INSERT, Replace etc) to different 1010 buttons. Is this possible? How does this happen ? does it require the insert function to be set up in one of the EDP presets, then that preset is called by the FCB. If so, does it occur instantaneously, or is there is the same lag when loading up a new EDP preset manually. Or is there some other cleverer way to do this. thanks, Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 14:36:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C353BE8B; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My Bloody Valentine Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:34:40 -0800 Message-Id: <20081206141832.M92849@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081206140331.1AACB3BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081206140331.1AACB3BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Mark Francombe wrote, about My Bloody Valentine: "To be fair.. that IS EXACTLY what My Bloody Valentine sound like live... and always have.. I saw them maybe 25 times in the late 80´s and it didnt matter where i saw them or what PA they were thru.. the sound was BAD. After a while I accepted it.. and started to "GET INTO IT". Then THAT ALBUM... came a long (they recorded it in the same studio as I was recording at the time, just a different room, we got hints at what they were up to... We recorded an album (Wings of Joy) and they recorded a hi hat pattern - in the toilet) THAT ALBUM was so distorted and muffled and.. wait a minute.. is it wobbly? That alot of people took it back to the shop (including my girlfriend at the time)... but after a while... "YOU GOT INTO IT!" And now of course its one of the more important albums of the 90´s. In about 93 just before they split up, I saw them in San Francisco... big and famous... packed audience... sounded the same... There are just some bands that dont seem to be able to get their tricky sound out over a PA... and thats OK with me." I can appreciate that, Mark, but I had the opposite experience. I never saw that band in the day and I was so blown away by the music on those brilliant and quirky records. There, of course, have been bands that never got it right live and I can respect that. I had a very popular regional new wave band in the 80's and we just never could capture what we did live on vinyl so it can go both ways. but what I loved about MBV was the fact that not only did Shields achieve this amazing guitar sound that had the sonic energy of punk and yet had nothing to do with it's form but also had real pristine and soft energy as well, with the melodies created in the interplay of the guitar and the vocals. It was the interplay between those two elements that made them have an enormous impact on me (and also a delight in trying to figure out just how the fuck he had achieved that sound----was it the manipulation of samples of his guitar playing or judicious and incredible use of a whammy bar-- --was it hundreds of overdubs or just the production manipulation of a few..........all these things not only intrigued me, but they sent me scurrying around trying to duplicate it or, better yet, to try experiments in my own head that would be as exciting just for being exposed to them. I've heard a lot of bands work with the sheer sonic energy of loud volume, noise, feedback , etc. as their primary mode of expression (Sonic Youth certainly comes to mind but any number of other and less famous noise projects. What made MBV stand out in my mind was that he had this experimental , dissonant noise sensibility married to a beautiful lyricism............that was what was rare and to me , so sublime about the band. So, unfortunately (and lucky you that you had the chance) i just don't have the luxury to go see them a dozen times to 'get use to his live aesthetic'. Also, the crowd in London was NOT getting it either from everything I could see and for the number of people I talked with outside of the venue. The sound was crap and it was very, very painfully loud (and I'm no wuss when it comes to volume.......I'm a really loud drummer when I want to be---people have complained ) I guess my point is, if that's what he wanted, it would have been more honest to say, We're going to play with two incredibly loud guitarists and an even louder bassist..........fuck the singers and the drummer.........fuck trying to reproduce the 'hits' of twenty years before. At least I could have taken it on his terms. As it was, we did something we never thought we'd see ourselves do (that is, Chris, my wife who is also a fan, and I) we walked out and enjoyed the balmy London, England evening and took in the local goth club. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 14:42:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BDD3BE84; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=GUDcXSr/8L+afC8KfBLwK59ifYwvEvII5M9trTVyW/RDNNvpkLeI4tIsVsSPHXsy9B70aMDBQo5wB2P+bLHxjwHzPKjNnU9Tmsyc5GimCNWPXM1x1+YL1ea0b3SJiqe6kbg4mzwlbCUFroE9CZNPEiRqH49Scs+9y6E09JMmqY8= ; X-YMail-OSG: m4dyzi8VM1la50_zuWoza_6sVi7BxzFPmr5KNFsiGgLOOg12GsA5WRHZk2nyQNadWCH5Ysbm4j_LUZeNZck7aqQhlXZXpw0rP1jpYFwriPmMdjtUT.ribvr7jxG4c_xVyHU1vg35Sy3CE2lFsqNXUj_j7LYx4bgUjeLUj6nj2KuD8YrkfUKMr_enFtI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004b01c957b0$cd900c40$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <556613.63960.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:42:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Per, I will certainly let everyone know when it is being released. I'm just waiting to hear back on a release date at the moment. It will definetly be available on iTunes shortly. Luis, I had been using Ableton to trigger simple loops synced to the EDP with Reason running some nice subtle synths in ReWire. Now that I have my RME Fireface, i'm running automation clips to process melodic lines in real-time. (a'la Christopher Willits if you haven't checked him out already you really should) I'm keeping it loose using randomising the follow actions too. I'm using this approach with my new trio, and I hope to get more material recorded in early 2009. Thanks very much for your interest! Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham > Rick your music is awesome!can you tell us a little bit about the gear you > are using live? > cheers > Luis > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> From: Ricky Graham >> Subject: Re: Rain Down Fire by Ricky Graham >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 3:38 PM >> Thank you, Rick. That's very kind of you to say. >> >> Ricky >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" >> >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:29 AM >> Subject: Rain Down Fire by Rick Graham >> >> >> > I'm doing a lot of emailing tonight >> > and listening to tracks from the brand new release of >> > Northern Irish live looping artist, Ricky Graham, >> "Rain Down Fire". >> > >> > I'm really thoroughly enjoying this record. >> It's really sonicaly sophisticated >> > with really delicious choices of timbre in the >> excellent and professional production. >> > >> > It's also really cool because Ricky has taken on >> several different styles of >> > pop music and made largely instrumental tracks. >> > >> > He goes from dreamy ambient-ish trip hop to industrial >> tracks to drum and bass in a way >> > that, amazingly, all feels coherent despite large >> stylistic leaps. >> > >> > The biggest compliment I can give to this really >> wonderful outing >> > by a young musician (currently doing his Masters >> Thesis on Live Looping, by the way) >> > is that these tracks would be fantastic tracks to add >> pop vocals to. >> > >> > In fact, it would be awesome if he were to do a follow >> up EP by giving these >> > tracks to some really good singer/songwriters and just >> have them write lyrics >> > and record them. The tracks are just that good! >> > >> > Check it out. >> > >> > http://www.rickygraham.net/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: >> 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 05/12/2008 09:57 >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: > 05/12/2008 19:08 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:13:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FF23BE8E; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 116396176/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.179.105/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.179.105 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugAAIclOklPTrNp/2dsb2JhbAAIzR+DBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,724,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="116396176" Message-ID: <493A9779.7050905@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:17:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP questions References: <306803.1229.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <306803.1229.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Scott wrote: > A couple of quick Q's for Echoplex users. > > First of all a general question; > 1. Does anyone have any general hints or tips to help preserve EDP memory. In particular, I've been working up a little piece that involves a couple of loops running, and towards the end, I need to UNDO all of one of the loops, to strip it back to the original loop. However, I'm finding that I run out of UNDO's with several layers remaining. Admittedly, I am using quite a lot of layers (about 8-10, approx 10 second loop), but that is the nature of this piece. I'm using a Gibson Echoplex with Loop4 firmware and full 198 seconds of loop memory. 1)(which you already got, I'm sure) Set Moreloops as low as possible for the piece. 2) Make sure Overdub is off when you're not using it ( and leave feedback @ 100%), the EDP won't use up memory if you don't change the loop, it does something called AutoUndo. 3)As a last desperate measure, when you have the material that you want to end the piece with all sounding good, copy to the Next loop and then work on it there. So you can always get back your loop by Nexting again > > Next, a more specific question, that shows my complete ignorance of all things MIDI. > 2. I'm thinking of getting a FCB1010 to use with my EDP. I'd like to be able to assign different INSERT button functions (eg, SUS, INSERT, Replace etc) to different 1010 buttons. Is this possible? How does this happen ? does it require the insert function to be set up in one of the EDP presets, then that preset is called by the FCB. If so, does it occur instantaneously, or is there is the same lag when loading up a new EDP preset manually. Or is there some other cleverer way to do this. It *would* work the way you suggest. Changing preset is instantaneous apart from 8th/cycle values. BUT you can access all the different Insert functions directly from Midi. ( note, however, that those neat 8th replace tricks only work via the Insert button) > thanks, welcome andy > > Stephen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 15:29:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1F403BE8A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:28:12 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #609 for December 4, 2008. To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <493A9A0C.3040803@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:29:55 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081204.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #609 December 4, 2008. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the Tangerine Dream. The Featured CD at Midnight was Views From A Red Train on Eastgate Records. Tangerine Dream: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Free System Projekt Narrow Lane part 1 Narrow Lane (none) Mythos S.S.O.-1 Surround Sound Offensive (none) Max Corbacho The Great Breath BreathStream (ad21) Tangerine Dream Carmel Calif Views From A Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Passing All Signs VFA Red Train (Eastgate) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tangerine Dream Leviathan VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Hunter Shot By a VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Yellow Rabbit Tangerine Dream Nutshell Awakening VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream One Night In Space VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Serpent Magique VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Lord of the Ants VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Fire On the Mountain VFA Red Train (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Sound of a Shell VFA Red Train (Eastgate) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream. The Featured CD at Midnight will be Tangram 2008 on Eastgate Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 17:03:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44D43BE88; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=XZebgP4dJKi1+dBJbbg6zYa2nPMvfGnl3hAsRz4qY74=; b=IU3V9Hy1hkEcbSQahYs/qX1bg3jTK0Az1iIB//jZhwexvHGlemqpiFm20fa3qIs6Uc SnBahU+rsrKhFlQtjjNYy9Hz9QgTfwosSW6nXYdbYCRRqwUG5arzcQvBvctuyu4hZuAm fwOF1Fpa9cGaORYGXbsEwPHrpjgLp9jIQ2Xnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=Ka4cQypnT3cyvNHxn+zloNVl1Tw8ki1dbrONw5T8DxLCWNoK6UNfXgrU2b61cML0kX nJb3wAqQ5MRYeRGGOoptdQ9UqzzrJW9jcBMBApz3cP6msjNX5IsurF0XepHI1DSOMtDy gFlo2755CjYShxVKC0DtUuV6lOVK5XdT9jjK8= Message-ID: <101191640812060903q4b42de18tddef4656ed9eda0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:03:14 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Two new nylon-string improvs posted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41237_39542.1228582994642" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 039234933f0e2dde Resent-Message-ID: <86AnfB.A.IZH.TBrOJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:03:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41237_39542.1228582994642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Two new improvs, both apparently following a loose structure of loop-creation-section followed by pitch-shift games with the just-recorded material: Two-Phase Nylon Whistle and (yet another) excursion whose starting point is a 16th-century 3/8 dance rhythm: Bransle Variations 3.2 Hope you enjoy, Warren ------=_Part_41237_39542.1228582994642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Two new improvs, both apparently following a loose structure of loop-creation-section followed by pitch-shift games with the just-recorded material:

Two-Phase Nylon Whistle


and (yet another) excursion whose starting point is a 16th-century 3/8 dance rhythm:

Bransle Variations 3.2


Hope you enjoy,
Warren

------=_Part_41237_39542.1228582994642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:01:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B87D3BE8D; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493ABDF3.6010604@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:01:23 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Two new nylon-string improvs posted References: <101191640812060903q4b42de18tddef4656ed9eda0c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640812060903q4b42de18tddef4656ed9eda0c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Warren, great stuff! Lovely tone and development (and that awesome big drone at the end of "Bransle"). kudos, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Two new improvs, both apparently following a loose structure of > loop-creation-section followed by pitch-shift games with the > just-recorded material: > > Two-Phase Nylon Whistle > > > > and (yet another) excursion whose starting point is a 16th-century 3/8 > dance rhythm: > > Bransle Variations 3.2 > > > > Hope you enjoy, > Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:13:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7BA3BE86; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rql1RSR70UDpcwVT32TzaHu5xH2W2yedncZUniNkCjI=; b=Y5+wRlswikH9752oX9EFUmMFL3z79zgWBOhskcVsU202l5vcVdwH4RfioM6DqX+1S/ +zolOfrmC+DyMIlJ0XImtgjtt2wc7M4yQobkZ1lUyi3OljUTdsGFlime13bwxq1wRf+B XBU378uCimp1qjtTzttTFzny+qk+5/CuJ8G3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mhk78fMzItjWD+c56joif0rRyOljEmy+lInoprY+AXC7Jj7riqlqYOhnPOh9xW2KFn +bY0iHGYu3iTS4bSQmca6CIqzNXsYwboe3ObXj1NZs7zxTK26SDec14C/Z58tBXSZQpe bpV+OmJOa4KdueOSyP83fRpMdAO6zIp320a4M= Message-ID: <101191640812061013x183fcd56l62bfead951728a19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:13:28 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Two new nylon-string improvs posted In-Reply-To: <493ABDF3.6010604@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42067_6360819.1228587208392" References: <101191640812060903q4b42de18tddef4656ed9eda0c@mail.gmail.com> <493ABDF3.6010604@mhorse.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 306b0d7e55c49755 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:13:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42067_6360819.1228587208392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Daryl. That drone was a fortunately-out-of-control delay feedback setting. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Warren, great stuff! Lovely tone and development (and that awesome big > drone at the end of "Bransle"). > > kudos, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> >> Two new improvs, both apparently following a loose structure of >> loop-creation-section followed by pitch-shift games with the just-recorded >> material: >> >> Two-Phase Nylon Whistle < >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Index.taf?_PageId=7024&Title=Two-Phase-Nylon-Whistle&Artist=Warren-Sirota >> > >> >> >> and (yet another) excursion whose starting point is a 16th-century 3/8 >> dance rhythm: >> >> Bransle Variations 3.2 < >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Index.taf?_PageId=7029&Title=Bransle-Variations-3.2&Artist=Warren-Sirota >> > >> >> >> Hope you enjoy, >> Warren >> > > ------=_Part_42067_6360819.1228587208392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Daryl. That drone was a fortunately-out-of-control delay feedback setting.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Warren, great stuff! Lovely tone and development (and that awesome big drone at the end of "Bransle").

kudos,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

Two new improvs, both apparently following a loose structure of loop-creation-section followed by pitch-shift games with the just-recorded material:

Two-Phase Nylon Whistle <http://www.ubetoo.com/Index.taf?_PageId=7024&Title=Two-Phase-Nylon-Whistle&Artist=Warren-Sirota>



and (yet another) excursion whose starting point is a 16th-century 3/8 dance rhythm:

Bransle Variations 3.2 <http://www.ubetoo.com/Index.taf?_PageId=7029&Title=Bransle-Variations-3.2&Artist=Warren-Sirota>


Hope you enjoy,
Warren


------=_Part_42067_6360819.1228587208392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A61273BE8A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=ayzWnigvKrhpGbIftjGmweR4lO0W+ezZKFWa5uUJxhQ=; b=LzEQgOmwYbIeDTQvLrfuhUUlixeTSmTgvAa/UUm9bmJ8BPMBUJ/ELXwO5oS9ru23AU ZaPXaMRky1oBcc8V8sc/8LRBHFTFpniF9EkvHydyISV8fxLK4NBBA8h3ItYV6nSMpkan 4s5FFVKT663w4Aj2FuHKEqo7lZqeAeLifXRPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Vz+yKyZFERreGMc2lVy/pQEVxGS6UQU2MJakriobcp8h+Bxf2yijS3VTgX78Rj4EDa tfyWvFJMpnk9O/K1qrrUjyrGvAR9xmPibGqiIa2KeIm+sevBjrqvSWYPRkhcXFTsIYmR BJDBwN6EoshuEVnFKZnV2EXE09WdR989EYqWw= Message-ID: <493AC78C.9040607@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:42:20 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration References: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:42:24 +0000 (UTC) > Chris Sewell asked: > "This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older > guys can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks > weren't just props like they are today. These days, everything goes > through the PA. What did it sound like when only drums and vox went > through the PA? I had just one experience as a listener I'll never forget. It was in the early eighties or late seventies, a concert in Berlin at the local University, and there where Bands I forgot about, but they played through the usual PA system, not bad I suppose. But as all the Rock concerts back then I though "Its way too loud, even if I like it" My ears hurt... Then there came the headliner, a well known German rock band back then. They did not play through the PA, they had literally a wall of Marshalls behind them... Man what a difference! They where at least three times as loud as the bands before, but this time it wasn't too loud, it was just pure energy... Wouldn't work for any other type of music though... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 18:59:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F3E3BE8A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:55:11 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T events in December To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, My "The Debate REWIRED" piece is in a Juried group show at 110 Gallery in Lowell as described below. The show was excellent all around last year. I'll be performing at 119 with a very special jazz ensemble Doctor T Video Improvisations New Language Collaborative Eric Zinman Keyboard Glynis Loman Cello and voice Syd Smart Drums I'm looking forward to this one! Suggested donation $10. At 5:55 PM -0500 12/3/08, 119 Gallery wrote: >4th Annual Juried Show > >Anxiety Attack: in these times, what makes you anxious? > >Tue Nov 25- Sat Dec 20, Reception Sun Dec 7, 3 p.m. > >The 4th Annual Juried Show draws art from all quarters- Lowell, >Boston, the North Shore, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Lured by the >theme: Anxiety Attack, they responded with a variety of perspectives >executed in a range of media. Their blending of old and new >techniques is seamless: Hosner's digital prints feel like graphite, >Hegner's photograph belies its digital printing, and Jeffer's pop >image (our only fabric art this year) is as much an icon of the 20th >century as the 21st. > >Many personal demons hover in the gallery, while the general aura is >that of contemporary anxiety: a leeriness of consumerism, politics >and the media. Our human bodies are manifest, but surprisingly not >as ubiquitous obese passengers. Instead, our corporal nature is >strikingly represented by ethereal outlines. Hyun Ju Kim's False >Bodies are creations made not with human hands (in the traditional >sense), but with computer models and laser etching. > >Anxiety is a broad theme. What is one's fear is another's >excitement. What make one anxious can make another aroused.The >essence of anxiety is the same as art. No one knows were it comes >from or why- it's just there. > >The winning artist of the juried show will be announced at the >reception on Dec 7. The winner will be awarded a solo show in the >gallery. At 5:55 PM -0500 12/3/08, 119 Gallery wrote: >About 119 Gallery > >119 Gallery promotes contemporary and new media art, innovative >ideas and cutting-edge techniques with a rich and diverse program of >exhibitions, performances and community-based arts services. We >welcome people of all ages, backgrounds and means to explore and >experience new, innovative art. > >119 Gallery >119 Chelmsford St. >Lowell, MA 01851 >978/452-8138 >www.119gallery.org -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 19:18:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55C03BE8A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=z4gkDooiWCEKaxR8fPlOMV3jkdiN2LbCSbNnY7MV7+A=; b=RiiQtQV6i98wYAOQ3Pjy5H0zp0TvD6F+cddlEhkZh5h/n7lgJm0eJGULGHHoNpNeDi 5Lzlb6WqhtJxUuZXVE/lMHL+JF15MCoZ+rnQmYcejJyUwwl77HKXU3Bwqh5tI6CwDE7G ri/ESfWOuvmAKXvGnmlbYKeCcaHb/kBUOu84U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=PtYy+jxgXw87wN+iz+r/OFyQ/4wpQusjKGijwq9+9z55x+r8+Lqfm6RPcpeKCw0NLB qO8lnsCQ7Kj780uegmRhfGC2jJhLPrLdyEzMdpLKUbHXHZm7pgktSDCktRWKCgYs3C3T Esk3StaH4dTXjRaaZJDXs2W2Oz5NSoQHUjf3E= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812061118t2f8a7353pc9e7bf67222076e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:18:34 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration In-Reply-To: <493AC78C.9040607@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4939B7C5.1080807@cruzio.com> <493AC78C.9040607@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Louder and better IMO. That is if the stage level balanced the PA well and you had a good listening position in the room, with ear plugs in place. With bad balancing the sound had too little definition. The first loud concert I saw was Ted Nugent in 1970. I remember thinking it was interesting but way too loud to be listenable. I also thought the guy was too ridiculous to be watched, but stayed anyway to experience the loud sound. Back then, at fifteen, I was into players as Johnny Winter and Hendrix that made some tonal sense with guitar noise. Some years later I heard Focus and not only Jan Akkerman had a wall of Marhalls but also Thijs Van Leer, who also had several stacked Leslie cabinets behind him. His Hammond organ shook the ground but his flute and falsetto singing, going through the PA, could not be heard at all - except for during stops and breaks. First time I heard a band play with he kick drum put through the PA I thought it sounded fantastic! That night turned me into a kick drum lover and after that I always made effortsin order to hear the kick drum when playing with bands. Which wasn't always possible because everyone rehearsed so loudly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> Chris Sewell asked: >> "This was also slightly ahead of my time, but maybe some of the older guys >> can explain what a show sounded like when all those Marshall stacks weren't >> just props like they are today. These days, everything goes through the PA. >> What did it sound like when only drums and vox went through the PA? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 20:46:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB3F3BE88; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:46:47 EST Subject: Re: Doctor T events in December To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca9.3cc1217a.366c3eb7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:46:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ca9.3cc1217a.366c3eb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/6/08 1:59:33 PM, emile@foryourhead.com writes: > I'll be=A0 performing at 119 with a very special jazz ensemble >=20 will this be videoed?.....please! 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In a message dated 12/6/08 1:59:33 PM, emile@foryourhead.com writes:


I'll be=A0 performing= at 119 with a very special jazz ensemble


will this be videoed?.....please!



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
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Make your life easier with all your=20= friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_ca9.3cc1217a.366c3eb7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 22:26:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B00353BE86; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493AFBFA.4050309@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:26:02 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: bitrman (ineko)/sound in the good ole days... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Scott Hansen wrote: "as for the "old days sound"....i don't know...i saw springsteen back in march in omaha, and i thought the sound SUCKED!!!! it was way too loud,and just unpleasant to hear.i saw him on tour for his 90's solo albums back in '94, and that was a GREAT concert." You are soooo right, Scott. I was really exhausted when I wrote that piece of vitriol about subsonics but I had meant to say (and forgot to write) that I had just seen Springsteen and was horribly bummed out that the sound SUCKED!!!! One of the culprits: you guessed it, a stupidly over loud and over subbed kick drum and bass guitar sound.I was so bummed as I had dragged a young student of mine to see the concert on the whole basis of , "Hey, you have to see a truly great rhythm section in rock and roll who sound fantastic live." The thing I"m finding just hilarious is the trend in drum sizes in the indie rock scene. All the kids are hearing these huge subbed out kick drum sounds and they can't get anything resembling it acoustically, so all the drum manufacturers are starting to sell 4 piece kits with massive (and deep shelled , which increases subsonic mulitplication) 26" and 28" inch kick drums. You can make a properly tuned deep 18" kick have a huge subsonic sound with a very long envelope through the use of eq and subs....................Now these kids are playing kick drums that are impossible to get a tight sound out of. Play some of those typical Bonham 16th note triplet double fills on kick when it's running through the typical sub woofed system and it sounds completely unintelligble, rhythmically speaking. Mind you, Bonham used a 26" kick frequently (though not always despite rumors to the contrary) but there were no subs in the PAs in those days at all. Arrrrgggggghhhhh!, NEVER get me drunk and ask me about the subject, I become ahorrible stereotypical loud bore on the subject. Come to think of it, I think I may be a horrible stereotypical bore on this subject completely sober (which I am 98% of the time) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 22:40:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931683BE86; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=q46htZgAUQEKC+2/cUCXIa0pX3CAAbPqNCEyc7sdmfc=; b=IkCb0WawOEF4WXkvzk3CTM2hzEPnOm8GfoQCIqGoGb4V3+nIwyhwyqcgi9aU29xa5c 37kB8woLttWJi2DyXr57D66r0rPslOvpS6SJLSAdUjPA2pshTYgqK3izXCIYJNDnhzUS cQRSuZSerxobpYrar+lsjTCVlOuK6C92SDWCI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Mf8xvD4t51th+O4GEGRDId+ll7qWPCYaAI3MSWS8a7myVMSkn5Dz5dW1VZd9jFOI/y qwG55rVZ33GwyuKYArEpSdB984Q2BGxu7H3VNq7Zx0oAHApziLI/Wt5P85sPxbbi2nOZ rpMnlgJ8mbRRdpMZHemRUNh9ULtasead3GrH8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:40:04 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slicing audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49390CD7.6000601@owengreen.net> <9410A927-0226-4AA2-922B-6F0FD5D78C58@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: becfe0763ff7b1cf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) awesome. thanks a bunch. I definitely have a mac - in fact, one of the things to determine whether I'll use that program will be how mac-like it is. trying now... after fiddling around with audiofinder for a bit, it's definitely good, and its automatic slicing feature was way cool, but the amount of time it took me to slice 16 samples out of a full song was about the same as amadeus, and I found amadeus much easier to interact with quickly. i fiddled with amadeus and used to learn its marker functions and it's absolutely fantastic. i think i'll definitely be going with this. thanks again for all your help guys! On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:51 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Nick wrote: > >> The one thing that I wish it could do, however, is analyze a >> sample or part of a sample in the way that recycle can (by looking at >> the waveforms and setting markers at the beginning/end of each span of >> time that seems like a discrete sound). I'd be very thankful to hear >> of another program that could do that. > > If you have a Mac, the program AudioFinder has a slicing function that will > do that. > It is also a great audio file management tool. > > regards > > > BobC > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j set > > http://www.youtube.com/tynego > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 22:43:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141E53BE85; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493B0001.3050703@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:43:13 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: SHITTY SOUND = INNOVATION ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Scott Hansen also wrote: "pps-the other funny story i remember about live bands and sound in the 60's, this lady i used to work for 20 yrs ago, saw the beatles on their 1st american tour (she was older than i, and was an early teen when they came). she saw them in big football stadium, she said the place was filled w/ teen girls, you couldn't hear a thing (the vox amps not loud enough!) and all she remembered from the concert was some girl behind her was so excited and crazy when they came on, she leaped over a couple of rows of girls to get closer and broke her leg. guess that was the beatlemania hysteria....." RINGO STARR Yeah, it's cool that you mention that. Ringo Starr, it is shocking for some people to learn, came up with a very unusual way of doing fills (think all the fills in Abbey Road) that was so influential that the Los Angeles mafia of drummers in the 70's (Jim Gordon, Russ Kunkel and others including the 80's studio drum legends) based their playing off his approach. If you know the record 'Sweet Baby James' , which was James Taylor's breakthrough commercial success in 1971 imagine all the drum fills in 'Fire and Rain'. These are the types of fills that Ringo innovated. They were very syncopated with a lot of space inbetween strokes and they frequently occurred at unusual places in the song form (not always right before the chorus or bridge as is typical) Ringo was, however, not a very technically adept drummer. He could only roll with the left hand leading as an example which is ass backwards viz a vis most of the right handed rock and roll drumming that has occurred over the years. In an interview one time, he was asked how he developed such an idiosyncratic approach to filling and he replied that when the Beatles toured the last time, that the PA was so terrible (and the drums WEREN'T miced in Shea Stadium if you can believe that) and the screaming so loud that the Beatles had a horrible time performing because they just couldn't even hear themselves play. He said the screaming was so ubiquitous that it would go on the whole time they would be playing. Occasionally, however, the screaming would subside a little and he said he would just play a tom fill whenever that happened JUST TO BE ABLE TO HEAR HIMSELF PLAY. It was completely random. SHITTY SOUND = INNOVATION lol! I love it. MAX ROACH Another story of bad sound causing innovation was the famed modern jazz drummer/innovator Max Roach who was credited with freeing the modern jazz drummer from the hegemony of having to play quite quarter notes along with the walking bass line. I forget which record it was off the top of my head, but on one record the bass drum was suddenly just punctuating periodically and not playing time as everyone had always done since the invention of jazz drumming. When asked about that, he said that doing the sessions, someone accidentally kicked over the bass drum microphone and noone noticed till the end of the session. Because the kicks were always played really softly (but definitely audibly) the only kick drums you heard were when he would accent a particular phrase. Well the overheads only picked up the bombs, leaving the quarter note ride inaudible. The takes were so good that they decided not to retrack and the shit hit the fan as conservative jazz fans lambasted him for this daring new style and all the young drummers worshipped at his feet for liberating them from the tyranny of always playing quarter notes. SHITTY SOUND = INNOVATION From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 22:59:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F31A3BE85; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:43:57 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Doctor T events in December In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:59:08 +0000 (UTC) At 3:46 PM -0500 12/6/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/6/08 1:59:33 PM, emile@foryourhead.com writes: > >>I'll be performing at 119 with a very special jazz ensemble >> > > >will this be videoed?.....please! Depends on whether someone gives me an audio feed. > > > >"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > >new groovy tunes at: >http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 >www.ct-collective.com > > > > > >************** >Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite >sites in one place. Try it now. >(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -- Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer and Digital Photographer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld "Don't make book, if you cannot cover bets." -- Tom Lehrer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 6 23:28:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F80F3BE85; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tHQLvXmkjcpWlo6kvARDzGslQ0Swbp/Jqma/7z/O3lZ5uVcBFzQ3gGersh2QFLaVjR9ax7wODZUqyJ26oVGIZNTZYzbynn54QrC68Gi21SNlIqS39aMMK+er0mE7wZc2UflWps7+jO6ovbNT+OaHEqonRtWcLJI+lIrt5ufQc4I=; X-YMail-OSG: QxxC4q0VM1m4nrSJb0O6_Y5lYZUtTFvGHzx2JQ0IalzEYc0t06kvSxAy3ZX_QxUyXKjdYoQHmdPjdP4tHj4vtLtfTGfVW1Q0yJs.MaZO98X9hioKTVuj4seaQssyIuCymFD2bjLfNhf5mFAmsnC3.xbJAfRyU6pbEsWT8Q7JdNeYaqAFap62XtGG2XU- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:28:54 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:28:55 +0000 (UTC) So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was ti= me to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most recent= work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old.=0A=0AThi= s is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these pi= eces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every day= and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a resu= lt of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I began, = but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit.=0A=0AThe pieces are not particu= alrly polished because part of=A0the=A0contract is that I don't spend any m= ore than an hour and a half composing/recording anything, and that includes= warm-up time. I spend a little time after the fact mixing down in Live or = Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a result of this disciplne th= at I literally don' have time to mix everything down.=A0So I mix down as ra= pidly as possible, doing little more than set panning and levels.Very littl= e post effects are used...a rare compressor or eq is the extent of it.=A0= =0A=0AIn the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating = a polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last = couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows.=0A=0AHere's the= link:=0A=0Ahttp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D7049=0A=0A-George= =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 01:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5CE33BE8C; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fml1qT/II2c3KSDS8jYiTBZrg1DFDc+XTWf1pz3m/Bc=; b=j8bm9wNYcehaKcgGks3xnBiq05Z4B71s2FW5df/Lv1xiRwgxMCZN+/uCFrld6R5ZiC 19E1mlZxjoRjjBTpxBnl/+FWQzTKU7zQI3vSu/ZqmWiCPr2HGJOQfXPShMhZBYS+VjkM QYU2GPRNch8F79PtRdsgaslyw0cyMx+FUga8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Aft/hE/EkvniuGVcHJ7G9vUFAydmYnmj6sMVKTez9dw3dOklT10m92gSyfmKY3JjiT vGdOI+tXYeb3SqDssM8t9enAPxE6wMckmKUDhJ8fhFBiSoVtx2Czq0GQNvYRkbiFf93V E6jrnSdjpPUYZs8uqf5pUYeu26CyYcvoySYJw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812061713j1ce8ba82j112847fe382cc988@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:13:43 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration In-Reply-To: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. Enjoyed listening. The Parson's Daughter became my favorite. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM, George Ludwig wrote: > So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was time to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most recent work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old. > > This is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these pieces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every day and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a result of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I began, but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit. > > The pieces are not particualrly polished because part of the contract is that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half composing/recording anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a little time after the fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time to mix everything down. So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing little more than set panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a rare compressor or eq is the extent of it. > > In the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating a polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=7049 > > -George > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 02:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C98C3BE8A; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228617450; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=B3ZqtSDtWhj1Vv/VCJfDnFKjkvk=; b=dAEKRDcZ+09QmWiK4hx9BXiiJUgbc7fzx9RqW4xBITeJaVm8iQWKHyKhFulkT/rY hMZLUgH5qb0CDybfJ9odfZagsLtSZMe2sfWjpb8NPa48L313h0KFOzQEUSFr5r8L; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=vYlLnGhBNXz_49LMgsMA:9 a=sKTTDvLD_xGXBNJEvq_gzXOAChoA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=JkbY8HJDWbhUlmMf7GcA:9 a=Kni_9plXyMCnkGdvH58A:7 a=fnXG-0Q6300b5RK7Y_kPtkEhN0AA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: Eivind Aarset Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:37:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C957EA.D82866E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclYEyb/1wUjhrVZRq29gWSgZaFq2AAAEBQQAAArx8A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:37:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C957EA.D82866E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While on the subject of Mr. Aarset, I've seen these incredible vids on YouTube: Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdkCE0UDq2w &feature=related And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TLsV4dz_pk &NR=1 Check out Eivind's work around 6:00 into this one. He's playing as part of Dhafer Youssef's (the Tunisian oud player) band and they are all kicking some ass! Happy viewing! Crank it up!! LOL Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C957EA.D82866E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While on the subject of Mr. Aarset, I’ve seen = these incredible vids on YouTube:

 

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHdkCE0UDq2w&feature=3Drelated=

 

And here: http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9TLsV4dz_pk&NR=3D1 Check out Eivind’s work around 6:00 into this = one…

 

He’s playing as part of Dhafer Youssef’s = (the Tunisian oud player) band and they are all kicking some = ass!

 

Happy viewing! Crank it up!! = LOL

 

Ed in NJ

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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C957EA.D82866E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 03:12:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 122BB3BE88; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IZeWzsjXJ0+lJ/dR5wldsZXxJI+K2oq2MoTrhswbbb/gpOuwCfTUCCwRFU9r48Bv46Hrer3vTFdX8Qgmrdvdsb6D/sQRP5lTyYH7aL6PYz2hqTyKT9Ihd1kmk55rOosekrW87Iolt2+hbqae0DOQpZ0m3vbBflIsnN1iSaBeJZs=; X-YMail-OSG: T7ZeFXsVM1npbNX9dUTSuGhH40vW5ztYwymHuxQ6TvgBobYezFWNjraNvjPWp5hRpAkw8SoxwjCun1zMbGOdi4_PY0QG1EwXEroT0lhFLYq_cduz62TkF2aAFzGzoHfVATy_Imv1Ch1dQPpBMTqhIkOetpQ9toAb.0s.m640SutFE3hp.iJZLVBugKc2ryBdUvfyrJy.OleV7sysDUQswF9Xn4Aqhg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812061713j1ce8ba82j112847fe382cc988@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <299437.13620.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Per, Thanks for listening! BTW, I really enjoy your work. :) -George ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 5:13:43 PM Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration Thanks. Enjoyed listening. The Parson's Daughter became my favorite. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM, George Ludwig wrote: > So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was time to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most recent work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old. > > This is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these pieces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every day and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a result of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I began, but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit. > > The pieces are not particualrly polished because part of the contract is that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half composing/recording anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a little time after the fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time to mix everything down. So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing little more than set panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a rare compressor or eq is the extent of it. > > In the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating a polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=7049 > > -George > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 03:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672E43BE88; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=rcWsxx6PMzqKeoW3Sc0Jzje+V614DbRDSJaynQQo5E0=; b=N509cvL/TmX9bB8X9MniCTuW2DK+yfV8Ne1plsffJ51naIyYON2VknWma07HoV6KNA UQ64yOjbLjDKsgPROPna8p75hRimS/OkwLnNRTRWgVjr/E6cgpgRxCQ6yuiyLmuZWv8V 3Js3r4EKUNDEGZ1UlcpghxtSP3J5llsk9sSOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CuQZn2yUT1eB6Ui9C5GH+K2d7xuY+UBHaSL7R+Dfe1rzzCTqzvgngXcnWqjs9piZ+z LpA8UbNf9pdnl9yuaXNb/sV6DvLQ9MaZG68PLSmuzyZEzXa9b8Kux3S3TjZoUkt1zde9 g5EX5HKwSdOfzi62XleJ22k8J4jKTOYSc0UGc= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812061919t1adc7e8aq30e8196468220d99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:19:06 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Back in the Day was Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9ESfAC.A.2dB.sC0OJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Rick, thanks for that inspiration from your two messages (I believe now it's three) on the topic, and by adding another, third, anecdote to your collection, I'm making the connection to your first message mentioning BD sizes: Elvin Jones, who became famous as the drummer for John Coltrane's quartet, helped to define the drum sound for acoustic modern jazz groups by using a bass drum of 18'' diameter, while before him, all jazz drummers used at least 20'' bass drums. Of course, this gave the music of Coltrane's trio a more punchy and articulated bass drum sound and left more space for the bass in the frequency spectrum. This was then heralded as an important innovation in jazz drum sound. When approached about this topic, Elvin Jones replied that he had actually preferred to use a bigger bass drum like everyone else, but it wouldn't fit into the touring van. So in this case: SHITTY TOURING VEHICLE = INNOVATION From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 03:46:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7C53BE8C; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_77c59a38-9d10-4fb0-b1a4-c05b259e2aa7_" X-Originating-IP: [121.45.141.38] From: andrew gallasch To: Subject: delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:16:37 +1030 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2008 03:46:37.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[67CBC340:01C9581E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:46:38 +0000 (UTC) --_77c59a38-9d10-4fb0-b1a4-c05b259e2aa7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone=2C i kinda like my dd-6=2C it's small and everything=2C I generally use long r= epeats... and actually I almost exclusively use it for rhythmic complexitie= s like dotted quavers over quarters=2C 5 quavers over 4 etc... (I should pr= obably have something better with better tap tempo... anyway) I also use it= for weird sounds with lots of feedback and delay=2C as such I want to hook= up an expression pedal to each of the feedback AND delay time pots. Does a= nyone have any tips for this=2C what expression pedals to use etc? Or other= non conventional controllers? I suppose the dd6 would use all 3 terminals = of the pots inside (will check) will that complicate things? I've been checking out some different pedals with fx loops=2C I found these= ... Moog 104-z Keeley/Boss DD-3 Eventide TimeFactor..... if they can be bothered writing the plugin for it I'm really keen to chuck a few pedals/an entire rig into the fx loop of a d= elay so does anyone have any of the above 3 pedals for sale or know where t= o get them cheap(ish)? or a boomerang phrase sampler for good measure? Eventide got rid of the delay time change glitch (I love that glitch) does = anyone know how the glitch sounds (compared to a dd6) for a dd20=2C line6 e= tc... it'd be pretty similar I imagine but if you know... also=2C it's quite markedly different on analog yeah? smoother... And finally what does everyone use for their complex rhythmic delay stuff= =2C with convenient tap tempo etc. so far eventide stomp looks wicked=2C but your thoughts dd20? dl4? echopark= ??? thanks for any/all help _________________________________________________________________ Net yourself a bargain. Find great deals on eBay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frove= r%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10&_t=3D763807330&_r=3DhotmailT= AGLINES&_m=3DEXT= --_77c59a38-9d10-4fb0-b1a4-c05b259e2aa7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey everyone=2C

i kinda like my dd-6=2C it's small and everythin= g=2C I generally use long repeats... and actually I almost exclusively use = it for rhythmic complexities like dotted quavers over quarters=2C 5 quavers= over 4 etc... (I should probably have something better with better tap tem= po... anyway) I also use it for weird sounds with lots of feedback and dela= y=2C as such I want to hook up an expression pedal to each of the feedback = AND delay time pots. Does anyone have any tips for this=2C what expression = pedals to use etc? Or other non conventional controllers? I suppose the dd6= would use all 3 terminals of the pots inside (will check) will that compli= cate things?


I've been checking out some different pedals with f= x loops=2C I found these...

Moog 104-z
Keeley/Boss DD-3
Eventi= de TimeFactor..... if they can be bothered writing the plugin for it
I'm really keen to chuck a few pedals/an entire rig into the fx loop of a = delay so does anyone have any of the above 3 pedals for sale or know where = to get them cheap(ish)? or a boomerang phrase sampler for good measure?
=
Eventide got rid of the delay time change glitch (I love that glitch) d= oes anyone know how the glitch sounds (compared to a dd6) for a dd20=2C lin= e6 etc... it'd be pretty similar I imagine but if you know...
also=2C it= 's quite markedly different on analog yeah? smoother...

And finally = what does everyone use for their complex rhythmic delay stuff=2C with conve= nient tap tempo etc.
so far eventide stomp looks wicked=2C but your thou= ghts dd20? dl4? echopark???


thanks for any/all help

Find great deals on eBay = Net yourself a bargain = --_77c59a38-9d10-4fb0-b1a4-c05b259e2aa7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 08:43:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69F73BE8D; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 116569791/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al8CAKQbO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIjnOFNLdpgwWDew X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,728,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="116569791" Message-ID: <493B8DC2.4050602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:48:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SHITTY SOUND = INNOVATION ? References: <493B0001.3050703@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <493B0001.3050703@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > subwoofed PA systems into some kind of innovation> > > the innovation already happened .....Stadium Rock well, I guess you were thinking about *worthwhile* innovation :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 08:55:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC87D3BE88; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 116572060/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkEBAPcdO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIzBiDBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,728,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="116572060" Message-ID: <493B9066.4090209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:59:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:55:01 +0000 (UTC) andrew gallasch wrote: > And finally what does everyone use for their complex rhythmic delay > stuff, with convenient tap tempo etc. > so far eventide stomp looks wicked, but your thoughts dd20? dl4? echopark??? > Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man. (although note that you can only tap up to about a second, even though the max delay is 3s) (also you only get the straight tap time, not automatic division for "dot rhythms") Lexicon Vortex allows you to tap the time and set divisions (and configuration) for 2 delays, that's what I use for my polyechoes. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 10:23:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5473BE8E; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/ecn1PW+913IRODunzQuLJ9H1oUELcJwLQShNPz7qQQ=; b=Ugvts2L0VhFeel0StXwMAhV8u9pCFXia0VFtOS15//OlvAUX3yXqXCPW5w2HSCqNWG 0e0bZ7g2h7+ILMYDQdHDK3+/32vKyUM4x8hj+ENW/p3s9BYCz7hZu1YdixoxOq8r3iKX JwIEGcfBznzOKsaLqUXAP3ZiB7Q/RCuE3xna4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TcpvW6v3e0QJGCd42CSPi27qYPwhkzunaUnjCOBQLP9tpzvqyE8LGUw4//HC3/xVIg rgqeLxMNA+gLyvgfDLAis2mvFOauqfATIHlESl0+VzIbPXgW0MtFsXPXxPngvW6wchDY /C3X5oedvS3WloWX4+3ayakAkasF9/buCMwVo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:23:41 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... In-Reply-To: <493B9066.4090209@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70799_5542949.1228645421694" References: <493B9066.4090209@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:23:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70799_5542949.1228645421694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and don't forget the Pigtronix Echolution - two delays with tap tempo and subdivisions... http://www.pigtronix.com/products08/echolution.html On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > andrew gallasch wrote: > > And finally what does everyone use for their complex rhythmic delay stuff, >> with convenient tap tempo etc. >> so far eventide stomp looks wicked, but your thoughts dd20? dl4? >> echopark??? >> >> > Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man. > (although note that you can only tap up to about a second, > even though the max delay is 3s) > (also you only get the straight tap time, not automatic division for "dot > rhythms") > > Lexicon Vortex allows you to tap the time and set divisions (and > configuration) > for 2 delays, that's what I use for my polyechoes. > > andy butler > > ------=_Part_70799_5542949.1228645421694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and don't forget the Pigtronix Echolution - two delays with tap tempo and subdivisions...



On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:59 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


andrew gallasch wrote:

And finally what does everyone use for their complex rhythmic delay stuff, with convenient tap tempo etc.
so far eventide stomp looks wicked, but your thoughts dd20? dl4? echopark???


Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man.
(although note that you can only tap up to about a second,
even though the max delay is 3s)
(also you only get the straight tap time, not automatic division  for "dot rhythms")

Lexicon Vortex allows you to tap the time and set divisions (and configuration)
for 2 delays, that's what I use for my polyechoes.

andy butler


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 13:13:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5BF3BE88; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=ah8UDnDTLGe0y4eKB3tupe53ckxXSf/p2BMeZxyjkUY=; b=OeEHhHWjCNmStIPt858p618+4UKYXnnIc6T7f2toCON9pT8j39vFSn4N1xlGypccfB QLbHSRquxZ7jpQvpSvpqBHT8lftlw8R7AXOq1dcAtXjBPARtqjr9Ro7t6dtFZdqB1DBK 2PkmwjcnZkRiSkDcYh7nezWIx3/GZHAA+Wsyw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=fcO1P7MBu0oQpEDsPvLGivTMjZAmklC3L9mX2aSnKEuUc8Nj+mp6I/o0qDOzfLt94A ChEi05noG/Ng+EW9NRYZuFFqCEqrIs5g/4AKfDgdFhTkoRf5MkBPUWX16VpWI15yH8nr rpu5GAynW7dqSFeP1JU9rlq+80BEMPIMfppto= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:13:44 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: Vortex problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77312_24221506.1228655624438" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8a51ab5587361535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:13:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_77312_24221506.1228655624438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have this happen to them? You buy a new piece of kit off the internet (in my case the roland ef303 on ebay) ... and eagerly await its arrival.. meanwhile, a long standing and trusted piece of kit, stops working. It always happens to me... its like it KNOWS that its time has come... like YOU NOT SELLING ME YOU BASTARD... ID RATHER DIE!!! Anyway: The vortex: Suddenly all the echo parts of the patches disappear... all modulation or panning of filter parts of the patches, are ok!!! I restart the box (not easy with the vortex, why cant all things have an on/off switch on the front) unplug the power and plug back in... And lo and behold the echos are back... a little later they dissappear again, cant quite figure out what Im doing when they go, but I DONT think they just dissappear on their own acord, I think its wwhen I alter something - which is of course ALL THE TIME... Its annoying - I was beginning to lose interest in the Vortex, but its always been there, (unsellable anyway cos its a littlebit circuit bent - NO that not the prob.. its been like that for ages!!! - besides I know what Im doing....) Any ideas??? Specifically Andy, or Ted??? M -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_77312_24221506.1228655624438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have this happen to them? You buy a new piece of kit off the internet (in my case the roland ef303 on ebay) ... and eagerly await its arrival.. meanwhile, a long standing and trusted piece of kit, stops working. It always happens to me... its like it KNOWS that its time has come... like YOU NOT SELLING ME YOU BASTARD... ID RATHER DIE!!!

Anyway:

The vortex: Suddenly all the echo parts of the patches disappear... all modulation or panning of filter parts of the patches, are ok!!! I restart the box (not easy with the vortex, why cant all things have an on/off switch on the front) unplug the power and plug back in... And lo and behold the echos are back... a little later they dissappear again, cant quite figure out what Im doing when they go, but I DONT think they just dissappear on their own acord, I think its wwhen I alter something - which is of course ALL THE TIME...

Its annoying - I was beginning to lose interest in the Vortex, but its always been there, (unsellable anyway cos its a littlebit circuit bent - NO that not the prob.. its been like that for ages!!! - besides I know what Im doing....) Any ideas???

Specifically Andy, or Ted???

M

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------=_Part_77312_24221506.1228655624438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 14:39:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC6F3BE86; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=7/Xk1uJ7/WraZLvELMqCSvrKdnQFXdMskQWBvmQX2pY=; b=SX7VWN5p4UTalVsOJjxsGsMrcioW1gX0bNVQWiF9tXYudtxWTb+CBaZKUxB/cpa7yC HuO21569W6NHHh1crbQ5KLJGs9QnRdchS/APw5vh0xasiMyylLbrS21ecpm4zPk8fwE0 2ncdeIXczJIj8mHCyNlmxQzRzdKRe0tzfB0S8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bqrmUinhtv/hep/SJoh04OnGMULrzLfxK8GKRReuYlnW85uhIcwHbkUeMkJ4qANZQQ Pky28N5LUflEZeejEC7D02fucGM4s0wFlodEZaEzIuPGyxc52Ujo1BZA2eN+ToRJDFKx FtYnYJSu2sQbfkliQUYdAU5W/Iyq1ufNzfrYg= Message-ID: <101191640812070639k6abd55b3w2f0e6d62ca2af53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:39:12 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration In-Reply-To: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52668_5090769.1228660752560" References: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a6a644f5e09f3c12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52668_5090769.1228660752560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey George, nice stuff. I'm enjoying it. so far, Calling has been my favorite. Are you liking that Godin jazz guitar? would you really play jazz with it? Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was > time to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most > recent work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old. > > This is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these > pieces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every > day and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a > result of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I > began, but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit. > > The pieces are not particualrly polished because part of the contract is > that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half composing/recording > anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a little time after the > fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a > result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time to mix everything > down. So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing little more than set > panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a rare compressor or > eq is the extent of it. > > In the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating a > polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last > couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=7049 > > -George > > > > > ------=_Part_52668_5090769.1228660752560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey George, nice stuff. I'm enjoying it.  so far, Calling has been my favorite.

Are you liking that Godin jazz guitar? would you really play jazz with it?

Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
http://www.warrensirota.com

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was time to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most recent work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old.

This is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these pieces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every day and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a result of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I began, but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit.

The pieces are not particualrly polished because part of the contract is that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half composing/recording anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a little time after the fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time to mix everything down. So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing little more than set panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a rare compressor or eq is the extent of it. 

In the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating a polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows.

Here's the link:

http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=7049

-George





------=_Part_52668_5090769.1228660752560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 15:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 825D93BE82; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:21:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-reply-to: <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:23:05 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Ableton for looping, > Bidule for LiveLooping > ... > and Bidule's cheaper. Where to get Bidule and how much? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 15:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4209C3BE86; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8xNoaJ1/Jji3kxWQenbE1EuvfNtFj8N6HWoijfUSE+k=; b=H4dl6y5i7KA+RgtiLEPMdnvF0lqeF6nZcMFGRvK5Snrhr9SjoTD3KjVuTwWrGz3ebV nU7mEFOqcsYyUw/qiRLZ5bnxKMTHVHZ8Yi0l4atIIoHxqJrqEdAadJwW5zFPBilsTRA9 kccOCAKX8eF5swCerZ+2LMpeMHAqyyVgjTvCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HFymX6nr545aBsQER+O3s1YF2SoDn0PkQTkHsuAwqhfJvaaYvVb+jDIjLKW+5gB0QB oWaS6CBfjs5jEooR2DDQ70PfUJEZSWm7qDkeDEGN9xETYvzlj40OxzvKrUrYCdYsaodX z3+la8qndUSSyb551X9azWT0nUjbHGhUvbtsQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:33:04 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:33:06 +0000 (UTC) > andy butler wrote: >> >> Ableton for looping, >> Bidule for LiveLooping >> ... >> and Bidule's cheaper. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Where to get Bidule and how much? > > Cheers, > > Bill Get it here: http://www.plogue.com/ It's free. Bidule is still i beta but if you like it you can buy the "Early Bird License", which isn't expensive at all. What you get with for extra with the Early Bird license is the option to also run Bidule as a plug-in, Audio Unit or VST. I must say that I have had good use for the plug-in version. One thing you can do is to use it as a VST to AU adaptor on Mac. You can also crate spacey effect plug-in chains in Bidule by combining your VST or AU plug-ins in different routing. Whenever you want to load that complete setup into any other audio host you simply open the Bidule plug-in and then load your fx routing setup from withing Bidule AU/VST. A third task I've used Bidul plug-in for is to fetch or send a MIDI stream from some specific device that is not detected by the host application. 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(http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c48.223bb922.366d5422_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 17:14:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BA33BE86; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=63wmtjrNegMGK8o6W/GDaOdHDAbYIudXGxu5uKxLZc4=; b=R5QVHk5ZfXpJeAo+ZQIWvClOyyLtlBpg6/RSojtNHOovwC6smHSEW+AB5PHxJJUBM0 q7a881JeowfjBHyXCMNB9MUHR5kg+KrxlcbZBb4dBTxilbuJeyBvOFmfxvkh4CjNrMLW Olu1cffyMWVlErQbDj1p0pk67rCDmpMpcZHOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=V+c7SaPlD5SnLHmGrA0bRk0LKfqOaZvPfp/xtRe9qpjjOAjy+YQapERlsZmT1wZzt5 e8Znm5ulBQWZ/vylE8NhVcyrHzjuzFzol8BWPdzvNPDsh4hgLfQErh0LMzzqexH3V7aL 1rfsMbADP1Dtm05ZYsLwqHNDsOmhxRtC+UnAA= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812070913y69393f5cj1adf4addc6310674@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:13:59 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sit down or stand up (was: bitrman (ineko)/sound in the good ole days...) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Michael, you asked: "i now watch all these wonderful videos with just about everyone sitting down.....SIT or STAND, what's the deal?", to which I'm gonna answer using a video as reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPgTW-qmXQ Two guitarists, one standing, one sitting down. Who looks cooler? If you're not already convinced, take the example of rock singers doing ballads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljzGgrl4njA against http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRB4f26pNJ0 Standing up gives you more possibilities for audience interaction, and doesn't make you look stupid. (not wanting to musically discredit the first example - and the guitar solo is outstanding and demonstrates that yes, you can play a superchops guitar solo to a ballad and at the same time be musical. The entire DVD that concert is taken from is available as a download here: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-130153110827656830&ei=eAA8SZioKI-o2wKZ8fzaCg&q=dream+theater+live+at+budokan&hl=de&dur=3 Keep up Rock 'n' Roll! And go out and attach that Bitrman to your guitar, so you can play it standing up. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 17:39:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1C93BE89; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 112957901/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4AAMeYO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIzC+DBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,730,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="112957901" Message-ID: <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:43:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2N4p3C.A.3NH.GpAPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:39:19 +0000 (UTC) hi Mark, If it's some kind of bug then I can only guess that it's to do with saving a preset to a different register. I don't remember the details but say you saved preset 14B to register 1A. It should work, but for some combinations of source/destination the Vortex goes haywire. ( massed digi-distortion on one occasion, but with intact A-B morphing to a regular sound...hmm...maybe that's something you'd like). It's possible it's a hardware thing, as I reckon the echo & mod are done in different parts of the circuit. Did you check the ECHO LVL param? Does tweaking it get the Echoes back? If my unit was doing this, I'd leave it switched for days on in the hope that the fault became permanent, then I'd take it to the local electronics fixer, making sure I used the phrase "leaky capacitor" at least once. (Vortex schematic now available from http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm ) good luck andy butler mark francombe wrote: > The vortex: Suddenly all the echo parts of the patches disappear... all > modulation or panning of filter parts of the patches, are ok!!! I > restart the box (not easy with the vortex, why cant all things have an > on/off switch on the front) unplug the power and plug back in... And lo > and behold the echos are back... > > Specifically Andy, or Ted??? > > M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 17:47:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13C33BE85; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 116728513/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4AAFubO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIzDCDBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,730,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="116728513" Message-ID: <493C0D24.4020009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:51:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >> andy butler wrote: >>> Ableton for looping, >>> Bidule for LiveLooping >>> ... >>> and Bidule's cheaper. > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Bill Fox wrote: >> Where to get Bidule and how much? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill > > > Get it here: > http://www.plogue.com/ > > It's free. Bidule is still i beta but if you like it you can buy the > "Early Bird License", which isn't expensive at all. > If you don't get the license then the software times out, and usually there's a bit of a wait before they put the new version online for download. So it's risky not to get the license, and at £60 or so it's well worth it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 17:48:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073973BE79; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 116729062/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEAAFubO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIjnO9PYMFg3s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,730,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="116729062" Message-ID: <493C0D88.1080107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:53:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bitrman (ineko)/sound in the good ole days... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9k1p-C.A.u4H.FyAPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > have spent the past few years atempting to play standing up, as per > kim's prejudice, wasn't there a thread on this in the way back?.....so ..and Kim just ignores my "two expression pedal challenge" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E253BE85; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <21005B2C-CA21-4046-B7AA-9C703015CD4D@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: amazing one man band Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:28:15 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:28:42 +0000 (UTC) watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQZs6FyFbY Its my composer friend Tato Taborda with his instrument "Geralda", a projects he works on for years, together with inventor Alexandre Boratto do Vale... ...using two Paradis LOOP delays :-) Now they rebuilt his amazing instrument in order to make it more portable, so I hope Tato can finally do his word tour... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:47:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DFD23BE86; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=JO2cN1GL8fYPnVFZiZuuLD4RxTYWyHxeub0+0kJgbsQ=; b=EZr3XTjT+/+/5lm3d6SsTTLHGTAwlY0sdYLTx16u8R+VQUSobF1WxsSN7/UPNeJNV2 pG1IqzavMPWWE5+eKOB7Bf0wY1zcvvDb9VBGB6B/2mm4eZgTaISrpReRC1vyntVgh2Id 2BNrNV90eHIaOz9nd8dZiAxylGsjG4M9/Vx3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hWzCFjuAylg4yY8U9IG/Y7Dk5/j8G5p+yHF27KJP3SD8B6oxP/pyIpTZIbRMkjO15w ymrkSkPmCWpsG6wtVOXm7nLxU5lIAP5hrzR0HFRS/r8PWJv/Iq5mdap54UNydu4mnwY3 n10/5EbCuCLjAcrecQNDL2kRad+57F0QCK8NA= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:47:48 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80144_27646611.1228675668293" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65773c2ade699f7a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_80144_27646611.1228675668293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:43 PM, andy butler wrote: > hi Mark, > If it's some kind of bug then I can only > guess that it's to do with saving a preset to a different register. > I don't remember the details but say you saved > preset 14B to register 1A. No I dont think its that... Im rarely saving preset these days... > > It should work, but for some combinations of source/destination > the Vortex goes haywire. ( massed digi-distortion on one occasion, > but with intact A-B morphing to a regular sound...hmm...maybe that's > something you'd like). Indeed... Never come across that!! > > > It's possible it's a hardware thing, as I reckon the echo & mod > are done in different parts of the circuit. Thats what I was afraid of... > > > Did you check the ECHO LVL param? > Does tweaking it get the Echoes back? no.. > If my unit was doing this, I'd leave it switched for days on in the hope > that the fault became permanent, then I'd take it to the local electronics > fixer, making sure I used the phrase > "leaky capacitor" at least once. Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor? > > (Vortex schematic now available from > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm ) Interesting!!! More playing with reveals that the echos vanish just randomly, UPON TURNING THE PRESET ENCODER... can be any patch.. might it be a dodgy / dirty encoder? Can I clean it (like some pots?) thanks andy... looks like I need an expert.... damn.!!! mark -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_80144_27646611.1228675668293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:43 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
hi Mark,
If it's some kind of bug then I can only
guess that it's to do with saving a preset to a different register.
I don't remember the details but say you saved
preset 14B to register 1A.

No I dont think its that... Im rarely saving preset these days...

It should work, but for some combinations of source/destination
the Vortex goes haywire. ( massed digi-distortion on one occasion,
but with intact A-B morphing to a regular sound...hmm...maybe that's
something you'd like).

Indeed... Never come across that!!
 


It's possible it's a hardware thing, as I reckon the echo & mod
are done in different parts of the circuit.

Thats what I was afraid of...


Did you check the ECHO LVL param?
Does tweaking it get the Echoes back?

no..

 
If my unit was doing this, I'd leave it switched for days on in the hope
that the fault became permanent, then I'd take it to the local electronics fixer, making sure I used the phrase
"leaky capacitor" at least once.

Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor?
 

(Vortex schematic now available from http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm )

Interesting!!!

More playing with reveals that the echos vanish just randomly, UPON TURNING THE PRESET ENCODER... can be any patch.. might it be a dodgy / dirty encoder? Can I clean it (like some pots?)

thanks andy... looks like I need an expert.... damn.!!!

mark

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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
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www.looop.no
------=_Part_80144_27646611.1228675668293-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:50:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867BF3BE85; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5aiIllq6wVgLljetN1a8HoPkUoDhtjCiCUevvgxTdm78RSwaC7bAJamqd+NtE7OXpU8FLdKzEeVrtXTu8OXmmFuQ4E/+ZJIMMfyon2eV/mPA6cM3EGarO/QeRtsD6+h9PUI8FTOFN8Jg1BmC/BvGz9iWvr+liOqVhX/VwYx3z0Q=; X-YMail-OSG: 4Z0jgIIVM1k3gKDcBqY1iKGNDiC_E7j9WmAXT40JlUYLz49caykL4F7NwT42r44IcuD89fluu9kp_kh8A49yrAi3DYL4UvaTu6lhP2eNnFT9TcErd0GKAXDUSXk2vGTK4VqvfWSFe.6mYon80jUiottBMzWLfi6PBqspxKRp3Krf65tdS3DV_umOhoU- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <747698.77239.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <101191640812070639k6abd55b3w2f0e6d62ca2af53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-488571520-1228675847=:74294" Message-ID: <539045.74294.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-488571520-1228675847=:74294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren, =0A=0AThanks for listening! I responded to your post-production que= stion on the site. As for the Godin Multiac Jazz, I'm loving it. I would de= finitely plazz jazz on it. The electronics are pretty sophisticated, and it= took some time for me to get the tones that I like out of it. When I first= got it, I thought, "crap, this thing plays great but the tone sucks." But = it's working really well for me now. One of the differences between it and = other semis/archtops is that the body of the Godin is VERY solid, and I don= 't think it resonates as lively as, say, a 335 does. But I suspect that's o= n purpose so the guitar doesn't "bark" or feedback at higher performance vo= lumes.=0A=0AIt's also proven to be an incredibly solid and stable guitar sy= nth platform. I've strung it with extra-heavy strings, and it's got sustain= for days.=A0People who have heard some of my tracks swear there is piano o= n them! I'm guessing it's due to the extra heavy strings combined with how = I sometimes use a wah pedal to achieve certain tonal effects.=0A=0AAnd the = craftsmanship is top-notch. I'm completely anal about=A0necks; I've had thr= ee of my guitars pleck'd. The Godin needs no such thing.=A0I would not hesi= tate to reccomend this instrument to anyone.=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A___= _____________________________=0AFrom: Warren Sirota = =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sunday, December 7, 2008= 6:39:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration=0A=0AHey= George, nice stuff. I'm enjoying it.=A0 so far, Calling has been my favori= te.=0A=0AAre you liking that Godin jazz guitar? would you really play jazz = with it?=0A=0AWarren=0Ahttp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679=0A= http://www.warrensirota.com=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM, George = Ludwig wrote:=0A=0ASo I've been hanging around the= list for a while now, and decided it was time to share. I created a ubetoo= account and uploaded some of my most recent work. I don't think any of it = is more than a couple of weeks old.=0A=0AThis is somewhat relevant to the I= nspiration/Work thread, in that all these pieces are the result of a decisi= on I made a few months ago to play every day and record it. I have been sho= cked at the diversity of my output as a result of this daily discipline. So= many times I felt uninspired when I began, but somewhere along the line, B= ANG! It hit.=0A=0AThe pieces are not particualrly polished because part of= =A0the=A0contract is that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half co= mposing/recording anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a littl= e time after the fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so m= uch material as a result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time = to mix everything down.=A0So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing littl= e more than set panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a ra= re compressor or eq is the extent of it.=A0=0A=0AIn the next couple of mont= hs I will be putting effort in to creating a polished album (or three...I'v= e generated that much material in the last couple of months!), and hopefull= y start playing some shows.=0A=0AHere's the link:=0A=0Ahttp://www.ubetoo.co= m/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D7049=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=0A --0-488571520-1228675847=:74294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Warren,
 
Thanks for listening! I responded to your post-production question on the site. As for the Godin Multiac Jazz, I'm loving it. I would definitely plazz jazz on it. The electronics are pretty sophisticated, and it took some time for me to get the tones that I like out of it. When I first got it, I thought, "crap, this thing plays great but the tone sucks." But it's working really well for me now. One of the differences between it and other semis/archtops is that the body of the Godin is VERY solid, and I don't think it resonates as lively as, say, a 335 does. But I suspect that's on purpose so the guitar doesn't "bark" or feedback at higher performance volumes.
 
It's also proven to be an incredibly solid and stable guitar synth platform. I've strung it with extra-heavy strings, and it's got sustain for days. People who have heard some of my tracks swear there is piano on them! I'm guessing it's due to the extra heavy strings combined with how I sometimes use a wah pedal to achieve certain tonal effects.
 
And the craftsmanship is top-notch. I'm completely anal about necks; I've had three of my guitars pleck'd. The Godin needs no such thing. I would not hesitate to reccomend this instrument to anyone.
-George

 

From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:39:12 AM
Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration

Hey George, nice stuff. I'm enjoying it.  so far, Calling has been my favorite.

Are you liking that Godin jazz guitar? would you really play jazz with it?

Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
http://www.warrensirota.com

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So I've been hanging around the list for a while now, and decided it was time to share. I created a ubetoo account and uploaded some of my most recent work. I don't think any of it is more than a couple of weeks old.

This is somewhat relevant to the Inspiration/Work thread, in that all these pieces are the result of a decision I made a few months ago to play every day and record it. I have been shocked at the diversity of my output as a result of this daily discipline. So many times I felt uninspired when I began, but somewhere along the line, BANG! It hit.

The pieces are not particualrly polished because part of the contract is that I don't spend any more than an hour and a half composing/recording anything, and that includes warm-up time. I spend a little time after the fact mixing down in Live or Sonar, but I've generated so much material as a result of this disciplne that I literally don' have time to mix everything down. So I mix down as rapidly as possible, doing little more than set panning and levels.Very little post effects are used...a rare compressor or eq is the extent of it. 

In the next couple of months I will be putting effort in to creating a polished album (or three...I've generated that much material in the last couple of months!), and hopefully start playing some shows.

Here's the link:

http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=7049

-George






--0-488571520-1228675847=:74294-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 18:52:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3A93BE7E; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Y1jB2BqtdVOsvnSdMma0WUwkekalHcOOoE9NvmVofXU=; b=t9/twW7J1gu7TuUvsd1/m1mPUkJcOTf64To6ZR+Y90onp4Pc8dzLMxcHNuR+2YOMab A3kocDgajY5JREc0R3hoe4FbIx+f7jpdc0hC5Iyxc/HhE+AXys9vRjI9SpE86tyTiHBI D0E3N/sDAf3KOLt9HZRrqkmAKamAVRl56+rUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uO3PqG6olEarmev049W1+ZlSpCT8WILwgmBs6sPRG5TuaKfS+2Nhmxp+u1k/5lwjoE cSOMZ7JeY6wjO67a6826qmyoUPWpwD4GLa2ueVvemOAQReWOYSbGG649QSoQ29qFLlJn /aUlBAQ1E/2ca0nxjcIUtGIBVr+j+cb9wevVE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0812071052k665ceb26ked51d8bfad5121f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8vRKwD.A.52C.vtBPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:52:31 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > What you get with for extra with the Early Bird license is the option > to also run Bidule as a plug-in, Audio Unit or VST. I must say that I > have had good use for the plug-in version. Wouldn't it be cool if you could load up a complicated bidule patch complete with amplifier simulation and save it as a VST plugin into a v-machine? (http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73) I'm still looking for a something that doesn't look as obvious as a laptop, though I'm not willing to spend the money just to find out what the limitations are. -- Art Simon simart@null.net art.simon.tripod.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 19:18:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85FAC3BE8E; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:16:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-reply-to: <24397765.1228672282807.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <493C2122.7080607@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> <24397765.1228672282807.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: <1gVBtD.A.P9D.WGCPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy and Per, Thanks for the info. Seems like I ought to try this for free and then get the license if I like how Bidule works. Cheers, Bill andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Bill Fox >> wrote: >>> Where to get Bidule and how much? >> Get it here: http://www.plogue.com >> It's free. Bidule is still in beta but if you like it you can buy the >> "Early Bird License", which isn't expensive at all. > If you don't get the license then the software times out, and usually > there's a bit of a wait before they put the new version online for > download. So it's risky not to get the license, and at £60 or so it's > well worth it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 19:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091513BE85; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nDLg4+JJWm/S2w22GGoHEryyKXCjMTC2/kCqEM6ZG74=; b=Pg0JNet+yUmKSJRdI4QTBjwc0FB4LexuYNiyyfu1fxPWNfJayKJE/DC0/R3mAT2qvw M22nKMcEdYVlCOUXtz7ryP4dhOcI6wglzYAXZzH2VNdpXg1lp879/YwwWScX9uWhFzAD l//TJgDq/AKtPs2Lw7QHnO2MF5za/asOOHAJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IRhEnn662BJqL5SLpKpZdV+8vMIvB5fkICxGOqoNiDGWZSwpC1/4BHAJI86FZ+nLTY PL6A8Wx5ERj8OseEZHqV0FkJsEmTeWxKRZkwui5ntwOUi4StGIZBMlPX6EP9vAtxaz/h uCbgVV0mG3Eas/HINRxyJ8wdcghwqCUqrWq+4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812071150o512c7485m9029fefc9c0d5201@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:50:39 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amazing one man band In-Reply-To: <21005B2C-CA21-4046-B7AA-9C703015CD4D@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <21005B2C-CA21-4046-B7AA-9C703015CD4D@atarde.com.br> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Fantastic! Great being able to work with tempo change like that. And what a machine it is, his instrument! Very cyber trashy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > watch this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQZs6FyFbY > > Its my composer friend Tato Taborda with his instrument "Geralda", a > projects he works on for years, together with inventor Alexandre Boratto do > Vale... > ...using two Paradis LOOP delays :-) > > Now they rebuilt his amazing instrument in order to make it more portable, > so I hope Tato can finally do his word tour... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 20:25:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F143BE85; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6FDEFD36-D83A-44A6-989D-515318CF1DF3@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812071150o512c7485m9029fefc9c0d5201@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: amazing one man band Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:24:44 -0300 References: <21005B2C-CA21-4046-B7AA-9C703015CD4D@atarde.com.br> <66f9cc1e0812071150o512c7485m9029fefc9c0d5201@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) On 7 Dec 2008, at 16:50, Per Boysen wrote: > Fantastic! Great being able to work with tempo change like that. what do you mean by tempo change? I think there is a cut in the video... > And > what a machine it is, his instrument! Very cyber trashy. :-) > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Matthias Grob > wrote: >> watch this: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQZs6FyFbY >> >> Its my composer friend Tato Taborda with his instrument "Geralda", a >> projects he works on for years, together with inventor Alexandre >> Boratto do >> Vale... >> ...using two Paradis LOOP delays :-) >> >> Now they rebuilt his amazing instrument in order to make it more >> portable, >> so I hope Tato can finally do his word tour... >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 20:40:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00F103BE89; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UqZ0wBLuMAwIejc8GiMs3QZDVdd0BGroOsnVmSVxmuc=; b=LgEAi98mXBiUVouvilXGLnECyNxC8bWzcUO3d4RP/F+lczmgaN82fSgU5+ao0h5GDu ae38+yPcQbF4kr+N5T0tAJZF+N7d+4BIWdpkCTV8c1F9TD7zdo/4tkqL+lokRMoOJ25o jYnJaY262PZVijXlgdzPLc5bknyysGQ2FFftk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=d81hROWKKpOpCCBsD0rca79Tt4d4nCokgtP4HQYoHOofah6PCpTBrteBq5kOo/amtW GNmNyOFqLtmTHmbWuzlNRMOJTC5VN3JLtWnF1lZoq/wFD+7n7uNuL+nlEBPpxVHXJgSL 3VF6EhzfpPpMelJfzJNoc1mJJ/08ZMbfifALQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812071240o10e49011o3695980f074e03c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:40:54 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amazing one man band In-Reply-To: <6FDEFD36-D83A-44A6-989D-515318CF1DF3@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <21005B2C-CA21-4046-B7AA-9C703015CD4D@atarde.com.br> <66f9cc1e0812071150o512c7485m9029fefc9c0d5201@mail.gmail.com> <6FDEFD36-D83A-44A6-989D-515318CF1DF3@atarde.com.br> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Well, it could of course be a rubato thing. One of the parts he plays goes faster and faster. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > On 7 Dec 2008, at 16:50, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Fantastic! Great being able to work with tempo change like that. > > what do you mean by tempo change? > I think there is a cut in the video... > >> And >> what a machine it is, his instrument! Very cyber trashy. > > :-) >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Matthias Grob >> wrote: >>> >>> watch this: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQZs6FyFbY >>> >>> Its my composer friend Tato Taborda with his instrument "Geralda", a >>> projects he works on for years, together with inventor Alexandre Boratto >>> do >>> Vale... >>> ...using two Paradis LOOP delays :-) >>> >>> Now they rebuilt his amazing instrument in order to make it more >>> portable, >>> so I hope Tato can finally do his word tour... >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 20:44:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082E63BE8C; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:44:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C95869.98DB5090" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclYrKO3XvgawHW7QfeY5ax/Ennvfw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:44:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C95869.98DB5090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrew, if you want to do multiple delays with defined beat = divisions, like for example, a =BC note delay combined with a dotted 1/8th note = delay, you either need two delays that will do this, (like your DD-6, or a DL-4 = in rhythmic delay mode), or get a more sophisticated delay that can do two independent delays. about the other delays you mentioned, the DL-20 and = the Eventide may allow you to set two delays with separately specified beat divisions, I=92m not sure, I don=92t own either one. The new M-13 from = Line 6 will allow you to run up to 4 effects at one time, which means if you = love delay, you can run the M13 as 4 separate delay lines, all capable of = having their delay times controlled by tap tempo simultaneously. Which means = you can specify a different beat division for each delay but slave them all = to a master tap tempo. Usually, dual delays creating syncopation are plenty = for me, but I have been experimenting with as many as 4 delays all set to different beat divisions. And=20 Example; 1/4 note, dotted 1/8th, triplet 16th,whole note, all creating = a cool syncopation, but the possibilities are pretty limitless. The M-13 = has two assignable expression pedal ports (exp pedals are action figures = sold separately) so you can go to town controlling feedback or delay speed or delay volume, or any parameter for that matter. The stereo effects loop = is assignable anywhere in the chain. And did I mention the built in looper. Though it may not be of the audiophile quality of the Eventide, it = sounds very good to my ears and seems more versatile as far as features go. Its also got every other modeled effect Line 6 has ever done, including a = very good sim of a rack mount chorus Roland made years ago that I once owned, = the Dimension D.,. its downsides are its big, but it could take the place of several other pieces of gear. Also the looper has shown a tendency to display a static clip at loop point. The loop volume is slightly louder = than it needs to be, so I found trimming back the loop play back volume will = fix this problem for the most part. Apparantly a software fix for this will = be available in late December early January. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C95869.98DB5090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Andrew, if you want to do multiple delays with = defined beat divisions, like for example, =A0a =BC note delay combined with a = dotted 1/8th =A0note delay, you either need two delays that will do this, (like your = DD-6, or a DL-4 in rhythmic delay mode), or get a more sophisticated delay that = can do two independent delays. =A0about the other delays you mentioned, the = DL-20 and the Eventide may allow you to set two delays with separately specified = beat divisions, I’m not sure, I don’t own either one. The new = M-13 from Line 6 will allow you to run up to 4 effects at one time, which means if = you love delay, you can run the M13 as 4 separate delay lines, all capable = of having their delay times controlled by tap tempo simultaneously. Which = means you can specify a different beat division for each delay but slave them = all to a master tap tempo. Usually, dual delays creating syncopation are plenty = for me, but I have been experimenting with as many as 4 delays all set to = different beat divisions. And

Example;=A0 1/4 note, dotted 1/8th, = triplet 16th,whole note, =A0all creating a cool syncopation, but the possibilities are = pretty limitless. The M-13 has two assignable expression pedal ports (exp = pedals are action figures sold separately) so you can go to town controlling = feedback or delay speed or delay volume, or any parameter for that matter. The = stereo effects loop is assignable anywhere in the chain. And did I mention the = built in looper. =A0Though it may not be of the audiophile quality of the = Eventide, it sounds very good to my ears and seems more versatile as far as features = go. Its also got every other modeled effect Line 6 has ever done, including a = very good sim of a rack mount chorus Roland made years ago that I once owned, the = Dimension D.,. its downsides are its big, but it could take the place of several = other pieces of gear. Also the looper has shown a tendency to display a static clip = at loop point. The loop volume is slightly louder than it needs to be, so I = found trimming back the loop play back volume will fix this problem for the = most part. Apparantly a software fix for this will be available in late December = early January.

=A0Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C95869.98DB5090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 7 21:01:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67EB3BE81; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 113021509/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.189.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.189.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4AANTIO0lPRr3Y/2dsb2JhbAAIzCCDBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,731,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="113021509" Message-ID: <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:05:33 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor? Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails are likely components to fail. Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious to find. > > > > (Vortex schematic now available from > http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm ) > > > Interesting!!! > > More playing with reveals that the echos vanish just randomly, UPON > TURNING THE PRESET ENCODER... can be any patch.. might it be a dodgy / > dirty encoder? Can I clean it (like some pots?) If the encoder's dodgy, then it won't take you through all the presets (1-16). That's a common fault, and Lexicon don't have any encoders left. Luckily Bob "Jamman" Sellon is on the case. http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/EncoderRepair/index.php Cleaning is possible, but not a long term solution. > > thanks andy... looks like I need an expert.... damn.!!! > > mark > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 02:20:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847773BE85; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: 450'000 plays with a lo fi video! Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:19:40 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:20:30 +0000 (UTC) how did this guy reach 450'000 plays on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebd7ONuE-PA maybe he was simply quicker than the rest of us? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 02:42:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59BAE3BE84; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493C8988.9070009@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:42:16 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 450'000 plays with a lo fi video! References: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> In-Reply-To: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Or, everyone in his high school watched it ten times and texted it to all their kid sisters, who passed it around all their middle schools and beyond. Nothing sells like a wholesome-looking white man co-opting the art produced by someone of another ethnicity, Elvis taught us. Bet that dude gets action all the way thru graduation... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > how did this guy reach 450'000 plays on youtube? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebd7ONuE-PA > > maybe he was simply quicker than the rest of us? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 03:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A563BE84; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=cdkEhgiShLN2vdfpVDfSnyH2FrNJAumcqbIUfOANxnd7mYytn0+fM/i9ULXsZRPiF7K5Of7mymuntrV7JbBPPFPCFfcEOcas732pqXeoAQjfQipkbJKexg/ksIHDNYQ/gp7E1PeqBdc10tK4vBaX1Sbx12Ua/T43iUwrmak4sw4=; X-YMail-OSG: IgdijscVM1n68SMaIPYzuWgWBiyIsw3S_Lcm8VLvKOnLgItuSWYUcWFPDc00d5QpRAgC1Sr2QL2nIvHIOfCrrXhN3Ax9Fjxf.tfnFPAMVV6TV1ltARGdi8nHzS5Eje8393cH9AYtY_OBbpRpe3tKpoiMPJSPawZWXNkh9tlbBwML0NXd5UNJfqdYrDM- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> <493C8988.9070009@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:11:17 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: 450'000 plays with a lo fi video! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <170446.39012.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:11:18 +0000 (UTC) He did a good job on the cover, it was funny and entertaining, Plus the original Usher "yeah" video has 7.5 million hits. If you search youtube for Usher Yeah you will see this kid's video on the list. He no doubt got some clickthrough of real Usher fans. And yeah, I wish I was him right now. ----- Original Message ---- From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:42:16 PM Subject: Re: 450'000 plays with a lo fi video! Or, everyone in his high school watched it ten times and texted it to all their kid sisters, who passed it around all their middle schools and beyond. Nothing sells like a wholesome-looking white man co-opting the art produced by someone of another ethnicity, Elvis taught us. Bet that dude gets action all the way thru graduation... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > how did this guy reach 450'000 plays on youtube? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebd7ONuE-PA > > maybe he was simply quicker than the rest of us? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 07:07:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190B83BE81; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=v2Pj7DAHJQ9T7UyWL8wsC8b+QuF+vaP4EafYKP3GA5E=; b=DP1LCm0khBz69/DkPGSyY+n+adzWg5+CKoRjbpYkhbCLmQoGb8XQkjN++caxhjeVyC XLlpoMUOLVTd7//svGiA5zcz+K+8fPQ+rAFeygJbhRkqtfCz+ATrNdzE1FggrE8bWA/z Bp+V0eby+6rHI6LeDVUzL1jbEThCDSaJ4K7OM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MvfGm68OK3eSL9Y9NHk2aq4V16F5FIad2kGSyuGl+LFwbZutnkznhyoDYF9eWte1u/ 8qt6thU+eBwLg/nF8p8uTt8byo5LtkPbLcCLIeRr68RZDCPM/GJNnFGpjgrjZRiVNn3Z 1fRcrOEEMnYKkLEWL3Tciioahzur4EQw2HyAg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:07:47 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: OT: Pearce Amp manual? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54774_9739129.1228720067348" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:07:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54774_9739129.1228720067348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a manual. Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP switches do? Off-list answer probably best in this case. Thanks, Travis Hartnett ------=_Part_54774_9739129.1228720067348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a manual.  Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP switches do?  Off-list answer probably best in this case.

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Travis Hartnett
------=_Part_54774_9739129.1228720067348-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 09:53:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33333BE86; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 113471220/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.220.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.220.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcAAB59PElPTtyy/2dsb2JhbAAIjnO1VokdgwWDew X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,734,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="113471220" Message-ID: <493CEFAD.9010307@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:58:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 450'000 plays with a lo fi video! References: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> In-Reply-To: <6F330F03-FE9F-4BC6-AC48-44D6A0AB0082@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0494ZD.A.Z9E.q6OPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:53:46 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure it has nothing to do with his use of looping. Matthias Grob wrote: > how did this guy reach 450'000 plays on youtube? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebd7ONuE-PA > > maybe he was simply quicker than the rest of us? > > From lotto000100@aol.com Mon Dec 8 10:04:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from omr-d33.mx.aol.com (omr-d33.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.131]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A569C3BE7E; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.70]) by omr-d33.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB8A2Lwm010702; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:21 -0500 Received: from lotto000100@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c62.3c5504ac (37072); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from User ([208.74.115.81]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB056-90d0493cf057a3; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:02:08 -0500 Reply-To: From: "MARTINS GREEN GOLDOBEL" Subject: FROM: MARTINS GREEN GOLDOBEL LAW FIRM (INHERITANCE NOTIFICATION) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:02:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AOL-IP: 208.74.115.81 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: X-Spam-Flag:YES MARTINS GREEN GOLDOBEL Solicitor,Advocate and Notary Public Office: Third Floor,47 Fleet Street EC4Y 1BJ,London,City Email:mg.goldobellawfirm@gmail.com Attn: Beneficiary, We act as solicitors and our services have been retained by Paul Davis,now late here in after referred to as our client. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 13:34:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416B03BE86; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mYRTqyGF92CZjHPcOH8YdO6XiKSsa6aqtpYgUfgUd2s=; b=tGErEACoEEvD9Puc4OsOIckRKfL7WUPxo0jrgRE/0+/SjyseAMgLLBNCIVa0YJsdry Bo1dU+TtU5Gi105YKmpiMnDO+wnBMgT6NlnuE0c0AbGalDPa4JWL9sXn0xQbLHruBkaG aDMRrzslUKHBXeZHKpM/E9bBJ11XOeQun/9Q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GXsp9aNI18KE+81z8xxBlZoR5F3PVHox2Jc5wF5aBZNJDlZfWrGqP3hJYW7LAsldgw cHu0/AqbX7PuPGP3bF4jYSrUBsZGKqdnmuqjZQIBoiraxQPVMAYLGNNTaWo2IB8nW2Ev LNKr6lAAB6UCdHh4tRY4Z09/NVxxJ7CbkSsjo= Message-ID: <31091fe40812080534j4b0c1016vf886ec93eae33532@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:34:00 +0100 From: lovecaballero To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eivind Aarset In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77674_3222299.1228743240937" References: Resent-Message-ID: <_yjtmD.A.-UB.KJSPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_77674_3222299.1228743240937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic ;) ------=_Part_77674_3222299.1228743240937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic ;)
------=_Part_77674_3222299.1228743240937-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 14:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F19BD3BE86; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=V5xVAaXaLi4vJ8lCj0HOktWnhwOnhNrGzQ+b0C+qBus=; b=eSgpIOciiiCXnftRIbVO73GEixMh+aACgBPkMGLv9iNCyfP2+ryOdMBDJm5joOhP2u F6gg4tKvqD+ke/N5lN7QeeitB3bLHV4U5tG4PVkpUHXTZl2MEyBymYhsJilP2PUsCxqu j7HiTcrQFHck7p3ILnUutVOfiCeQGuX4COe/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=FWT1NiqFeUT7ZlzdhHoCZWhiKMQ+gSc0GtjYi7cmX8u6Nso8a41q+cRjMjpn2C/dAR tBRVpILpa6JyQhVhVAoRbzmoLelM6Mp3VYpjlO2QtioUVfG9iYMYIDDApyorij6X0SQ7 6ON+yCjCSkFm2q3Ce+OQNT9Ma8bu3D8Fm14QM= Message-ID: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:10:36 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ubetoo Live Looping category MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66808_21558805.1228745436213" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8f3c54523372bbcc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:10:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_66808_21558805.1228745436213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping before, but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start posting! Thanks for the feedback. So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity. Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com ------=_Part_66808_21558805.1228745436213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply:

Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping before,
but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to
try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the
category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being
removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start
posting! Thanks for the feedback.

So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity.

Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
http://www.warrensirota.com

------=_Part_66808_21558805.1228745436213-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 14:20:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8DAC3BE89; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=2ztnN6I2rAtM8S9CIEh6h6bjH2Jmbh1F1JIj5YCpvAM=; b=LbMQrFwZ+1oXHA7/VWyLpNkqYQC48FcrJhXSJoZ67fOhCC+1d70EbxQUANaP7pW26V ghIyiLB8c1jbnXjSh35YCJGL/VWRvLqcU2+yxIprTZvuomg8/fhl2pq+JiLxBKxLRspa bailr4+tWgRy3zmmc3rEfHb/DouUIn0mAFJBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=DgIsRWNd+81c+Rou/q3Uz5QFvaqpqzT+x/z3BDfEnnj6q6GMzG1tAWsQovB3KWPeUb PHKgZ0o29dE9yVPW2NtOO0Lam2wl9iR/1t6kB8RXY1j/d2KeMVR6dV51BLoRIKF/CKiB MRdwXCVO3v9zMye1WM9/7Kr3I4UYcvKznfqYE= Message-ID: <493D2D35.3090801@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:20:37 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <32312974.1226093730116.JavaMail.root@m05> <493BE9EE.4060303@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0812070733q74af607ck1a8dd2668db9d31f@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0812071052k665ceb26ked51d8bfad5121f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0812071052k665ceb26ked51d8bfad5121f7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon schrieb: > I'm still looking for a something that doesn't look as obvious as a > laptop, though I'm not willing to spend the money just to find out > what the limitations are. If you put the laptop into one of those banana or shoe boxes, it wouldn't look like a laptop at all... ;-) And no matter what hardware you buy, you'll just find out what the limitations are... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 14:33:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584233BE81; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:32:57 EST Subject: Re: New songs uploaded/work vs. inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c64.39889263.366e8a19_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: <9guxr.A.L4D.eATPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c64.39889263.366e8a19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what nice morning wake up music.....thanks george!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --part1_c64.39889263.366e8a19_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what nice morning wake up music.....tha= nks george!.....:)m

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andrew-
the boss dd20 does do some delay that allows you 2 independent delay lines for "interesting delay use"-can't remember which mode it was (maybe the tape mode as in 2-heads on old tape machine?)
i think i tried to use it once, wasn't something that thrilled me, seemed more complicated than i was willing to mess with (i keep everything at hands reach on a table)
for glitching sounds-i thought it was pretty weak, it did not do a budget version of demo of what david torn's lexicon pcm42 unit (which my old dod d12 could do-which is why i loved that thing!)
to be fair it could kind of warble the sound, but didn't seem overly usable to me. it really wasn't doing any time pitch-shift that i wanted it to do (slow to fast or fast to slow). yes, it can do 23 sec of delay, but again, that didn't thrill me. hence i put it away when i got an older boss rc20.

a cheap option of rhythmic delays is the zoom g2-you can actually set up 3 different delays in it (they fall under different effects modes in the unit). i remember playing around w/ that a few times and got some interesting sounds/effects. especially if you set the delays short, to get rhythmic stuff going-
the bad: you can't modulate the time (so no glitching options) if you try, it just stops and resets to whatever new time you set it at, a bummer, but it is a cheap multi-effects box, and is portable.
it does have a tap tempo button, but i would guess if you're using it for live application, you'd want to save as a preset to get it set up, otherwise you'd have to set the 3 individual times, etc.
and the funny thing is: i've had the thing for 3 yrs and still like it. it has some good amp models, good effects, and some good whacky effects options (the wahs, step filter, ring mod)
good luck!
s---



--0-1976909820-1228754013=:34764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 16:48:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909D33BE90; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--807928051 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:47:38 -0300 References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:48:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--807928051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit youhou, Warren, very well done! Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping I like that better, too what do you think? On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote: > So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live > Looping category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: > > Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping > before, > but have now added the category to the music categories on our > website to > try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the > category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may > risk being > removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so > start > posting! Thanks for the feedback. > > So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going > to move my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if > you wish to categorize some of your music this way, here is an > opportunity. > > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > --Apple-Mail-11--807928051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable youhou, Warren, very well = done!

Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new = word: LiveLooping
I like that better, too
what do = you think?


On 8 Dec 2008, at = 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote:

So, just = for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping category = over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply:

Thanks for your request. I = have honestly never heard of Live Looping before,
but have now added = the category to the music categories on our website to
try it out. = Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the
category = hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being
= removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so = start
posting! Thanks for the feedback.

So, there should now = be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move my Live Looping = pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to categorize some = of your music this way, here is an opportunity.

Warren
http://www.ubet= oo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679
http://www.warrensirota.com

= --Apple-Mail-11--807928051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 17:06:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682963BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=f4MyiNcKkOe4P5yaWqxvboDg4YWSSGlJ/674xr+s+wA=; b=P1bVHkY4QvxcQYevlVneMZ9vteqrEYBjrg5OUO/Ac2UKZO0dLSZZn6V7XquOQsINsG i6tegL0PyA4errDs6N0z2E9CMsbprhvRwhFIBkERZQsSbu+INMP04G2Trdj/PcBjzn6Z aIEUzKoPdK4s2oWrjyjyTRQuURSje1RXzxKjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Ze8OjLxwJy9L8qrCNG3jHO/Ed0slwG75w2sd0uWTV71/tXYzoe1w/0M+LHA3FfQH5S W6QuxnZTmBcKsV7AoSzDRF1ifcZvxHHdDMUpDQ9ikncXOzDBuLBA0IQOHBuY0KkhL8IX egxgxwsRaQFsJ8/7kjKUVi2NldlAQygeTpXRA= Message-ID: <101191640812080906w2f21532fr9ba377e197cf9cdf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:06:32 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category In-Reply-To: <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70470_8119120.1228755992759" References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76d45896423edf5b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70470_8119120.1228755992759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have an objection to that, not sure i prefer it. but it's not like i can go back to ubetoo now and get arbitrary about the spelling - feel free to get myspace or cdbaby or others to add the category as you'd prefer it spelled. i'll go along with whatever works. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > youhou, Warren, very well done! > Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping > I like that better, too > what do you think? > > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote: > > So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping > category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: > > Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping > before, > but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to > try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the > category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being > removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start > posting! Thanks for the feedback. > > So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to > move my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to > categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity. > > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > > > ------=_Part_70470_8119120.1228755992759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have an objection to that, not sure i prefer it. but it's not like i can go back to ubetoo now and get arbitrary about the spelling - feel free to get myspace or cdbaby or others to add the category as you'd prefer it spelled. i'll go along with whatever works.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> wrote:
youhou, Warren, very well done!

Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping
I like that better, too
what do you think?


On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote:

So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply:

Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping before,
but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to
try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the
category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being
removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start
posting! Thanks for the feedback.

So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity.

Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
http://www.warrensirota.com



------=_Part_70470_8119120.1228755992759-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 17:10:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C56CE3BE8E; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228756247; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Zm2gw4oCWl/O9SgThtMm5A/tfHA=; b=kUMLJ0/tzFs0uVhlslx9g5ZywrsjuzY+LgjhxYqjtR0JrooH2KhhxVn5vkVWFbni dJhF4nOAwvHUOFdgn+flbjQ5G28Nh06VcOZsuiB9tgmXh7zu6UfVq9ZtTpA5DeRH; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7on_DsgLaZYA:10 a=uwhurpIjyqEA:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Q3RyQerHIHIUbGwy_28A:9 a=mpZ-i8Y0OsCdjltjMXYA:7 a=3_K8OCgxHNG-OFPR8cK0mOmQYoAA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=n9UmYccG9nkZD14c8XAA:9 a=NA335X4pQdxD_5fFDL4A:7 a=gsW5uIVvDYPimkyBBZ88ctomWbsA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003001c95957$e9c4b7a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <906203.34764.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:10:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C9592E.0098C770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:10:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C9592E.0098C770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boss DD 20 can do separate delays by programming two patches side by = side. You set one how you like it with time, feedback, etc then when you = switch it will keep going with whatever you played for as long as the = feedback was set. 100% is "hold". You can then play on top of that with = the second delay setting. The only thing is that you can't go back and = tweak it without killing the loop. Still it's way cool. Lots more about = the DD 20 at=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html Outside of a couple of little quirks it's not good for glitching as you = say.=20 The DL 4 can use a really glitchable delay while looping however and = it's controllable with the expression pedal. Just check out what Genie = does with one! He plays it with his toes. F'in fantastic stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYU52hGo3nNc Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch andrew- the boss dd20 does do some delay that allows you 2 independent = delay lines for "interesting delay use"-can't remember which mode it was = (maybe the tape mode as in 2-heads on old tape machine?) i think i tried to use it once, wasn't something that thrilled = me, seemed more complicated than i was willing to mess with (i keep = everything at hands reach on a table) for glitching sounds-i thought it was pretty weak, it did not do = a budget version of demo of what david torn's lexicon pcm42 unit (which = my old dod d12 could do-which is why i loved that thing!) to be fair it could kind of warble the sound, but didn't seem = overly usable to me. it really wasn't doing any time pitch-shift that i = wanted it to do (slow to fast or fast to slow). yes, it can do 23 sec of = delay, but again, that didn't thrill me. hence i put it away when i got = an older boss rc20. a cheap option of rhythmic delays is the zoom g2-you can = actually set up 3 different delays in it (they fall under different = effects modes in the unit). i remember playing around w/ that a few = times and got some interesting sounds/effects. especially if you set the = delays short, to get rhythmic stuff going- the bad: you can't modulate the time (so no glitching options) = if you try, it just stops and resets to whatever new time you set it at, = a bummer, but it is a cheap multi-effects box, and is portable. it does have a tap tempo button, but i would guess if you're = using it for live application, you'd want to save as a preset to get it = set up, otherwise you'd have to set the 3 individual times, etc. and the funny thing is: i've had the thing for 3 yrs and still = like it. it has some good amp models, good effects, and some good whacky = effects options (the wahs, step filter, ring mod) good luck! s--- =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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The Boss DD 20 can do separate delays = by=20 programming two patches side by side. You set one how you like it with = time,=20 feedback, etc then when you switch it will keep going with whatever = you=20 played for as long as the feedback was set. 100% is "hold". You can then = play on=20 top of that with the second delay setting. The only thing is that you = can't go=20 back and tweak it without killing the loop. Still it's way cool. Lots = more about=20 the DD 20 at
http= ://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html
Outside of a couple of little quirks = it's not good=20 for glitching as you say.
The DL 4 can use a really glitchable = delay while=20 looping however and it's controllable with the expression pedal. Just = check out=20 what Genie does with one! He plays it with his toes. F'in fantastic=20 stuff.
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DYU52hGo3nNc
 
Jeff
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 = 11:33=20 AM
Subject: # delays, mods, boss, = fx loops,=20 moog... for andrew gallasch

andrew-
the boss dd20 does do some delay that = allows=20 you 2 independent delay lines for "interesting delay use"-can't = remember=20 which mode it was (maybe the tape mode as in 2-heads on old tape = machine?)
i think i tried to use it once, wasn't something = that=20 thrilled me, seemed more complicated than i was willing to mess = with (i=20 keep everything at hands reach on a table)
for glitching = sounds-i=20 thought it was pretty weak, it did not do a budget version of = demo of=20 what david torn's lexicon pcm42 unit (which my old dod d12 could = do-which is why i loved that thing!)
to be fair it could kind = of=20 warble the sound, but didn't seem overly usable to me. it really = wasn't=20 doing any time pitch-shift that i wanted it to do (slow to fast = or fast=20 to slow). yes, it can do 23 sec of delay, but again, that didn't = thrill=20 me. hence i put it away when i got an older boss rc20.

a = cheap=20 option of rhythmic delays is the zoom g2-you can actually set up = 3=20 different delays in it (they fall under different effects modes = in the=20 unit). i remember playing around w/ that a few times and got = some=20 interesting sounds/effects. especially if you set the delays = short, to=20 get rhythmic stuff going-
the bad: you can't modulate the = time (so no=20 glitching options) if you try, it just stops and resets to = whatever new=20 time you set it at, a bummer, but it is a cheap multi-effects = box, and=20 is portable.
it does have a tap tempo button, but i would = guess if=20 you're using it for live application, you'd want to save as a = preset to=20 get it set up, otherwise you'd have to set the 3 individual = times,=20 etc.
and the funny thing is: i've had the thing for 3 yrs and = still=20 like it. it has some good amp models, good effects, and some = good whacky=20 effects options (the wahs, step filter, ring mod)
good=20 luck!
s---





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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C9592E.0098C770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 17:12:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068D93BEA4; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3dl6NAu6qlvJGIXsyfNkgj1uc4r2FI/Obv7Eph/zb70=; b=McqCEoMxC1s/ZR3HQTkZNLVkiXF7YjeP8H5Nfaf+AZbpTre0Iwj1SfatKX4/Lun+A2 L9EO+W2IIVdfFjt4ixW5GUpiR0nLvs3/6KiosKh7eCcw6np3fRIkMCdqi823w5praDux qyNRmLrGj9JltR4qxaqJ5PuD39XTk0c0psgzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OtYfv0Hp2nkIop0kYyJ8ftRUB77Q6c0ryajsKMnpbAMU5rbFQZ2BBqF/gNgd5AjiGJ NtzNkdcbcl9hxmN3zvkfytYx2dLOIET9ZDw0KPkL2HHu6rCeuaCifdQeJIYQOau82Vd5 yrRXV29DTzo5Vpco8A6rxjoozjiRwZnwzhGio= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:12:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category In-Reply-To: <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) But isn't that category tagging at the Ubetoo site supposed to give hints about musical genre? "Live Looping" is not a genre but a technique, an instrument or a kind of gear. I think it only confuses listeners to mix things up. If the site should also be using a complementary way of tagging pieces - like for example "acapella", "non amplified", "piano", "saxophone", "duo", "quartet" etc - then I think Live Looping should have fitted in there, but not among the genres. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > youhou, Warren, very well done! > Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping > I like that better, too > what do you think? > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote: > > So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping > category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: > > Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping before, > but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to > try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the > category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being > removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start > posting! Thanks for the feedback. > > So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move > my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to > categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity. > > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 17:56:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349373BE89; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 117157577/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.220.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.220.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8BAAnuPElPTtyy/2dsb2JhbAAIzyCDBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,736,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="117157577" Message-ID: <493D60D2.9060700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:00:50 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> <101191640812080906w2f21532fr9ba377e197cf9cdf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640812080906w2f21532fr9ba377e197cf9cdf@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) I used "livelooping" for my cd, (all lowercase) but "Festival of Live Looping" for events. ...I don't have any claims on the single word version, and don't know why I used it really :-) A made up word is better for search engines, ..but only if people know it andybutler Warren Sirota wrote: > I don't have an objection to that, not sure i prefer it. but it's not > like i can go back to ubetoo now and get arbitrary about the spelling - > feel free to get myspace or cdbaby or others to add the category as > you'd prefer it spelled. i'll go along with whatever works. > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Matthias Grob > wrote: > > youhou, Warren, very well done! > > Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping > I like that better, too > what do you think? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 18:42:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F923BE89; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=RzcsM8Pms4MmCCJAkF7H5mGTTvyj8OjTbTdHY+6rQXM=; b=MChVuAwbwtgAJ/1Af4kXPz2ahvn55rBXcr0b0PeXEMDQqEAnosUsYcBobvI1olas6+ m5LK9diErR9m4rA1oTo+WEMduajCELV3iWAPQ5ygEIloP6auSCkGxpJUWtQzWwBSLkO0 JeccnM2xrHwVXgxiYWGeWOTSE/cH6j/9IqjNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=brUCMjeUGeHdwavEkwsVJ4K9POgDaTWVRKauotdYlKEzODrfDZHIsAX7FWI1VsRNGQ 96yalSYYZlZYrt38ikv/Bkg1BCSWyHzOlvv/DRJhNoLB76D6tu9SQzXlGAHl0NyC0dOm 1EsPyzaXz+VOEHijNhIsnUurU893AdNF1kjjQ= Message-ID: <101191640812081042n3dbee1ci2cc79a4e201e7c18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:42:34 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_73078_23077062.1228761754795" References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 89c968bc2a9f0d2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:42:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_73078_23077062.1228761754795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yeah, but (with all due respect), so what? it's an experiment. i think the term means something, even if the exact defn is a bit fuzzy - maybe that's the whole point. i think maybe there's value in having the term appear in the category drop-down, as a way of shoehorning it into public consciousness a bit. maybe there's no value in that, but i think there might be. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > But isn't that category tagging at the Ubetoo site supposed to give > hints about musical genre? "Live Looping" is not a genre but a > technique, an instrument or a kind of gear. I think it only confuses > listeners to mix things up. > > If the site should also be using a complementary way of tagging pieces > - like for example "acapella", "non amplified", "piano", "saxophone", > "duo", "quartet" etc - then I think Live Looping should have fitted in > there, but not among the genres. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Matthias Grob > wrote: > > youhou, Warren, very well done! > > Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping > > I like that better, too > > what do you think? > > > > On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping > > category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: > > > > Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping > before, > > but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to > > try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the > > category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk > being > > removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start > > posting! Thanks for the feedback. > > > > So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to > move > > my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to > > categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity. > > > > Warren > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > > http://www.warrensirota.com > > > > > > > > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com ------=_Part_73078_23077062.1228761754795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yeah, but (with all due respect), so what? it's an experiment. i think the term means something, even if the exact defn is a bit fuzzy - maybe that's the whole point. i think maybe there's value in having the term appear in the category drop-down, as a way of shoehorning it into public consciousness a bit. maybe there's no value in that, but i think there might be.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
But isn't that category tagging at the Ubetoo site supposed to give
hints about musical genre?  "Live Looping" is not a genre but a
technique, an instrument or a kind of gear. I think it only confuses
listeners to mix things up.

If the site should also be using a complementary way of tagging pieces
- like for example "acapella", "non amplified",  "piano", "saxophone",
"duo", "quartet" etc - then I think Live Looping should have fitted in
there, but not among the genres.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550




On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> wrote:
> youhou, Warren, very well done!
> Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping
> I like that better, too
> what do you think?
>
> On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
> So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping
> category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply:
>
> Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping before,
> but have now added the category to the music categories on our website to
> try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the
> category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk being
> removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start
> posting! Thanks for the feedback.
>
> So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to move
> my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to
> categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity.
>
> Warren
> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
> http://www.warrensirota.com
>
>
>




--
Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
http://www.warrensirota.com
------=_Part_73078_23077062.1228761754795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 19:01:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC88F3BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WuLnwsYax2Wf7jn3jaSm/Qo8ZZnMEAckxosR9B4MslA=; b=mQxZhC4pIAjSQ59qU71DCXBe9lriyn58sykgJKqOiV0dL9jXBCmMMKeRAHA0kZPkvD TvtfQ28hSanrVPVoVvXz2rF5GlsX5A6rdd37UAoLCh/tKuWbOYSwddLrfnFfGV7Aq0xJ 5VQsqMWugYzGwt/aOjcRdbcsbmId9JAF/+znc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ds7ZD75qrpmTsE0LZPijkFgYlHMcFFScTDzLKVCzsPq+Ileh5UKN0RpgvNFqBvRagx 54uIEbaysjfQ+7eagdG8W4qjYDUiNQsoKWW5ECv/VpCJ9EB08QYZg6l45YTucVYknTky HYfaJqipd4etf7YsBc5wj1iBmF8NNizdBZ5Ss= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812081101ye24e756l6c74d86b23e8466f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:01:50 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category In-Reply-To: <101191640812081042n3dbee1ci2cc79a4e201e7c18@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> <101191640812081042n3dbee1ci2cc79a4e201e7c18@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Of course, you're totally right about that. Anyone is free to call his/her music whatever he/she thinks fits the bill. per On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > yeah, but (with all due respect), so what? it's an experiment. i think the > term means something, even if the exact defn is a bit fuzzy - maybe that's > the whole point. i think maybe there's value in having the term appear in > the category drop-down, as a way of shoehorning it into public consciousness > a bit. maybe there's no value in that, but i think there might be. > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> But isn't that category tagging at the Ubetoo site supposed to give >> hints about musical genre? "Live Looping" is not a genre but a >> technique, an instrument or a kind of gear. I think it only confuses >> listeners to mix things up. >> >> If the site should also be using a complementary way of tagging pieces >> - like for example "acapella", "non amplified", "piano", "saxophone", >> "duo", "quartet" etc - then I think Live Looping should have fitted in >> there, but not among the genres. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Matthias Grob >> wrote: >> > youhou, Warren, very well done! >> > Andy Butler writes it as one word, so its a new word: LiveLooping >> > I like that better, too >> > what do you think? >> > >> > On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:10, Warren Sirota wrote: >> > >> > So, just for the heck of it, I sent a request to create a Live Looping >> > category over at Ubetoo. Here's the reply: >> > >> > Thanks for your request. I have honestly never heard of Live Looping >> > before, >> > but have now added the category to the music categories on our website >> > to >> > try it out. Please tell your friends they're welcome to upload. If the >> > category hasn't grown enough within the nearest few weeks it may risk >> > being >> > removed in the future, same as for all other small categories, so start >> > posting! Thanks for the feedback. >> > >> > So, there should now be a Live Looping category at Ubetoo. I'm going to >> > move >> > my Live Looping pieces over to that category today. So, if you wish to >> > categorize some of your music this way, here is an opportunity. >> > >> > Warren >> > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 >> > http://www.warrensirota.com >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 19:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 482F13BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Travis Hartnett'" , References: Subject: RE: Pearce Amp manual? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C95928.9291EA90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclZZtzJsVJ2AWsnTHyQkLdieNu/8QAAG+vA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:31:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C95928.9291EA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The dip switches are gain and eq presets, that give the pre-amp more distortion and more top end edge, and or bass response. There are a pair for each channel as I recall. I believe these are based on mods done for guitarist Ronnie Montrose, who along with Alan Holdsworth and Ty Tabor from King's X, were Pearce's most visible endorsers. I believe Andy Summers and David Torn used them as well. I had the preamp version of your amp, and before than I had a non stereo G1B, mounted in a cabinet and an A-I power amp mounted in a separate cabinet both driving EV speakers. A real stereo rig. Incidentally I still have an original pearce single button foot switch for channel switching if you need one. I'll let it go cheap even though by now, it's, you know, "Vintage". The only guy I know that might have one is Bill Delap, the Monterey based builder who made custom guitars for Holdsworth for several years before Alan took essentially the design Bill D. helped create, and brought it to Carvin to make an Allan Holdsworth model. That would be the Fatboy chambered guitar. Bill Delap is hard to reach and I don't believe has a web site, but as far as I know, Alan gave him a punch of Pearce gear, and he has collected that stuff for a long time. Pearce amps are very good quality, as good a solid state amp as you will find for guitar, smooth creamy distortion, great clean sounds, a built in limiter that really works. The only downside of the later models was a tendency for the Alesis designed digital effects to stop working due to, I believe faulty ribbon cable issues. The good news is this circuit can be disabled and the amp will still work fine. Last I heard, Dan Pearce was working at ART but that was ten years ago. Good Luck Bill _____ From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:08 PM To: LD Subject: OT: Pearce Amp manual? I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a manual. Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP switches do? Off-list answer probably best in this case. Thanks, Travis Hartnett ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C95928.9291EA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The dip switches are  gain and = eq presets, that give the pre-amp more distortion and more top end edge, = and or bass response. There are a pair for each channel as I recall. I believe = these are based on mods done for guitarist Ronnie Montrose, who along with = Alan Holdsworth and Ty Tabor from King’s X, were Pearce’s most visible = endorsers. I believe Andy Summers and David Torn used them as well. I had the preamp = version of your amp, and before than I had a non stereo G1B, mounted in a = cabinet and an A-I power amp mounted in a separate cabinet both driving EV = speakers.  A real stereo rig.  Incidentally I still have an original pearce = single button foot switch for channel switching if you need one. I’ll let = it go cheap even though by now, it’s, you know, “Vintage”. = The only guy I know that might have one is Bill Delap, the Monterey based builder = who made custom guitars for Holdsworth for several years before Alan took = essentially the design Bill D. helped create, and brought it to Carvin to make an = Allan Holdsworth model. That would be the Fatboy chambered guitar. Bill Delap is hard to = reach and I don’t believe has a web site, but as far as I know, Alan = gave him a punch of Pearce gear, and he has collected that stuff for a long time. = Pearce amps are very good quality, as good a solid state amp as you will find for = guitar, smooth creamy distortion, great clean sounds, a built in limiter that = really works. The only downside of the later models was a tendency for the = Alesis designed digital effects to stop working due to, I believe faulty ribbon = cable issues. The good news is this circuit can be disabled and the amp will = still work fine. Last I heard, Dan Pearce was working at ART but that was ten = years ago.

 Good = Luck

 Bill<= /p>

 


From: = Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December = 07, 2008 11:08 PM
To: LD
Subject: OT: Pearce Amp = manual?

 

I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling = up a manual.  Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP = switches do?  Off-list answer probably best in this case.

Thanks,

Travis Hartnett

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C95928.9291EA90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 20:05:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 287AA3BE89; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228766756; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=NOCRs9fdbFLxaim1dtrU30/Gwq8=; b=M+MlCcJZFxGbNHM9TZAV+9IZAt/ySJURKH2SM+0SLmUc+wJD0dN5uZza1MbB85tQ WeXYpYkkP5aLYG31FRyN9XqgR3SXePTdL72fEDDXQiwMiMiu//db4qBkc0w/zPkG; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=TubYsOHDmWyqD11oMVkA:9 a=rjWPIFYCLUz_3KT0NT0A:7 a=O84Bxg0CsIEv43BC8zjgszmliCYA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=di-8GF85BMKKuRiYrHkA:9 a=icAsQ8oYxUsNofGGOAcA:7 a=zlOmE0Mzqf-fpcnzCCeexLSpKg4A:4 a=gMKWpENioZQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001601c95970$6240e880$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Pearce Amp manual? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C95946.78FF9B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:05:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C95946.78FF9B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here ya go Travis, http://www.thisphase.org/pics/Pearce.pdf j ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: LD=20 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: OT: Pearce Amp manual? I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a = manual. Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP = switches do? Off-list answer probably best in this case. Thanks, Travis Hartnett -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: = 12/7/2008 4:56 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C95946.78FF9B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here ya go Travis,
 
http://www.thisphase.or= g/pics/Pearce.pdf
 
 
j
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I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck = googling=20 up a manual.  Anyone have any info on exactly what the front = panel DIP=20 switches do?  Off-list answer probably best in this=20 case.

Thanks,

Travis Hartnett



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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C95946.78FF9B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 20:11:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43CD3BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 113443291/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.220.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.220.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8BAJsOPUlPTtyy/2dsb2JhbAAIzx+DBYN7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,736,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="113443291" Message-ID: <493D8074.2060109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:15:48 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ubetoo Live Looping category References: <101191640812080610v3e5d3470oc8c1a7a8d7989f43@mail.gmail.com> <5B6898E5-8500-4E22-B311-DAB56BBDECC7@atarde.com.br> <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812080912j5b7565a2mf2deaa451da62ac7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's sounds reasonable, but then I thought I'd check out the other categories. The first one is....... .............................Acoustic :-) If anyone has suggestions as to how I should categorise my own music, ...or Per's for that matter, I'd be very interested. andy butler Per Boysen wrote: > But isn't that category tagging at the Ubetoo site supposed to give > hints about musical genre? "Live Looping" is not a genre but a > technique, an instrument or a kind of gear. I think it only confuses > listeners to mix things up. > > If the site should also be using a complementary way of tagging pieces > - like for example "acapella", "non amplified", "piano", "saxophone", > "duo", "quartet" etc - then I think Live Looping should have fitted in > there, but not among the genres. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 22:12:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08BF03BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: Kaoss pad 3 LED matrix controller idea for LP1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c95982$0270b090$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <5Ptoi.A.WKD.-uZPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi, In case you are interested, I've documented some hints and tips of the Kaoss pad 3's external controller feature and the Roland FC-300 MFC in combination with Looperlative LP1. I've installed it on the left side of my stage piano, I'm controlling the KP3 with my left hand. The good thing about it is that I have better visual control about what's happening with the LP1 while looping. Imo a good alternative for keyboard players or if you want to have a small but very powerful midi controller and FX unit. LP1/FC-300/KP3 hints and tips => http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/lp1.htm Picture => http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/images/lp1_kp3.jpg Of course, the KP3 also has it's minus. The most annoying thing is that, once you are in the external midi control mode, you can't use the internal KP3 effects or play samples... Why? I hope Korg will add that feature in a future OS version, because that will allow you to create an initial loop on the LP1 using a KP3 tempo effect (eg delay) and have them in sync. Because one of the very good things about the LP1 is that midi sync works perfectly in both master and slave mode so that's not the issue :) Btw: Does anyone know were to drop enhancement requests at Korg? Korg.com? Our local Korg website does not even have a support site --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 22:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8963BE86; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_366654ea-7e22-48a7-88ce-710c5f1fc4ea_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: Ubetoo Looping Category Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:28:40 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081208193153.B30D03BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081208193153.B30D03BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2008 22:28:41.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[5288EC30:01C95984] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:28:42 +0000 (UTC) --_366654ea-7e22-48a7-88ce-710c5f1fc4ea_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Live Looping" is not a genre but a technique=2C an instrument or a kind of gear." =20 This is certainly logically true=2Chowever consumers are programmed to re= cognize certain sorts of categories.Having a looping category could raise the pro= files of looping artists marketwise. Once the category called World Beat=2C aro= se even though=20 the name can seem silly (one critic said it should be called Beige Beat) = Artists who fit=20 that slot started selling much more. =20 --_366654ea-7e22-48a7-88ce-710c5f1fc4ea_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_366654ea-7e22-48a7-88ce-710c5f1fc4ea_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 22:38:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11CD3BE8A; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20081208193153.B30D03BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081208193153.B30D03BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: theturn.tv Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:38:22 -0800 Message-ID: <039801c95985$ae3c9c60$0ab5d520$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclZa6MhPU9rBAK3SZ2H8CDFhLPvdgAGTx9Q Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {B449A948-5134-47E9-820D-2DC28A32B669} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AdBJ A2/G BcDp B4vF C4lG FcFN G/na HoPF I6Xw JJPt JhRk LEU7 LRRN LU6u LhP2 MeVM;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{B449A948-5134-47E9-820D-2DC28A32B669};dABqAHQAQABuAG8AcwB1AGMAaAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:38:18 GMT;dABoAGUAdAB1AHIAbgAuAHQAdgA= Resent-Message-ID: <2jtfgB.A.HEE.cHaPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Brilliantly innovative in too many dimensions to count: http://theturn.tv ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 8 23:32:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF6B3BE8C; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=yi61fQibamJIe2BmDjuH9EBHxKuVy+Z+JwqzDZTQpWY=; b=Ra+q7W7KRMKGlhZ+h2MB/KyOZ3hPSdvhioCGt3tUgL2+b+o36ZzBeTzVB90qTwT7Sb i4cxZKnwiWyk3piSNuWm8CIXfcfqkeLg3ePMWxG9axV7KBUr22izYMB2Fxr1FnvVoNdx jN7eZn1kwCVhLHD/qxabrYhOWrhfSOnGoT0uY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=KQa9vXysVG/Xvs7VlMgYlOLHoQwrM9RBW6BoZt8ZYZwd7BhYpGKdainj0KXJJoe0jb Xy9EjleZBL7uM+PtgKF4dEPkUNDi9xYRLzwtg4dvlBcAG1bUr5lRW6/6270nw52XiEff tjIP3hzF09h1dc4HnoXd8DxBkCTwDpbMnaN1Q= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:32:32 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: ableton live mapping question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8fc1325f7f069f1c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone, I'm really sorry if this question is a super easy fix and I'm wasting people's time, but I'm having a shocking amount of trouble finding the answer to it: how in the world do I map keys on my midi keyboard/nanopad controller to the impuse/drum rack play triggers so I can play via the pads? Everything else in the interface seems to let me make a key mapping except those play buttons for some reason. Any help is greatly appreciated, sorry again if this question was annoyingly newbie-esque. Thanks, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 00:04:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11D673BE8A; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7DYlFcfHmKTAd/zsG9U4QyErGi3AZc3dWKUsEtSJkH4=; b=vA/aDMu5F9d+TlpriAq5gAyZ9otfhPTA3n9R8IVXqskEyMOKes68mr7GVY8Hzne+k3 d0ql22peUDLRzuATRs668F9rxlbrKV9/Y7VeC32lPHX1z/CTcu9crg6YAgyeWqnEbD/o OFSblQSR0QJ5NArBHQAuy37JrlykO5xFeP1Dk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WwtRqjRD71zeEh+jmv85/1JKYseqqzwH7CDc4EFw2r2+/RAIz1OQYuNk9t+t0JIYQr lluDE6Mtg6X5O8GqeOG3+y+WKrclWKQ9BWNkMddiIkx41xsv6ojP8sOODmslKHHokNmj f0HBpoji3/CcCYeR/WZ9ikDhgXiR10JmypqtQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812081604x67afb39eu1c1ffcff8a77db00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:04:29 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ableton live mapping question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:04:29 +0000 (UTC) If no one here posts in on that in a couple of minutes you will be able to find out by doing a search at the Live forum. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Nick wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm really sorry if this question is a super easy fix and I'm wasting > people's time, but I'm having a shocking amount of trouble finding the > answer to it: how in the world do I map keys on my midi > keyboard/nanopad controller to the impuse/drum rack play triggers so I > can play via the pads? Everything else in the interface seems to let > me make a key mapping except those play buttons for some reason. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, sorry again if this question was > annoyingly newbie-esque. > > Thanks, > Nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 00:36:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE72E3BE8C; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812081604x67afb39eu1c1ffcff8a77db00@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812081604x67afb39eu1c1ffcff8a77db00@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36E65440-B057-4BD5-973C-E0CDB16649F8@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: ableton live mapping question Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:36:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:36:27 +0000 (UTC) I think you have to use the midi notes displayed on the drum racks. I'm not sure, but you might have to create a midi track and designate the destination for said midi as the track you want to control. On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > If no one here posts in on that in a couple of minutes you will be > able to find out by doing a search at the Live forum. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Nick wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> >> I'm really sorry if this question is a super easy fix and I'm wasting >> people's time, but I'm having a shocking amount of trouble finding >> the >> answer to it: how in the world do I map keys on my midi >> keyboard/nanopad controller to the impuse/drum rack play triggers >> so I >> can play via the pads? Everything else in the interface seems to let >> me make a key mapping except those play buttons for some reason. >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated, sorry again if this question was >> annoyingly newbie-esque. >> >> Thanks, >> Nick >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 00:57:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C023BE8C; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=P7ZaYFztBqF88lAlhGN3LicSJm93SRd++zLbS12oflY=; b=nnTzYVrLunh5pnjt/GeldPWoI3MVx6zKQjKvP6mCmquztrWl5bXrtViT3sgcaJhv2V Lm5nAb4CF5GaLBNUt99Ufl361U+BQ98aF7EbqXUaDOX8W3bomkuRCguA8VGMif5RuBeO 6MkTrJSJeLOL3wOUPqXcPgTH2qDInYxtyp4t4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jdrM2j1ZGt0qwFs6efIIlGDcrI/A52Q1Bgv/aZ2gGUksvSJuJuTcboYog5iw6QGCbA ZP45nF6ZdwZJx5PNCWmTaV6pCpOPtkr6pxbgf5i7iMFaC6wPCot4IByi4TadOzXxlweG BHpsQfnd+FhrjmyIi5NLEs7Opoa/esjtKzhug= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812081657q6e9c6597vdc2970b21bc65b63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:57:13 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ableton live mapping question In-Reply-To: <36E65440-B057-4BD5-973C-E0CDB16649F8@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812081604x67afb39eu1c1ffcff8a77db00@mail.gmail.com> <36E65440-B057-4BD5-973C-E0CDB16649F8@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC) YOu can use one of Live's MIDI plug-in's to remap/transpose MIDI notes from your controller. Just mentioninig it if you didn't know. A big time saver! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I think you have to use the midi notes displayed on the drum racks. I'm not > sure, but you might have to create a midi track and designate the > destination for said midi as the track you want to control. > > > On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> If no one here posts in on that in a couple of minutes you will be >> able to find out by doing a search at the Live forum. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Nick wrote: >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I'm really sorry if this question is a super easy fix and I'm wasting >>> people's time, but I'm having a shocking amount of trouble finding the >>> answer to it: how in the world do I map keys on my midi >>> keyboard/nanopad controller to the impuse/drum rack play triggers so I >>> can play via the pads? Everything else in the interface seems to let >>> me make a key mapping except those play buttons for some reason. >>> >>> Any help is greatly appreciated, sorry again if this question was >>> annoyingly newbie-esque. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nick >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 02:07:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77AE73BE85; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=P+yOzdBgGRLPGA08ZZdHmv9voPkEpnemcd3B5h6VfCY=; b=mCBmvMPpwX8ebNtOKsqMark5Q3obas4TpKwvKxo56pI/iPMFioebrNComWh/xdIa7P m3DJY8c9GTQaXvVu4XI58fA+6sPNExAlM2f7gXnkJUSez5ywM2HAeKoPmLvcz+lAhwff kG/o1ea+K24aR+shp9xI4uZDyplzzSKJRSoyU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QMp+NDR/YgfGBe7DOs8a4uctGWfcXIhhzvuTInlvCjRWekCqF0Ho7DxN+Y51FKXKKM g6V8VZYcSUcQNASv0XCKm0pBvInd/AFF+tK7QeWKF9B0DgWvPhHj5aJ0pyDK97C6yAN9 PZxkx/xCPT6S30BjOy4ke5Qx8UD8BEL4uezpg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:07:34 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ableton live mapping question In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812081657q6e9c6597vdc2970b21bc65b63@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812081604x67afb39eu1c1ffcff8a77db00@mail.gmail.com> <36E65440-B057-4BD5-973C-E0CDB16649F8@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0812081657q6e9c6597vdc2970b21bc65b63@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4094d5213acb99a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:07:36 +0000 (UTC) It looks like I can map the pads on my nanopad to midi notes that the drum rack will pick up, I just shouldn't have been using impulse. Thanks for the help guys! On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > YOu can use one of Live's MIDI plug-in's to remap/transpose MIDI notes > from your controller. Just mentioninig it if you didn't know. A big > time saver! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Chris Sewell > wrote: >> I think you have to use the midi notes displayed on the drum racks. I'm not >> sure, but you might have to create a midi track and designate the >> destination for said midi as the track you want to control. >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> If no one here posts in on that in a couple of minutes you will be >>> able to find out by doing a search at the Live forum. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Nick wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm really sorry if this question is a super easy fix and I'm wasting >>>> people's time, but I'm having a shocking amount of trouble finding the >>>> answer to it: how in the world do I map keys on my midi >>>> keyboard/nanopad controller to the impuse/drum rack play triggers so I >>>> can play via the pads? Everything else in the interface seems to let >>>> me make a key mapping except those play buttons for some reason. >>>> >>>> Any help is greatly appreciated, sorry again if this question was >>>> annoyingly newbie-esque. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > From news@alice.it Tue Dec 9 02:17:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 421 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:17:37 UTC Received: from smtp-out25.alice.it (smtp-out25.alice.it [85.33.2.25]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCF53BE81 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from FBCMMO02.fbc.local ([192.168.68.196]) by smtp-out25.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:10:23 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local ([192.168.171.45]) by FBCMMO02.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:10:23 +0100 Received: from User ([82.58.225.149]) by FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:06:37 +0100 From: "HSBC Bank Plc" Subject: Security Account Upgrade Notification Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03.10.24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2008 02:06:38.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4F5B1E0:01C959A2] To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 03:53:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6523BE8D; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ouoe9/XOKTv4tDc/khePwPscAeb4g4sCsG7fkfIhvgvhiGmdU0QPw6+73QntUMMV4N6RjK9XHkeZN/C+bqFrXp8OPt50+ZlzNIQWb5RY45JmTNH7DdThcv8G8W3WDR2pmYGxeyBtVbx9crMwACVviy9QCYj/eYiQJlPUH5ZpkU8=; X-YMail-OSG: mUQf34kVM1lMMvuST7TbPeZVbvzAldwddjquSsesCX76nGUJD08udeiPcdrhIrd9gqEF9kY8jYgOMCqTdJcvZEM2zHFhmCdINlErEkJCTse4FxNbWBv0nOmfVRY_.RYshkpM1X8ctXBHt_xn0f7cf_NjzPs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c95957$e9c4b7a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Jeff Duke wrote: > From: Jeff Duke > Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:10 AM > The Boss DD 20 can do separate delays by programming two > patches side by side. You set one how you like it with time, > feedback, etc then when you switch it will keep going with > whatever you played for as long as the feedback was set. > 100% is "hold". You can then play on top of that > with the second delay setting. The only thing is that you > can't go back and tweak it without killing the loop. > Still it's way cool. Lots more about the DD 20 at > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html > Outside of a couple of little quirks it's not good for > glitching as you say. > The DL 4 can use a really glitchable delay while looping > however and it's controllable with the expression pedal. > Just check out what Genie does with one! He plays it with > his toes. F'in fantastic stuff. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU52hGo3nNc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 04:15:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6CA3BE86; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Qva3uOXyC95xu8AS9jBsiNOGp9MVTh1/iWMxwvKcz6o=; b=rEU4jCH6pbGhXKjXLQAvnLcZGcFdoW9mwAup13ruv915meiSld6nQ5nvU2gMJe1Zsi 08f41QIKdr74YHXoMmLvl2RvQ7Jbc4az3M/QlvnwlC6nI/epAeLMJaCEu+0IyFZaZiVh alzhRFTcR5vpRT7MWNl/ADtZcFP06n1IQ8aX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nNQpmwTJEUrgEq6HakkaEu5GRgFY4lN/yfgvb3LaTDTvXzJ41/zEmVDox/OnTUf/M/ 59WHYNLsO0TOhpgE/86XRN0/yWltbbBGBN3XmPddmBYi1OUEzRuD1gFzGwjhvW/lyj+z oMZrjOoQUftZB0ZFHznHjBb4D0+hss3HPJPws= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:15:17 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch In-Reply-To: <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70005_7693650.1228796117458" References: <003001c95957$e9c4b7a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4wlj.A.97H.WDfPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:15:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70005_7693650.1228796117458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and he had a mic and a guitar going into a single DL4. I think he was making use of the dual inputs on the DL4. TH On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall > seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ------=_Part_70005_7693650.1228796117458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and he had a mic and a guitar going into a single DL4.  I think he was making use of the dual inputs on the DL4.

TH

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses?

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



------=_Part_70005_7693650.1228796117458-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 04:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F9BF3BE8C; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228796885; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=rw2VPa0Pgo6Eye9gHhL1/QYyr4Y=; b=GWYqFnDIIE8gTj3m5zYoFcbR8uH0JIUTCU3kdXxqAA97kAYhYOrNAbnbQpzB7wvW b0uBIFrQx+sZ0dxpI48y0h2UsIub+j9GupvZuV6w9lC3in6eUGEQlVaszZuiZFHd; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7on_DsgLaZYA:10 a=uwhurpIjyqEA:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=6Ai6OHS78EUzdonk9LYA:9 a=Us2KNeC-eij0We-EM4MA:7 a=wMq3ZXax78ib3p8d0FrUj6mOLicA:4 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=Myw24NN_DfE1oi5srigA:9 a=_GDrdHD8cWZjLrxrogUA:7 a=XbShpyZIzx0U-eSMal9c07TlYlEA:4 a=gMKWpENioZQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001401c959b6$87a160f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003001c95957$e9c4b7a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:28:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9598C.9E6989E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:28:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9598C.9E6989E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Think your right Travis, in this vid he is using a couple of other = boxes, I can't make out what they are. Both inputs are taken up on the DL 4 so that makes sense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPXMqtk5XtT4 j ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:15 PM Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew = gallasch I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and he had a mic and = a guitar going into a single DL4. I think he was making use of the dual = inputs on the DL4. TH On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo wrote: Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont = recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: = 12/7/2008 4:56 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9598C.9E6989E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Think your right Travis, in this vid he = is using a=20 couple of other boxes, I can't make out what they are.
Both inputs are taken up on the DL 4 so = that makes=20 sense.
 
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DPXMqtk5XtT4
 
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I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and = he had a=20 mic and a guitar going into a single DL4.  I think he was making = use of=20 the dual inputs on the DL4.

TH

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Genie=20 is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall = seeing any=20 mixers,is the DL4 all he uses?

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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9598C.9E6989E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 06:11:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBABF3BE8C; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vz4HIUqwj/pEzgcXp1SBT5Tm5ypIQ8YHGz3LZzwZBZM=; b=tWCMdoyQjbrVkvLzU1pQNEStBGwVN/WlPgolBTJXZ//XfsAiljqTRD+tiwkPQpNSvL Gulo2BUHhWflfUeNfFfdIYKtoYnrBzFPz8l0S8d1CqXdWouH5qWI8YnNNokiWFt4fIsG Wb8bBm4IlowRmnLhnzv46+mzhSUv7CVXtVqrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=v8bhKlkXd6AYDjcEh1kj7OFq+LCm7tZcB5lAbiSiyg2aRiPxY5WdG7ctz9SQgIpMG1 9C16jbjkzqH3e/zr7SO5Q4HugRPFdIefn/EUtqx09Pb0lFcmhCpp/JWWxTGHkK6ZmZYg GoiKCFVyabOu225qBCIKy0CnM2h59y7CPfrdA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812082211j73e02ee5l4dd1250bb739a2fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:11:00 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: # delays, mods, boss, fx loops, moog... for andrew gallasch In-Reply-To: <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003001c95957$e9c4b7a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <63797.19155.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1CBFAC.A.rGD.1vgPJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:11:01 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:53 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? Yes, basically. I've seen him live twice and he plugs both a mic and a guitar into the DL4. I don't know if that is possible, if not I guess he has some sort of "merger" - maybe a mixer. But he does certainly not "mix", all blending of sounds are performed by playing the guitar and the DL4 by hands and feet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 10:20:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239C63BE86; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <000001c95982$0270b090$020313ac@PIPO> Subject: Re: Kaoss pad 3 LED matrix controller idea for LP1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:20:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:20:27 +0000 (UTC) >I've installed it on the left side of > my stage piano, I'm controlling the KP3 with my left hand. The good > thing about it is that I have better visual control about what's > happening with the LP1 while looping. Imo a good alternative for > keyboard players or if you want to have a small but very powerful midi > controller and FX unit. The same for me: My KP is always on the left of my piano, till I bought it in 2005. > Of course, the KP3 also has it's minus. The most annoying thing is that, > once you are in the external midi control mode, you can't use the > internal KP3 effects or play samples... Why? That's very strange...I use my KP2 to send MIDI data to Mobius, at the same time i can use its internal effects and/or play sanples. Are you sure about the fact that the KP3 has this ...."bug" ? Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: RE: Kaoss pad 3 LED matrix controller idea for LP1 > Hi, > In case you are interested, I've documented some hints and tips of the > Kaoss pad 3's external controller feature and the Roland FC-300 MFC in > combination with Looperlative LP1. I've installed it on the left side of > my stage piano, I'm controlling the KP3 with my left hand. The good > thing about it is that I have better visual control about what's > happening with the LP1 while looping. Imo a good alternative for > keyboard players or if you want to have a small but very powerful midi > controller and FX unit. > > LP1/FC-300/KP3 hints and tips => http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/lp1.htm > Picture => http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/images/lp1_kp3.jpg > > Of course, the KP3 also has it's minus. The most annoying thing is that, > once you are in the external midi control mode, you can't use the > internal KP3 effects or play samples... Why? I hope Korg will add that > feature in a future OS version, because that will allow you to create an > initial loop on the LP1 using a KP3 tempo effect (eg delay) and have > them in sync. Because one of the very good things about the LP1 is that > midi sync works perfectly in both master and slave mode so that's not > the issue :) > > Btw: Does anyone know were to drop enhancement requests at Korg? > Korg.com? Our local Korg website does not even have a support site > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 08/12/2008 18.16 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 10:45:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9143BE88; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:45:06 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Kaoss pad 3 LED matrix controller idea for LP1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:45:08 +0000 (UTC) > That's very strange...I use my KP2 to send MIDI data to Mobius, > at the same time i can use its internal effects and/or play sanples. > Are you sure about the fact that the KP3 has this ...."bug" ? Fabio, thanks for your info. It's really weird that it does work with the= Kp2. Btw: to be sure, I just checked my Kp3 manual, it says: "Ext.Ctrl =3D= > This lets you use the Kp3 as a MIDI controller. The effects will not fu= nction in this mode". You would expect that manufacturers enhance their products in stead of re= moving useful functionality when releasing new models. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 11:16:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5007F3BE8C; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=kUqZ82+ANKpHTeYaK1cjE40e07hAtaWYpJOXcDF+Ir0=; b=fokMwpB8qx/jUTVgIEPkm6fZSxk++vk8o0htTWE6OFHVxvZFGcKNesshJnxwLiHc29 kKR5VNDZ2UseRt9OnMgZ10Huf2sOyVYOBPyLb5tPxnREVOAwzt2EgHblx2P3duAQWCIh Xv58Z0AO5fiaNtdZwLGTCJp789oAjaOJlxwzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=DSfmrQkEE7ZJIsVavaT0nRSwARN/1I9DJqzhTKeeiNrbACWYLYcpE5bckjfCeFIDdi p8b8q4oVuehYCy9wpq/LhAxdOAUdfT8KoD3TIcMfwZ51/9BU/g9HAaCkAerAKMA8ZPSq oBTZBCD3VtJzyNjygmdQllJrmIlrg9U+Wx2mE= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812090316n75c9eb59mae68cb0e5e06c7e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:16:20 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: Any suggestions for side of rack surfaces... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_107103_19986712.1228821380330" X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb4d40f3cc319ec2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:16:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_107103_19986712.1228821380330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi! After just getting a new rack (mixer rack 10U across the top and 6 down) I suddenly realize that my old rack drawer solution for my "table-top" items... just aint gonna work, and I was thinking... what if there was some kinda clever "clip-on" side table, or "wings" that I could pull out and clip on to either side of my rack creating a flat surface for kaos pad / AirFX kind of things... The items themselves could easily be stored in a compartment in the lid of the rack, and cabling could be all up and ready to pull out... so I think it could work well... but DIY not being my strong point (ask the wife) something... that can hook over the edge of the side of a open topped rack... Seen anything? M -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_107103_19986712.1228821380330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi!

After just getting a new rack (mixer rack 10U across the top and 6 down) I suddenly realize that my old rack drawer solution for my "table-top" items... just aint gonna work, and I was thinking... what if there was some kinda clever "clip-on" side table, or "wings" that I could pull out and clip on to either side of my rack creating a flat surface for kaos pad / AirFX kind of things... The items themselves could easily be stored in a compartment in the lid of the rack, and cabling could be all up and ready to pull out... so I think it could work well... but DIY not being my strong point (ask the wife) something... that can hook over the edge of the side of a open topped rack...

Seen anything?

M

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------=_Part_107103_19986712.1228821380330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 15:34:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9FB43BE89; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=n57qHAl7QA/uDcEwXgalRbOAdXQPuVUDttUx+k9Oprc=; b=VkCsFOMi+ymrXB5YQgaZpTpNf3t2PHoFOQN9ppTnmlsxu6zLPbj78m2gaUBN3hIGAz NR6Pe/MibF+bZrebAvz1uTH3U95M0tnGCDeiGVoXGxCKO7Fzcj+VLeJbYy3RqEvoonXI 3O9vsdELSVpwev2EBk9+f4fkOQlMd9x0+dkIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=i7X13fneQpL6D8k0gXBZWen+LpvaWTR+cB91z15u9kumD573xfC8cZu1/nrLJYZAfJ Mvo+wI/l5SmfHy4vbs3D802RqBw6eyysvDSghXl4CgHqzjO3GLeNMKWLWmrvz+3vSy+g x+6oCQTtzVn/cLK0KOCCNmYQVfztV9Jw32W1I= Message-ID: <8feb287a0812090734p9dbf3dw1bbae1f48ea33e4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:34:28 -0500 From: "Todd Lainhart" To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Pearce Amp manual? Cc: "Travis Hartnett" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_175536_23255506.1228836868658" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:34:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_175536_23255506.1228836868658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a Pearce G1.7, which is a G1 modded by Dan to be a G2 (my words - he called it the "David Torn" modification). I don't have the G2 manual, but I've got some Pearce documentation scanned here that might be helpful. I too like the amp. http://lainhart.net/Pearce/pearce.pdf I believe that Dan Pearce works at Bose, at least, as of a year or so ago. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM, William Walker wrote: > The dip switches are gain and eq presets, that give the pre-amp more > distortion and more top end edge, and or bass response. There are a pair for > each channel as I recall. I believe these are based on mods done for > guitarist Ronnie Montrose, who along with Alan Holdsworth and Ty Tabor from > King's X, were Pearce's most visible endorsers. I believe Andy Summers and > David Torn used them as well. I had the preamp version of your amp, and > before than I had a non stereo G1B, mounted in a cabinet and an A-I power > amp mounted in a separate cabinet both driving EV speakers. A real stereo > rig. Incidentally I still have an original pearce single button foot switch > for channel switching if you need one. I'll let it go cheap even though by > now, it's, you know, "Vintage". The only guy I know that might have one is > Bill Delap, the Monterey based builder who made custom guitars for > Holdsworth for several years before Alan took essentially the design Bill D. > helped create, and brought it to Carvin to make an Allan Holdsworth model. > That would be the Fatboy chambered guitar. Bill Delap is hard to reach and I > don't believe has a web site, but as far as I know, Alan gave him a punch of > Pearce gear, and he has collected that stuff for a long time. Pearce amps > are very good quality, as good a solid state amp as you will find for > guitar, smooth creamy distortion, great clean sounds, a built in limiter > that really works. The only downside of the later models was a tendency for > the Alesis designed digital effects to stop working due to, I believe faulty > ribbon cable issues. The good news is this circuit can be disabled and the > amp will still work fine. Last I heard, Dan Pearce was working at ART but > that was ten years ago. > > Good Luck > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:08 PM > *To:* LD > *Subject:* OT: Pearce Amp manual? > > > > I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a > manual. Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP switches > do? Off-list answer probably best in this case. > > Thanks, > > Travis Hartnett > ------=_Part_175536_23255506.1228836868658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a Pearce G1.7, which is a G1 modded by Dan to be a G2 (my words - he called it the "David Torn" modification).  I don't have the G2 manual, but I've got some Pearce documentation scanned here that might be helpful.  I too like the amp.

http://lainhart.net/Pearce/pearce.pdf

I believe that Dan Pearce works at Bose, at least, as of a year or so ago.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

The dip switches are  gain and eq presets, that give the pre-amp more distortion and more top end edge, and or bass response. There are a pair for each channel as I recall. I believe these are based on mods done for guitarist Ronnie Montrose, who along with Alan Holdsworth and Ty Tabor from King's X, were Pearce's most visible endorsers. I believe Andy Summers and David Torn used them as well. I had the preamp version of your amp, and before than I had a non stereo G1B, mounted in a cabinet and an A-I power amp mounted in a separate cabinet both driving EV speakers.  A real stereo rig.  Incidentally I still have an original pearce single button foot switch for channel switching if you need one. I'll let it go cheap even though by now, it's, you know, "Vintage". The only guy I know that might have one is Bill Delap, the Monterey based builder who made custom guitars for Holdsworth for several years before Alan took essentially the design Bill D. helped create, and brought it to Carvin to make an Allan Holdsworth model. That would be the Fatboy chambered guitar. Bill Delap is hard to reach and I don't believe has a web site, but as far as I know, Alan gave him a punch of Pearce gear, and he has collected that stuff for a long time. Pearce amps are very good quality, as good a solid state amp as you will find for guitar, smooth creamy distortion, great clean sounds, a built in limiter that really works. The only downside of the later models was a tendency for the Alesis designed digital effects to stop working due to, I believe faulty ribbon cable issues. The good news is this circuit can be disabled and the amp will still work fine. Last I heard, Dan Pearce was working at ART but that was ten years ago.

 Good Luck

 Bill

 


From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:08 PM
To: LD
Subject: OT: Pearce Amp manual?

 

I just picked up a Pearce G2r, and I'm having no luck googling up a manual.  Anyone have any info on exactly what the front panel DIP switches do?  Off-list answer probably best in this case.

Thanks,

Travis Hartnett


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thanks for sending that link-on genie looping. some interesting stuff.
funny thing it looks like he's also using a digitech rp100, but it may be one of the smaller rp models that sell for like 70$ or so, can't quite tell the size of the unit in the vid.
funny to see though.
he certainly gets some great sounds!!!!
s----


Think your right Travis, in this vid he is using a couple of other boxes, I can't make out what they are.
Both inputs are taken up on the DL 4 so that makes sense.
 
 

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YOURS FAITHFULLY, JAMES SAKATO ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 9 22:16:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C903BE8A; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=omXTzcsWzHC2iJtkJ+fwQaeZQBV9BgKL6MpGY0HE+iQ=; b=Z217zisYzl0fJT8On8E2Cw9vRohLRzdy6hA9rom6Nb14KjGiVjr02Z7YZigq/VWuEk i3AUjF6+lLnbyX4ULuXyRk/3E1HHMuIzFdbDybb65BmunIIAJyTYLP5qY7lFBRRuXxiJ 4/+ZnAXFo/pkPL97gKeL+cLw2ca1WPAMNJkwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=cr7DjU6WrDKeC3ZQPhzHfLtZsk20oox4sLZE0orJfzuO2gU2b4aeebgDF+J0irH3vQ hyqqlhqDJ46XbnvXgJsxNfAieLmtNyalh4DYdz9AcAFHwKjvhT1qY7ZaNy5crHMCL5RA UlIWygsM6Blf0TqQ/MPxNbGdoHIDgZ8x4Ik70= Message-ID: <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:15:56 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:16:00 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: >> Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor? > > Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails > are likely components to fail. > Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious > to find. The most likely thing to fail in any electrical device is connectors, cable connectors, or IC connections. Open the box and give all connectors good sex. (You know, push'em in and out till they scream). Only if that fails smell and look for blown parts... (Looping devices are like loopers, only if sex doesn't help you have to go to the doctor...) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 00:00:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A1653BE8A; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 362 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:10 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jLpRGqG3KFKFW6Fu6Z4uG43RQUtTGnXrUqf0rY0ikhk=; b=IFGwBrVc0JPrk7nBLRoVosbkarA80/UvlNooMDzcxLS+Z4Lx+V41n38+THB7HPNAAv uOYNSUOMPeO/ioM5y0XcZnsUdWE8SnG/yHlaCdBXw+rvzg6dmXiY4la9DL59Rggh//ST kQEAi8hvuDDjtpzK7dPTs671Edc3b37Y0ZTyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NndUH7R2Wu5LhVxvq0NdKLbFsymOTJk88gS+kHgkMfKCuEbVLOA7YDz3zVWdkvLed+ mp0gp7KV2QGv5fjQL1q6xfn0Lnwewt35+aXgzgFi6cjpzj4fwcXnU8DoR/oH6kskTQQy 8RQMD5VCsxpTuJOx2brW05yY2bE3e0idWESr4= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:54:04 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_119824_1224234.1228866844972" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0d3daaf7d155914e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_119824_1224234.1228866844972 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well thank you for that Stefan... love the analogy... I would go with your ideas but my vortex does sem to have an odd problem, i= n that a "reboot" fixes the problem for a while, untill I rotate an encoder, and not always... if i leave it on a patch, no problems... the echos will never disappear... it only when I twiddle my knob... (damn that analogy) m On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > andy butler schrieb: > >> Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor? >>> >> >> Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails >> are likely components to fail. >> Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious >> to find. >> > > The most likely thing to fail in any electrical device is connectors, cab= le > connectors, or IC connections. Open the box and give all connectors good > sex. (You know, push'em in and out till they scream). Only if that fails > smell and look for blown parts... > (Looping devices are like loopers, only if sex doesn't help you have to g= o > to the doctor...) > > Stefan > > -- > Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()----------TJ Shredder > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_119824_1224234.1228866844972 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well thank you for that Stefan... love the analogy...
I would go with y= our ideas but my vortex does sem to have an odd problem, in that a "re= boot" fixes the problem for a while, untill I rotate an encoder, and n= ot always... if i leave it on a patch, no problems... the echos will never = disappear... it only when I twiddle my knob... (damn that analogy)

m



On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:= 15 PM, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
andy butler schrieb:

Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor?

Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails
are likely components to fail.
Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious
to find.

The most likely thing to fail in any electrical device is connectors, cable= connectors, or IC connections. Open the box and give all connectors good s= ex. (You know, push'em in and out till they scream). Only if that fails= smell and look for blown parts...
(Looping devices are like loopers, only if sex doesn't help you have to= go to the doctor...)

Stefan

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------=_Part_119824_1224234.1228866844972-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 00:08:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4223BE8A; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bDYTZvsC59xhCuY5EbkacjCQQSDONHjgqCDoZ9j/Vm16ShKOT6ijws5xTVwcMuBd3dqNMg1WnlqEmAdOI4BUYlfKHKBbn9SVgg0l3FzXVdMMD9oh5hrsRkue/UKKuTCtBM1IExBi3XHtZjEAFw0TGKPWAEvRyMZmObZGgKPeJs4=; X-YMail-OSG: FmmN0CcVM1lmMD5u5PpB6ho07VjlnyFPxcU2kPypDk9en._uSRlMlFWTd34WppC0gD4LXgyFeM4NT0yoxwO4WGNEtN0aDuDyRfmvXJs.VaAD6VTlHRIb06qS15unq76v9LIC6kY9FsXFC4qmkSO4e7hrvn47ER3Sq8fLQbKVlBYdo5ZMfUwhwYCdlxR1 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: DL4 dual inputs To: loop list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-259725431-1228867695=:78277" Message-ID: <242855.78277.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:08:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-259725431-1228867695=:78277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool - never thought of that.=A0 I went and got a mixer...=A0 I like t= he simplicity of the mic going into the DL4, might have to try that. =A0 JK =A0 >I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and he had a mic and a g= uitar going >into a single DL4.=A0 I think he was making use of the dual in= puts on the DL4. > >TH On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo wrote: Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall seein= g any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --0-259725431-1228867695=:78277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Very cool - never thought of that.  I went and got a mixer...  I like the simplicity of the mic going into the DL4, might have to try that.
 
JK
 
>I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and he had a mic and a guitar going >into a single DL4.  I think he was making use of the dual inputs on the DL4.
>
>TH

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses?

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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TH

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jonathan Kessler <kesslari@yahoo.com> wrote:
Very cool - never thought of that.  I went and got a mixer...  I like the simplicity of the mic going into the DL4, might have to try that.
 
JK


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--0-1739349536-1228873588=:63127-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 08:26:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A971D3BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=vE3lqilo84FXpimHL9/REMCZf4oY9GnosvRAfr14x/Y=; b=cTCQkIJ0CIGNWdZSTcU3zHVo4On4acPtQ6NXi+tUToFtTZjYKOcsSsSmPerdBA8jUE +WqdUr3nhu/SnGCoVxAdc4SHJpUeyfFhfshTZUPCefWCyut7YnjOkI0n9XOFBdXl2c2m +vx7GmiCVx7K4wCPgxKkV28I3N+EKS/nHhbTs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Q+lkS9deBStuObr98pHLeO/M3YQuQ8StaMcpcgr+FNpX/kAYQztRChiX8kyhuOwnks f+wTP8ObIVLG60jgceeXfvJSw3OrDsW+bFjs0BbkZxBLxfxqRHSgAf+2cZslgrRR1Tp4 iX8uPJqKW5gP3iTHbIGlHX+oFwkraVAWDDofM= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812100026h3f7a40bdg31004e037147325@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:26:54 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Any suggestions for side of rack surfaces... In-Reply-To: <69744FA1A638477D8A871E64E0EFF7A5@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123766_3123543.1228897614132" References: <9ab0c76f0812090316n75c9eb59mae68cb0e5e06c7e2@mail.gmail.com> <69744FA1A638477D8A871E64E0EFF7A5@williamsteed> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7a8155181ae61108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:26:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123766_3123543.1228897614132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline well my new rack is a classic wooden type. I have 2 SKB rotoracks, but Im going to sell them now... just too BIG, and the fact they are plastic reall= y limits me to add all those little ties and botches inside to keep everythin= g slightly tidy. Ive never see what I was looking for (a side popup table affair) but was imagining something, not ness from "the music people" who might have something... However, My new idea is to fill the racks lid with stuff and get a small keyboard stand, take lid off and voil=E1.. a table... and can be PRE-plugge= d! (some of you have have got the impression I was going lappy huh??? Nei!!! I would miss all this cabling routing racking problems) but NO... I DID buy the wrong mixer about 2 months ago it seems... but I now have a new vision of my new rack system... theres a few kinks to iron out.. But will get ther= e soon... m On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:08 AM, William Walker wro= te: > What kind of rack do you have I believe both SKB and Gator make such a > thing which I assume would be similar to European brands of the same buil= d. > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* mark francombe [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:16 AM > *To:* loopers-delight > *Subject:* Any suggestions for side of rack surfaces... > > > > Hi! > > After just getting a new rack (mixer rack 10U across the top and 6 down) = I > suddenly realize that my old rack drawer solution for my "table-top" > items... just aint gonna work, and I was thinking... what if there was so= me > kinda clever "clip-on" side table, or "wings" that I could pull out and c= lip > on to either side of my rack creating a flat surface for kaos pad / AirFX > kind of things... The items themselves could easily be stored in a > compartment in the lid of the rack, and cabling could be all up and ready= to > pull out... so I think it could work well... but DIY not being my strong > point (ask the wife) something... that can hook over the edge of the side= of > a open topped rack... > > Seen anything? > > M > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_123766_3123543.1228897614132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline well my new rack is a classic wooden type. I have 2 SKB rotoracks, but Im g= oing to sell them now... just too BIG, and the fact they are plastic really= limits me to add all those little ties and botches inside to keep everythi= ng slightly tidy.
Ive never see what I was looking for (a side popup table affair) but was im= agining something, not ness from "the music people" who might hav= e something...

However, My new idea is to fill the racks lid with st= uff and get a small keyboard stand, take lid off and voil=E1.. a table... a= nd can be PRE-plugged!

(some of you have have got the impression I was going lappy huh??? Nei!= !! I would miss all this cabling routing racking problems) but NO... I DID = buy the wrong mixer about 2 months ago it seems... but I now have a new vis= ion of my new rack system... theres a few kinks to iron out.. But will get = there soon...

m
 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6= :08 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

What kind of rack do you have I be= lieve both SKB and Gator make such a thing which I assume would be similar to European brands of the same build.

Bill

 


From: ma= rk francombe [mailto:mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09= , 2008 3:16 AM
To: loopers-delight
Subject: Any suggestions f= or side of rack surfaces...

 

Hi!

After just getting a new rack (mixer rack 10U across the top and 6 down) I suddenly realize that my old rack drawer solution for my "table-top&qu= ot; items... just aint gonna work, and I was thinking... what if there was some kinda clever "clip-on" side table, or "wings" that I co= uld pull out and clip on to either side of my rack creating a flat surface for = kaos pad / AirFX kind of things... The items themselves could easily be stored i= n a compartment in the lid of the rack, and cabling could be all up and ready t= o pull out... so I think it could work well... but DIY not being my strong po= int (ask the wife) something... that can hook over the edge of the side of a op= en topped rack...

Seen anything?

M

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http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http= ://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://w= ww.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no




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--0-821470244-1228902479=:63245-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 11:11:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F4863BE8C; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=EzDqozyeRhKSKqe9VuJeWwncPO4+KzFjDmSEXe7rt12CFAVei0WA35IbytjUwdzZfzfpHBv189FA4d1dCpxGPKkb7T1W2uODk5Xvbf/c8nSuclLq78RtY94NoQOwzzptcaS8g1M7kPJgUug0sBAdRDuuulfm8kZzKfjJDZxJg2M= ; X-YMail-OSG: YEhR7pQVM1mBh3zOHQ63K6TBHLAmpElgxY1spVvQQPI14.TG0YHb_mNXGiBFxcT4vOWb.MXYkY6U2ochP80b26URglqS8BWew07VQpjV464xEjCyZK2_Z.6v3cZzianxVfyAXV3n6QRJo3sFrU5HDA0WRvnWGEsi79x6L02Pa8.2NDKRx1j_mivbEvgZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--655317017 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:11:09 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:11:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--655317017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl- Rkas - looping video, he goes thru all his stuff. Awesome Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-7--655317017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello=A0

Just found this amazing Belew=A0http://uk.youtube.com= /watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas - looping video, he goes thru all his = stuff.

Awesome

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




= --Apple-Mail-7--655317017-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 11:38:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746BE3BE91; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=7p1jYEUoFLB5k3TNzoH3lJ96AOTLQFBeknUfFo2tu78=; b=iqQ+r9hyS/Hp88IYzxNufxPin0uIHFIUEbVlS7v11j9xKpkoKHRVqqba0NxSDNoUGa MlpCsqPu+MSuy7s8Sw4f3eACj5yZvz8qaCjACjS6DzA2mdIkIPplRk3/DCeDU6mgwRjv Yd0zW+J5jBHWd05ZpSKYkANdB/EwnLMeWYRDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NIBvSVfUi4rICbSosD622rbJ5kkfL9Ke5CUHqa7XqOo5eMSWn3Nzl6iHT+G8WETqKI uhwcuV7uQTPrRHv4pqsfoSWc05WMZLDuwqqT/S11JEwhaT5q4w6hSO8iLeQvpv5D58PY ONR2qB/l8da5DSgYOP/oNKuNJxZAwWCIEJXoE= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:37:07 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_125112_5051323.1228909027748" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8673eb18dda31033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:38:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_125112_5051323.1228909027748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing elephants??? And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I thought he was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one section.. maybe tonight, before bedtime? ;-) M On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello > Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl-Rkas - > looping video, he goes thru all his stuff. > > Awesome > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_125112_5051323.1228909027748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing elephants???

And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I thought he was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one section.. maybe tonight, before bedtime?

;-)

M

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello 

Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl-Rkas - looping video, he goes thru all his stuff.




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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_125112_5051323.1228909027748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 11:41:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E1E3BE8F; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=45EwLaXEo+mmQYgwV0dFfETEjsLK2V5AAYPDuW2XsSyhbvx8UkmAa4Fn20h4/59cxY8bqQEERP7fEVcnFgfQ06ZhZrKR/fttLQGjz8mcrkgxtaY+KSkP1SJ0KwDc97Sbl8HxoNf9BW3J2jwbL4DQVxzqHmWxWhIw2Z2Op0AWZBY= ; X-YMail-OSG: XMIkyJMVM1nHU56hsnXswB.sPxR6GCoLFvc0qMrjyJTiZmYDcXz3sy6BjpTXgECJju..HR6jc08dTsLXpKaVJwNxJrqSoQRuPMORBQeWD9vvqwNw0Wghh0fo.TQ5TnyDXLFuue5WpmWHpxYyhhZ1xzsqulb1QPgKY6rT5Nf0fvzwMejSpHIDs62g26Ch X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--653504075 Message-Id: <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:41:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:41:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--653504075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Press on mate - the second one is really good - loads of cool effects. I still think hes well ahead of most people and you can see his influence on most of us on this list. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 10 Dec 2008, at 11:37, mark francombe wrote: > Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown > away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing > elephants??? > > And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I > thought he was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... > is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one > section.. maybe tonight, before bedtime? > > ;-) > > M > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > Hello > > Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl- > Rkas - looping video, he goes thru all his stuff. > > Awesome > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-8--653504075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Press on mate - the second one is really good =A0- loads of cool = effects. I still think hes well ahead of most people =A0and you can see = his influence on most of us on this list.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 10 Dec 2008, = at 11:37, mark francombe wrote:

Interesting = to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown away by him oooh = maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing elephants???

And MY = GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I thought he = was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... is he REALLY = that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one section.. maybe = tonight, before bedtime?

;-)

M

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens = <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
= Hello=A0

Just found this amazing Belew=A0http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas - = looping video, he goes thru all his stuff.
=




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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://uk.youtube.com/us= er/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markf= rancombe
www.looop.no
=

= --Apple-Mail-8--653504075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 12:00:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874CF3BEA0; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=l1vZZgoqAxLllfJ/BN367JJzXvRvLLqbbcuOOin3VK4=; b=LqJALVZhGmT7lz5GYlUCneP3qzmiFwSc2pKfB0SomMqtoh2jDZZpvj5WuzZ24EmRNT KKl3yBB7Q98b/uVb7fCpFEb0oHHI8IiA/AkwzWw+OCkfr/erxNo9pAdYH/V0u5kbVRSJ j4/22CB1m2preD+Wsr1e5T9eoD2YS8ggrAnnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Q3WWS3SbAxC+WnW7SpTvRZBW/vyD2bgY9KrHTQYmFHFwW6v6IIQwRygEcM/JvPQJzy wYQqtjrW3mpwtLYE8w4Uw6tc0QMqatWGNTw8K5dd+aOAW93Z1BzMIX5IImZoxYjQuqrK 6uZKVLJEiXR8NjfiTKosFQOguAuGe7PvQ2mEI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812100359p4308db60gb4a4ebb9045c4f4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:59:50 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew In-Reply-To: <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_125406_30655570.1228910390467" References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8ce9def97af1e2c8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:00:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_125406_30655570.1228910390467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > I still think hes well ahead of most people and you can see his influenc= e > on most of us on this list. > no doubt there... wonder whether he=B4s gone to laptop yet?? --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_125406_30655570.1228910390467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
 
I still think hes well ahead of = most people  and you can see his influence on most of us on this list.=

no doubt there... wonder whether he=B4s gone to lapto= p yet??


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http://uk.youtube.com/= user/markfrancombe
= http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_125406_30655570.1228910390467-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 12:08:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D99A3BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0958BC12C4FE43F08E9694CD796CBCF5@pcfabio> From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:08:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0125_01C95AC8.5AEA3FB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp7.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:08:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C95AC8.5AEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a demonstration VHS I have seen a lot of years ago at a friend's = house. It's interesting, even if it's old....and it is always a pleasure = listening to Mr. Belew and seeing how is face and body react to his own = playing.... Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Stevens=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Press on mate - the second one is really good - loads of cool = effects. I still think hes well ahead of most people and you can see = his influence on most of us on this list. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 10 Dec 2008, at 11:37, mark francombe wrote: Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown = away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing = elephants??? And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I = thought he was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... is he = REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one section.. maybe = tonight, before bedtime? ;-) M On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens = wrote: Hello=20 Just found this amazing Belew = http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas - looping video, he goes = thru all his stuff. Awesome Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: = 09/12/2008 16.53 ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C95AC8.5AEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a demonstration = VHS I have=20 seen a lot of years ago at a friend's house.
It's interesting, even = if it's=20 old....and it is always a pleasure listening to Mr. Belew and seeing how = is face=20 and body react to his own playing....
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
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From:=20 Matt Stevens =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2008 12:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: Adrian Belew

Press on mate - the second one is really good  - = loads of=20 cool effects. I still think hes well ahead of most people  and = you can=20 see his influence on most of us on this list.

Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com




On 10 Dec 2008, at 11:37, mark francombe wrote:
Interesting to see his stuff... and sure = enough I=20 used to be blown away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he = still=20 doing elephants???

And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that = for=20 real...? For a bit I thought he was ironically parodying a "musician = technique tape"... is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any = more=20 than one section.. maybe tonight, before=20 bedtime?

;-)

M

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt = Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com>=20 wrote:
Hello 

Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas - = looping=20 video, he goes thru all his stuff.



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------=_NextPart_000_0125_01C95AC8.5AEA3FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 12:15:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B913BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oR8d3XaA2WAWShz/0un871v9V8gr8iFFc9a5ZM5QHk4=; b=kWYYFETGhpPqcM6F93ON4gVcoiGy6E+Pj1WKS7ezK976bnEb6PwDDV+t8pmq1c5f8K iXwkEy0kM9ZHc1oaRZZhttqjsZH/7ygMtxA18QoZVYEHkokZR0r6CI6BAih7K9n8KIUE YiQ+CW9FOVlPU87F6DSkXotBATsR12oiJICJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CHTBlQW+4D7BBMg0f4EI6H0nccQsD9AVeeawiYY57T25d13PM1txLmHpNX+GhSI6i5 9nQCHgFEmBn9LBXlxUD3MwIEDeGGyqYwbJHTFXp6xoOP6xywWMx/Q1tMGIaCbbxVsDDn AGnoxQVcBOHHA5PXn2KOrMThCvxKeOeRDyFF8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:15:11 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Nice tip, Matt. That was Part 1. I watched Part 2 too and found it even more interesting. Regarding his dull talking, kindly pointed out by Mark, I think Belew has what it would take to do an excellent cover of the OhmForce Hematohm demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGJvNHZfow&feature=related (love this video!) As a funny coindsidense I was just watching the Tom Morello demo videos yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-nF8jG3Hc also here you will find Part 2 more interesting. I personally like Tom Morello's guitar playing a little better than Adrian Belew's. Even twenty five years ago I was thinking Belew used too much chorus and flanger when playing melodic tonal material, but this is of course only a matter of personal taste. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > Hello > Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl-Rkas - > looping video, he goes thru all his stuff. > Awesome > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 12:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5453BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=BRAUAJI8aJ7M2MjTz5XwVLM+70qi4lR1xrMmYOUJAqsU17aA8bP+hkfd1kkDmSE6vbNu8mJDsi6wK84v1+zNa8MpmRX9sDRjqe/zp7F67IjjoyBDM/LFZFrYnWwpePwCxB++XzvnxeDxWNDFrY+JTUD+jCyKBD+TEqEfXBsPWjQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: plnpaa4VM1k0HDnnHUdjmwEQDi9qz5XCA_atfwxthk_UObA9f0g64yp7drOeyh2vFL2w3EyfwT3emWV8sn4W6ZiwGb19tQ.Pku53EJS8b2b8fri3CSyB_8lNR_IZK4oYiiM3yKwjPvp5Z2LNEQmgFX5P X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--650804374 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:26:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <6IITrD.A.3F.PW7PJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:26:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--650804374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Per (getting whammy pedal out now)... Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 10 Dec 2008, at 12:15, Per Boysen wrote: > Nice tip, Matt. That was Part 1. I watched Part 2 too and found it > even more interesting. Regarding his dull talking, kindly pointed out > by Mark, I think Belew has what it would take to do an excellent cover > of the OhmForce Hematohm demo: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGJvNHZfow&feature=related (love > this video!) > > As a funny coindsidense I was just watching the Tom Morello demo > videos yesterday: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-nF8jG3Hc also here you will find > Part 2 more interesting. I personally like Tom Morello's guitar > playing a little better than Adrian Belew's. Even twenty five years > ago I was thinking Belew used too much chorus and flanger when playing > melodic tonal material, but this is of course only a matter of > personal taste. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: >> Hello >> Just found this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pMagxl- >> Rkas - >> looping video, he goes thru all his stuff. >> Awesome >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-9--650804374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Per (getting whammy pedal out now)...

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 10 Dec 2008, = at 12:15, Per Boysen wrote:

Nice tip, Matt. That was Part 1. I watched Part 2 = too and found it
even more interesting. Regarding = his dull talking, kindly pointed out
by Mark, I = think Belew has what it would take to do an excellent cover
of the OhmForce Hematohm demo:
As a funny coindsidense I was = just watching the Tom Morello demo
videos = yesterday:
Part 2 more interesting. I personally like Tom = Morello's guitar
playing a little better than = Adrian Belew's. Even twenty five years
ago I = was thinking Belew used too much chorus and flanger when = playing
melodic tonal material, but this = is of course only a matter of
personal = taste.

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)




On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Matt = Stevens
Hello
Just found = this amazing Belew http://uk.youtube.com= /watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas -
looping = video, he goes thru all his stuff.

Matt Stevens






= --Apple-Mail-9--650804374-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 13:27:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900733BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 117437421/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.173.78/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.173.78 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgAAK9SP0lPTq1O/2dsb2JhbAAI0BiDB4QD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,747,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="117437421" Message-ID: <493FC4D6.3090104@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:32:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: FWD: Ascension - new CD release References: <20081210120840.31209.1526856829.swift@q134l.fm.easily.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20081210120840.31209.1526856829.swift@q134l.fm.easily.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Some loop content here probably. Steve played a stunning violin looping set at the 2008 Norwichfest. steve@stevebingham.co.uk wrote: > > *Steve Bingham: News Update - 10th December 2008* > > Dear All, > > It’s finally arrived: Last week, after several months of recording and > preparation, 1000 copies of my new solo CD “*Ascension*” were > delivered to my door. It’s an exciting feeling to open the first box > and take the wrapping off the first CD. Although the music is all > exactly the same as it was when it was on my computer prior to going > to the CD pressing plant, it feels different to put the first real > copy of the CD into the CD player and start playing it….. > > On this, my second solo album, there's everything from *Renaissance > dance music* to *Led Zeppelin*, taking in *Telemann*, *Bartok*, *Jeff > Beck*, *jazz*, *improvisation*, *Pablo Casals* and my first own > composition on a CD - the title track '*Ascension*'! > > There are guest appearances from *Jason Carter* (guitar), *Mike > Bearpark* (guitar), *Nick Cottam* (bass), *Os* (live sampling), *Phil > Toms* (double bass) and *Stephan Pugh* (djembe). > > The CD is available online from my website - www.stevebingham.co.uk > - so do please take the time to > check it out..... > > Best wishes to everyone for Christmas and the New Year, > Steve > > www.stevebingham.co.uk > 01842 828424 > 07943 829011 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 13:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8EB3BE95; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <20081210120840.31209.1526856829.swift@q134l.fm.easily.co.uk> <493FC4D6.3090104@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ascension - new CD release Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:38:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:38:19 +0000 (UTC) I 'm listening now to some music on his website....i can't recognize looped musical parts, but he's for sure an amazing violin player with a great sense of music. Raccomended ! Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: "LD" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: FWD: Ascension - new CD release > Some loop content here probably. > Steve played a stunning violin looping set at the 2008 Norwichfest. > > > > steve@stevebingham.co.uk wrote: >> >> *Steve Bingham: News Update - 10th December 2008* >> >> Dear All, >> >> It’s finally arrived: Last week, after several months of recording and >> preparation, 1000 copies of my new solo CD “*Ascension*” were >> delivered to my door. It’s an exciting feeling to open the first box >> and take the wrapping off the first CD. Although the music is all >> exactly the same as it was when it was on my computer prior to going >> to the CD pressing plant, it feels different to put the first real >> copy of the CD into the CD player and start playing it….. >> >> On this, my second solo album, there's everything from *Renaissance >> dance music* to *Led Zeppelin*, taking in *Telemann*, *Bartok*, *Jeff >> Beck*, *jazz*, *improvisation*, *Pablo Casals* and my first own >> composition on a CD - the title track '*Ascension*'! >> >> There are guest appearances from *Jason Carter* (guitar), *Mike >> Bearpark* (guitar), *Nick Cottam* (bass), *Os* (live sampling), *Phil >> Toms* (double bass) and *Stephan Pugh* (djembe). >> >> The CD is available online from my website - www.stevebingham.co.uk >> - so do please take the time to >> check it out..... >> >> Best wishes to everyone for Christmas and the New Year, >> Steve >> >> www.stevebingham.co.uk >> 01842 828424 >> 07943 829011 >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 09/12/2008 16.53 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 14:19:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB103BE95; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FioLr+I14jPpG5p8+ljhgB8GaZqLU33za6c59mH0qKU=; b=oRGiV/4gD8ZpmTOkpMWF5ELKymnaD7FaKuh7RHDDi8483ZSmLx4KP+GG7Ncxa8bQws xlGnJ812HZdPreMm4bGxcr3eCPAKWCCRqNlWi2aAv44/9rrycmwto35k6hdb3NGasLp7 C9ct706BqVlHzwa+35z+X7iE5hYrjvQ3trwik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=aWNRXdS2t5Oif1jHLihDYLneR22ylEi3peXEVXoAVkYP2NcLs0jjPGTw3bdB1GAKY+ weDEZLYCgfZZipIaCAgQYl+wgxUy3j2EIR89fzXIVUruUp67mPp4DIsvep7wYOcG8KYV CkDZIF3AE2SgrJac2JdtcNJMb0nUQSnkZrwyc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:19:34 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ascension - new CD release In-Reply-To: <493FC4D6.3090104@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081210120840.31209.1526856829.swift@q134l.fm.easily.co.uk> <493FC4D6.3090104@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cc582dbb059ac684 Resent-Message-ID: <0MnNh.A._9C.4_8PJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC) More of Steve being looped, if not looping himself, here: http://www.improvizone.com/downloads.php cheers, os. 2008/12/10 andy butler : > Some loop content here probably. > Steve played a stunning violin looping set at the 2008 Norwichfest. > > > > steve@stevebingham.co.uk wrote: >> >> *Steve Bingham: News Update - 10th December 2008* >> >> Dear All, >> >> It's finally arrived: Last week, after several months of recording and >> preparation, 1000 copies of my new solo CD "*Ascension*" were delivered = to >> my door. It's an exciting feeling to open the first box and take the >> wrapping off the first CD. Although the music is all exactly the same as= it >> was when it was on my computer prior to going to the CD pressing plant, = it >> feels different to put the first real copy of the CD into the CD player = and >> start playing it=85.. >> >> On this, my second solo album, there's everything from *Renaissance danc= e >> music* to *Led Zeppelin*, taking in *Telemann*, *Bartok*, *Jeff Beck*, >> *jazz*, *improvisation*, *Pablo Casals* and my first own composition on = a CD >> - the title track '*Ascension*'! >> >> There are guest appearances from *Jason Carter* (guitar), *Mike Bearpark= * >> (guitar), *Nick Cottam* (bass), *Os* (live sampling), *Phil Toms* (doubl= e >> bass) and *Stephan Pugh* (djembe). >> >> The CD is available online from my website - www.stevebingham.co.uk >> - so do please take the time to che= ck >> it out..... >> >> Best wishes to everyone for Christmas and the New Year, >> Steve >> >> www.stevebingham.co.uk >> 01842 828424 >> 07943 829011 >> > > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 15:12:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66D3A3BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> <9ab0c76f0812100359p4308db60gb4a4ebb9045c4f4@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:07:14 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.16.163.70 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812100359p4308db60gb4a4ebb9045c4f4@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB28F01E72A6C8_96C_B23_webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CB28F01E455A1A-96C-583@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:12:45 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CB28F01E72A6C8_96C_B23_webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Belew has such an individual touch on guitar. He reminds me of Jeff Beck in=20= that regard. He is a great songwriter too. =3D-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 6:59 am Subject: Re: Adrian Belew =C2=A0 I still think hes well ahead of most people =C2=A0and you can see his influe= nce on most of us on this list. no doubt there... wonder whether he=C2=B4s gone to laptop yet??=20 --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ----------MB_8CB28F01E72A6C8_96C_B23_webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Belew has such an individual touch on guitar. He reminds me o= f Jeff Beck in that regard. He is a great songwriter too.

=3D-) PJ



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From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 6:59 am
Subject: Re: Adrian Belew

 
I still think hes well ahead of most people  and you can see his i= nfluence on most of us on this list.

no doubt there... wonder whether he=C2=B4s gone to laptop yet??


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----------MB_8CB28F01E72A6C8_96C_B23_webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 15:35:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A614D3BE99; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QKRAMT3EjSMJ7ZYCAb32UQ)" Message-id: <4520A935-E0A4-4289-9639-0732874E673F@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:35:37 -0500 References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:35:52 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_QKRAMT3EjSMJ7ZYCAb32UQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't why he's talking like that... I've had dinner with him and he is quite an animated 56 year old. maybe he took himself a bit more seriously back then. Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings, always -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:37 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to be blown > away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing > elephants??? > > And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for real...? For a bit I > thought he was ironically parodying a "musician technique tape"... > is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more than one > section.. maybe tonight, before bedtime? > > ;-) > > M --Boundary_(ID_QKRAMT3EjSMJ7ZYCAb32UQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I don't why he's talking like = that... I've had dinner with him and he is quite an animated 56 year = old.
maybe he took himself a bit more seriously back = then.

Teddy
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On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:37 AM, mark = francombe wrote:

Interesting to see his stuff... and sure enough I used to = be blown away by him oooh maybe 25 years ago... but is he still doing = elephants???

And MY GOD.. the guy talks dull... is that for = real...? For a bit I thought he was ironically parodying a "musician = technique tape"... is he REALLY that boring??? I couldn't watch any more = than one section.. maybe tonight, before bedtime?
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M
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= --Boundary_(ID_QKRAMT3EjSMJ7ZYCAb32UQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 15:36:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22553BE95; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:36:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, thats an old guitar instructional video of Adrian's. I've got the VHS here somewhere around the house. I forget what it's called. I haven't watched it in years and years. I think it's from right around (or slightly after) his Lone Rhino LP=20 (LP - that shows how old I am). Yep, he does have a sort of dull speaking presentation on these tapes -=20= seems to have a bad head cold . . . or is simply high. I've met him a few times and he's not normally like that at all. I keep thinking of putting that tape and my David Torn "Painting with=20 Guitar" tapes up on eBay. Never watch'em anymore. I ought to. BTW, I just received the new Bill Frisell "Solos" DVD in the mail. Haven't watched it yet. I'll keep everyone posted. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when=20 it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." =97 Anne=20 Lamott (Traveling Mercies, although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she=20 attributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom") On Dec 10, 2008, at 3:11 AM, Matt Stevens wrote: > Hello=A0 > > Just found this amazing=20 > Belew=A0http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpMagxl-Rkas - looping video, = he=20 > goes thru all his stuff. > > Awesome > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:01:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930EF3BE8F; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6GSqepRAJMiIEyYtuikMizv7Nwha7ARSwmdcM/cZHYc=; b=VtKiVc6v863JJ+OIirZRL4jnY6HOJiX76mwerRjWbd5KxPH/GGy1/JaIN7ENWbS4rR tNl5V7wJmtNhu5SupmUR3gOoDZNSjMey9PnlhsYzJ0/7qjwaTuWpLPNm8NANAhCFneJU YdAFkIHXHJ2SdTig9gqP/1d6nN4ClLh/A5EHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fk4+/jjBPyqh4x87aKBPtvBx5vLSomgid1E068twJ6dddFkjM4PKQNnvm6U/NQqXo1 Fo8U8IWlg/WReEN4aBov89GWuT74pXHvIUtf6bjIdgLeiLvwazq0s9rSxiCK0QaiG841 RoC0IxVkClxsn4Bsaz6iFRka17OWYLJ2qdOS8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:01:35 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812100359p4308db60gb4a4ebb9045c4f4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7164_27089833.1228924895093" References: <9ab0c76f0812100337w394c8527t853674c6360a1f05@mail.gmail.com> <867BCE85-C269-45E1-BA5E-72B86DD0FE08@btinternet.com> <9ab0c76f0812100359p4308db60gb4a4ebb9045c4f4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7164_27089833.1228924895093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nope, not gone laptop. He's gone VG99. Plus lots of other stuff. I'm pretty sure he uses a Boomerang. I had a pic of his rig around somewhere... He's on tour in Australia right now with his Power Trio. Fabulous band. I saw him a few months ago with King Crimson for their 40th anniversary tour. No doubt a major influence on me and lots of us here. That was a fun video to watch. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:59 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > > >> I still think hes well ahead of most people and you can see his influen= ce >> on most of us on this list. >> > > no doubt there... wonder whether he=B4s gone to laptop yet?? > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony ------=_Part_7164_27089833.1228924895093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nope, not gone laptop.

He's gone VG99.  Plus lots of other = stuff.  I'm pretty sure he uses a Boomerang.  I had a pic of = his rig around somewhere...

He's on tour in Australia right now = with his Power Trio.  Fabulous band.  I saw him a few months ago = with King Crimson for their 40th anniversary tour. 

No doubt a major influence on me and lots of us here. 

Tha= t was a fun video to watch. 

On Wed= , Dec 10, 2008 at 6:59 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:=
 
I still think hes well ahead of most people  and you can see his = influence on most of us on this list.

no doubt there... wonder whether he=B4s gone to= laptop yet??



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------=_Part_7164_27089833.1228924895093-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:16:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181CB3BE97; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <493FEB59.3010907@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:25 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4t6DGC.A.NKG.ht-PJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:16:33 +0000 (UTC) I love that David Torn video...I really just watch these videos for the bonus music, the "instruction" parts rarely say much one couldn't gather from watching them or seeing a pic of their effects. I can't wait to get the Frisell DVD, I love his solo looping/playing work. Here's a clip from it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBXFUuu_SQ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I keep thinking of putting that tape and my David Torn "Painting with > Guitar" tapes up on eBay. > > Never watch'em anymore. > > I ought to. > > BTW, I just received the new Bill Frisell "Solos" DVD in the mail. > > Haven't watched it yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:39:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4663BE95; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5290 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:39:02 UTC Message-ID: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> From: "Stephen Moyes" To: References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Introduction Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <5cs2rB.A.juG.mC_PJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Greetings loopers, I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought it was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of your wonderful discussions. I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up the cello five or six years ago. I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based composition and various other odd musical projects. My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4 soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last year and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. Best wishes to you all, Steve www.stevemoyes.org.uk p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17593BE9E; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MZb3GAndjDiTDH7Vve5o6hBRb5TFtlpeCoGdcMoQCB1gtBwgHFriJRZhbHBbszrB9SoVq1g0nt8TIbpPa0jz70Vh2n5JWj+ipA8WyAvECfygEAQInjhtkVdRLb1AtdDzgto/0505kFIdGCDuoSSo53P4BUJ8qnZNCthRJCQSQV4=; X-YMail-OSG: 5zEmwLIVM1k4ofLnPGGkjkuzRicwlOICI_X.Tu0enVCdDniSk3sjBfOzyC4ap8ndmwSvLqpIoYlOdhQa18BFLpkL.Mo_YvFifGCF2kRe1ut9.fmTFBpj.7LH9zIkYqoP3MJb X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: Adrian Belew: EH 16 sec digital delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-880364847-1228927486=:83601" Message-ID: <973543.83601.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:44:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-880364847-1228927486=:83601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, that is from Adrian Belew's "Electronic Guitar" VIDEO. i got it for XMAS a few yrs ago. it is a bit dry at times for the talk demos, but you have to remember: IT'S FROM 1985!!!!!! there weren't a lot of vids out at that time, to my knowledge, and certainly none from people who were playing on the edge/fringe of rock guitar!! i do think his demo of the EH-16 sec DD is pretty amazing even still today. the funny thing is he calls it his digital tape LOOP machine. ha. and i think his use of effects are still pretty amazing-but look at the AMOUNT OF GEAR he has, whooooa, would hate to have to cart that around. s--- --0-880364847-1228927486=:83601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
yes, that is from Adrian Belew's "Electronic Guitar" VIDEO.
i got it for XMAS a few yrs ago.
it is a bit dry at times for the talk demos, but you have to remember: IT'S FROM 1985!!!!!!
there weren't a lot of vids out at that time, to my knowledge, and certainly none from people who were playing on the edge/fringe of rock guitar!!

i do think his demo of the EH-16 sec DD is pretty amazing even still today. the funny thing is he calls it his digital tape LOOP machine. ha.
and i think his use of effects are still pretty amazing-but look at the AMOUNT OF GEAR he has, whooooa, would hate to have to cart that around.
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--0-880364847-1228927486=:83601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:52:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB963BE8F; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:24 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dUxEl3Ny1ejlc33N1BuiTrzGd+p+nLW2IYBWSsM+20psMNQIqCWhcTRxP81XBupM3LyLV//TMDBd3GMEFzkr+JxKs+bVskJZTbMOJmHNVpgIChvwQnPUMnD1UV+mEG0eOD6k6184dKcrbL13lGv9IzQ5MRp8yrAbz3V2xqw3JpI=; X-YMail-OSG: GffgU3MVM1k7Qkf5rRBRuVFXvTdNR4gp3kVOHhM0Wnd0eRSEiogAyXy4z4E.Fq6FYMnGI3alGvcLmKc8qObNyX0m6eEEoWOW7XZY1j3KzP.b0qfsswm7Pzqg5VS6sQASgevcWBfbP12z3VmQ7TGAs_l0lgc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1325496620-1228927544=:51624" Message-ID: <370057.51624.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1325496620-1228927544=:51624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome aboard! =A0 "Loopski" --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Stephen Moyes wrote: From: Stephen Moyes Subject: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:11 AM Greetings loopers, I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought = it was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of y= our wonderful discussions. I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up = the cello five or six years ago. I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based composition and various other odd musical projects. My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4 soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last y= ear and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. Best wishes to you all, Steve www.stevemoyes.org.uk p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page.=20 =0A=0A=0A --0-1325496620-1228927544=:51624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Welcome aboard!
 
"Loopski"

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Stephen Moyes <stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
From: Stephen Moyes <stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Introduction
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:11 AM

Greetings loopers,

I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought it
was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of your
wonderful discussions.

I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on
various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th
birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up the
cello five or six years ago.

I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based
composition and various other odd musical projects.

My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4
soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last year
and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm
doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London.

I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge
amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future
discussions and being part of your lovely looping community.

Best wishes to you all,

Steve
www.stevemoyes.org.uk

p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the
'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track
has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius
recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of where I
am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the
'performances' page. 


--0-1325496620-1228927544=:51624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:52:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ECA43BEC1; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=vkS6WnvVmnsyEtFaW89qpPlMtrKMEEFwSjYINLi+nApK41WhNboQ3YiDU+PIFxfoMk4HYJ8eYIBJN2+pvrBSBxUnTitDaYldkF4qGZhwcR2nZtxnuq5IhX/WxV6R6PdijJImLPh+MqRnRLUE50cYN6YbReJMU1oX2MdycArrB+k=; X-YMail-OSG: _Dejq4kVM1kMc8pP2Ys6JK0gvenAmxKqW_4cWyyi.ym_fOFhyjM909q9WmmCewDJMogrKNn7Qjo1iZKnMNLXL3NthiXq7sPc.fq5CXQ5hgQ4Tu1fqfkG4soIKQCVqRRFFhtdEPrdpE73BdKGPq3Vzq6hFCY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1273513618-1228927553=:3485" Message-ID: <600590.3485.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1273513618-1228927553=:3485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome aboard! =A0 "Loopski" --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Stephen Moyes wrote: From: Stephen Moyes Subject: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:11 AM Greetings loopers, I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought = it was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of y= our wonderful discussions. I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up = the cello five or six years ago. I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based composition and various other odd musical projects. My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4 soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last y= ear and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. Best wishes to you all, Steve www.stevemoyes.org.uk p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page.=20 =0A=0A=0A --0-1273513618-1228927553=:3485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Welcome aboard!
 
"Loopski"

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Stephen Moyes <stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
From: Stephen Moyes <stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Introduction
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:11 AM

Greetings loopers,

I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought it
was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of your
wonderful discussions.

I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on
various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th
birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up the
cello five or six years ago.

I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based
composition and various other odd musical projects.

My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4
soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last year
and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm
doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London.

I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge
amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future
discussions and being part of your lovely looping community.

Best wishes to you all,

Steve
www.stevemoyes.org.uk

p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the
'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track
has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius
recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of where I
am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the
'performances' page. 


--0-1273513618-1228927553=:3485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 16:52:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8DB43BEC9; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=H6AFGcFcIw9BevYOcj21/J6LhiTa+ccQ6iS0+iWoTvQ=; b=eUamkD/Gi0Wu5wmnp0Tf1nQYKhQnV58qvZ5eohy4w0LV+qg3JiiTqu/yzZQe5KCIDF NbZGDToYT3W48ZjHmgTeADAsHlIHF1nFYnYtPuAkC6/A7PMrF6vb882aMPUIqDpHEE9p AR+7bDqnZ/q/muvMtk9jgxG2gn21lMaNm8BHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MA0EV6EPQwYJESQEXiOLJfdfnmrT9Tru6Q5BbZMnOfA5Pz+amHPwgmbeeXKld6a7rV YyutXema8JiqDIL56r4785fdvsutnPd2nSK774X0/0VN79dOmpZlO/Hlo8q2wBoy+6+h xcfKWPXEPEUPu8+kXYgqCpz1FZehxdq1mapoQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812100852k1abcfd82u8a893787e59af9bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:52:35 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> Resent-Message-ID: <7tl2YC.A.HVH.UP_PJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Steve, Nice seeing new virtual faces on the list! :-)) Listened to your clips and liked it. What's making those bell like sounds in the cello piece? (the metallic sounding, not the filtering). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Stephen Moyes wrote: > Greetings loopers, > > I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought > it was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of > your wonderful discussions. > > I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on > various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th > birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took up > the cello five or six years ago. > > I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based > composition and various other odd musical projects. > > My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4 > soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last > year and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesday > I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. > > I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge > amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future > discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. > > Best wishes to you all, > > Steve > www.stevemoyes.org.uk > > p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sounds' > page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4 > looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although it's > over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's also > details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 18:22:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EA503BEA9; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zulP2WmsqwEkWTfkTnBJUzvWdXhdsbLvUC8q8mVLCYc=; b=dBn8D2Gu9rPDGUnOF1xudBvDuUhg52+/EyvpoR4/6Azne4ZEyGKWAMEbPEXOJQ6FS/ 1Dkykw+Ef/4SOPmYvTGzfy71rvSzSKnZTDFi38cPLQomqm7kfi1E9nfagA/21sjPa/zc 0I0wFOpzz30kLZoUk8VIYp/e9zbElPZhcxHQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RZTr/lmzwcI2M0E9zqiG+HEbRaaDbvfknn2IjbiWezv69aZBlg8XkJ+oiHZnXV45IG j0TMB8i/E+vPJd51JcRDBw+TtxgxEzgQY2yQ/dA2RUUsVxEFczZm5zXbEC9JDiMWnqTh EsFgCJ4qmpKLu0SNuKp7uLpHYcj9aBDGm81ws= Message-ID: <3fa302e30812101014x31f78320p7d073bb8922b507@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:14:55 -0800 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98309_8985438.1228932895946" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_98309_8985438.1228932895946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure. They're almost always the problem. I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also had them sent them to me and installed them myself semi-successfully. (one screwup with overheating and destroying the pot). I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes and one last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to become very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel stereo tweakage! On 12/9/08, mark francombe wrote: > > Well thank you for that Stefan... love the analogy... > I would go with your ideas but my vortex does sem to have an odd problem, > in that a "reboot" fixes the problem for a while, untill I rotate an > encoder, and not always... if i leave it on a patch, no problems... the > echos will never disappear... it only when I twiddle my knob... (damn tha= t > analogy) > > m > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Stefan Tiedje < > stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> andy butler schrieb: >> >>> Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor? >>>> >>> >>> Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails >>> are likely components to fail. >>> Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious >>> to find. >>> >> >> The most likely thing to fail in any electrical device is connectors, >> cable connectors, or IC connections. Open the box and give all connector= s >> good sex. (You know, push'em in and out till they scream). Only if that >> fails smell and look for blown parts... >> (Looping devices are like loopers, only if sex doesn't help you have to = go >> to the doctor...) >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()----------TJ Shredder >> >> > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_98309_8985438.1228932895946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure.  They're almost always the problem.  I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also had them sent them to me and installed them  myself semi-successfully. (one screwup with overheating and destroying the pot).  I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes and one last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to become very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel stereo tweakage!

On 12/9/08, mark fr= ancombe <mark@markfrancomb= e.com> wrote:
Well thank you for that Stefan... love the analogy...
I would go with your ideas but my vortex does sem to have an odd problem, in that a "reboot" fixes the problem for a while, untill I rotate an enco= der, and not always... if i leave it on a patch, no problems... the echos will never disappear... it only when I twiddle my knob... (damn that analogy)

m



On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Stefan Tiedje <stefantie= dje@googlemail.com>
wrote:
andy butler schrieb:

Hmm why do you think its a leaky capacitor?

Electrolytic Capacitors on the the various power rails
are likely components to fail.
Also diodes in the power regulation, but that's more obvious
to find.

The most likely thing to fail in any electrical device is connectors, cable connectors, or IC connections. Open the box and give all connectors good sex. (You know, push'em in and out till they scream). Only if that fails smell and look for blown parts...
(Looping devices are like loopers, only if sex doesn't help you have to= go to the doctor...)

Stefan

--
Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x-------
--_____-----------|--------------
--(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
-- _|_)----|-----()--------------
----------()----------TJ Shredder




--
www.markfrancombe.= com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://uk.youtube.com/= user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/ma= rkfrancombe
www.looop.no



--
Miko Biffle
B= iffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from a= ll the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_98309_8985438.1228932895946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 18:36:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB3493BEB9; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i/nJS/rGyjPQcsQJKddhR0bLsFjlbW/gYQTyIg0EGLs=; b=eypuFUl4E57PDqj/ujXLRZ6SW0Yfdv4UTQUzAaBwCdNv0dmdRMO3B7k3yV03K/fuZV T66e+q578B/345b+EJq2xbC5HNkzj/yU9L+JXxTBDox18mXdMz7JDwwnL+Ax1HEq4Wr9 3vdtBGCytYDBEDZBdb6c7PMHVlTcWAPT7zXhk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=E+7rHTbqJC93UGlI25jRH0yXIz0oNzRi0WzSEq4i6OMo7RMO+f22kfZ15f1kIBf6IK Njx7kpwaN0CSX7IckkQJhF5zYoR0sEyr7sueEBsxAibeM+LN1Bbl/Sl4k+8Xbap092kF L/VrQkGOfUfYUgQmVts3wYJlPycUPy1Nd4LyA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:36:50 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30812101014x31f78320p7d073bb8922b507@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_100580_25702320.1228934210411" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30812101014x31f78320p7d073bb8922b507@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1qClyD.A.87B.DxAQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:36:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_100580_25702320.1228934210411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The two weak links on the Vortex are the rotary encoder and the external power supply. One way to avoid wear and tear on the encoder is to use an external footswitch to change program values. TH On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mikkoz wrote: > The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure. They're almost always > the problem. I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also had them > sent them to me and installed them myself semi-successfully. (one screwup > with overheating and destroying the pot). I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes and one > last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to become > very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel stereo > tweakage! > > > ------=_Part_100580_25702320.1228934210411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The two weak links on the Vortex are the rotary encoder and the external power supply.  One way to avoid wear and tear on the encoder is to use an external footswitch to change program values.

TH

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mikkoz <biffoz@gmail.com> wrote:
The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure.  They're almost always the problem.  I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also had them sent them to me and installed them  myself semi-successfully. (one screwup with overheating and destroying the pot).  I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes and one last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to become very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel stereo tweakage!



------=_Part_100580_25702320.1228934210411-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 18:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E4E3BEB2; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:48:47 UTC Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:48:41 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <494000F9.9050808@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Stephen, Welcome! I enjoyed the clips 'Feral Choir' and 'Evrah/Steve' very much. 'Cello Loop No.1' could be the soundtrack for the rest of my day... Hope your London looping debut goes well - break a leg! Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > Introduction > From: > "Stephen Moyes" > Date: > Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:00 -0000 > > To: > > > > Greetings loopers, > > I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and > thought it was about time I introduced myself and started to get > involved in some of your wonderful discussions. > > I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music > on various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for > my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I > also took up the cello five or six years ago. > > I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based > composition and various other odd musical projects. > > My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a > DL4 soonafter they became available. I started experementing with > Mobius last year and have been spending more time learning it > recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public > guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. > > I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a > huge amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with > future discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. > > Best wishes to you all, > > Steve > www.stevemoyes.org.uk > > p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the > 'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track > has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius > recording, although it's over a year old and not representative of > where I am now. There's also details of next week's gig on the > 'performances' page. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 19:14:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639013BEA9; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=QB2SyEjMe4YMW3XaUGmDRVTH/4oRWcifGM//HJSv7B/yWRHZ1epyS8DJW8qcyTH+H2HYmW/rxej8WqMM2C75hYWABEWh/t46eLktZ0tD8o6/YpNFuusngc4d8/SYBYgFPY3YPBBSeyyPqFNsMmNjx9+RCPuCVzXqS4KE3TjTE70= ; X-YMail-OSG: fqBkw3YVM1k5rssNK.jTxnaLCo8fXr06ZZoFpH6yj1RSyoOKbtHL_OJ_gnmuBpFZJhfrXzAFZ8rSu62w2Z.Sg7NlA3AQC9QVuCW2yFZZFhqenCcW_eij8oM6uj9tHaPo0Bw04MbVH9TLEZ8MAxbDiN22 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--626337138 Message-Id: <708809D2-930A-43B3-B593-A848C82A3280@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:14:09 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <5ft0G.A.RxC.JUBQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--626337138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Have a good one on Wednesday - I'll try and make it down mate I live in Tottenham. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 10 Dec 2008, at 15:11, Stephen Moyes wrote: > Greetings loopers, > > I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and > thought it was about time I introduced myself and started to get > involved in some of your wonderful discussions. > > I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing > music on various instruments for most of my life. I got my first > guitar for my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main > instrument. I also took up the cello five or six years ago. > > I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer > based composition and various other odd musical projects. > > My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a > DL4 soonafter they became available. I started experementing with > Mobius last year and have been spending more time learning it > recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/ > Mobius performance in London. > > I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to > a huge amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved > with future discussions and being part of your lovely looping > community. > > Best wishes to you all, > > Steve > www.stevemoyes.org.uk > > p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the > 'sounds' page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve > track has some DL4 looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first > Mobius recording, although it's over a year old and not > representative of where I am now. There's also details of next > week's gig on the 'performances' page. > --Apple-Mail-3--626337138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have a good one on Wednesday - I'll try and make it down mate I live in = Tottenham.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 10 Dec 2008, = at 15:11, Stephen Moyes wrote:

Greetings loopers,

I have been = lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and thought it was = about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some of = your wonderful discussions.

I'm based in Kent in south-east = England and I have been playing music on various instruments for most of = my life. I got my first guitar for my 16th birthday (over 30 years ago!) = it became my main instrument. I also took up the cello five or six years = ago.

I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble = in computer based composition and various other odd musical = projects.

My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I = started using a DL4 soonafter they became available. I started = experementing with Mobius last year and have been spending more time = learning it recently. Next Wednesday I'm doing my first public = guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London.

I have = learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge = amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future = discussions and being part of your lovely looping community.

Best = wishes to you all,
Steve
www.stevemoyes.org.uk

p.s. If = anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sounds' page = of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4 = looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although = it's over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's = also details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page.=A0

=

= --Apple-Mail-3--626337138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 19:43:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBCEE3BEB9; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c95aff$89abfc80$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> From: "Stephen Moyes" To: References: <494000F9.9050808@Verizon.net> Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:43:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the welcomes, Elmer, Per and Dan, Per - The bell like metallic overtones on the cello piece are made with a vst plugin called Dronebox, which is meant to make a guitar sound like a sitar. Dan - Glad you liked some of the music. I'm particulrly glad that you enjoyed the Feral Choir. Although it's always rewarding and fun to participate in, I often wonder if anyone in the world would ever want to actually listen to it.. Cheers, Steve www.stevemoyes.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 20:55:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D34F3BEAF; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Atl6ntA/vcGOyNj9NcpPjWHsJ8cGLfZWfBSogOAwW64=; b=dITz/8s6zwRaS3ZyTMG+COAdjq8VFonWWZohWiRGRSiZ/YWTsC+/js3qWce/tffc4h Bf4JCfFPQD9VXqBeHLVbU4Br7Qy4jgqCerdjbz59h4bChi272QGiKki0OoQtoj9ZgWfl iQF19WdIFUfrpoXj5rIK5cfVm4zFCnUrXNYpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gkGom2OpWX7oumePGz8JLQz7oN82VK0hKWlrIBicdlTH34SKvMxHNCxE6a5nm+H5UL rexmZyRPQdDbTGrMfnISZ/rjvjZXaP9GhGN55XBNT97nZf7fDJK5AxUQEzZpd2mP710R TC4Ex+UdYdvhhcGVUkfSmKOOIUCOhLSIf/vfI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812101250r8fc0bc8v4fb333dac4e9e207@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:50:31 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132894_14523418.1228942231892" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30812101014x31f78320p7d073bb8922b507@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a062a2ecc38e7b1e Resent-Message-ID: <54N1aB.A.ODF.FzCQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:55:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_132894_14523418.1228942231892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow.. ill have to go back to the manual, but i never knew that.. i always thought that one had to be careful that the number currently displayed was NOT being tweaked by the pedal as it disnt save the pedal position but the encoders position... maybe i was wrong.. you learn something new every hour!! On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The two weak links on the Vortex are the rotary encoder and the external > power supply. One way to avoid wear and tear on the encoder is to use an > external footswitch to change program values. > > TH > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mikkoz wrote: > >> The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure. They're almost >> always the problem. I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also >> had them sent them to me and installed them myself semi-successfully. (one >> screwup with overheating and destroying the pot). I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes >> and one last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to >> become very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel >> stereo tweakage! >> >> >> > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_132894_14523418.1228942231892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow.. ill have to go back to the manual, but i never knew that.. i always thought that one had to be careful that the number currently displayed was NOT being tweaked by the pedal as it disnt save the pedal position but the encoders position... maybe i was wrong.. you learn something new every hour!!

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
The two weak links on the Vortex are the rotary encoder and the external power supply.  One way to avoid wear and tear on the encoder is to use an external footswitch to change program values.

TH


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mikkoz <biffoz@gmail.com> wrote:
The rotary encoders are notorious for early failure.  They're almost always the problem.  I've had a couple repaired by Lexicon, but I've also had them sent them to me and installed them  myself semi-successfully. (one screwup with overheating and destroying the pot).  I've had 6 or 7 Vortexes and one last one in my rack that acts semi-weird and I'm really starting to become very of dealing with them. Gotta find something new for parallel stereo tweakage!






--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_132894_14523418.1228942231892-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 10 23:30:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D903BEAF; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081210183002.DYJYN.560993.root@mp08> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:30:02 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction Cc: Stephen Moyes In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <8fximC.A._6.-DFQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Stephen, Really nice music. I think "Feral Choir" is the best thing I've heard in a while. "Cello Loop No.1" is a close second.=20 After I was done listening, and for the heck of it, I opened them all in Qu= ickTime and played them as loops - jumping from one QT Player to another ma= king my own (sort of) remised "composition." Try it -- they all work together as a group that way. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Stephen Moyes wrote:=20 > Greetings loopers, >=20 > I have been lurking on this mailing list for a couple of years and though= t=20 > it was about time I introduced myself and started to get involved in some= of=20 > your wonderful discussions. >=20 > I'm based in Kent in south-east England and I have been playing music on= =20 > various instruments for most of my life. I got my first guitar for my 16t= h=20 > birthday (over 30 years ago!) it became my main instrument. I also took u= p=20 > the cello five or six years ago. >=20 > I'm mainly a free improvisor, although I also dabble in computer based=20 > composition and various other odd musical projects. >=20 > My first 'proper' looping device was a Vortex and I started using a DL4= =20 > soonafter they became available. I started experementing with Mobius last= =20 > year and have been spending more time learning it recently. Next Wednesda= y=20 > I'm doing my first public guitar/laptop/Mobius performance in London. >=20 > I have learned a lot from reading this list and beem introduced to a huge= =20 > amount of great music. I look forward to getting involved with future=20 > discussions and being part of your lovely looping community. >=20 > Best wishes to you all, >=20 > Steve > www.stevemoyes.org.uk >=20 > p.s. If anyone' interested there are some short sound clips on the 'sound= s'=20 > page of my very out of date website. The 'Evrah/Steve track has some DL4= =20 > looping, and 'cello loop No 1' was my first Mobius recording, although it= 's=20 > over a year old and not representative of where I am now. There's also=20 > details of next week's gig on the 'performances' page.=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 02:05:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF8E3BEA9; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004f01c95b34$ef7ea050$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> From: "Stephen Moyes" To: References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> <708809D2-930A-43B3-B593-A848C82A3280@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:05:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C95B34.EF61F090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:05:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C95B34.EF61F090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Matt. It would be lovely to see you there. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Stevens=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Introduction Have a good one on Wednesday - I'll try and make it down mate I live = in Tottenham. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C95B34.EF61F090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Matt. It would be lovely to see you there.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, = 2008 7:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: Introduction

Have a good one on Wednesday - I'll try and make it = down mate I=20 live in Tottenham.

Matt Stevens
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= ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C95B34.EF61F090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 08:33:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71FF63BE9E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 117768728/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.208.35/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.208.35 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsAAAxfQElPTtAj/2dsb2JhbAAIyROCd4QG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,752,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="117768728" Message-ID: <4940D165.3050205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30812101014x31f78320p7d073bb8922b507@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0812101250r8fc0bc8v4fb333dac4e9e207@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812101250r8fc0bc8v4fb333dac4e9e207@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:33:31 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Wow.. ill have to go back to the manual, but i never knew that.. i > always thought that one had to be careful that the number currently > displayed was NOT being tweaked by the pedal as it disnt save the pedal > position but the encoders position... after you tweak away with the pedal the first click of the encoder loads that value to the current register, it is then saveable. Otherwise you lose the value you found with the pedal when you edit a different param, and the ped position isn't saved. As it's over an hour later: Resolution of the pedal is 128 steps, twice as many as the knob value (and the saved value). andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 11:36:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA1F3BE99; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:34:47 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4940FAD7.3090704@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Tangerine Dream, the most emulated band in electronic music. The Featured CD at Midnight will "Tangram 2008" by Tangerine Dream on Eastgate Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#oct Become a friend of Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 13 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST / GMT-5:00 / ITZ-5:00. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 12:26:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBA753BEA6; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <494106FA.1030107@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:26:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_-GED.A.ejE.4bQQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:26:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a fascinating article about the city that has declared International Live Looping Day in the city for the last five straight years and still boasts perhaps the largest per capita population of live looping artists of any city on the planet. I'm proud of this place so I wanted to share it with all of you who have played the Y2K festivals in past years or are considering doing so. Rick Walker The Leftmost City: Power & Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz by G. William Domhoff December 2008 Santa Cruz, California may be the most politically progressive city in the United States.An unlikely confederation of socialist-feminists, social-welfare liberals, neighborhood activists, and environmentalists has stopped every major development project since 1969 and controlled the city council since 1981. Berkeley, Burlington, Madison, San Francisco, Santa Monica -- none of them had as progressive a government for even half as long. Since most cities are usually controlled by real estate developers and their buddies, Santa Cruz is a good test case for comparing theories of urban power. Atypical cases are helpful in eliminating theories from consideration if they cannot explain the unexpected events. That's why Richard Gendron and I wrote /The Leftmost City: Power and Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz/ (Westview Press, 2009). It concludes that the growth coalition theory of urban power is the one urban theorists should build on because the basic political conflict in Santa Cruz pitted downtown landowners and real estate developers against neighborhood activists, who unexpectedly triumphed because they had the help of faculty, staff, and students at UC Santa Cruz, the most liberal public university in the country, as well as environmentalists who wanted to protect the beautiful coastline from Santa Cruz to San Francisco. We then point out the weaknesses of the three main alternatives to growth coalition theory: public choice theory, urban Marxist theory, and public choice theory, which are also discussed on this site . This Web site can be considered a supplement to that book for those who want to know more about the history of the city and the political leaders who have run it. It also provides information on other books and Web sites about Santa Cruz. Map of California [enlarge] About Santa Cruz Santa Cruz is a picturesque city of 58,000 people on the Pacific coast, 75 miles south of San Francisco. It may not be paradise, but it's a very attractive place to live compared to many American cities. Nestled on a ten-mile strip of coastal shelf land between the heavily forested Santa Cruz Mountains to the north and the shorelines of Monterey Bay to the south, the city has breathtaking vistas from both its hillsides and beaches. The city enjoys an invigorating climate with moderate temperatures year round: no snow or freezing weather in the winter, and very few days in the summer with high humidity or temperatures above 85°F. Most of the rain is in late fall, winter and early spring, leaving many months of the year virtually free of precipitation. The wind can be chilly near the ocean, and the fog a bit depressing when it hangs on late into the day for a week or two, but most days are sunny and clear. A Brief History of Santa Cruz Logger on old-growth redwood tree, early 1900s [enlarge] Thanks to a fast-flowing river and the heavily forested mountainsides, Santa Cruz had a number of natural assets that made it possible for real estate owners in the little central business district to attract capitalists and workers to the area. The river currents were ideal for powering lumber and paper mills, which provided a major boost for a timber industry that was profitable first and foremost because of its giant redwood trees, renowned for their beauty, durability, and resistance to decay and insects. An ample supply of madrone and alder trees, which provided a good base for making explosives, brought a manufacturer of blasting powder and gunpowder to an area in the mountains a few miles northeast of the city. Lime kilns at the Cowell Ranch (now UCSC) [enlarge] The abundance of bark from tan-oaks -- a cheap source of the tannic acid necessary for tanning hides -- led to a large tanning industry; by 1870, ten tanneries, making use of hides from the Mission Santa Cruz and the few remaining cattle ranches, supplied half the saddle leather produced in the state. And the limestone in the hills and mountains behind Santa Cruz became valuable because of its role in making plaster and mortar for use in the construction of stone or brick structures, leading to the development of several limestone quarries that by 1880 were supplying more than half of the lime used for construction in the fast-growing cities of San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, and Sacramento. A 1947 "Suntan Special" train arrives from theBay Area [enlarge] Because of its beachfront setting, Santa Cruz started to be a tourist destination very shortly after California became a state in 1850, and it has long been known for its laid-back atmosphere and beachfront amusement park and boardwalk, complete with an old-fashioned wooden roller coaster -- the Giant Dipper -- that dates back to 1924. Santa Cruz is also renowned as a great place to surf or watch surfing contests, earning it a mention in the Beach Boys' 1963 classic "Surfin' USA." Santa Cruz became a college town in 1965 with the opening of a new campus of the University of California. The local landowners were overjoyed by winning the competition for the new campus; they envisioned huge growth based on new industries that wanted to be near a university. But no new industries arrived. To their chagrin, however, the campus became a competing power base, with its faculty, staff, and students providing neighborhoods with the added money, expertise, and leadership necessary to reject or control new real estate developments when they impinged on the quality of local life. The campus became even more of a "Trojan horse" after 1971, when the 26th Amendment granted voting privileges to 18- to 20-year-olds and made an already activist student body into an overwhelmingly progressive voting bloc large enough to swing elections in a pro-neighborhood, pro-environment direction when it could be mobilized. Click here for a much more detailed history of Santa Cruz and its growth coalition. The 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake Damage from the 1989 earthquake [enlarge] Beyond its atypical power structure, there is another reason why Santa Cruz is an interesting test case: eight years after the progressives finally took control of the city council, they faced an unprecedented challenge when the main business district was almost completely destroyed by a large earthquake that struck the area on October 17, 1989, with its epicenter just 10 miles from Santa Cruz. Three people were killed in the downtown area and nearly half of the downtown buildings had to be torn down, with many others suffering damage that required major repairs. Stunned city residents huddled in grief as they saw the entire downtown core being fenced off. The downtown businesses that didn't go bankrupt or move elsewhere had to move into large tent-like pavilions that were hastily erected on city parking lots just outside the cordoned-off area. In the process, the quake also put power issues on the table once again. It handed the disheartened business leaders what some of them saw as a golden opportunity to regain their political ascendancy by showing how necessary they were to economic prosperity. For the progressives, the disaster was fraught with political danger: they needed to rebuild the downtown in order to have the tax revenues to continue their ambitious social programs, but they feared and distrusted the downtown land and business owners after almost two decades of bitter political warfare. After a long political argument between the progressives and the downtown business community (which is discussed in detail in /The Leftmost City/), the city slowly recovered in the late 1990s and now has a new Pacific Avenue that is almost as vibrant as the old Pacific Garden Mall. For a more detailed account of the history of Santa Cruz from a sociological perspective, please read the document entitled "The History of Santa Cruz" , which leads directly into"Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz" . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 13:44:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551893BEA4; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:44:41 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:44:44 +0000 (UTC) > This is a fascinating article about the city that has declared > International Live Looping > Day in the city for the last five straight years and still boasts > perhaps the largest > per capita population of live looping artists of any city on the planet= . Why don't you start an "Old men house" for live loopers? I seriously cons= ider to move to Santa Cruz once I've retired ;) --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 14:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042293BEA6; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FofxdMw+W7pvXOpUfgxb4r8jJXHzOAO7J2NtalohmPE=; b=OC3YCN1HjBjVmAp81BOozROyCMkoCq0Qsda09j1XK6RgbwNGyDT3U2PybS9nS622R9 RElp4fTvxNhrOH51xQA/TMG0d9r3Tk2DHyzXsUX5zbtsbyKnIR/NTx3aGIujNTHMFK7q CB9HGp8OOF4lLLVwfoQq+onstFqOe6SbAHK8U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OawF4LI+b0bHrjkRaMjupzh2LX4RHjKn1Faoj0MOSGq3wKf1L8xYR7VXC4AAw6e2Wt BGyc7fhN+ZwZeiUgDDhtl1KBvIjQ3cn9BFPUU+ZudkxnSNAIc3HUqnI1R+Wbo4ioGbfK MhsoDY06dLoLAd73gr+SYPC8GBq8VqjUQppg8= Message-ID: <101191640812110616u4cb3e247u14f4b0d5f8f9a337@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:16:02 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <494106FA.1030107@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_125361_26898756.1229004962504" References: <494106FA.1030107@cruzio.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1cd6930737446940 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:16:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_125361_26898756.1229004962504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've started planting the seed to my boss that our first branch office ought to be in Santa Cruz (his long-term pipe dream was San Diego for the climate, but I'm trying to tip the scales towards fun & talent availability). I don't think this article is going to help the case much, alas. I think it's way cool, tho. Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com ------=_Part_125361_26898756.1229004962504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've started planting the seed to my boss that our first branch office ought to be in Santa Cruz (his long-term pipe dream was San Diego for the climate, but I'm trying to tip the scales towards fun & talent availability). I don't think this article is going to help the case much, alas. I think it's way cool, tho.

Warren
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------=_Part_125361_26898756.1229004962504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 15:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E129D3BE9E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=k4H5mf+L2aXyu47AxBRFNVp37PWmU5pZrZENtpvkTp0=; b=fFGLZ8mA8rveFUL1bbXkVQkykRz9rny9F1m/Bcxlw9hfMD4o9qzcpTy23EdfZl+i4H luf6yAr9QvP7qc5LKAZJ+QlRaSIFq3d4qcyvp/ykvQ+F6O+zUW4pDQzqS3hpB5TrAwSR 3S+6c3p4TOOa1sLMlw5gMNvkmxS7y77bWgugE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LsQvQQ5xNIA7ZC2LMR1033JDirs8WS1yqLuXQ16vmPvH3LpiP4En/aVnxGiZSJl+lg DNb0Nz1HV2+q3Hy2aTjZX7+az2+6E5EwnMRjJkhCOR+Fqf8ctcOh6/bdC/bvf44uFXcR tCxnBM2zbrQg5kLmaspyz+fVdsi8szr/aJecs= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812110708n52713fb7i64b5075b870d6905@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:08:55 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_144631_21275467.1229008135279" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: da7834cdd9d0c549 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:13:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_144631_21275467.1229008135279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline COUNT ME IN!!!! (my original plan for retirement was to move to New York and start a Pistols cover band... but I could do a Californian beach house.. on the porch, waves lapping... ) > Why don't you start an "Old men house" for live loopers? I seriously > consider to move to Santa Cruz once I've retired ;) > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_144631_21275467.1229008135279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline COUNT ME IN!!!!
(my original plan for retirement was to move to New York and start a Pistols cover band... but I could do a Californian beach house.. on the porch, waves lapping... )


Why don't you start an "Old men house" for live loopers? I seriously consider to move to Santa Cruz once I've retired ;)
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Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw

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Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer!
Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm




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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_144631_21275467.1229008135279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 15:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EBC53BEA4; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8a94800b1b435ea5ad58b20e78291aa9@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:28:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, If I could ever afford it I'd be there in a moment. I'm certainly approaching (if not already at) "Old Man" status. I'll probably have to retire in Mexico where it's cheaper however. I lived there once, I could do it again. I like the concepr of a "Home for Aged Loopers" though. I fear the time is not too far off for me. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when=20 it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." =97 Anne=20 Lamott (Traveling Mercies, although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she=20 attributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom") On Dec 11, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Sjaak wrote: > Why don't you start an "Old men house" for live loopers? I seriously=20= > consider to move to Santa Cruz once I've retired ;) > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 17:46:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2403BE99; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:46:50 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OT=A0=20SANTA=20CRUZ=A0=A0=20site=20of=20th?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?e=20Y2K9=20International=20Live=20Looping=20Festival?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c94.43584ae4.3672ac0a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c94.43584ae4.3672ac0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/08 10:28:57 AM, tedkillian@charter.net writes: > I like the concepr of a "Home for Aged Loopers" though. > and everyone thought i was being a clown all these years speaking of LOOPER ISLAND.....yikes!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --part1_c94.43584ae4.3672ac0a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/11/08 10:28:57 AM, tedkillian@charter.net writes:


I like the concepr of= a "Home for Aged Loopers" though.


and everyone thought i was being a clown all these years speaking of LOOP= ER ISLAND.....yikes!.....:)m



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(http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c94.43584ae4.3672ac0a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 18:39:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56B13BE9E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=/q4jPr/gQgrCbJSdRPyP7kMLRbNU61fMe5Y1xow/4lk=; b=mtG5yClzJ3G3UijNTa5oJUwt7elNVWCOdDCAP7LXXuEDeVZzk3dg9cCogK4iGvH5ep hX25scC28PlvvxX0j/R5bECLgaroLSr2/RKa74NfkuzrOJOwbRzNfNBEKcNc6nPb7nF8 Tn3l2reTde8eKy3Y3FqYKchsoA8khaInHH5sM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HBbUcgB4doq/zKjTgSHFNkARlrIHBwzbN0IJLAZi24DLxcs5iQ6IpOxghtprfuAWkL /xClOFvetmDaq30gxottZa6rG/ksc3cv3ak39TJHaumhRHJZmoX9ld+w67Krr5OXhcpM lmCSVg4ifIJOVl7LfMQxnuNwVKQSAHprljYEA= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812111033q512748e8h8f27756e93b961f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:33:45 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for cracking pythonesque jokes about this interesting article, but on the other hand I'm surprised nobody mentioned this: > We then point out the weaknesses of the three main alternatives to growth coalition theory: > public choice theory, urban Marxist theory, and public choice theory, which are also discussed on this site It's like the three most important factors for real estate value: location, location and location. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 11 23:32:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59B73BE9E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:32:46 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> Message-ID: <20081211233246.266330@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66f9cc1e0812100415p54fd505do852903f7afaa9170@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c95ad9$82e468e0$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> Subject: Re: Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ck5N9FYTcS/tSfosM50VUIl1RCjl314XOZREoBv x6tZv4L6+xXWzBToOtkwzOo6wPkUZ4OkeRlg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: TdckOWEJZCEESMdhnm0hK1h4IGhpZYa5 X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: <3zUx0D.A.TqB.gMaQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Great you've joined. Welcome :) -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 00:40:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198443BE99; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bB4dSmB6qs8a38cl/57U9EnOub0h+m7muChnivFwtiWu51CAI/LwbMlosxW82LfKZycWhuA2jMdwPLi/RcgmFcOXN1HcbR55Pu9ml72UzHvz6cYzCDnly6UN0dI3+ASIj36aRYEfpwqf/ABZsxvrQk1sB1VVrn3H3Y2WhM2K4lA=; X-YMail-OSG: wAS_3JAVM1muGo_NDJUBw9MvdeBdO1b1fI0B8jiM5knH9pdLRWhRPKSQ9enEAzWfH209uOUSi.k6.Ygu8EX4ArhtYAmYgTigNsRo7bRNZRkEgMkKoq9oPJubrgMUBvR0xgjmXtTIA6g9XXaCizBkdoTbTrQ- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <494106FA.1030107@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <722784.60222.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Santa Cruz fuckin rocks=20 period. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Rick Walker wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Subject: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Fes= tival > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:26 AM > This is a fascinating article about the city that has > declared International Live Looping > Day in the city for the last five straight years and still > boasts perhaps the largest > per capita population of live looping artists of any city > on the planet. >=20 > I'm proud of this place so I wanted to share it with > all of you who have played the > Y2K festivals in past years or are considering doing so. =20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 > The Leftmost City: Power & Progressive Politics in > Santa Cruz >=20 >=20 > by G. William Domhoff >=20 >=20 > December 2008 >=20 > Santa Cruz, California may be the most politically > progressive city in the United States.An unlikely > confederation of socialist-feminists, social-welfare > liberals, neighborhood activists, and environmentalists has > stopped every major development project since 1969 and > controlled the city council since 1981. Berkeley, > Burlington, Madison, San Francisco, Santa Monica -- none of > them had as progressive a government for even half as long. >=20 > Since most cities are usually controlled by real estate > developers and their buddies, Santa Cruz is a good test case > for comparing theories of urban power. Atypical cases are > helpful in eliminating theories from consideration if they > cannot explain the unexpected events. >=20 > That's why Richard Gendron and I wrote /The Leftmost > City: Power and Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz/ > > (Westview Press, 2009). It concludes that the growth > coalition theory > > of urban power is the one urban theorists should build on > because the basic political conflict in Santa Cruz pitted > downtown landowners and real estate developers against > neighborhood activists, who unexpectedly triumphed because > they had the help of faculty, staff, and students at UC > Santa Cruz, the most liberal public university in the > country, as well as environmentalists who wanted to protect > the beautiful coastline from Santa Cruz to San Francisco. We > then point out the weaknesses of the three main alternatives > to growth coalition theory: public choice theory, urban > Marxist theory, and public choice theory, which are also > discussed on this site > . >=20 > This Web site can be considered a supplement to that book > for those who want to know more about the history of the > city and the political leaders who have run it. It also > provides information on other books and Web sites about > Santa Cruz. >=20 > >=20 > Map of California > [enlarge] > >=20 >=20 >=20 > About Santa Cruz >=20 > Santa Cruz is a picturesque city of 58,000 people on > the Pacific > coast, 75 miles south of San Francisco. It may not be > paradise, > but it's a very attractive place to live compared > to many American > cities. Nestled on a ten-mile strip of coastal shelf > land between > the heavily forested Santa Cruz Mountains to the north > and the > shorelines of Monterey Bay to the south, the city has > breathtaking > vistas > =20 > > from > both its hillsides and beaches. >=20 > The city enjoys an invigorating climate with moderate > temperatures > year round: no snow or freezing weather in the winter, > and very > few days in the summer with high humidity or > temperatures above > 85=B0F. Most of the rain is in late fall, winter and > early spring, > leaving many months of the year virtually free of > precipitation. > The wind can be chilly near the ocean, and the fog a > bit > depressing when it hangs on late into the day for a > week or two, > but most days are sunny and clear. >=20 >=20 > A Brief History of Santa Cruz >=20 > >=20 > Logger on old-growth redwood tree, early 1900s > [enlarge] > >=20 >=20 > Thanks to a fast-flowing river and the heavily forested > mountainsides, Santa Cruz had a number of natural assets > that made it possible for real estate owners in the little > central business district to attract capitalists and workers > to the area. The river currents were ideal for powering > lumber and paper mills, which provided a major boost for a > timber industry that was profitable first and foremost > because of its giant redwood trees, renowned for their > beauty, durability, and resistance to decay and insects. An > ample supply of madrone and alder trees, which provided a > good base for making explosives, brought a manufacturer of > blasting powder and gunpowder to an area in the mountains a > few miles northeast of the city. >=20 > > Lime kilns at the Cowell Ranch (now UCSC) > [enlarge] > >=20 > The abundance of bark from tan-oaks -- a cheap source of > the tannic acid necessary for tanning hides -- led to a > large tanning industry; by 1870, ten tanneries, making use > of hides from the Mission Santa Cruz and the few remaining > cattle ranches, supplied half the saddle leather produced in > the state. And the limestone in the hills and mountains > behind Santa Cruz became valuable because of its role in > making plaster and mortar for use in the construction of > stone or brick structures, leading to the development of > several limestone quarries that by 1880 were supplying more > than half of the lime used for construction in the > fast-growing cities of San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, and > Sacramento. >=20 > >=20 > A 1947 "Suntan Special" train arrives from theBay > Area > [enlarge] > >=20 >=20 > Because of its beachfront setting, Santa Cruz started to be > a tourist destination very shortly after California became a > state in 1850, and it has long been known for its laid-back > atmosphere and beachfront amusement park and boardwalk, > complete with an old-fashioned wooden roller coaster -- the > Giant Dipper -- that dates back to 1924. Santa Cruz is also > renowned as a great place to surf or watch surfing contests, > earning it a mention in the Beach Boys' 1963 classic > "Surfin' USA." >=20 > Santa Cruz became a college town in 1965 with the opening > of a new campus of the University of California. The local > landowners were overjoyed by winning the competition for the > new campus; they envisioned huge growth based on new > industries that wanted to be near a university. But no new > industries arrived. To their chagrin, however, the campus > became a competing power base, with its faculty, staff, and > students providing neighborhoods with the added money, > expertise, and leadership necessary to reject or control new > real estate developments when they impinged on the quality > of local life. The campus became even more of a "Trojan > horse" after 1971, when the 26th Amendment granted > voting privileges to 18- to 20-year-olds and made an already > activist student body into an overwhelmingly progressive > voting bloc large enough to swing elections in a > pro-neighborhood, pro-environment direction when it could be > mobilized. >=20 > Click here > > for a much more detailed history of Santa Cruz and its > growth coalition. >=20 >=20 > The 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake >=20 > >=20 > Damage from the 1989 earthquake > [enlarge] > >=20 >=20 > Beyond its atypical power structure, there is another > reason why Santa Cruz is an interesting test case: eight > years after the progressives finally took control of the > city council, they faced an unprecedented challenge when the > main business district was almost completely destroyed by a > large earthquake that struck the area on October 17, 1989, > with its epicenter just 10 miles from Santa Cruz. Three > people were killed in the downtown area and nearly half of > the downtown buildings had to be torn down, with many others > suffering damage that required major repairs. Stunned city > residents huddled in grief as they saw the entire downtown > core being fenced off. >=20 > The downtown businesses that didn't go bankrupt or move > elsewhere had to move into large tent-like pavilions that > were hastily erected on city parking lots just outside the > cordoned-off area. In the process, the quake also put power > issues on the table once again. It handed the disheartened > business leaders what some of them saw as a golden > opportunity to regain their political ascendancy by showing > how necessary they were to economic prosperity. For the > progressives, the disaster was fraught with political > danger: they needed to rebuild the downtown in order to have > the tax revenues to continue their ambitious social > programs, but they feared and distrusted the downtown land > and business owners after almost two decades of bitter > political warfare. >=20 > After a long political argument between the progressives > and the downtown business community (which is discussed in > detail in /The Leftmost City/), the city slowly recovered in > the late 1990s and now has a new Pacific Avenue that is > almost as vibrant as the old Pacific Garden Mall. >=20 >=20 > For a more detailed account of the history of Santa Cruz > from a sociological perspective, please read the document > entitled "The History of Santa Cruz" > , > which leads directly into"Progressive Politics in Santa > Cruz" > . >=20 >=20 > =0A=0A=0A = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 00:56:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967F83BE91; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uXw8BGE+8QLROG47CNvEaFsxsnDxf1bfSJ/flsPYHllC3Qr6yRg/YiUdkBBnYa5ufNa4fNqen5HmLMf5BCNU7fHb4ZZXU5QX43KoPb64VW295tQq3AmJxh0gASSiPTdKsUZm/DcnPmJG/4vTCP//GgRKMt4JU6ScR1yZfEG2eeM=; X-YMail-OSG: 4NRoargVM1mMbQlZt_ElMJDKuACWm.Y3gV4_Jpep2npSoRuyqS6XzJQf4r8RRlw7a3cZC5KJMry3DXq2ku7XebfgS5GZHhPkuekcWFts21ivFbCf2vBZCtMPeJR8VItKSccD7mEjnfeBgxUtM.JwH3NSZXw- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:56:53 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640812110616u4cb3e247u14f4b0d5f8f9a337@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <903704.19703.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Warren if move to San Diego let me know,aint much happening there but we can loop and go and worship the devil until something looping happens lets start with a round of black guiness whatdayasay? P.S. Rick Walker has a good talented friend there named Gary Lehman refer to him for further guidance www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Warren Sirota wrote: > From: Warren Sirota > Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:16 AM > I've started planting the seed to my boss that our first > branch office ought > to be in Santa Cruz (his long-term pipe dream was San Diego > for the climate, > but I'm trying to tip the scales towards fun & > talent availability). I don't > think this article is going to help the case much, alas. I > think it's way > cool, tho. > > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 01:01:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165A83BE9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 306 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:01:30 UTC Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:55:59 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 12/11/2008 06:56:05 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <3NraCC.A.8UG.qfbQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:01:30 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 12/11/2008 and will not return until 12/22/2008. 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Thank you.***** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 03:17:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CFC3BE8F; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hULYO0twyjAo4EoA+8RYGmio2q/NgmpYc87Ti33iqeg=; b=LaJfDrdgMrjIian9VnX2EADSx2JkVaJ6zOd+G0z4Gg6FgZbMIiVLpaVGctzO6KF9YD dZ1R7Ai3ssRd0CDPW6mQxQWaqk6v+9Rj255q/EyJypvHK/O0WcEixCNMsnlPuHWfltLh AW7Pt6jhUAHqVDaf7/NuVdww+tMocIq2DwkME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RVT25N654GjpfBD8Tx+3YHUShtSuQ8OlRpdZcDgkqVJuh3JsyTq/JqZ7neUoLk9Yny ShtVhWU6Mhp8H+oY5YazdLP6fuoLmp7i4orhiu57U9QpMGrD+zfOe4jxtkWsi4LkoRmo //pSkLvTaxJ9AUhums/54yIl1jLcUC4j0ih70= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:17:43 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <903704.19703.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640812110616u4cb3e247u14f4b0d5f8f9a337@mail.gmail.com> <903704.19703.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8710626bf34c0b4a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Please do start a house for live looping in SC :P Being an aspiring live looper and getting my first major musical inspiration from the festival in 2002 I think it was, it would be great to meet a lot of the best in person and learn from them. Also, it doesn't hurt that I live in Santa Cruz :D but that's clearly not why I like the idea...clearly.... On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Warren if move to San Diego let me know,aint much happening there but we can loop and go and worship the devil until something looping happens > lets start with a round of black guiness whatdayasay? > P.S. Rick Walker has a good talented friend there named Gary Lehman refer to him for further guidance > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> From: Warren Sirota >> Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:16 AM >> I've started planting the seed to my boss that our first >> branch office ought >> to be in Santa Cruz (his long-term pipe dream was San Diego >> for the climate, >> but I'm trying to tip the scales towards fun & >> talent availability). I don't >> think this article is going to help the case much, alas. I >> think it's way >> cool, tho. >> >> Warren >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 >> http://www.warrensirota.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 05:46:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C4C3BE93; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=EeGHQd80irJf9UcoVTlxR/UV3u8vbLedenSznXSZC5BBPPOoBxLb4wdXlCGXgQtANAlmXw15qHe6BIQ0V6tUaw8OstSy2adiZNFqza39VF+pUEnL/P1Z/8tFUtgli8xmflZfJwHhTaExVFMSpFxj1aCdKfmmPVET8/t14lk8vnE=; X-YMail-OSG: cZU0wf8VM1lLBa.sB9szSKgnbzBkUhVvklFX6OrZ0f6Hv9rICE4G5t7N.xTU_LrjwE6W6ZXXSw5OQwUZ3579fSKZgixiU79q6rTfe.x1je0VnugM7GQAmFQGtVEkBVHs1yBQzDC3EZuyzpBf3EEY7KueqkyWPk8DmxKDfjMl0WKSnpAzBc8H9GFWMIJc3AnN7J7.8Jief7A6LL5cC.dEguKGYqJVn.wwsg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Re: DL4 dual inputs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <581302.63862.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1703693532-1229060788=:57311" Message-ID: <198742.57311.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:46:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-1703693532-1229060788=:57311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do you balance the volume for the mic/instrument going into the DL4? Or has this not been a problem? --- On Thu, 12/11/08, L.Angulo wrote: From: L.Angulo Subject: Re: DL4 dual inputs To: kesslari@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:45 PM i used it this way to process my voice on the Y2K8 in cologne but didnt hav= e my guitar through it because it was going through a separate delay(eventide) t= o do independent proccessing seems like the new JM4 adresses this though www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Jonathan Kessler wrote: > From: Jonathan Kessler > Subject: DL4 dual inputs > To: "loop list" > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:08 PM > Very cool - never thought of that.=A0 I went and got a > mixer...=A0 I like the simplicity of the mic going into the > DL4, might have to try that. > =A0 > JK > =A0 > >I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and > he had a mic and a guitar going >into a single DL4.=A0 I > think he was making use of the dual inputs on the DL4. > > > >TH >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: >=20 > Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i > dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses? >=20 > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --0-1703693532-1229060788=:57311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
How do you balance the volume for the mic/instrument going into the DL4?
Or has this not been a problem?


--- On Thu, 12/11/08, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DL4 dual inputs
To: kesslari@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:45 PM

i used it this way to process my voice on the Y2K8 in cologne but didnt have my
guitar through it because it was going through a separate delay(eventide) to do
independent proccessing
seems like the new JM4 adresses this though

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Jonathan Kessler <kesslari@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jonathan Kessler <kesslari@yahoo.com>
> Subject: DL4 dual inputs
> To: "loop list" <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:08 PM
> Very cool - never thought of that.  I went and got a
> mixer...  I like the simplicity of the mic going into the
> DL4, might have to try that.
>  
> JK
>  
> >I saw him playing on the street in San Francisco, and
> he had a mic and a guitar going >into a single DL4.  I
> think he was making use of the dual inputs on the DL4.
> >
> >TH
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM, L.Angulo
> <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Genie is really cool indeed,how is he looping his voice i
> dont recall seeing any mixers,is the DL4 all he uses?
> 
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



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- My Dear Beloved, It is with tears and pains that I write this mail from my sick bed in a hospital. I believe you have never met such a condition before. My name is Mrs Amani Antonio, widow to late Engineer George Antonio, former owner of Morgan Wine Company, here in Spain. I am, suffering from long time cancer of the breast. From all indications my condition is really deteriorating and it's quite obvious that I won't live more than 6 months according to my doctors. This is because the cancer stage has gotten to a very bad stage. I don't want your pity me, but I need your trust. My late husband died in 29th January 2007 in a fatal accident in Malta in Europe during the period of our marriage we couldn't produce any child. My late husband was very wealthy and after his death, I inherited all his business and wealth. The doctor has advised me that I will not live for more than 2 months, so I have now decided to spread all my wealth, to contribute mainly to the development of charity in Africa, America, Asia and Europe. Am sorry if you are embarrassed by my mail. I found your e-mail address as a real Child of God for over a month now that I have been investigating about you to know if really you are working according to the direction of God so after all my investigation I am convince, and I have decided to contact you, but if for any reason you find this mail offensive, you can ignore it and please accept my apology before my late husband died he deposited the sum of €10,500,000.00 (Ten Million Five hundred thousand Euros)in a Bank some years ago here in Spain, I need your help to collect this funds and distribute it yourself to charity homes. So that when I die my soul will rest in peace. The funds will be entirely in hands and management hope God gives you the wisdom to touch very many lives that is my main concern. 40% of this fund will be for your time and effort, while 60% goes to charity as i directed. Contact me through this my private email: amani_antonio@hotmail.fr Remain bless in the Lord. Mrs Amani Antonio
--0-1640133732-1229074726=:98578-- From Lilalindemma@aol.com Fri Dec 12 10:46:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from omr-d32.mx.aol.com (omr-d32.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.130]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4133BE88 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.73]) by omr-d32.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mBCAi78g028828; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:44:07 -0500 Received: from Lilalindemma@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id i.c81.4122af1d (34918); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA033-5c6d494240693d9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:44:01 -0500 Received: from webmail-db03 (webmail-db03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.68]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB033-5c6d494240693d9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:43:55 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Subject: YOUR ATM MASTER CARD Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:43:53 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 81.91.239.211 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "From Mr. mark" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB2A5DA97256FA_1368_3132_webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 81.91.239.211 by webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:43:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2A5DA96D9246-1368-1758@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Spam-Flag:YES ----------MB_8CB2A5DA97256FA_1368_3132_webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attention:Dear, I have contacted my secretary to confirm if you have received the compensation draft cheque of ($2.4millon united state dolars. which I issued in your name, but he told me that he could not send it to you because of the courier charges. Now I have called my Bank to cancel any payment regards to the draft cheque and then authorized them to transfer the payment into ATM CARD in your name which they did. As of now be informed that I paid all the charges exept the ACTIVATION AND DELIVERY FEE $105 and the ATM CARD is going to be in your name, but to reactivate the ATM Card you have to forward your current informations as requested below to the Bank then they will activate your atm and send the ATM CARD and send it to you immedaitely . Here are the informations you have to forward to the bank: 1. YOUR FULL NAMES:______ 2. Postal ADDRESS:_______ 3. PHONE NUMBER:________ 4. EMAIL ADDRESS:____ 6. SEX & AGE____ 7. OCCUPATION:________ 8. COPY OD YOUR ID CARD ________ Contact them with below information , Director, ATM Foreign Operati on Dept. Bank Name:oceanic bank plc Atm Card's department, Director:Dr.Raymond Ibru Phone: + 229 9392 5957 Fax: + 229- 94847211 E-mail: atmservice1968@sify.com E-mail: oceanicatmdept@hotmail.fr I HEREBY ISSUED YOU THE CODE OF THEIR CONDUCT, WHICH IS (ATM-0811) SO make sure you INDICATE THIS CODE WHEN CONTACTING THE ATM CARD CENTER BY USING IT AS YOUR SUBJECT. Get back to me once you received the ATM CARD ok. Thanks and God bless you. Regards from your bussiness partner Mr. Derricks Mark Givens . ----------MB_8CB2A5DA97256FA_1368_3132_webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Attention:Dear,

I have contacted my secretary to confirm if you have received the compensation
draft cheque of ($2.4millon united state dolars. which I issued in your name,
but he told me that he could not send it to you because of the courier charges.
Now I have called my Bank to cancel any payment regards to the draft cheque and
then authorized them to transfer the payment into ATM CARD in your name which
they did.

As of now be informed that I paid all the charges exept the ACTIVATION AND DELIVERY FEE $105 and the ATM CARD is going to be in your name, but to reactivate the ATM Card you have to forward your current informations as requested below to the Bank then they will activate your atm
and send the ATM CARD and send it to you immedaitely .

Here are the informations you have to forward to the bank:

1. YOUR FULL NAMES:______
2. Postal ADDRESS:_______
3. PHONE NUMBER:________
4. EMAIL ADDRESS:____
6. SEX & AGE____
7. OCCUPATION:________
8. COPY OD YOUR ID CARD ________

Contact them with below information ,

Director, ATM Foreign Operati on Dept.
Bank Name:oceanic bank plc
Atm Card's department,
Director:Dr.Raymond Ibru
Phone: + 229 9392 5957
Fax: + 229- 94847211
E-mail: atmservice1968@sify.com
E-mail: oceanicatmdept@hotmail.fr

I HEREBY ISSUED YOU THE CODE OF THEIR CONDUCT, WHICH IS (ATM-0811) SO make
sure you INDICATE THIS CODE WHEN CONTACTING THE ATM CARD CENTER BY USING IT AS
YOUR SUBJECT.

Get back to me once you received the ATM CARD ok.
Thanks and God bless you.

Regards from your bussiness partner
Mr. Derricks Mark Givens .

----------MB_8CB2A5DA97256FA_1368_3132_webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 12:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84D043BE91; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <494106FA.1030107@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:11:06 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 04EE908D00099804EE91DA Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) This is the one year in the past five that I might actually be able to make it there, actually. Got to sell the house first though... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival > This is a fascinating article about the city that has declared > International Live Looping > Day in the city for the last five straight years and still boasts perhaps > the largest > per capita population of live looping artists of any city on the planet. > > I'm proud of this place so I wanted to share it with all of you who have > played the > Y2K festivals in past years or are considering doing so. > Rick Walker > > > The Leftmost City: Power & Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz > > > by G. William Domhoff > > > December 2008 > > Santa Cruz, California may be the most politically progressive city in the > United States.An unlikely confederation of socialist-feminists, > social-welfare liberals, neighborhood activists, and environmentalists has > stopped every major development project since 1969 and controlled the city > council since 1981. Berkeley, Burlington, Madison, San Francisco, Santa > Monica -- none of them had as progressive a government for even half as > long. > > Since most cities are usually controlled by real estate developers and > their buddies, Santa Cruz is a good test case for comparing theories of > urban power. Atypical cases are helpful in eliminating theories from > consideration if they cannot explain the unexpected events. > > That's why Richard Gendron and I wrote /The Leftmost City: Power and > Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz/ > > (Westview Press, 2009). It concludes that the growth coalition theory > of urban > power is the one urban theorists should build on because the basic > political conflict in Santa Cruz pitted downtown landowners and real > estate developers against neighborhood activists, who unexpectedly > triumphed because they had the help of faculty, staff, and students at UC > Santa Cruz, the most liberal public university in the country, as well as > environmentalists who wanted to protect the beautiful coastline from Santa > Cruz to San Francisco. We then point out the weaknesses of the three main > alternatives to growth coalition theory: public choice theory, urban > Marxist theory, and public choice theory, which are also discussed on this > site > . > > This Web site can be considered a supplement to that book for those who > want to know more about the history of the city and the political leaders > who have run it. It also provides information on other books and Web sites > about Santa Cruz. > > > Map of California > [enlarge] > > > > About Santa Cruz > > Santa Cruz is a picturesque city of 58,000 people on the Pacific > coast, 75 miles south of San Francisco. It may not be paradise, > but it's a very attractive place to live compared to many American > cities. Nestled on a ten-mile strip of coastal shelf land between > the heavily forested Santa Cruz Mountains to the north and the > shorelines of Monterey Bay to the south, the city has breathtaking > vistas > > > from > both its hillsides and beaches. > > The city enjoys an invigorating climate with moderate temperatures > year round: no snow or freezing weather in the winter, and very > few days in the summer with high humidity or temperatures above > 85°F. Most of the rain is in late fall, winter and early spring, > leaving many months of the year virtually free of precipitation. > The wind can be chilly near the ocean, and the fog a bit > depressing when it hangs on late into the day for a week or two, > but most days are sunny and clear. > > > A Brief History of Santa Cruz > > > Logger on old-growth redwood tree, early 1900s > [enlarge] > > > Thanks to a fast-flowing river and the heavily forested mountainsides, > Santa Cruz had a number of natural assets that made it possible for real > estate owners in the little central business district to attract > capitalists and workers to the area. The river currents were ideal for > powering lumber and paper mills, which provided a major boost for a timber > industry that was profitable first and foremost because of its giant > redwood trees, renowned for their beauty, durability, and resistance to > decay and insects. An ample supply of madrone and alder trees, which > provided a good base for making explosives, brought a manufacturer of > blasting powder and gunpowder to an area in the mountains a few miles > northeast of the city. > > > Lime kilns at the Cowell Ranch (now UCSC) > [enlarge] > > > The abundance of bark from tan-oaks -- a cheap source of the tannic acid > necessary for tanning hides -- led to a large tanning industry; by 1870, > ten tanneries, making use of hides from the Mission Santa Cruz and the few > remaining cattle ranches, supplied half the saddle leather produced in the > state. And the limestone in the hills and mountains behind Santa Cruz > became valuable because of its role in making plaster and mortar for use > in the construction of stone or brick structures, leading to the > development of several limestone quarries that by 1880 were supplying more > than half of the lime used for construction in the fast-growing cities of > San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, and Sacramento. > > > A 1947 "Suntan Special" train arrives from theBay Area > [enlarge] > > > Because of its beachfront setting, Santa Cruz started to be a tourist > destination very shortly after California became a state in 1850, and it > has long been known for its laid-back atmosphere and beachfront amusement > park and boardwalk, complete with an old-fashioned wooden roller > coaster -- the Giant Dipper -- that dates back to 1924. Santa Cruz is also > renowned as a great place to surf or watch surfing contests, earning it a > mention in the Beach Boys' 1963 classic "Surfin' USA." > > Santa Cruz became a college town in 1965 with the opening of a new campus > of the University of California. The local landowners were overjoyed by > winning the competition for the new campus; they envisioned huge growth > based on new industries that wanted to be near a university. But no new > industries arrived. To their chagrin, however, the campus became a > competing power base, with its faculty, staff, and students providing > neighborhoods with the added money, expertise, and leadership necessary to > reject or control new real estate developments when they impinged on the > quality of local life. The campus became even more of a "Trojan horse" > after 1971, when the 26th Amendment granted voting privileges to 18- to > 20-year-olds and made an already activist student body into an > overwhelmingly progressive voting bloc large enough to swing elections in > a pro-neighborhood, pro-environment direction when it could be mobilized. > > Click here > for a > much more detailed history of Santa Cruz and its growth coalition. > > > The 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake > > > Damage from the 1989 earthquake > [enlarge] > > > Beyond its atypical power structure, there is another reason why Santa > Cruz is an interesting test case: eight years after the progressives > finally took control of the city council, they faced an unprecedented > challenge when the main business district was almost completely destroyed > by a large earthquake that struck the area on October 17, 1989, with its > epicenter just 10 miles from Santa Cruz. Three people were killed in the > downtown area and nearly half of the downtown buildings had to be torn > down, with many others suffering damage that required major repairs. > Stunned city residents huddled in grief as they saw the entire downtown > core being fenced off. > > The downtown businesses that didn't go bankrupt or move elsewhere had to > move into large tent-like pavilions that were hastily erected on city > parking lots just outside the cordoned-off area. In the process, the quake > also put power issues on the table once again. It handed the disheartened > business leaders what some of them saw as a golden opportunity to regain > their political ascendancy by showing how necessary they were to economic > prosperity. For the progressives, the disaster was fraught with political > danger: they needed to rebuild the downtown in order to have the tax > revenues to continue their ambitious social programs, but they feared and > distrusted the downtown land and business owners after almost two decades > of bitter political warfare. > > After a long political argument between the progressives and the downtown > business community (which is discussed in detail in /The Leftmost City/), > the city slowly recovered in the late 1990s and now has a new Pacific > Avenue that is almost as vibrant as the old Pacific Garden Mall. > > > For a more detailed account of the history of Santa Cruz from a > sociological perspective, please read the document entitled "The History > of Santa Cruz" > , which > leads directly into"Progressive Politics in Santa Cruz" > . > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 12:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C203BE93; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 466 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:40:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=5tChUsOUYgGxYCUQ3jZrHyB4id4K6N2t9GRLATLEpuM=; b=s6GoS5smlpfejMTBXl5wt3Wq0vW1PSDAVA6/FSMTgcafIly70rxqqhIUyXRp0/iAdz 8r7/s54F/timtapXDosPzAwoo6Jhsu54IoZD2Jb97JueiYd+n0q3pLRgoz/cNq3MmpxQ vr0ci/arIRYAHhU+Ri2vNNQrhDx/UVyHdEC9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=IdjpxIKv2sJxbH3ES48TsNnNkpcewngyje4LjXAbKTGpCX60Dweuvt0c3nxmWBJp5D 3JHT//VbuP1PFks6pMxMGDMuwLvVYIbeP7m2mo2l6vXguX58BAPNFQq8cOWlJ43GcBbz vtfuFAFwIeCFgVPxXmdFewhAf7kaGgBWtNWsg= Message-ID: <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:28:31 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:40:37 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > only when I twiddle my knob... (damn that analogy) Did you follow my advice? Imagine you twiddle and nothing happens after or happened before? I'd go on strike as well...;-) Love your machines, they like it... -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 13:24:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617B43BE99; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ObZupq9Nu+3AGZ9EZCT3qSnTX/xK4z9rntkhcNisz8s5xaRkfbUkTKO5oakg6erG+9Hk/h0M9LMxxtxyR5OJW10hWtIMBKJVycp6bvYCzLGFEhE7DeEsnCh7EctUMuwj+UYlwINf/QFokaCOEgI8AXxRM0f33IQSodVkCl8evdE= ; X-YMail-OSG: EJe5BRUVM1nONWaA58ozzZCCv6Hkpv87O3t90JrXKj2_VACtvsvCS_i5r8qXkLtAHBtMfFDPZnjAKXRX_sPZMWxu4LEJqFP2TUEewbYL_.QMKlqcRleNrUJHTF6JnqhuVO9G2rK7lXCnKkMcPYrFhV5SqJWKSmeeqZsMZp0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> Subject: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:24:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9SzZKB.A.sDF.7XmQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Hello Everyone, How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. Cheers, Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 13:29:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77C93BE9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CNz3Sp0tvEYGIo/XFS8Ix/ihKB6IXjVfeXjtvS65rrI=; b=nEUnCECiG9v4zA2IQ9IFBEwwtgcGA24B467kpMgRc6Q6hFaVM7m5ioOzjHWdFhBbPR Iq6S9Ld/IWJg3YZ/LsT1H6sy2iroyMha+p2FxFhddGhAt2Xxab/fAy7DhSi5t3gHxBZZ /A9E37lleVTRyz5oILs4eyTr1l6iCIsYCsW+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=k3mN1JSkDUFlLw/wKpYoV5kyLDTYA6t8l8MLxOcZRiHVSz98byScAYdGzhOw2q9Z6J F746GhbH1yOhWSL263PDdzs9H7IR54QeonpggUuqgyGoOa2hDnLu5oEvJ2Z1PneexhKO FvlvSToFlkMp72cP3r0Ul42KuuO92JiT+BR34= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:29:23 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e1a1e5d805d390c9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:29:24 +0000 (UTC) I do http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.improvizone.com/ cheers, os. 2008/12/12 Ricky Graham : > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd > like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 13:53:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0FC3BE9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 115249917/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.176.238/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.176.238 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUBAIv7QUlPTrDu/2dsb2JhbAAIzzmCe4QG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,211,1228089600"; d="scan'208";a="115249917" Message-ID: <49426DC6.80502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:57:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC) me too, with other loopers on occasion, and regularly in a non-looping band. ...but Os is more interesting, afaik he *only* loops with an ensemble andy butler ps hope your research is going well Os wrote: > I do > > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.improvizone.com/ > > > cheers, > os. > > > 2008/12/12 Ricky Graham : >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd >> like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 14:07:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745783BEA6; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=0Yw7sH5iYi0C/wOP6FdtFJrRRT6W1wMrfjKUZwrl4VM=; b=AxQRMLjg1OvE6ioy3+zDSHnx9VAv7NNl5RAIoVeY7kADLOTCMASBH/U6EqdcOpHiHx eYuJ0LIsOHofYR1yV1191JbIjSIw8WaJsiCUeCBxjZKm870lvucEP2NPbB5cSQxQUfUH UNenXELftdBdedNG0wgjfIbJ1rbujgSq6yKDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=r8ZAwqPRjH6LNhg9EAvp71s+4cKXOvBObBkOTiwvtmySat7KAHy8ZvSAMDKowbNMLl Dss0O/Q+UMwtObBPSiv87wTlY/1yxLzXg9d2ENp/HRQh9b8ZyOdHFjZ/IBa40OwE/VsU KxE23KRiRDEo2a3m60WRpU/SZzi1sJdkPEq9k= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:07:52 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: <49426DC6.80502@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <49426DC6.80502@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e991bcb63d2aced4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:07:54 +0000 (UTC) ha! read as: Os can't actually play an instrument himself :) os. 2008/12/12 andy butler : > me too, > with other loopers on occasion, > and regularly in a non-looping band. > > > ...but Os is more interesting, > afaik he *only* loops with an ensemble > > andy butler > ps hope your research is going well > > > > Os wrote: >> >> I do >> >> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >> http://www.improvizone.com/ >> >> >> cheers, >> os. >> >> >> 2008/12/12 Ricky Graham : >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >>> I'd >>> like to ask you a few questions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ricky >>> >> >> >> > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 14:30:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD073BEAF; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/mz3YnsSPKKzwgtjF1hdIa9MK9cmpAWQVgsPfGoUdgY=; b=DTUTktumxfG+BXv83PjqccE7hPgFeYiR127trZFh3v/EwJeGJ84TyGHrXObhYY8kMv JWa+HNxRZW15NvCNWHqgsEdETww1/IlOptfuxveKWi1gjJsNDWSTF0cf0QUvIv3t5GWt fBZu6ldOcQnFjJJvZbveiz15YOjvupiXKRi5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ksjXaiXWIHhvYVe3h2LdoK9a9pzwHiqj+rLU7k8shTCQq3nJXCNFAT3SPO/cXemvdW AuwSljbZ/XfMVjSaw44sP/gkJEUzui0XGVz6W8b3VPFWEbf1ePKnzN1RnqPCctsIdafN 3Fpr7bg43rxG0V2hXvLISse38PMmMhz5YPfh4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812120630g504168f9xc6bdbb83ba596569@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:30:48 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Yep, me too. I love teaming up with folks to make noise together. Looped or not looped. Synced or not synced looping. Duo or trio format has proven optimal for an all looping ensemble, unless you play composed music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd > like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 14:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E03A3BE91; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <74F6CA825F3D49089D0F742671D5C9F5@pcfabio> From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:33:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <9bMd6C.A.1LH.EZnQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Me, too. Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricky Graham" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Live Looping in an ensemble context > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as > I'd > like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 20.58 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 14:47:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728173BEAF; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NEoRRzAUjwJg196EQE5yAjl3D1mXJpP9R0O89pCRuBRIrHmVgwDElb1XgqeJMwDTgE29XBP9T9aqEwyfGKxfoTxOSCpk8mcboLmnsn823K5vE+yLkw4NhPuYKCxAXq8IoJJvbsa6nmoEnbI046y8uqhXCX6zR0p4e7xkp/SdXAE= ; X-YMail-OSG: BCjmQpgVM1nH65HDOI3DshgZ9WOoQYUuMt4i7D1HB7rwFf3d8wbXA4yr876.F6V.zxl8Jd97amriz4VozJ3ULvGCxqUSQw36CMo9loaQRMvmIHXQQS1guuBVLU8rTodFFKOekn5Ydq5vp8vfYTvH89oByPoQ4GlVMM4yVVm_rj4jTrUn5XR502TF_cY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002301c95c68$9de27cf0$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <74F6CA825F3D49089D0F742671D5C9F5@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:47:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7hM1QD.A.IkH.dmnQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! I'll forward a question sheet to each of you at the beginning of next week. :o) Thanks for your input, Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "eterogeneo" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context > Me, too. > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ricky Graham" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:24 PM > Subject: Live Looping in an ensemble context > > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >> I'd >> like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: > 11/12/2008 20.58 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release > Date: 11/12/2008 20:58 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:00:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1157A3BE9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:59:55 EST Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c41.4cd2ec61.3673d66b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:00:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c41.4cd2ec61.3673d66b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com writes: > Please do start a house for live looping in SC :P > i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an essential of happy food prep.....daily musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be long and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be garnished with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. 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In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com writes:


Please do start a hou= se for live looping in SC :P


i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was j= ust visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years=20= together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of com= munity living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had mentioned to= mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "goo= d ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thought= s made me think, rather than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPAS= TERY, where old loopers would be reveared and young loopers would raise food= and keep the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walke= r and i being in charge of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an essent= ial of happy food prep.....daily musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, try= ing to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even attempting to bring peac= e to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be long and hard but the rewards= of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of both children and crusty ol folk= on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, the rapture of creating their very= first LOOP.....oh my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be=20= garnished with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOO= P CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world traveling missionarie= s (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would be created.....s= o many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, the mind boogles.....no more,=20= "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could visit for a fee.....and yes r= obes! with built in hoodies!.....all made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course= , so that we can all be walking actualizations, both visually and audially o= f our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m

"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
Make your life easier with all your=20= friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c41.4cd2ec61.3673d66b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC7B3BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <58d92bc072c209c59f57f98b4465381c@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:07:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <35v4HC.A.lT.84nQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Upon occasion . . . when I can find willing victim . . . um=20 participants. No really I play with folks about as much as I do solo. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when=20 it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." =97 Anne=20 Lamott (Traveling Mercies, although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she=20 attributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom") On Dec 12, 2008, at 5:24 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me=20= > as I'd like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:09:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672BA3BE8F; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12BD992308224427A473D379CB8DC72A@pcfabio> From: "eterogeneo" To: References: Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:09:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0300_01C95C73.FB592E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C95C73.FB592E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still laughing....."Uncle" Micheal..you are great !=20 So...next question is: where can i book a room in the Loopastery ? Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping = Festival In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com = writes: Please do start a house for live looping in SC :P i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i = was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent = 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the = joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i = had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me = a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of = these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old = loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be = reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels = clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge = of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an essential of happy food = prep.....daily musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend = the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even attempting to bring peace to the = PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be long and hard but the rewards of = seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of both children and crusty ol folk = on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, the rapture of creating their = very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that = will be garnished with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the = NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world = traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" = that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, = the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families = could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all = made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking = actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND = COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites = in one place. Try it now. = (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntao= lcom00000010)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: = 11/12/2008 20.58 ------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C95C73.FB592E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm still = laughing....."Uncle" Micheal..you are great ! =
 
So...next question is: = where can i=20 book a room in the Loopastery ?
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 = 3:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site = of the=20 Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival


In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 = PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com=20 writes:


Please do start a house for live looping in SC=20 :P


i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", = very=20 enjoyable, and i was just visited by a dear old friend from the way=20 back.....we had spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we = were=20 speaking about the joys of community living and how we both missed = this way of=20 life.....i had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something = that=20 gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for = one!.....so all of=20 these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old = loopers,=20 we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be reveared and = young=20 loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels clean.....in my = minds eye,=20 i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge of the kitchen because = we "clean=20 as we go" an essential of happy food prep.....daily musical services, = courses=20 on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even=20 attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be = long=20 and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of = both=20 children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, = the=20 rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the = overwhelming=20 amount of scootola that will be garnished with monster cd sales, the = funds=20 collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows = created by=20 our world traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the = "STUDIO" that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops = and=20 beeps, the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit = down!".....families=20 could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in = hoodies!.....all made=20 from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking=20 actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND = COFFEE,=20 oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m

"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS=20 WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes=20 = at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com




**************
Make your = life easier=20 with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it = now.=20 = (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3D= emlcntaolcom00000010)=20



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------=_NextPart_000_0300_01C95C73.FB592E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:13:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319D23BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=dApMHq/P1Pp5LS829psoTMSwRAZmVhrhfPkpY28JNHM=; b=v3zU53RMmoQgLxwdwELnjKjNezvRCKZkPF1BuSNRJVB3pvcWuhOyn2uf7/lzGcBK3p qHOywt0JCe5zLQhmRm3QWQQt4v3LUPy+RsBylF6J7JHOh5Jt1kHxIjcK0NebnxxQYiyJ ufFXy3KrwD6DXUNM6wc6pFIEz+UBIdxnIRg3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XlriI2dYAe4i3O9aw36STGP+OeG0qG8H4KJgBzj+UDvWS0WE4pN04oZj5rcc5/dO0D J8sEnVTxMsB+aZv0ZQnSBuHFWUW+8Rb5nh8aDZfM4CuyRcwP1AAebxU46dVIDA5JVs7n Jrv8iSZ9s+79Sn5at8BvKFONlsFc4J2ngIsH8= Message-ID: <71eda9170812120713w3c94827cpa8a1c80757f4e796@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:13:31 +0100 From: "Giovanni De Sisto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It does notwork! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Buzap, I've not yet updated my rc-50... I'm so disappointed too! My questions are: why, when i use "immediate" mode to change patch there is not delay time? why the boss's engineers does not implemented the firmware for "end loop mode" similar to "immediate" mode (that must wait the phrase ending)? I'd think about using a midi sequencer to sinc recording/plaing & patch switching in immediate mode... but i think it does not work well due to the bad midi sinc implementation... I'm still waiting a patch for fix this terrible bug... even boss sell a pedal with 99 patch... you can use just 3 for time on stage... Buzap, you wrote about using a rc-20xl between: how? Thank you for reply! Giovanni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:13:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3592A3BEC9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:13:34 EST Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5c.401bc5fe.3673d99e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: <2ha0DC.A.Rx.g-nQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:13:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c5c.401bc5fe.3673d99e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have done this when allowed.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --part1_c5c.401bc5fe.3673d99e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have done this when allowed.....:)m
"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
Make your life easier with all your=20= friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c5c.401bc5fe.3673d99e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 15:40:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDBD43BE99; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:40:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:40:18 +0000 (UTC) My favorite part is the "robes with built in hoodies" and the part =20 about "oceans of coffee." I'm in. Can I paint "icons"? Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when =20= it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." =97 Anne =20 Lamott (Traveling Mercies, although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she =20 attributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom") On Dec 12, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com =20 > writes: > > > Please do start a house for live looping in SC :P > > > i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i =20= > was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had =20 > spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking =20= > about the joys of community living and how we both missed this way of =20= > life.....i had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something = =20 > that gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for =20 > one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather =20 > than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old =20= > loopers would be reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep =20= > the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walker =20= > and i being in charge of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an =20= > essential of happy food prep.....daily musical services, courses on =20= > LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even =20 > attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be = =20 > long and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles =20= > of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and =20= > indeed, the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh =20 > my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be garnished =20 > with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP =20= > CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world traveling =20 > missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would = =20 > be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, the mind = =20 > boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could =20= > visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all made = =20 > from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking =20 > actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND = =20 > COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites = =20 > in one place. Try it now. =20 > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-=20 > dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000010)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 16:16:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9E53BE8F; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49428E6B.6040406@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:16:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:16:50 +0000 (UTC) If a duo can be called an ensemble, Jim Goodin and I have our Chinapainting thing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd >> like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 16:39:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6713BE99; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081212113900.7OTR0.1328613.root@mp18> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 8:39:00 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT "BAND CAMP" AS A MUSIC HOSTING SERVICE? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know anything about it? They've only been in business a few months and already have over a thousand= bands signed up. Seattle frettless guitar looper Tom Baker and SoCal singer/songweriter Glen= Phillips are both on it (for folks I sortta know). Anybody here have any thoughts? Best regards, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 17:09:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8543BEAF; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1733 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:09:20 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=x03oXMAg0PlzmlbXhoQBOaiNL9xu9eCbodYijkPWaBM=; b=KN9jekRD0nijLtKcrrE37kU3A4Hgtx3zDnpXpQBRdQ76Gkh5wCcgStFJZQFxexiL1k mNxsffg8RNRcfZvvNUanf3Iarkw5NTf2oIeOFdzo5YLhd4BB0JzdHzprlUueZJTUxx0N AR5LfJf7TLVYoXd31RS3vM29adLPFASLROy2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=whsQNYpwULBD1BQv7vRUlx1rs/aAO77LPzwgMRor8BN/vaxu7k9FuIS3aM3b39NgQo QUk/4XRdp0uSV7BFibpPZklwNKJub4rki7LnqnyBQWusM3dVA16D5DIxEagTlMfUxrZS GvWrvTmh8LrIiFXtMPcCt+68x21LxKMXQkZZw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:21 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: <49428E6B.6040406@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7553_19134135.1229099781077" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <49428E6B.6040406@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7553_19134135.1229099781077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks! I'll forward a question sheet to each of you at the beginning of next week. :o) Ricky Just recorded my first duo improvisation with another looper and planning another round soon, this time with a trio. would have been a great tragedy writing a paper on livelooping without handing in some good solid looping along with it. Gets pretty wild with another player adding loops ( had a go at grabbing his loops and doubling his looped loops back into the room to mess with the room frequencies ala alvin lucier.....im addicted. :) Interested in the Q's and A's. Byron On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > If a duo can be called an ensemble, Jim Goodin and I have our Chinapainting > thing. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > Hello Everyone, >>> >>> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >>> I'd >>> like to ask you a few questions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ricky >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------=_Part_7553_19134135.1229099781077 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks! I'll forward a question sheet to each of you at the beginning of next week. :o)


Ricky


Just recorded my first duo improvisation with another looper and planning another round soon, this time with a trio. would have been a great tragedy writing a paper on livelooping without handing in some good solid looping along with it. Gets pretty wild with another player adding loops ( had a go at grabbing his loops and doubling his looped loops back into the room to mess with the room frequencies ala alvin lucier.....im addicted. :)

Interested in the Q's and A's.

Byron



On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
If a duo can be called an ensemble, Jim Goodin and I have our Chinapainting thing.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com


Hello Everyone,

How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd
like to ask you a few questions.

Cheers,

Ricky

   



 


------=_Part_7553_19134135.1229099781077-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 17:34:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F1A3BEB9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 82551 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:34:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xSh5j/7bQ8iYeIDuJ5DYRwHNAvpLP/RqEGh2GYpGU9U=; b=br/lz5DqvN+pgor+bs0cLHqVUc4XCF53AnH6mJ9uGJKj3fcRrcgLZpaPqE+9Q9QDvR hJj2s8zUCuLvUpIXx2XT7DM+25envBwnFoAioY53X+epgemWz2R4sNsRBYTSu1x0sArO LLHEoVWavOalpvyErNh9KiP3c8+R2f5ctgAz0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qbs1Uw2HoS2RjWZsW0AGN1T8vrAtLSxarsIrZn+onojPPbL4tCzvXQwyqSU06c95i/ L3vZe8+TEID8I5KMBN2asWVzjcsuCmVpdD32MAR2fEABXu4N8MfiXlx5kCCHVV/09ndh VozTzPlqIp9K4nZHzzQnAfUXK1FNHzQPlVvAk= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:30:45 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <0rKmdB.A.ErE.4CqQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Nick, have you tried the typical "distributed system diagnostic route"? Connect something else (another line level sound source) to the inputs of the Firebox you're using, instead of the KP3, and see how it works. Connect your KP3's outputs to something else (like your mains), and see how it works. Exchange the KP3->Firebox cable with a "known good" one (like the one you're using to go from the Firebox to the KP3), and see how it works. Connect the KP3 to inputs 1+2 of the Firebox (do they work with another source?) and see how it works. If all of these work ok, report back ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:21:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 194393BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=QKOrM3do2vsGGiY5BiNhJFAoc90WBVdFbYRTtWOx74A=; b=T5XRY5wKOuqIG2PrVXz4Wrd5X0r+NCr/fFhzClHqRbxMGSV9NR4dGmw2EvqBaMfmrZ HbrXbM+q+u7bktZAcXynxdukiZVDlR8zCG597YTWq6PwPRbPoEso5FkPvHi7qYdAavQs qzNR4OOq3uzlpAZps+d9Z9WQyZSZWKav77NGM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=K+BA8qcq1AXxq5pWQRmjXw9xVOWAwHUxmi6gSOuEdtHlJdaEdRKg73Tyq0QoENn208 74qOqgzUABkBFr4Q8blMP4D8PQq6mjN+6TDAZ4TR6R5t7uQ7vMFFfERdFNE/t16uqkmU 6q0LyMqI2oP04Y8xsl3RhjkI0cVheG2+8NTVk= Message-ID: <4759e5740812121021w668d0a0cg3db2ad9023dec1a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:21:06 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LiveLooping on vinyl: Amy X. Neuberg in New York Saturday Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130691_25227834.1229106066157" Resent-Message-ID: <64x_BC.A.MyF.TuqQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_130691_25227834.1229106066157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To all my friends on the list... I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in Brooklyn last night, and truth is, I'll be out of town by Saturday night, so I have to miss Amy's show at Roulette! So I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an Amy X colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her latest work with the Cello Chixtet). BUT The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on a little secret. She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, put it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage live-looping on Vinyl. I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all know. Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all about it! ==================== Amy X Neuburg, voice and live electronics "Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies" Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM ROULETTE 20 Greene St. (between Canal & Grand) Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242 Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10 Venue info at http://www.roulette.org Advance reservations recommended. "Also of late I've gotten mixed up with these crazy European dudes who work with circuit-bending and homemade electronics. So as part of the Roulette show I'll be introducing my latest work-in-development "The Dude Trilogy" for voice and Blippoo Box -- a very cute analog synth created for me by Dutch instrument designer Rob Hordijk and operated using hand motions and a Theremin-like antenna. Also your own local anti-folk hero and discarded-technology geek Steve Espinola will join me for an experiment in live looping using archaic recording gadgets. And the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few things you may not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to play -- great acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say hello. Love and xx -- a" ------=_Part_130691_25227834.1229106066157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To all my friends on the list... 

I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in Brooklyn last night, and truth is, I'll be out of town by Saturday night, so I have to miss Amy's show at Roulette!

So I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an Amy X colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her latest work with the Cello Chixtet). BUT

The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on a little secret.  She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, put it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage live-looping on Vinyl. 

I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all know.  Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all about it!

====================
Amy X Neuburg, voice and live electronics
"Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies"

Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM
ROULETTE
20 Greene St. (between Canal & Grand)
Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242
Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10
Venue info at http://www.roulette.org

Advance reservations recommended.




"Also of late I've gotten mixed up with these crazy European dudes who work with circuit-bending and homemade electronics. So as part of the Roulette show I'll be introducing my latest work-in-development "The Dude Trilogy" for voice and Blippoo Box -- a very cute analog synth created for me by Dutch instrument designer Rob Hordijk and operated using hand motions and a Theremin-like antenna.

Also your own local anti-folk hero and discarded-technology geek Steve Espinola will join me for an experiment in live looping using archaic recording gadgets.

And the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few things you may not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to play -- great acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say hello.

Love and xx -- a"
------=_Part_130691_25227834.1229106066157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6DBB3BE8A; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=k23++iNT41VIPREdsSFxtmXIJw0EzVwDo2UPU1t0uCc=; b=YsMUx8XLx8s6EL+aQXD/EEImJwwEpQva9wrym4/OyGNUnYUA0ew7U4b2NjSMUFytfJ 1jMw8jW1kTtv+OKds/3y/wPJC+sHgWVM6n+pMgBo1ix3xefXvfxysemMGCjeFTRIkkSZ 9E0fyYBxZdg+qO+hbW34a9GnqLermTkMFasbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=o9aZA2Mp63OSFTYlzD/EOoo5/iCoq45TykaIXyaIWtoKjygQQ3ErFiJW2DqlYV+hKz lATHvf2qttvwWyKP9SrHzwBLufZ/tJ1xjMinGFHR0vFEpmhOOpxMuNQX3PdaYmtApNec XTWaAU7aGrbF8VHE8qPrnH+RcjfSpCt+mMsTc= Message-ID: <4759e5740812121024hd2a38f6q7d141c4f3b44ef4a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:24:11 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" To: loopers-delight Subject: LiveLooping on Vinyl :: Amy X Neuberg on Saturday night @ Roulette, NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130738_1572283.1229106251285" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_130738_1572283.1229106251285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline To all my list friends... I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in Brooklyn las= t night. We exhausted a few beers and a lot of conversation, including some about Amy's upcoming show. Truth is, I'll be out of town by Saturday night, so I have to miss Amy's show at Roulette! So I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an Amy X colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her latest work with the Cello Chixtet). BUT The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on a little secret. She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, put it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage live-looping on Vinyl. I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all know. Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all about it! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amy X Neuburg, voice and live electronics "Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies" Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM ROULETTE 20 Greene St. (between Canal & Grand) Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242 Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10 Venue info at http://www.roulette.org Advance reservations recommended. "Also of late I've gotten mixed up with these crazy European dudes who work with circuit-bending and homemade electronics. So as part of the Roulette show I'll be introducing my latest work-in-development "The Dude Trilogy" for voice and Blippoo Box -- a very cute analog synth created for me by Dutch instrument designer Rob Hordijk and operated using hand motions and a Theremin-like antenna. Also your own local anti-folk hero and discarded-technology geek Steve Espinola will join me for an experiment in live looping using archaic recording gadgets. And the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few things you may not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to play -- great acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say hello. Love and xx -- a" --=20 =95 In New York now, Dec. 1st through the 5th, planning and scheming. =95 With Guy Klusevcek at The Japan Society on Dec. 12th =95 in California, Dec. 14th-26th ------=_Part_130738_1572283.1229106251285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline To all my list= friends...


I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in Brookly= n last night.  We exhausted a few beers and a lot of conversation, inc= luding some about Amy's upcoming show. Truth is, I'll be out of tow= n by Saturday night, so I have to miss Amy's show at Roulette!

S= o I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an Amy= X colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her latest= work with the Cello Chixtet). BUT

T= he REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on a= little secret.  She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, put it on= a second victrola and actually do a little vintage live-looping on Vinyl.&= nbsp;

I= thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all know.=  Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all about it= !

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Amy X = Neuburg, voice and live electronics
"Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies"
Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM
ROULETTE
20 Greene St. (between Ca= nal & Grand)
Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242
Admission $15 /= Students & seniors $10
Venue info at 
http://www.roulette.org

Advance reservations recommended.




"Also of late= I've gotten mixed up with these crazy European dudes who work with cir= cuit-bending and homemade electronics. So as part of the Roulette show I= 9;ll be introducing my latest work-in-development "The Dude Trilogy&qu= ot; for voice and Blippoo Box -- a very cute analog synth created for me by= Dutch instrument designer Rob Hordijk and operated using hand motions and = a Theremin-like antenna.

Also your own local anti-folk hero and dis= carded-technology geek Steve Espinola will join me for an experiment in liv= e looping using archaic recording gadgets.

And the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few thi= ngs you may not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to play -= - great acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say hello.
Love and xx -- a"

--
=95 In New York now, Dec.= 1st through the 5th, planning and scheming.

=95 With Guy Klusevcek= at The Japan Society on Dec. 12th

=95 in California, Dec. 14th-26th

------=_Part_130738_1572283.1229106251285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8CC3BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C66BDE6FAA7496C9F0D2F2AAB127591@pcfabio> From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <4759e5740812121021w668d0a0cg3db2ad9023dec1a3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: LiveLooping on vinyl: Amy X. Neuberg in New York Saturday Night Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:28:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_043B_01C95C8F.CBA9C770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp7.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:28:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_043B_01C95C8F.CBA9C770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It sounds interesting. Kind a DJ-looping ? And the "Blippoo Box" remaind = me some Laurie Anderson's experiments. It would be nice to see that show... Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: LiveLooping on vinyl: Amy X. Neuberg in New York Saturday = Night To all my friends on the list... =20 I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in = Brooklyn last night, and truth is, I'll be out of town by Saturday = night, so I have to miss Amy's show at Roulette! So I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an Amy X = colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her latest = work with the Cello Chixtet). BUT The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on = a little secret. She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, = put it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage = live-looping on Vinyl.=20 I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all = know. Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all about = it! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amy X Neuburg, voice and live electronics "Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies" Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM ROULETTE 20 Greene St. (between Canal & Grand) Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242 Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10 Venue info at http://www.roulette.org Advance reservations recommended. "Also of late I've gotten mixed up with these crazy European dudes who = work with circuit-bending and homemade electronics. So as part of the = Roulette show I'll be introducing my latest work-in-development "The = Dude Trilogy" for voice and Blippoo Box -- a very cute analog synth = created for me by Dutch instrument designer Rob Hordijk and operated = using hand motions and a Theremin-like antenna. Also your own local anti-folk hero and discarded-technology geek Steve = Espinola will join me for an experiment in live looping using archaic = recording gadgets. And the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few = things you may not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to = play -- great acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say = hello. Love and xx -- a" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: = 12/12/2008 9.02 ------=_NextPart_000_043B_01C95C8F.CBA9C770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It sounds = interesting. Kind a=20 DJ-looping ? And = the=20 "Blippoo Box" remaind me some Laurie Anderson's = experiments.
It would be nice to see = that=20 show...
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
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From:=20 todd = reynolds=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 = 7:21=20 PM
Subject: LiveLooping on vinyl: = Amy X.=20 Neuberg in New York Saturday Night

To all my friends on the list... =20

I had dinner with my friends Amy X Neuberg and Joshua Fried in = Brooklyn=20 last night, and truth is, I'll be out of town by Saturday night, so I = have to=20 miss Amy's show at Roulette!

So I thought I'd ask you guys to go in my stead. I'm not only an = Amy X=20 colleague, but an Amy X Fan... (and you should see on youtube her = latest work=20 with the Cello Chixtet). BUT

The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me = in on a=20 little secret.  She's going to actually make a vinyl record = onstage, put=20 it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage live-looping = on=20 Vinyl. 

I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you = all know.=20  Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all = about=20 it!

=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Amy X Neuburg,=20 voice and live electronics
"Old songs, new songs, and new = approaches to old=20 technologies"

Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM
ROULETTE
20 = Greene=20 St. (between Canal & Grand)
Reservations/tickets: (212)=20 219-8242
Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10
Venue info=20 at http://www.roulette.org

Advance = reservations=20 recommended.




"Also of late I've gotten mixed up = with these=20 crazy European dudes who work with circuit-bending and homemade = electronics.=20 So as part of the Roulette show I'll be introducing my latest=20 work-in-development "The Dude Trilogy" for voice and Blippoo Box -- a = very=20 cute analog synth created for me by Dutch instrument designer Rob = Hordijk and=20 operated using hand motions and a Theremin-like antenna.

Also your own = local anti-folk=20 hero and discarded-technology geek Steve Espinola will join me for an=20 experiment in live looping using archaic recording = gadgets.

And=20 the rest of the show will consist of my solo classics and a few things = you may=20 not have heard. Roulette is one of my favorite places to play -- great = acoustics and always a nice crowd. Please come by and say = hello.

Love=20 and xx -- a"



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------=_NextPart_000_043B_01C95C8F.CBA9C770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:29:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5863BEA4; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4942AD82.1060202@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:29:22 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LiveLooping on vinyl: Amy X. Neuberg in New York Saturday Night References: <4759e5740812121021w668d0a0cg3db2ad9023dec1a3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4759e5740812121021w668d0a0cg3db2ad9023dec1a3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:29:26 +0000 (UTC) She's gonna have a lathe onstage?? OMG! I love her work, DAMN I wish I could go. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > The REAL reason I'm writing to the WHOLE list is that Amy let me in on > a little secret. She's going to actually make a vinyl record onstage, > put it on a second victrola and actually do a little vintage > live-looping on Vinyl. > > I thought that I shouldn't let the opportunity pass to let you all > know. Details below, I wish you well.. And if you go, tell us all > about it! > > ==================== > Amy X Neuburg, voice and live electronics > "Old songs, new songs, and new approaches to old technologies" > > Saturday December 13, 8:30 PM > ROULETTE > 20 Greene St. (between Canal & Grand) > Reservations/tickets: (212) 219-8242 > Admission $15 / Students & seniors $10 > Venue info at http://www.roulette.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:47:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4643BE93; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:46:59 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_104d45f3-0c80-4bf7-a3ea-2a4f21c90c7a_" X-Originating-IP: [170.104.174.208] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:41:58 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 18:41:58.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[50899A80:01C95C89] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:47:00 +0000 (UTC) --_104d45f3-0c80-4bf7-a3ea-2a4f21c90c7a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried several times to bring my "looping act" to the zen center wher= e I practice. My Buddha buddies see amps and strats and stomp boxes and fre= ak out. I wish I could get them to see just how zen and meditational loopin= g is.=20 Samadhi for everyone! And coffee. And green tea.... =20 J.D. 'Onryu' Devros deafrose58illian@charter.net> Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 I= nternational Live Looping Festival> Date: Fri=2C 12 Dec 2008 07:40:12 -0800= > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > My favorite part is the "robes= with built in hoodies" and the part > about "oceans of coffee."> > I'm in.= > > Can I paint "icons"?> > Best regards=2C> > tEd =AE KiLLiAn> > http://ww= w.myspace.com/tedkillian> http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian> http://ww= w.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian> http://w= ww.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsVie= w.aspx?ProductID=3D193> http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-= live/Jun-07/27768> > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Appl= e iTunes> > "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own imag= e when > it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." =97 Anne = > Lamott (Traveling Mercies=2C although on page 22 of Bird by Bird she > at= tributes this quote to "my priest friend Tom")> > On Dec 12=2C 2008=2C at 6= :59 AM=2C Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:> > >> > In a message dated 12/11/08 10:1= 8:16 PM=2C ParadoxQuine@gmail.com > > writes:> >> >> > Please do start a ho= use for live looping in SC :P> >> >> > i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "= ANATHAM"=2C very enjoyable=2C and i > > was just visited by a dear old frie= nd from the way back.....we had > > spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE m= onastery.....we were speaking > > about the joys of community living and ho= w we both missed this way of > > life.....i had mentioned to mickey that th= e LD community was something > > that gave me a sense of the "good ol days"= =2C one for all=2C all for > > one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts= made me think=2C rather > > than a home for old loopers=2C we could start = a LOOPASTERY=2C where old > > loopers would be reveared and young loopers w= ould raise food and keep > > the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye=2C = i see=2C billy bob walker > > and i being in charge of the kitchen because = we "clean as we go" an > > essential of happy food prep.....daily musical s= ervices=2C courses on > > LOOPOLOGY=2C trying to mend the lappy/hardware sc= hism=2C verily=2C even > > attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide= .....our work would be > > long and hard but the rewards of seeing the brig= ht unbelieving smiles > > of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing th= eir first LOOPS and > > indeed=2C the rapture of creating their very first = LOOP.....oh > > my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be ga= rnished > > with monster cd sales=2C the funds collected at the NEVER ENDIN= G LOOP > > CHAPEL=2C the festivals and shows created by our world traveling= > > missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would= > > be created.....so many blinky lites=2C so many boops and beeps=2C the = mind > > boogles.....no more=2C "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families co= uld > > visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all m= ade > > from "bucky tube" fiber=2C of course=2C so that we can all be walki= ng > > actualizations=2C both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE....= .AND > > COFFEE=2C oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m> >> > "EVERYTHING YO= U KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater> >> > new groovy tunes at:> > http://= www.myspace.com/klobuchar10> > www.ct-collective.com> >> >> >> >> >> > ****= **********> > Make your life easier with all your friends=2C email=2C and f= avorite sites > > in one place. Try it now. > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin= =3Dnew- > > dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000010) _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_spee= d_122008= --_104d45f3-0c80-4bf7-a3ea-2a4f21c90c7a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried several times to bring my "looping act" to the zen center wher= e I practice. My Buddha buddies see amps and strats and stomp boxes and fre= ak out. I wish I could get them to see just how zen and meditational loopin= g is.
Samadhi for everyone! And coffee. And green tea....
 =3B
J.D. 'Onryu' Devros
deafrose58

illian@charter.net
>=3B Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ s= ite of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival
>=3B Date: Fri=2C = 12 Dec 2008 07:40:12 -0800
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m
>=3B
>=3B My favorite part is the "robes with built in hoodies= " and the part
>=3B about "oceans of coffee."
>=3B
>=3B I'= m in.
>=3B
>=3B Can I paint "icons"?
>=3B
>=3B Best r= egards=2C
>=3B
>=3B tEd =AE KiLLiAn
>=3B
>=3B http://= www.myspace.com/tedkillian
>=3B http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian=
>=3B http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
>=3B http://www.CDbab= y.com/cd/tedkillian
>=3B http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
&g= t=3B http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
&g= t=3B http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768>=3B
>=3B Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple= iTunes
>=3B
>=3B "You can safely assume that you've created God= in your own image when
>=3B it turns out that God hates all the same= people you do." =97 Anne
>=3B Lamott (Traveling Mercies=2C although = on page 22 of Bird by Bird she
>=3B attributes this quote to "my prie= st friend Tom")
>=3B
>=3B On Dec 12=2C 2008=2C at 6:59 AM=2C Nem= oguitt@aol.com wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B In a mes= sage dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM=2C ParadoxQuine@gmail.com
>=3B >=3B= writes:
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Please do start= a house for live looping in SC :P
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM"=2C very enjoyable= =2C and i
>=3B >=3B was just visited by a dear old friend from the = way back.....we had
>=3B >=3B spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE= monastery.....we were speaking
>=3B >=3B about the joys of communi= ty living and how we both missed this way of
>=3B >=3B life.....i h= ad mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something
>=3B >= =3B that gave me a sense of the "good ol days"=2C one for all=2C all for >=3B >=3B one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think= =2C rather
>=3B >=3B than a home for old loopers=2C we could start = a LOOPASTERY=2C where old
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Get your Hotmail=AE account. = --_104d45f3-0c80-4bf7-a3ea-2a4f21c90c7a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 18:48:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2747E3BEB9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7ayPpjGLcERUELNzqOaRHSDMCcPX1J+ks/vnk7KALmw=; b=C8n6BvHA1w9ZGL6x6hcKhQLxI0bPzLWMqbp9b430535YDRpGw7rS6ksIRCo9zSi08v Qa28gj6e22kiTFkbk4835EMG1AEMpmHLVanxJ2WdYnfCi8/+ty+B9wYq44W8nUiQLfPG spaNqMFzBPTY7WkzvH6arH48fkEvSq+HZXR1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eDOD36eJq5U9/m3o+yJ3vq4r8FY1NKSEN0W0CH/IMvKcfQKqiTVBg7gJbSs9Mcoyrn wJAveRoilcXilUZfi4mTuxaj6IOf1G4UIX2Na1q55jWST7UVmj53/z8qvFo65OlAbkU2 5CAY+gts5lkVuGlrdNJqolECN0RQtDe4/alfM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:48:04 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:48:06 +0000 (UTC) is there an estimated date for this event? -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 20:35:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D193BE92; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IMbSy98uHbi5eia0HZITmoz0iHOiGs0qJXz8uY248YoYwuTwtsPogLWaeESmg5b9g1LcMWsxTQilaoiVHvXng6CEXGw0/1k+Cgh4kmH3RHyGFa8e7s3rJqSOkEuUFFrBNl9DaXUiKlUx09rC6UMQpTaMbaFnQ8iAyNMgqi7YNWA=; X-YMail-OSG: CWrydM8VM1n2hZgPQoQL37Wl4J9m_ME30flWyyWOL87Fg1NGw62Te4qdQVXkRKhr3QjAgk2AXWExn9K_X.uVYhhjEnrOKIICNLO1Nhb4wiAPh8zCetU_b401jbCyIG6v9AtvS44qP9DlpqOlZgEdVR8iBxg5ZaR5RSg322Zz6AgOt8VJ_4DqI746Y89v X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Reply-To: vsyevolod@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081212182413.2A3A43BEA6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <208050.26981.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Ricky, I do live improvisatory keyboard work with another keyboardist. Another project with a wind controllerist/thereminist. Sometimes all three of us get together for wild-assed looping times. Stephen How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 21:27:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FE103BE93; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081212162746.YELGA.1350931.root@mp12> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:27:46 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-M3l6D.A.PSD.TdtQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:27:47 +0000 (UTC) I know this thread spent itself out some days ago now. But I thought I'd share this quote anyway. I found it on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed under = his "favorite quotes." And the originator is (of all unlikely people) Calvin Coolidge. Here goes . . . Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; no= thing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; un= rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full = of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The sl= ogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human = race. - Calvin Coolidge Press on . . . I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the category of f= olks who have depended on the former rather than the later too often in lif= e, and positively galling (personally) to think that my son has seen this (= in me) and recognized it as a failure as well. Oh well . . . press on anyway. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 21:30:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B425C3BE99; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:30:47 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Eg0BlKn4+VPxK+DQqwiWhetggwXztOFrNjcCNM0FmkI=; b=T/eOAgtZdiywrSMRNEByPGJSL1+NgTYrmcbEmfQ41xbrb8hshnJqz+DUIX/F5v2BN0 XBfpjDvbUDeaptJ2XDpFmlKUb6pBvL5Kzeat9bfCSi3mqZA3NM6ZRlAuwVAixhgcAVX3 VTvSdEKOWgljILgHDEsk/Xu6yyizFzIiLhOec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=SGAKXA0GXeYkhiTF01/V0TQxgPfcwy8nKGY0f+XJMFBHjL8aNyOi1aDfQnZ6z1fnnX I2YtTNQInaJFEj+IToxjUAJLtz1Ccj7GJb9J1FpbJBNmX1og/wpWYo9mrUzvgv5T6JPc EfRd16yvYAgM9iG9UCfgO3CxXMWS1nwYRGbPw= Message-ID: <4C8154F1E8C343CE9B3397817D7B5969@PCvansimon> From: "projektGmail" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:24:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Resent-Message-ID: <-yaZ4B.A.SjD.HgtQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ricky, Projekt67 is a two member band, we are are using three echoplex units. Two for me (stereo) and one for Erna (voice). We are looping most of the time. Simon www.projekt67.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricky Graham" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:24 PM To: Subject: Live Looping in an ensemble context > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as > I'd like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 21:37:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1CC3BE98; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3316 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:37 UTC X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C95C9A.353A0131" Subject: RE: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:19 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12BD992308224427A473D379CB8DC72A@pcfabio> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Thread-Index: AclcmiBVPzGIYuGmQTuON4qNAgb1AQ== From: "Fink, Jason E." To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 20:42:54.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[35554730:01C95C9A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95C9A.353A0131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 hmmmm, I seem to remember my first loops we not really so rapturous. =20 =20 Maybe that was because it was in a garage, and not in the Loopastery under the proper tutelage? =20 -jas Albuquerque =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival =09 =20 =09 the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!..... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95C9A.353A0131 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
hmmmm, I seem to=20 remember my first loops we not reall= y so rapturous.  
 
Maybe that was because i= t was in a garage, and not in the Loopastery under the proper=20 tutelage?
 
-jas<= /DIV>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C95C9A.353A0131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 21:50:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F7693BE9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1229118652; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Zfq1Krynq7sKKI6RkTqASLa4qvg=; b=G9H14CaqMSnyN/v6Sbqx5d1QCPBvqfEupiFOLRE+SuInFw9lD29rqIeB2ksNOffq hzD74phYZgVpzx0K2iY5gbU/TA+L4gJN35sjFzOZBR3atPdfvc2hQyFkpg49S5I/; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pUCEBHE1pqYA:10 a=KWSxR8F6x74A:10 a=KKr2aLjzAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=so97WL1OccR3ZaUY7NQA:9 a=72XWFfT2rJX6Ghie1Z0A:7 a=qhXHmUEcJwMjDQZHZVLyDm0cnWoA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <009201c95ca3$bc45b780$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081212162746.YELGA.1350931.root@mp12> Subject: Re: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:50:53 +0000 (UTC) >You said "I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the >category of folks who have depended on the former rather >than the later >too often in life" Guilty of same Ted, however just remember another quote, this one by Yogi Berra "it ain't over till it's over" "keep on keeping on", http://tiny.cc/OVdJB J ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" I know this thread spent itself out some days ago now. But I thought I'd share this quote anyway. I found it on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed under his "favorite quotes." And the originator is (of all unlikely people) Calvin Coolidge. Here goes . . . Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. - Calvin Coolidge Press on . . . I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the category of folks who have depended on the former rather than the later too often in life, and positively galling (personally) to think that my son has seen this (in me) and recognized it as a failure as well. Oh well . . . press on anyway. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them. – Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 9:02 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 21:59:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516323BE98; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LOOPASTERY was OT Santa Cruz site of y2k9..... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:57:49 -0800 Message-Id: <20081212215332.M83685@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081212150919.D2B393BEAF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081212150919.D2B393BEAF@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Michael Klobuchar wrote: "i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an essential of happy food prep.....daily musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be long and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be garnished with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m" 1st off: Michael you are a wonderful, demented genius.............I just loved this post. And it made me think that perhaps I should be installed in the Loopastery Rectory trying, over and over and over to teach the Rhythm Intensive to rhythmically challenged new bies and old-bies, fueled by the oceans and oceans of coffee........... Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 22:20:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0EBC3BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:20:34 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----_SmarterMail_NextPart_2574045801232031 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:05:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context From: "aaronleese@flyloops.com" Reply-To: aaronleese@flyloops.com To: CC: Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <7U-bEC.A.QAG.yOuQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:20:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_2574045801232031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A=0D=0AI do that as well ..... and now I am curious whats on this ques= tion sheet .....=0D=0A=0D=0A----------------------------------------=0D=0AF= rom: "Byron Howell" =0D=0ASent: Friday, December 12= , 2008 8:09 AM=0D=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D=0ASubject: R= e: Live Looping in an ensemble context =0D=0A=0D=0AThanks! I'll forward a q= uestion sheet to each of you at the beginning of next week. :o)=0D=0A=0D=0A= Ricky=0D=0A=0D=0AJust recorded my first duo improvisation with another loop= er and planning another round soon, this time with a trio. would have been = a great tragedy writing a paper on livelooping without handing in some good= solid looping along with it. Gets pretty wild with another player adding l= oops ( had a go at grabbing his loops and doubling his looped loops back in= to the room to mess with the room frequencies ala alvin lucier.....im addic= ted. :)=0D=0A=0D=0AInterested in the Q's and A's.=0D=0AByron=0D=0A=0D=0AOn = Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:=0D= =0A=0D=0AIf a duo can be called an ensemble, Jim Goodin and I have our Chin= apainting thing.=0D=0A=0D=0ADaryl Shawn=0D=0A=0D=0Awww.swanwelder.com=0D=0A= =0D=0Awww.chinapaintingmusic.com =0D=0A=0D=0AHello Everyone,=0D=0A=0D=0AHow= many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as I'd= =0D=0A=0D=0Alike to ask you a few questions.=0D=0A=0D=0ACheers,=0D=0A=0D=0A= Ricky=0D=0A=0D=0A =0D=0A=0D=0A =0D=0A=0D=0A ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_2574045801232031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do that as well ..... and now I am curious whats on this question= sheet .....




From= : "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
Sent: F= riday, December 12, 2008 8:09 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensem= ble context


Thanks! I'll forward a question sheet to each of you a= t the beginning of next week. :o)


Ricky


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Interested in the Q's and A's.
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com&g= t; wrote:
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------_SmarterMail_NextPart_2574045801232031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 22:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD2EA3BE94; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=U0l8rhTUF1N8b0aUowOAhDsjdJriY7LzZVeoulBj79M=; b=dLBEW0AwUPnmtyU71p8uu8GXSXY7/+l/+ldvmVgrxmguELp9qeqKGe0gtsQgEWI1Kb C5/Tlyzwf/fGofigxnOxLXCC5MtMw1WmewvQyHm/vg3cmc0J7HK+sSrHVOwUKLa5Qr5j NWcH+vaVzj/wE7r6BJDrI1lte0YV4vZZ4zt1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gQSd68+7AcQl5ZABy0AeuzoVxE+oqgh9bByPGhR8omSWQkygcCGCKbnxhOCZciFAkH P2T9k8Ph7Up+RWPfmMYTNjZXllHunxwKHXVBm5ZywWToyZoHyCyp+5Z43pUAvbxx6aLj vBKLeNQcK2oY/QxAW0mSrBuvM0e/xAJLwXJbc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:42:23 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 530077319929ec99 Resent-Message-ID: <-Oin9.A.pDH.QjuQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, thanks for the advice. it seems the problem occurs somewhere between the input into the firebox and ableton live reading the input. as that is the only program I have that lets me choose the input channels, im not sure how to determine if the issue is hardware or software. also, I reinstalled the firmware on the firebox and restarted my imac and no change. actually, I just tested the firebox connected to my macbook pro with a fresh install of ableton and a mic plugged in to input line 3 (where the pad previously was) and it's still at about 10% input volume. Unless there's a control for the input volume on the firebox (which I don't see for the line ins) should I assume the box's inputs are broken all of a sudden? is there any way for me to test to see if the box's hardware is broken for sure, other than the deductive logic I just used to conclude that? Thanks, Nick On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Nick, > > have you tried the typical "distributed system diagnostic route"? > > Connect something else (another line level sound source) to the inputs > of the Firebox you're using, instead of the KP3, and see how it works. > > Connect your KP3's outputs to something else (like your mains), and > see how it works. > Exchange the KP3->Firebox cable with a "known good" one (like the one > you're using to go from the Firebox to the KP3), and see how it works. > Connect the KP3 to inputs 1+2 of the Firebox (do they work with > another source?) and see how it works. > > If all of these work ok, report back ;) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 12 23:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAEEE3BE92; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Y2gOnoVcFrTCS8WhzbppwT1DxHXWQkbjODUYmhy8IUg=; b=pRoX9y2BqdcFuMb1FRdDJryElifBqbRF/6zX13D/5n2gqhTdE7qzH7ObEIUIMCBT/K /iAylGSrQ+b2ydZlUmtML7I8VpGghyYPnHEdaj+ehCFrQTuWWgVdPvgnxinNWJd5NuCw DJDv2w5PIvmLfy+sjmRUsfHGoI/hZywNindi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uP0DDLkYJ7ewL+vUIacllbTkOAu0VvBS5livqX7HANjGhE+zDOfveDRu000m1NqeUY kER5GOQj1OnWjBffMb4dpxqD0RHCP75FFkTnbNvjbV9iMhbqhKCVbzDlnp2GsUGPKxmm y2IX1D5Xst4QoCepFYBHG7q60cmoUqIdNi6Zs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AB5EB62-956C-457A-BCDE-D4B5D27E7D89@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:07:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:08:01 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Nick wrote: > should I assume the box's inputs are > broken all of a sudden? > > is there any way for me to test to see if the box's hardware is broken > for sure, other than the deductive logic I just used to conclude that? Have you tried the DSP mixer? It might provide a clue as to what is happening. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 01:21:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D71763BE98; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Xvv9Tgvo2Nk4lFLXtTmrrFpm83Z9uIaViuHoA/Pw5TM=; b=tBIrp0UPUematpTbOkojBegZXSeVix/ctCXWPFngDsSjcm2N1JMzLjWsvojBBdz8U6 1S4YjAlorPVWUV/X6InTMlOe0Zu4eQE9e8R8s4javSgPSTB8RYGkrVm9F1ZeYPFdokcY UJ9wkdy7Z9JguR4CbwqVeEGWW++KI8hCCZIlw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XQVaxLcL4Jga7V1wb9DAqACTAHthHhoarAE4ArvvnAL5/NFAWEdas8v12/0TevvirQ iYjTgd6HyWRUlg15SlSRgRUVBQSsmJGEKvs/x6h86HDWIGkvpsE7T/rtwntlFKjDXRWb sfs7YikFJOKGh7DifBcNsHeQc6uCoRM6XP88E= Message-ID: <3fa302e30812121721p659aa7cel9f52057e91b0f5db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:21:27 -0800 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPASTERY was OT Santa Cruz site of y2k9..... In-Reply-To: <20081212215332.M83685@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15319_16176394.1229131287240" References: <20081212150919.D2B393BEAF@arsenic.violacea.com> <20081212215332.M83685@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:21:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15319_16176394.1229131287240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OMG! I hope I can retire to the Loopastery soon! What an idea and it took KLO to think of it! Cheers to all . . . MnM Michael Klobuchar wrote: "i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was > just visited by a dear > old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years together in a > CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of community living > and how we both missed this way of life.....i had > mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a > sense of the "good ol > days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts > made me think, rather than a > home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would > be reveared . . . ------=_Part_15319_16176394.1229131287240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OMG!  I hope I can retire to the Loopastery soon!  What an idea and it took KLO to think of it!  Cheers to all . . . MnM
 
Michael Klobuchar wrote:

"i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was just visited by a dear
old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had
mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "good ol
days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a
home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be reveared . . .
------=_Part_15319_16176394.1229131287240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 01:47:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85EEC3BE88; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , References: Subject: RE: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:46:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C95C81.A25006E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclcfVt6MDxXaFIRSa+JbU0uPqDQjQAL5QYQ Resent-Message-ID: <_HnJOB.A.6fB.UQxQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:47:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C95C81.A25006E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dude!!!!!!! This is a great idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I I think all it needs is for you to come up with some kind of secret language that we all have to learn that I think you Scoots with your unique theological qualifications, should be in charge of developing. I imagine our missionary vehicle as big bio fuel driven bus with one wall of the buss that drops down draw bridge like to reveal a stage where the looping takes place. Sweet, love the robes with hoodies, Its so trendy. Bill _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com writes: Please do start a house for live looping in SC :P i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, and i was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels clean.....in my minds eye, i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge of the kitchen because we "clean as we go" an essential of happy food prep.....daily musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware schism, verily, even attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our work would be long and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving smiles of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and indeed, the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the overwhelming amount of scootola that will be garnished with monster cd sales, the funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows created by our world traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so many boops and beeps, the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with built in hoodies!.....all made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so that we can all be walking actualizations, both visually and audially of our LOOP ESSENCE.....AND COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C95C81.A25006E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dude!!!!!!! This is a great idea = !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I  

I think all it needs is for you to = come up with some kind of secret language that we all have to learn that I think = you Scoots with your unique theological qualifications,  should be in charge = of developing.  I imagine our missionary vehicle as big bio fuel = driven bus  with one wall of the buss that drops down draw bridge like to reveal a stage = where the looping takes place. Sweet, love the robes with hoodies, Its so = trendy.

Bill

 


From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, December = 12, 2008 7:00 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT SANTA CRUZ site of the Y2K9 = International Live Looping Festival

 


In a message dated 12/11/08 10:18:16 PM, ParadoxQuine@gmail.com = writes:



Please do = start a house for live looping in SC :P



i've been reading NEAL STEVENSON'S "ANATHAM", very enjoyable, = and i was just visited by a dear old friend from the way back.....we had spent = 5 years together in a CARMELITE monastery.....we were speaking about the = joys of community living and how we both missed this way of life.....i had = mentioned to mickey that the LD community was something that gave me a sense of the "good ol days", one for all, all for one!.....so all of these "monastic" thoughts made me think, rather than a home for old loopers, we could start a LOOPASTERY, where old loopers would be = reveared and young loopers would raise food and keep the solar panels clean.....in my = minds eye, i see, billy bob walker and i being in charge of the kitchen = because we "clean as we go" an essential of happy food prep.....daily = musical services, courses on LOOPOLOGY, trying to mend the lappy/hardware = schism, verily, even attempting to bring peace to the PC/APPLE devide.....our = work would be long and hard but the rewards of seeing the bright unbelieving = smiles of both children and crusty ol folk on hearing their first LOOPS and = indeed, the rapture of creating their very first LOOP.....oh my!.....the = overwhelming amount of scootola that will be garnished with monster cd sales, the = funds collected at the NEVER ENDING LOOP CHAPEL, the festivals and shows = created by our world traveling missionaries (LOOPANARIES).....can you imagine the "STUDIO" that would be created.....so many blinky lites, so = many boops and beeps, the mind boogles.....no more, "DAD! turn that shit down!".....families could visit for a fee.....and yes robes! with = built in hoodies!.....all made from "bucky tube" fiber, of course, so = that we can all be walking actualizations, both visually and audially of our = LOOP ESSENCE.....AND COFFEE, oceans and oceans of coffee.....:)m

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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C95C81.A25006E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 02:29:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183F33BE8C; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:29:50 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <71eda9170812120713w3c94827cpa8a1c80757f4e796@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081213022950.37040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <71eda9170812120713w3c94827cpa8a1c80757f4e796@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It does notwork! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1889l1fFXs8cgLCBcBBaMl5WViqbnJhZAvfamNcT5 EXMcfzx1+AyN/SPfk9BUb866aYr1hapyNWTg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: LGR2IRNkZDIrE8cogWc2IMd5emhmY8Ex X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Giovanni > I've not yet updated my rc-50... Well, try the upgrade and see if it solves the problem. > why, when i use "immediate" mode to change patch there is not delay time? Does it really work without delay in immediate mode? That would be surprising. > I'd think about using a midi sequencer to sinc recording/plaing & patch switching in immediate mode... Midi sync as slave is problematic for the RC-50. Try to borrow equipment and test it before you spend a lot of money. > I'm still waiting a patch for fix this terrible bug... Yes it is a terrible bug for some. But I don't think Boss will change anything. The only "workaround" is to use the RC-50 in SINGLE MODE (three single loops in sequence). This works excellent. >you wrote about using a rc-20xl The RC-20XL as an alternative to the RC-50 (if single loop is enough). From what people told me, the Phrase change should work without hiccups on the RC-20. All the best! Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 02:37:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577E43BE8C; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:37:22 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081213023722.37030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX189WHoBqao9UOl9bXQw6B3BqmU0mh1QimTeqeirft sFJhM7Tif3EUBq14ReiRjFGF7kBIjuqGufbg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 0CZ7fEt9bmwoQ9tpkzZLf+dPUzc4chE+ X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC) I guess a lot of people do... What I'd be really interested in: To sync or not to sync... THAT is the question... ;-) Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 04:02:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8AA43BE8F; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <32273AC7-0079-4E63-B50C-043E68C8ABE8@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:02:09 -0500 References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:02:24 +0000 (UTC) I do... in sync, with a click in my ear and the drummers... mostly... except ambient things, that I do sans click Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings, always -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with > me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 04:34:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B0573BE8A; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:33:48 -0300 References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <27FVXD.A.g_.dtzQJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Great subject! I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay machine. Some of the best recordings are on http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, David... The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and figured it out and it worked. And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) I will tell you when I upload it. And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo recordings, with at least two players using loops most of the time? He could not. I met very few Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case since Os does the looping) Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays professionally with a band, but just him looping) Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, but the best is to do it together!! Matthias On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with > me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. > > Cheers, > > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 07:26:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FF83BE88; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Hints for Sync (still about Live Looping in an ensemble context) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:25:24 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Can you believe I have 120 drafts of mails I did not send to Loopers- Delight, since 2001? mostly because I wrote them late, did not finish and the thread was already passed or because I was not sure about my writing and wanted to improve it "when I have more time" or because I was blocked and depressive between 2003 and 2007 So I just searched the drafts for "sync" and found 20, of which I try to finish some the next days. for a start: I wrote this in July 04, mostly about BrotherSync but also interesting for non EDP users: It seems to me that the time for this basic functionality is coming. Many found ways to play well alone. Depending on music and instruments involved, it may be interesting to use loops with non looping musicians, but it tends to unbalance. I feel like driving a car and making a friend run along. And I feel exhausted, when I join a rhythmic loop and cannot sync to it. Its a strong limitation. I can still do some coming and going coloration (reduced FB), or non rhythmic atmosphere, or manually resync when I am obviously off, but I cannot really support my friends rhythm which leaves me sad. [some friends are going to say now: "but its intersting to hear the unsynced loops drift..." Ok, sometimes it is, but not during a whole show, not for a public used to straight rhythms!] So please give me a BrotherSync or at least a MIDI clock when we play, its a lot of fun to groove together! Don't you feel that the loops support you to play solo more relaxedly? Similarely, to play in sync makes you relax about keeping the brothers tempo. But I also observed that its not totally easy! The connection is easy. Also to set the Sync parameter. For EDP BrotherSync, you don't even need to care since its default comes right for that, out of the box. But it takes some practice to make it go smoothly. Just like with most of the other functions. If you go to the sound check with the manual and try for the first time, you may succeed - or feel some confusion at the gig :-) Here some tricks and observations: - Avoid to start out with very long loops, since its hard for the brother to come in and leaves him no freedom to select his loop length as any multiple of your basic rhythm. If I want to start with a long harmonic turn around, I better just play it live until my percussion brother creates the basic loop, so then I can loop my turn as a multiple of it. While this, he layers some instruments so by the time my harmonies are recorded we are ready to really play :-) - Remember to Reset when your loop ends (by fading or mute). Otherwise you continue to send a useless timing to me. If I dont watch out, I screw up a new base because its rounded to a multiple of the obsolete beat :-( I can escape from it by pressing Overdub, but lets try to be "polite" :-) - Remember to Reset before you start a new base, because if my loop stayed longer than yours, your machine thinks that there are syncs coming and thus may try to sync to my previous loop. - Remember that the clock coming from the brother makes your unit become aware that it should sync to it. So if you Reset and then Record immediately, you dont sync. In LOOP IV, wait for the Overdub LED to become yellow. In LOOP III, wait for the first flash of the green Sync dot. - If you do a new Record without Reset, you go on in the old timing. If your brother changed timing and you want to sync to that, you need to Reset and wait for a clock of his (at Cycle end). - Functions that change the loop length like UnroundedMultiply (Record- Multiply) throw you out of sync permanently. You can only go back to sync by resetting. - Functions that change your StartPoint (HalfSpeed, Reverse, StartPoint, Mute-Insert, Mute-Undo, Next without SwitchQuant) only set off the StartPoint in relation to the Brother but keep you going at the same speed, so you don't drift. To come back to the original StartPoint, you can use ReAlign (Mute- Multiply). Best press it right after your own StartPoint passed (flash of the KeyLED in LOOP IV) to make sure that you wait for the brothers StartPoint to Retrigger on, and not your own again. - If you only have one unit and want to get the feel of sync before you go to a meeting, practice by syncing to a MIDIclock. Its not quite the same, since the Sync parameter has to be IN and the clock comes immediately, but still, you see SyncRecord working and can try the function of Overdub in Reset. - In case you want to use the EDP MIDIclock output to control the speed of some sequencer or the Repeater, you need to bring the clock into a reasonable range, by choosing the 8th/beat (8th/Cycle) that fits your loop length. Or maybe easier: Start with a loop length around 2-4 sec if you leave 8th/Cycle at the default of 8. If you sync two EDPs by BrotherSync and use the MIDIclock-Out of one of them, the others 8th/Cycle does not matter. - Unfortunately not all EDPs sync up between each other because Gibson kept changing the manufacturing place and staff, and thus the tolerances of the main clock crystals. To make sure they sync up on sample base, try with a short loop and watch the flashing LEDs. If they drift, replace the crystals of the old units by new crystals from Andy Ewen. All EDPPlus (black ones) are made by him, so they should sync fine. Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 09:12:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2D63BE8C; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:09:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <49437BD8.8080807@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:12:43 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 13 at 6:00 am (EST/GMT-5:00/ITZ-5:00), less than two hours from now. 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- Dearest,I am writing this mail to you with tears and sorrow from my heart. My name is Richael Justin Yac , 24yrs old, female and I held from South Sudan. I am writing this mail to you with tears and sorrow from my heart. My father Dr. Justin Yac Arop was the former Minister for SPLA Affairs and Special Adviser to President Salva Kiir of South Sudan for Decentralization. My father Dr. Justine Yac and my mother including other top Military officers and top government officials had been on board when the plane crashed on Friday May 02, 2008.You can read more about the crash through the below site http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7380412.stm After the burial of my father, my uncle conspired and sold my father's properties to one Chinease Expatriate and live nothing for me. One faithful morning, I opened my father's briefcase and found out the documents which he have deposited huge amount of money in one bank in Burkina Faso with my name as the next of kin. I traveled to Burkina Faso to withdraw the money so that I can start a better life and take care of myself. On my arrival, the Branch manager of the Bank whom I met in person told me that my father's instruction to the bank was the money be release to me only when I am married or present a trustee who will help me and invest the money overseas.I am in search of an honest and reliable person who will help me and stand as my trustee so that I will present him to the Bank for transfer of the money to his bank account overseas. I have chosen to contact you after my prayers and I believe that you will not betray my trust. But rather take me as your own sister. Though you may wonder why I am so soon revealing myself to you without knowing you, well, I will say that my mind convinced me that you may be the true person to help me. More so, I will like to disclose much to you if you can help me to relocate to your country because my uncle have threaten to assassinate me. The amount is $14.9Million and I have confirmed from the bank in Burkina Faso. You will also help me to place the money in a more profitable business venture in your Country.However, you will help by recommending a nice University in your country so that I can complete my studies. It is my intention to compensate you with 10% of the total money for your services and the balance shall be my capital in your establishment. As soon as I receive your interest in helping me, I will put things into action immediately. In the light of the above, I shall appreciate an urgent message indicating your ability and willingness to handle this transaction sincerely. Please do keep this only to your self. I beg you not to disclose it till i come over because I am affraid of my weaked uncle who has threatened to kill me. Sincerely yours,Richael Justin Yac.
--0-311855538-1229160371=:210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 11:50:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8C53BE89; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:50:05 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 03AFBB5600099A03AFBCA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:50:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Matthias Grob" > > I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo > easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. > One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the > EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. > I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. > But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay > machine. > Some of the best recordings are on > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, David... > > The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone to > bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded > fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was druming, > I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and figured it out > and it worked. > And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) > I will tell you when I upload it. > > And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit > heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) > > And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social > subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo recordings, > with at least two players using loops most of the time? He could not. I > met very few > Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc > Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY > Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case > since Os does the looping) > Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays > professionally with a band, but just him looping) > Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg > > Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, but > the best is to do it together!! > > Matthias > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >> I'd like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky Back in the early 90s I was still conceptualizing or gestating what I wanted to happen with the music; I bought my 7.6 Time Machine along with my first QuadraVerb from a guy running a Safari Records in Santa Monica... and the first configuration was like: Guitar -----\ Juno-106 --|-- Mixer --> 4-track PC w MIDI -| Mics -------/ ...with the Time Machine and Quadraverb as Aux I/Os. So between 1992 and when the first 4-track died in 1997, I would drag all this around LA to rather large private parties we were running, and boy was setup a pain until I learned how to plan for it... Around midnight we'd throw ourselves on the instruments, friends on the Juno, or found objects/analog instruments/vocals through the mics. I'd always be on the Strat with pedals in the beginning. Round 1999 I added a pair of Zoom 2100s for guitar use (thanks to David Myers on this list). They saved my cheese one night when the house we played in was completely non-grounded, and you know what that does to a DigiTech loop unit... After the first time in August 1992 I decided to cop the old folk tale and name the efforts Stone Soup Project. It made for a nice environment to do long, conceptual stuff because the players were musically adept with similar tastes (Grateful Dead, Fripp/Eno, the lot). I got ahold of an old Yamaha MT4X to remaster all these recordings - it's got the same track order, remember? - and will be producing a collection of these pieces next year. If I have the ability to make it out there to Santa Cruz I intend to call together surviving participants for a new Stone Soup Project, though it'll probably be down in LA where most of the folks still live. Enuf. Oh, and I posted a new revision of the Kew Water 0.1.4 video, this one hopefully with a Surround mix. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 11:59:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559533BE86; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Cc: Cara Quinn Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42--393229520 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Brother and Sister Sync (still about Live Looping in an ensemble context) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:59:17 -0300 References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:59:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-42--393229520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we were talking about ensembles: There was a band called BrotherSync, a full EDP band! Bret was on this list between 1996 and 2002, I dont know what happened since. In september 2002 he said, when Cara Quinn joined the band: > Now that CQ is recording with us a name change may be required: > Brother and Sister Sync > Sibling Sync > 3 Men and a Goddess > bret and I was going to answer, but probably embarrassed to drift... ;-) : another language limit... I was so proud of the BrotherSync technology that does not need master and slave, but the name still seems to exclude half of mankind. There is not enough space for BrotherAndSisterSync on the back - bad excuse Maybe I should have simply called it SisterSync or NeighborSync ...imagine if the Sync was wireless and you could sync to someone living next door who already synced to someone else in the building and the ones living in between would listen to that groovy mixture... Matthias --Apple-Mail-42--393229520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brother and Sister Sync
we were talking about ensembles: There was a band called BrotherSync, a full EDP band!
Bret was on this list between 1996 and 2002, I dont know what happened since. 

In september 2002 he said, when Cara Quinn joined the band:

Now that CQ is recording with us a name change may be required:
Brother and Sister Sync
Sibling Sync
3 Men and a Goddess
bret

and I was going to answer, but probably embarrassed to drift... ;-) :

another language limit... I was so proud of the BrotherSync technology that does not need master and slave, but the name still seems to exclude half of mankind.
There is not enough space for BrotherAndSisterSync on the back - bad excuse
Maybe I should have simply called it SisterSync
or NeighborSync
...imagine if the Sync was wireless and you could sync to someone living next door
who already synced to someone else in the building
and the ones living in between would listen to that groovy mixture...

Matthias
--Apple-Mail-42--393229520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 12:14:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45DF3BE8F; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <06BA603C-2B77-40FA-93E2-F554D1006164@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loop List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--392313994 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Loopers At NAMM? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:14:32 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5DQJ8D.A.79F.qc6QJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:14:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--392313994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn, is it that time of year already?? So who's heading to NAMM in January? see you there, Steve Where to find me on the web - _______________________ ********************************* *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! --Apple-Mail-2--392313994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn, is it that time of year already??

So who's heading to NAMM in January?

see you there,

Steve

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--Apple-Mail-2--392313994-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 12:26:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5320B3BE87; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Dg194UIOOUK2r9vStHZ7xY9ZCqbKQR4QQgrxtiDNJZ8=; b=G/YE7uJXOxzg30Da8bQ+UolK4Vqdn/BPvh/odwxVhfkVB0g6t2vXr34sxZOCP3Eb7m wQ8wwoQTeO4cIdJYHkQRC/7rSbovgMLSAcfAxHjlA/ofZDE1P3AdVgutrhaZ+twrkysL +z7KQJDqE4U/QavCM8b5EB6NZ7+5TLvlO5kIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pFQnl3igZrDi8wznB8FKwtgXg4JZNmn8+aj9+myfIZ01sWzD0E74HrWDEEXivgF8nZ ec+zE31eFG5eDAiuDFnteIqWVqpfdSNeUn2laRPJjLBUMKJk/JAuwI8cZRbCQw1yqjQF 0ezqlshc65sRnzk1l7fFkk4eoNWlUnRJpE9fE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812130426h7f905fd0w73d8aac2cfbcc543@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:26:26 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Brother and Sister Sync (still about Live Looping in an ensemble context) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > or NeighborSync > ...imagine if the Sync was wireless and you could sync to someone living > next door > who already synced to someone else in the building > and the ones living in between would listen to that groovy mixture... > Matthias Great joke ;-) ... but seriously, wouldn't it be technically possible to create a wireless looper sync bass station? Some thing that works along your Bother/Sister/Nighbor.... whatever- sync protocol and provides a house clock by wireless distribution? I'm seeing all these cool devices around now, like for example Apple's Airport Bass Station 2. And when my MacBook came with a remote control that uses Bluetooth, so I can sit in my sofa and pause my video on the laptop five meters away, or open and close applications. Someone made the Wii control for Nintendo which seems to work flawlessly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 12:59:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24A33BE86; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4943B198.4070600@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:59:04 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: GIG SPAM Rick Walker's DAYGLO ORANGE PLASTIC live performance Sat Dec 20, Santa Cruz, California Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1gqJnB.A.4KH.bG7QJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:59:07 +0000 (UTC) DAYGLO ORANGE PLASTIC live looping performance by Rick Walker I'll be performing the show that I performed in 8 countries in Scandinavia, Northern Europe and the UK this coming Saturday, Dec 20th to open up CLOCKWORK at the Seabright Bar and Lounge (529 Seabright, Santa Cruz, California) I'll play directly at 9 p.m. and then would love it if people would come join me for dancing to Goth/Steampunk and Swirly Industrial directly afterwards. This will be the first time I have performed the entire Dayglo Orange Plastic show in Santa Cruz . I will only use Dayglo Orange Plastic as a source of sound in an hour long show that is very unusual and, hopefully, very creative. I hope you can come down and check it out. Admission is 5 bucks but you are let in for FREE if you are attired in goth/industrial and/or steampunk attire. Also, appropos of almost nothing: I made a nice poster for this gig if any one is interested in hanging it in their very own personal Loopastery. For a free, high quality .pdf printable 11" X 17" version go here to download: www.looppool.info/DaygloOrangePlastic It's important that you use proper capitlization in this URL. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 13:15:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C16DC3BE86; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZIEyxG9faBe9UHG00jF4jJgmH7hOQgmRkcVfhfR/Szc=; b=IYW3puFfEArMkzAKMNj/b1Pz54+CMhSrT93I/bG2mZT/TK/z/TuOa++/5n+TNfrgIH cp9exRzgRtUZkx/p4VFazFuXlzFy+RGZi4hRo4SV4JK6vm9SFq+cLUS87khsUrJz7E+g nJRYndgAZJK3YULeOgQS+bMHnZDbogBVjhTLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=wgd2a+gGVS3WDu9yyw08MbMCZnPC2BSfXDlkmASYqQ2gsTaVSMWr2WYvrnJ8FJsNcV ZGJDWC9vTAlCaoRMAhg8xk088foSMUMrsPgEkzemYHQKgdCbgpyHiAeihj/OScKCHhQO 2Ct+hrYnIgkTbJn1ekfZGqy03G7O6JEfAnb/s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:15:07 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_124737_5485245.1229174108027" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:15:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_124737_5485245.1229174108027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A tangent to the thread: what is the largest number of people who can log in and use a ninjam session? You want live ensemble looping ... *GRIN Dennis -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_124737_5485245.1229174108027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A tangent to the thread: what is the largest number of people who can log in and use a ninjam session?

You want live ensemble looping ... *GRIN

Dennis

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------=_Part_124737_5485245.1229174108027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 13:20:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3EC3BE85; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c95d25$8fba1580$cb04c150@yourc9d9764718> From: "Stephen Moyes" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <20081213023722.37030@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:20:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <0Dru9.A.1xH.La7QJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:20:11 +0000 (UTC) I have frequently done bits of looping in improvising groups, sometimes with other people using loops, but usually not. The thought of being synced to some one else terrifies me, though. I will have to give it a go one day, just for the experience... What I find challenging sometimes, if I get a loop going in an ensemble, is finding a way to get out of the loop. Sometimes there is an opportune moment to just stop the loop and launch into something else. On other occasions I find myself just fading the loop out, which can feel a bit lame to me, not that other musicians I have played with have ever complained. It would be interesting to hear how others deal with this. I fine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context I guess a lot of people do... What I'd be really interested in: To sync or not to sync... THAT is the question... ;-) Buzap -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 15:36:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586793BE8B; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:33:41 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 13, 2008. To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4943D5D5.6010502@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/081213.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #142 December 13, 2008. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early isses came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. 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Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 15:43:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6E23BE85; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1Bfb7oRXAAPpVbjCXZMplMoM85aAFXAo8+Ajx/B7AHJf6tPl24/YzlHkxH7UFm7YJXw56rIGiWlXb6V3ZZ6cFeERKZz5f79Eb/uRsgEd2zEX5x86iW3LZnjYOX6ZkT9VSdMLDgdYypedoxF5ZgMBgHDPENdamB0gcFPZepxT2RI= ; X-YMail-OSG: GrBhr.EVM1mSiUJnS9r6Ek.1JIwCEsg.cTNgmwauIdp85RKuqXbvjMx3nBE76S2PjlvKx70_gMtKpWDGt52JB_rtPhoJNQUCA_ltHyTO6dC908UoxXnKl0HMYBKF.98hTUOBt1Kf3GnlS7nJvzqRyDnOnkoN6AZmogy2j0AyKdmkc2cTe.UgsrLe1EYku4ukDTeoFd2IJWhcgtae770e3qL_mFe0qwczAw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <05fa01c95d39$978f9be0$4201a8c0@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like you've mentioned, I very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now that i've been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble practice, it has become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will continue in this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on that. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context > Great subject! > > I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo > easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. > One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the > EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. > I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. > But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay > machine. > Some of the best recordings are on > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, David... > > The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone to > bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded > fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was druming, > I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and figured it out > and it worked. > And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) > I will tell you when I upload it. > > And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit > heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) > > And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social > subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo recordings, > with at least two players using loops most of the time? He could not. I > met very few > Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc > Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY > Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case > since Os does the looping) > Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays > professionally with a band, but just him looping) > Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg > > Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, but > the best is to do it together!! > > Matthias > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >> I'd like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release > Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 16:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9345C3BE85; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <4943B198.4070600@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: GIG SPAM Rick Walker's DAYGLO ORANGE PLASTIC live performance Sat Dec 20, Santa Cruz, California Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:58:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Argh. I already promised to play at a party that night. Rick, really wish that I could be there. Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 17:17:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6393BE8A; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=f7DWqN1lCCuOAwlet082zeTPPoaJYvY9d77mkt+8vRY=; b=dv42zNlsIYLBXRv5WYp3WsEMmx0OMZBwDYEYoZyWW7FUX4f+2YNNPAFQ+LFM/qE4Gv LZFMjo8+KRVAXLCcFFaTQSJVxXPx4Q5cwe5P73N4WZ15mzeodbLPomK9lFV3YCRCkgTf KrFF0+RIcaK+tPdyuYPEYRqaU91eWpuGXC//o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=NHU5zQikNMbJw1GMOqLA4a7K25LTiIDuhZfkCpfQz86WcCbUJ0nxI+ThiQD/JyBhOG Fp3uj8lmz+RWewPc6MNb1inad2gb9dbsV+2ipPsKOsyhuklDCapToRHRcSdJg9oZdpfn /b/LFb9uA5bnO7KzTgGXgCu41cnKUNjaeBaVc= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:17:24 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context In-Reply-To: <05fa01c95d39$978f9be0$4201a8c0@Studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19510_17564346.1229188644902" References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <05fa01c95d39$978f9be0$4201a8c0@Studio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:17:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19510_17564346.1229188644902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on that. have put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument Hey Ricky Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project ,as well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that emerges when one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for consiousness...why? the death of an academic :) but i brought it back to the music.. Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process of creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival of the processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good research on how we work and create and think.. Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious" Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to describe live looping or catagorise it. Yakady Byron but there i go babbling..... On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > Thanks for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like you've > mentioned, I very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. > Now that i've been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble > practice, it has become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it > will continue in this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio > recently in which each musician is utilising some form of interactive > technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend > for each technological element to communicate in some way with one another. > I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on that. > > Ricky > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" < > matilists@atarde.com.br> > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM > Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context > > > Great subject! >> >> I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo >> easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. >> One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the EDP) >> was the BrotherSync feature. >> I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. >> But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay >> machine. >> Some of the best recordings are on >> http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm >> The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, David... >> >> The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone to >> bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded fantastic >> old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was druming, I asked to >> play together, so we met a few days before and figured it out and it >> worked. >> And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) >> I will tell you when I upload it. >> >> And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit >> heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) >> >> And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social >> subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo recordings, >> with at least two players using loops most of the time? He could not. I met >> very few >> Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc >> Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY >> Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case >> since Os does the looping) >> Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays >> professionally with a band, but just him looping) >> Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg >> >> Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, but >> the best is to do it together!! >> >> Matthias >> >> On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with me as >>> I'd like to ask you a few questions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ricky >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release >> Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM >> >> >> > ------=_Part_19510_17564346.1229188644902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline  I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on that.
 have put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument

Hey Ricky

Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project ,as well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that emerges when one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words


For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for consiousness...why? the death  of an academic :) 

but i brought it back to the music..
Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process of creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival of the processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good research on how we work and create and think..
Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious"
Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to describe live looping or catagorise it.

Yakady
Byron


but there i go babbling.....





On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Thanks for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like you've mentioned, I very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now that i've been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble practice, it has become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will continue in this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on that.

Ricky


----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" <matilists@atarde.com.br> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context


Great subject!

I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo easier, it might also cause people to stay alone.
One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature.
I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins.
But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay machine.
Some of the best recordings are on
http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm
The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira,  David...

The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone  to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was  druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and  figured it out and it worked.
And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...)
I will tell you when I upload it.

And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun!  ;-)

And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo  recordings, with at least two players using loops most of the time? He  could not. I met very few
Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc
Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY
Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case since Os does the looping)
Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays professionally with a band, but just him looping)
Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg

Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better,  but the best is to do it together!!

Matthias

On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote:

Hello Everyone,

How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with  me as I'd like to ask you a few questions.

Cheers,

Ricky



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------=_Part_19510_17564346.1229188644902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 17:34:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC1813BE85; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fwew9kW0/lEUxDcsbQBZwLu3a5/LuIdlsE34bjWa6Frxnvvcew/ghhCy2L2jEk+NDLJMHIfcO17lh0QSyZHKy7pzJysSs4LL210ivMHtKNz4qMGv9+Hesmrtqw9tY6Rv4VHDTG0VTUmnuj7zLco8jE/GLghK17rOg4/NiXGqVhA= ; X-YMail-OSG: 0ws_q.sVM1mUgDsW3hT6zpO8i_qomzCvpdTX_6MqvtU.2WeEDkzbPIVQZ3KD3uW0wZQ0SdlKL3N_PMbsy6oql5x5Q9OteNHMVykoG9iZIz8USTZBjCZyGRJblyoiY5VN3NX6I1ScFvMWQ6sMlXlOLWywAN9NYV6bEEb4i5IReXHXo8MKz3x2MazWkIUTDF.FndY2ncK104B6JEjQocq95JO5Ka7UJJ_aBg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000f01c95d49$15eeff30$4201a8c0@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <05fa01c95d39$978f9be0$4201a8c0@Studio> Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C95D49.14EAFCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C95D49.14EAFCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will of course, Byron. Thank you. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byron Howell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way = with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you = posted on that. have put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising = some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or = semi-acoustic instrument Hey Ricky Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project ,as = well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that emerges = when one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic = epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for = consiousness...why? the death of an academic :)=20 but i brought it back to the music.. Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process of = creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival of = the processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good = research on how we work and create and think.. Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious" Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to = describe live looping or catagorise it. Yakady Byron but there i go babbling..... On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Thanks for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like = you've mentioned, I very much thought of looping within a solo performer = context. Now that i've been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for = ensemble practice, it has become a core focus of my work and I can = foresee that it will continue in this manner for quite some time. I have = put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some = form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic = instrument. I intend for each technological element to communicate in = some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll = keep you posted on that. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" = To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Great subject! I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing = solo easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into = the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. But before I had great times to play with others into the same = delay machine. Some of the best recordings are on http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, = David... The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for = someone to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his = overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he = was druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and = figured it out and it worked. And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) I will tell you when I upload it. And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a = bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this = social subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo = recordings, with at least two players using loops most of the time? He = could not. I met very few Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGaJKp8KvABc Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUY Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo (special = case since Os does the looping) Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbA1srd_bczs (he = plays professionally with a band, but just him looping) Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7Hg Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even = better, but the best is to do it together!! Matthias On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: Hello Everyone, How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch = with me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. Cheers, Ricky --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - = Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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I will of course, Byron. Thank = you.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Byron=20 Howell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, = 2008 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: Live Looping in an = ensemble=20 context

 I intend for each technological element to = communicate in=20 some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll = keep=20 you posted on that.
 have put together a trio recently in = which each=20 musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside = their=20 acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument

Hey Ricky

Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project = ,as=20 well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that = emerges when=20 one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words


For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic=20 epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model = for=20 consiousness...why? the death  of an academic :) 

but i brought it back to the music..
Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones = process of=20 creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival of = the=20 processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good = research on how=20 we work and create and think..
Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious"
Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to = describe live looping or catagorise it.

Yakady
Byron


but there i go babbling.....





On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky Graham = <rock.guitar.guru@btintern= et.com>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like you've = mentioned, I=20 very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now = that i've=20 been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble practice, = it has=20 become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will = continue in=20 this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio recently = in=20 which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology = alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for = each=20 technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I = hope=20 the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on=20 that.

Ricky


----- Original Message ----- From: = "Matthias=20 Grob" <matilists@atarde.com.br>

To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent= :=20 Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble=20 context


Great subject!

I allways felt a bit sad = that=20 although live looping makes playing solo easier, it might also = cause=20 people to stay alone.
One of the main reason to build the LOOP = delay=20 (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature.
I did = the=20 first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins.
But before I = had great=20 times to play with others into the same delay machine.
Some of = the best=20 recordings are on
http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm
The most = intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira,=20  David...

The first festival I participated was = Loopstock. I=20 looked for someone  to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered = some=20 space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his = drums. When I=20 heard he was  druming, I asked to play together, so we met a = few days=20 before and  figured it out and it worked.
And I started = this week=20 to edit the video! (learning...)
I will tell you when I upload=20 it.

And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - = which=20 was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun!=20  ;-)

And today I talked with Per and he suggested to = bring up=20 this social subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos = of duo=20  recordings, with at least two players using loops most of = the time?=20 He  could not. I met very few
Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGaJKp8KvABc
Lur: = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUY
Impro= vizone:=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo = (special case=20 since Os does the looping)
Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbA1srd_bczs = (he plays=20 professionally with a band, but just him looping)
Rick, Per and = Pellef:=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7Hg

Y= es,=20 to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, =  but=20 the best is to do it together!!

Matthias

On 12 Dec = 2008, at=20 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote:

Hello=20 Everyone,

How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could = you get in=20 touch with  me as I'd like to ask you a few=20 = questions.

Cheers,

Ricky



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I’ll be there, I have a = gig  on Friday afternoon at 4 p.m. playing lap steel at the  Museum of = making Music exhibit, I’ll also be helping out Bob again this year at Looperlative, Hope to see you there.

 Bill<= /p>

 


From: = Steve Lawson = [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, December = 13, 2008 4:15 AM
To: Loop List
Subject: Loopers At = NAMM?

 

Damn, is it that time of year already??

So who's heading to NAMM in January?

see you there,

Steve

Where to find me on the web -
 _______________________
*********************************
*** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site
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Thank you. =20 Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Byron=20 Howell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 =20 Sent: Saturday=2C December 13=2C 2008 5:17=20 PM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble=20 context I intend for each technological element to communicate in=20 some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll ke= ep=20 you posted on that. have put together a trio recently in which each=20 musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their= =20 acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument =20 Hey Ricky =20 Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project =2Cas=20 well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that emerges w= hen=20 one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words =20 =20 For me=2C it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic=20 epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for=20 consiousness...why? the death of an academic :)=20 =20 but i brought it back to the music.. Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process of=20 creation or rather of creating. that log of document=2C the archival of t= he=20 processs is what the academics want=2C i think....makes for good research= on how=20 we work and create and think.. Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious" Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to=20 describe live looping or catagorise it. =20 Yakady Byron =20 =20 but there i go babbling..... =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Sat=2C Dec 13=2C 2008 at 5:43 PM=2C Ricky Graham =20 wrote: Thanks=20 for the links=2C Matthias. In beginning my research=2C like you've ment= ioned=2C I=20 very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now that = i've=20 been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble practice=2C = it has=20 become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will continue = in=20 this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio recently in= =20 which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology=20 alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for each= =20 technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I ho= pe=20 the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on=20 that.Ricky----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias=20 Grob" To: Sent:=20 Saturday=2C December 13=2C 2008 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble=20 context =20 =20 =20 Great subject!I allways felt a bit sad that=20 although live looping makes playing solo easier=2C it might also caus= e=20 people to stay alone.One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay=20 (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature.I did the=20 first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins.But before I had grea= t=20 times to play with others into the same delay machine.Some of the bes= t=20 recordings are onhttp://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htmThe most=20 intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba=2C Bira=2C=20 David...The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I=20 looked for someone to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some=20 space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo=2C next to all his drums.= When I=20 heard he was druming=2C I asked to play together=2C so we met a few = days=20 before and figured it out and it worked.And I started this week=20 to edit the video! (learning...)I will tell you when I upload=20 it.And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which=20 was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work)=2C but still fun!=20 =3B-)And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up=20 this social subject more=2C and I said: can you point me at videos of= duo=20 recordings=2C with at least two players using loops most of the time= ?=20 He could not. I met very fewUrban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/wat= ch?v=3DGaJKp8KvABcLur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUYImproviz= one:=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo (special case=20 since Os does the looping)Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DbA1srd_bczs (he plays=20 professionally with a band=2C but just him looping)Rick=2C Per and Pe= llef:=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7HgYes=2C=20 to be social here is great=2C to meet at festivals is even better=2C = but=20 the best is to do it together!!MatthiasOn 12 Dec 2008=2C at=20 10:24=2C Ricky Graham wrote: Hello=20 Everyone=2CHow many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in= =20 touch with me as I'd like to ask you a few=20 questions.Cheers=2CRicky -- No virus found in this incoming=20 message.Checked by AVG. 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the dell deals seem pretty good

this is what i have specced:

intel core 2 duo 2.2= ghz /800mhz/2mb FSB
3gb shared dual channel DDR at 800mhz
300gig SATA hard drive 5400rppm

now i have 3 ch= oices for a $75 upgrade -=A0
1) faster CPU - core 2 duo 2.2ghz/10= 66mhz/3mb FSB
2) more RAM - 4 GIG
3) faster hard drive = - 250GB SATA hard drive 7200 RPM

in your opinion= =2C what would be the most beneficial upgrade for reducing latency?=A0
=A0

thanks

From: rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context
= Date: Sat=2C 13 Dec 2008 17:34:42 +0000

I will of course=2C Byron. Thank you.<= /font>
=A0
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Byron=20 Howell
Sent: Saturday=2C December 13=2C 20= 08 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ens= emble=20 context

=A0I intend for each technological element to communicate = in=20 some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll ke= ep=20 you posted on that.
=A0have put together a trio recently in which each= =20 musician is utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their= =20 acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument

Hey Ricky

Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project = =2Cas=20 well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that emerges w= hen=20 one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words


For me=2C it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic=20 epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for=20 consiousness...why? the death =A0of an academic :)=A0

but i brought it back to the music..
Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process o= f=20 creation or rather of creating. that log of document=2C the archival of t= he=20 processs is what the academics want=2C i think....makes for good research= on how=20 we work and create and think..
Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious"
Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to=20 describe live looping or catagorise it.

Yakady
Byron


but there i go babbling.....





On Sat=2C Dec 13=2C 2008 at 5:43 PM=2C Rick= y Graham <=3Brock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for the links=2C Matthias. In beginning my research=2C like you've ment= ioned=2C I=20 very much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now that = i've=20 been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble practice=2C = it has=20 become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will continue = in=20 this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio recently in= =20 which each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology=20 alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for each= =20 technological element to communicate in some way with one another. I ho= pe=20 the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on=20 that.

Ricky


----- Original Message ----- From: "Matth= ias=20 Grob" <=3Bmatilists@atarde= .com.br> Se= nt:=20 Saturday=2C December 13=2C 2008 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble=20 context


Great subject!

I allways felt a bit s= ad that=20 although live looping makes playing solo easier=2C it might also caus= e=20 people to stay alone.
One of the main reason to build the LOOP del= ay=20 (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature.
I did the= =20 first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins.
But before I had = great=20 times to play with others into the same delay machine.
Some of the= best=20 recordings are on
http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm
The most=20 intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba=2C Bira=2C=20 =A0David...

The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I= =20 looked for someone =A0to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some=20 space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo=2C next to all his drums.= When I=20 heard he was =A0druming=2C I asked to play together=2C so we met a fe= w days=20 before and =A0figured it out and it worked.
And I started this wee= k=20 to edit the video! (learning...)
I will tell you when I upload=20 it.

And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - whi= ch=20 was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work)=2C but still fun!=20 =A0=3B-)

And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring= up=20 this social subject more=2C and I said: can you point me at videos of= duo=20 =A0recordings=2C with at least two players using loops most of the ti= me?=20 He =A0could not. I met very few
Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGaJKp= 8KvABc
Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUY
Improvizone:=20 http://www.y= outube.com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo (special case=20 since Os does the looping)
Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbA1srd_bczs= (he plays=20 professionally with a band=2C but just him looping)
Rick=2C Per an= d Pellef:=20 http://www.y= outube.com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7Hg

Yes=2C=20 to be social here is great=2C to meet at festivals is even better=2C = =A0but=20 the best is to do it together!!

Matthias

On 12 Dec 2008= =2C at=20 10:24=2C Ricky Graham wrote:

Hello=20 Everyone=2C

How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you= get in=20 touch with =A0me as I'd like to ask you a few=20 questions.

Cheers=2C

Ricky


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Learn more about Windows Live = --_cb59aa5a-700b-4f0e-9f9e-06ebdc742727_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 18:22:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70483BE88; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <61190.72.51.1229192564.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:22:44 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context.....what gear do u use? From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <67V-q.A.wrC.01_QJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Great topic. I've been looking for these types of videos for awhile now. Thanks Matthias. I'm currently playing with a guitarist who is using a RC50 and was wondering if anyone has had any success syncing with it. I think it can only act as a master. I'm hoping to sync it with a laptop Bidule/Mobius combo. I was wondering what syncing setups everyone is using and what recommendations you have. Here are a couple songs that I would like to try this with. They are not strictly live looping recordings but I'm currently doing them in my live looping set. http://www.andredonawa.com/audio/ANDRE_DONAWA-In_Love.m3u http://www.andredonawa.com/audio/ANDRE_DONAWA-Soca_In_My_Soul.m3u Thanks, http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa Andre http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa On Sat, December 13, 2008 12:33 am, Matthias Grob wrote: > Great subject! > > I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes playing solo > easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. > One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned into the > EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. > I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. > But before I had great times to play with others into the same delay > machine. > Some of the best recordings are on > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, > David... > > The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for someone > to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his overloaded > fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he was > druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and > figured it out and it worked. > And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) > I will tell you when I upload it. > > And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was a bit > heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) > > And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this social > subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo > recordings, with at least two players using loops most of the time? He > could not. I met very few > Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc > Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY > Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case > since Os does the looping) > Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays > professionally with a band, but just him looping) > Rick, Per and Pellef: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg > > Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, > but the best is to do it together!! > > Matthias > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with >> me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ricky > > http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 18:34:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E723BE8B; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rDuV+pP0GJuCFvLsNDBtxKieqCwPwWQCsWfTbdWc7jA=; b=Kf9qyBYRMt+MLK9cnCHLXu7n/b5akc3HKmaoixFbl4B7W39HfqOdCACTTGujDvZTZm Q9ivKD3Cn6k+fV9CHuVX8q4uRh6O4dGFqTAdyApHP7xcwLNSeV0ZiCJK6qla+6N1q7Hh kwJ0s26xNJzWyWRPHSoz1g+uE5eI0/Eq19MNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OCWNNoBYQxi826Jzv7y5kxOpk3VcaoxZn0EEy13VUXdnU0hypS1WJz0/9g09owNLC5 xj8nrTmgiz/JzPAR/tDRAPPryzXHrq6g3Dv5dYTf8lxqMgd/RcrjXYBe8M73kJ5l9vNp 6OYobdK/q9Wgg6uwydF1paFR623fQoFiN+c9A= Message-ID: <101191640812131034p2d6bb170tde255729d1edd482@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:34:52 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" In-Reply-To: <009201c95ca3$bc45b780$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20691_30121302.1229193292739" References: <20081212162746.YELGA.1350931.root@mp12> <009201c95ca3$bc45b780$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87801d9e8b880f63 Resent-Message-ID: <2GIzrB.A.aGD.NBARJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:34:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20691_30121302.1229193292739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline yeah, but it still is not always easy to know whether you're inching the door back or just making a flat spot on your head where you're beating it against a wall. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > You said "I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the >> category of folks who have depended on the former rather >than the later= too >> often in life" >> > > Guilty of same Ted, however just remember another quote, this one by Yog= i > Berra "it ain't over till it's over" > > "keep on keeping on", > http://tiny.cc/OVdJB > > J > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd (R) kiLLiAn" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:27 PM > Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" > > > > I know this thread spent itself out some days ago now. > > But I thought I'd share this quote anyway. > > I found it on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed unde= r > his "favorite quotes." > > And the originator is (of all unlikely people) Calvin Coolidge. > > Here goes . . . > > Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; > nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not= ; > unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is f= ull > of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The > slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the hu= man > race. - Calvin Coolidge > > Press on . . . > > I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the category of > folks who have depended on the former rather than the later too often in > life, and positively galling (personally) to think that my son has seen t= his > (in me) and recognized it as a failure as well. > > Oh well . . . press on anyway. > > Cheers, > > tEd (R) kiLLiAn > > Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims > he intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) > > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: 12/12/20= 08 > 9:02 AM > > --=20 Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679 http://www.warrensirota.com ------=_Part_20691_30121302.1229193292739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline yeah, but it still is not always easy to know whether you're inching th= e door back or just making a flat spot on your head where you're beatin= g it against a wall.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008= at 4:51 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:

You said "I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into th= e category of folks who have depended on the former rather >than the lat= er too often in life"

Guilty of same Ted, however just remember another quote, this one  by = Yogi Berra "it ain't over till it's over"

"keep on keeping on",
http://tiny.cc/OVdJB=

J

----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" <tedkillian@charter.ne= t>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATI= ON"



I know this thread spent itself out some days ago now.

But I thought I'd share this quote anyway.

I found it on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed un= der his "favorite quotes."

And the originator is (of all unlikely people) Calvin Coolidge.

Here goes . . .

Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; no= thing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; un= rewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full = of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The sl= ogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of = the human race. - Calvin Coolidge

Press on . . .

I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the category of f= olks who have depended on the former rather than the later too often in lif= e, and positively galling (personally) to think that my son has seen this (= in me) and recognized it as a failure as well.

Oh well . . . press on anyway.

Cheers,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

http://= www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://ww= w.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http:= //www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Produc= tID=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-= live/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTune= s



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------=_Part_20691_30121302.1229193292739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 18:44:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DB43BE84; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9812E100-D9A7-4FE0-9DF9-CAAF0E6A9096@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--368907634 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context.....what gear do u use? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:44:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: <32tzTB.A.1QE.bKARJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:44:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--368907634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with >> me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. >> I've been looping in a lots of duo contexts for about 9 years, and for the last three in lots of trios and quartets. The latest being Lawson/ Dodds/Wood - a trio that came out of my loopy improv night The Recycle Collective. The trio is bass+loopage, drums+percussion, guitar+rhodes - you can hear the album, which was improvised live and then tweaked, at http://www.stevelawson.net/ldw The only looper I use on the project (or anything else other than tiny gigs with less than 10 mins set up time) is the Looperlative. In this context, it allows me a few things I haven't effectively been able to get elsewhere (ruling out software loopage as the whole laptop thing really doesn't work for me...): I love that it's stereo, that the tracks can be synced to a 'musical click' (I can play a single beat or bar and then sync all my other stuff to that), the multiple tracks allow me to remix what I'm doing, the fidelity makes it really tough to tell what's looped and what isn't (unless I choose to make that obvious), the line levelness means it plays very well with my mixer, so I can, if I choose, loop everyone else in the band as well (my AccuGroove-driven bass rig acts as the PA for the whole band), the CC controllers and groups mean I can pitch/ speed shift, change volume and feedback on individual tracks, groups of tracks or everything, and the 6 outputs mean that if we got booked into a bigger venue where us all monitoring off my PA was no longer feasible, I could route the 'click' type parts to a separate desk or channel to feed the drummers monitor. What I've found over the years of using the Looperlative is that my relationship with it gets ever deeper, and as such I think about it less and less. It's just there, it does what I want it to do, I rarely have to come up with work-arounds, it very rarely does anything I didn't want it to do, but it often surprises me in good ways (serendipity is the vitamin supplement of any good looping diet :) not sure if that's what you wanted by way of an answer, but it's what's on my mind after a few amazing gigs with Lawson/Dodds/Wood :) Steve Where to find me on the web - _______________________ ********************************* *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! --Apple-Mail-4--368907634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How many of = you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch = with
me as I'd like to ask you a few = questions.


I've been looping in a = lots of duo contexts for about 9 years, and for the last three in lots = of trios and quartets. The latest being Lawson/Dodds/Wood - a trio that = came out of my loopy improv night The Recycle = Collective. 

The trio is bass+loopage, = drums+percussion, guitar+rhodes - you can hear the album, which was = improvised live and then tweaked, at http://www.stevelawson.net/ldw=

The only looper I use on the project (or = anything else other than tiny gigs with less than 10 mins set up time) = is the Looperlative. 

In this context, it = allows me a few things I haven't effectively been able to get elsewhere = (ruling out software loopage as the whole laptop thing really doesn't = work for me...): 

I love that it's stereo, = that the tracks can be synced to a 'musical click' (I can play a single = beat or bar and then sync all my other stuff to that), the multiple = tracks allow me to remix what I'm doing, the fidelity makes it really = tough to tell what's looped and what isn't (unless I choose to make that = obvious), the line levelness means it plays very well with my mixer, so = I can, if I choose, loop everyone else in the band as well (my = AccuGroove-driven bass rig acts as the PA for the whole band), the CC = controllers and groups mean I can pitch/speed shift, change volume and = feedback on individual tracks, groups of tracks or everything, and the 6 = outputs mean that if we got booked into a bigger venue where us all = monitoring off my PA was no longer feasible, I could route the 'click' = type parts to a separate desk or channel to feed the drummers = monitor. 

What I've found over the years = of using the Looperlative is that my relationship with it gets ever = deeper, and as such I think about it less and less. It's just there, it = does what I want it to do, I rarely have to come up with work-arounds, = it very rarely does anything I didn't want it to do, but it often = surprises me in good ways (serendipity is the vitamin supplement of any = good looping diet :) 

not sure if that's = what you wanted by way of an answer, but it's what's on my mind after a = few amazing gigs with Lawson/Dodds/Wood :) 

Where to find me on the = web = -
 _______________________
**********************= ***********
*** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new = site
*** http://www.youtube.com/= user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video = here! 

= --Apple-Mail-4--368907634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 19:00:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AE43BE8B; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1229194812; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=8ElcoRFQ8wcsmLaLoki1Wd1h77w=; b=kKtAWwsjMTjgZ5VdFW8z/Z6T1LCEg3U7TiPmNe4yl2xBQV8rADOK1UGjiKuzqAOc paHv9DGBnufUKKmQX05yCHXcQmvc5/qCM+R+HD7MptJmvfYsVPJ0LxnvPZyMOImw; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pUCEBHE1pqYA:10 a=KWSxR8F6x74A:10 a=KKr2aLjzAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=8O6ZOXhNAAAA:8 a=t6gmu7T4AAAA:8 a=ZyI0f0pNaPkshcBXb6IA:9 a=J3AIBoi9A3efJ9geQm0A:7 a=0p2PU7njOWSsZOlaOTcFC8CnwT4A:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=ESEIaOzqGKcA:10 a=gwXXxWyDfVWuIVovNQwA:9 a=5zWdD6iwoFveShGJ9oAA:7 a=AW4cTqCvIBG2dV6H0RGcOxw6CZsA:4 a=YTTCQ6faurcA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004901c95d55$4f132d70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081212162746.YELGA.1350931.root@mp12> <009201c95ca3$bc45b780$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640812131034p2d6bb170tde255729d1edd482@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95D2B.65CF6F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:00:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95D2B.65CF6F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh you've seen my flat spot! I try to hide it with makeup! oh well, = "onward through the fog" - Oat Willy J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR = "INSPIRATION" yeah, but it still is not always easy to know whether you're inching = the door back or just making a flat spot on your head where you're = beating it against a wall. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jeff Duke = wrote: You said "I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen = into the category of folks who have depended on the former rather >than = the later too often in life" Guilty of same Ted, however just remember another quote, this one = by Yogi Berra "it ain't over till it's over" "keep on keeping on", http://tiny.cc/OVdJB J ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE kiLLiAn" = To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED EFFORT VS WAITING FOR = "INSPIRATION" I know this thread spent itself out some days ago now. But I thought I'd share this quote anyway. I found it on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed = under his "favorite quotes." And the originator is (of all unlikely people) Calvin Coolidge. Here goes . . . Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will = not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius = will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the = world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are = omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the = problems of the human race. - Calvin Coolidge Press on . . . I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into the = category of folks who have depended on the former rather than the later = too often in life, and positively galling (personally) to think that my = son has seen this (in me) and recognized it as a failure as well. Oh well . . . press on anyway. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the = victims he intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - = 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: = 12/12/2008 9:02 AM --=20 Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679 http://www.warrensirota.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: = 12/12/2008 6:59 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95D2B.65CF6F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh you've seen my flat spot! I try to = hide it with=20 makeup! oh well, "onward through the fog" - Oat Willy
 
J
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, = 2008 1:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: ONT THE TOPIC OF = DISCIPLINED=20 EFFORT VS WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION"

yeah, but it still is not always easy to know whether = you're=20 inching the door back or just making a flat spot on your head where = you're=20 beating it against a wall.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jeff Duke = <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>=20 wrote:

You=20 said "I find it deeply embarrassing to admit I have fallen into = the=20 category of folks who have depended on the former rather >than = the=20 later too often in life"

Guilty of same Ted, = however=20 just remember another quote, this one  by Yogi Berra "it ain't = over=20 till it's over"

"keep on keeping on",
http://tiny.cc/OVdJB

J

----- = Original=20 Message ----- From: "tEd =AE kiLLiAn" <tedkillian@charter.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: = Friday,=20 December 12, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: ONT THE TOPIC OF DISCIPLINED = EFFORT VS=20 WAITING FOR "INSPIRATION"



I know this thread spent itself out = some days=20 ago now.

But I thought I'd share this quote anyway.

I = found it=20 on (of all unlikely places) my son's Facebook page listed under his=20 "favorite quotes."

And the originator is (of all unlikely = people)=20 Calvin Coolidge.

Here goes . . .

Nothing in the world = can take=20 the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common = than=20 unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is = almost a=20 proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated = derelicts.=20 Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" = has=20 solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. - = Calvin=20 Coolidge

Press on . . .

I find it deeply embarrassing = to admit=20 I have fallen into the category of folks who have depended on the = former=20 rather than the later too often in life, and positively galling = (personally)=20 to think that my son has seen this (in me) and recognized it as a = failure as=20 well.

Oh well . . . press on = anyway.

Cheers,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly = terms with=20 the victims he intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler = (1835 -=20 1902)

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductI= D=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/J= un-07/27768

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple=20 = iTunes



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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95D2B.65CF6F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 19:06:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CACE3BE84; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IIV+hYbDBM09iK71WiNRHf+YjgMrGvTW+dOhEVTjrDo=; b=dAbLZ/w1R1cMjgKhMDFL+Qa5cwXCv1awOAYETQOi8bahbxo4aNN04r7Yid9IUtmsp5 EZb+5noLJ7PUPkc7QNz5t6iZYa2Jr4usw9LNFVQep6n52Ws3kDpawWIqYukarVboK2RO yrkFFUVabhcRHQhYRhu619UhmbDzwd1W+jYFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=hEmlL9fWoH3tN6z/0fCbPQ/Pzckjc4BCaY7eFZbfh5Rwb2/SObbKoWuzuSGl3EHDjS 6p9S+PK+iEBPvQ19RA1xWpEz4HqSKeR0AV2YMS4sGs4+Afb7IhpydK205cago3ha1T6e JDYbes2TpqrrViOxNgtfXys8hMlz40AkgwWTo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:05:57 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers At NAMM? In-Reply-To: <06BA603C-2B77-40FA-93E2-F554D1006164@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70832_15197698.1229195157131" References: <06BA603C-2B77-40FA-93E2-F554D1006164@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:06:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70832_15197698.1229195157131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll be there demonstrating the Continuum Fingerboard at booth 1803. -- Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_70832_15197698.1229195157131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll be there demonstrating the Continuum Fingerboard at booth 1803.

--
Mark Smart
http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart
http://www.marksmart.net
------=_Part_70832_15197698.1229195157131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 19:20:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8124E3BE85; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <398B9CFF-183F-4514-96DC-643E3105BB8C@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081213183454.5CF133BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: buying new comp Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:20:08 +0100 References: <20081213183454.5CF133BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) brain upgrade? hehe, just joking. but: none of your alternatives makes any difference. you already got a supercomputer. wanna buy my atari 1040stf? j - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Dec 13, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > in your opinion, what would be the most beneficial upgrade for > reducing latency? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 19:24:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 338BB3BE8C; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=j1n1gMGM2mWq8DbvzNXzN7VpzAxFwxqjZWn2yWBanig=; b=Pz2iwWireCbaYYfcLYIpUkVjKA5HYM5rTtUlbEq6J9etySaxvFTqG8ihDT8qVVFO7J E5rWfHDfXt3FGxEo/AP2my8b8HfQfVE7hH8xi1UpA9jamMOVLy+03sCwDz12CTCv36Sj kDT3kH7sNXtrrFcpBwFiEYN9iSWLnWw6LlQ9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ALqZHg+iNhxusMYhME/223+G7mQZ06fbWHVDmkimKmFL5QCUIoCImRmVRfKYSqd2qf KNBf6cuAWaiLL7pm7goqz5aqonKXZHYLHc7/VpOmuEl55LBA2RxvbOs1saV+pH+RiMsJ JR5HcfEcgif/jwVN3wF1ZJKQ8GRv/hRi45x58= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812131124g1db2e95bx347450a45d3889b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:24:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: buying new comp In-Reply-To: <398B9CFF-183F-4514-96DC-643E3105BB8C@kliklak.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081213183454.5CF133BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> <398B9CFF-183F-4514-96DC-643E3105BB8C@kliklak.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:24:48 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM, jayrope LD wrote: > wanna buy my atari 1040stf? No thanks. I still have my Atari ST 1040 that I purchased in 1988. ...but no software for it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 21:50:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DC53BE89; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:47:59 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video + Baroque + Improv + Poetry 12.19.08 @Outpost Cambridge, MA To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm performing Friday at an event that is usual and eclectic even by my own standards. My shows with Todd and John have all been mind-expanding, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the baroque element adds to the mix. Friday, December 19 @ Outpost 8:00 $5/10 "The Vortex Other Dimension Ensemble" Timothy Macri - flute Harris Shilakowsky - violin and electronics Todd Brunel - clarinets Glenn Dickson - clarinet and electronics Emile Tobenfeld - visual poetics John Mulrooney - spoken word This special evening of interactive multi media will feature a transcription for solo flute of the JS Bach Tocatta and fugue in D, an adaptation of the Corelli Christmas Concerto, the JS Bach Chromatic Fantasy and solo clarinet microtonal improvisations. OUTPOST: 186 1/2 Hampshire St., Inman Sq. Cambridge - All Ages OUTPOST DIRECTIONS: Near cr. Prospect, opposite Hess gas, behind 7-11. Big '186' on R side. Follow walk at Left to gallery, REAR -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 22:00:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2103BE87; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject :date:x-mailer; bh=qxtySBUdNkKJJ3flHk6qy5/bliZHlQ50Mqgnyg9WxuM=; b=WtrXkMHCZJhSPbRpaXpaMC2cP29jL3ZbEG9IwIIg2xr33awzohWuLlgX04yArWcGnZ Hgq4Q3f4YIvrcUkb6+7HnDkuBXNrrEFdFWn2mrJsdAh+BOtarSEe4il8BulFizfb+QIK rlBfpyuh7cvJ3dRnCbP1gWBqmHaSwufZXvYTM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to :from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=M2ypemaZ3VipECHpOQlXS+7v8Gt3zpuxvHd3WPahAhtPP24SfGeBifOdp71O/iBbdp KUej/7ZibRJ9RPUwvN5djUXuj0dbXiP9t1IqwUygnrCDSmVEJ29orpO+GpGoXxqFdno7 OkStM+bs85h87k41pqJ/4pJJr4/uvjecIl118= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <203C1409-D3F9-4C10-90DF-364EDAB0199D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: topu lyo Subject: show tonight @ ibeam cello+drums 8:30pm Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:00:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:00:23 +0000 (UTC) hey ya'll sorry for the self promotion. there will be a cool cello + drum show tonight with lots of echoplexing brooklyn @ ibeam artspace. check out the group.. myspace.com/livefootagebrooklyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 22:47:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A6C3BE86; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49443B71.5080804@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:47:13 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Loopers At NAMM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Su8eB.A.SY.ytDRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson asked who's looping at NAMM. We'll see you there, Steve. Bill and I (and I presume you too) will be demoing the Looperlative at Bob Amstadt's booth. Should we attempt a loopers luncheon on Sunday at brunch (say 11 a.m.ish?) Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 23:06:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F843BE88; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: <9726862F2E2D43C7B367FC85B045AE6F@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C95D34.64BA8E00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acldd2+ggcI71Qg2SBe7KZ9wUwoybQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:06:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C95D34.64BA8E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When my brother and I do duo or trio gigs, we sync our looperlatives up and away we go. The looperlative makes syncing easy as there is a separate record function for the person acting as the master (sync record/overdub) and the person acting as the slave (midi sync record/overdub). Simply by having both presets to use, this does away with the complication of having a midi patch bay determining the master slave relationship, and you can even forgo a midi merge box if you have a midi controller that has a midi in and can act as a thru for the midi clock. If you add more loopers you could use passive midi merge boxes to allow everyone a chance to be master and a chance to be slave. Usually if I'm wearing my bondage biker gear, you know chaps without jeans, and Rick has on his fetish mask with the zipper mouth and latex body suit, its easy to..Oops I'm sorry I thought I was responding to the S&M blog site.my apologies. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C95D34.64BA8E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When my brother and I do duo or trio gigs, we sync = our looperlatives up and away we go. The looperlative makes syncing easy as there is a = separate record function for the person acting as the master (sync = record/overdub) and the person acting as the slave (midi sync record/overdub). Simply by = having both presets to use, this does away with the complication of having a = midi patch bay determining the master slave relationship, and you can even = forgo a midi merge box  if you have a midi controller that has a midi in = and can act as a thru for the midi clock. If you add more loopers you could use = passive midi merge boxes to allow everyone a chance to be master and a chance to = be slave. Usually if I’m wearing my bondage biker gear, you know = chaps without jeans, and Rick has on his fetish mask with the zipper mouth and = latex body suit, its easy to……Oops I’m sorry I thought I was responding to the S&M blog site…my apologies. =

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C95D34.64BA8E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 23:08:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97163BE7F; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:08:23 UTC Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:01:21 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T with New Language Collaborative 12.20.08 @119 Lowell, MA To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm performing video improvisations next Saturday with a very exciting jazz/improv band, the New Language Collaborative at the Boston area's most comfortable performance space, the 119 Gallery in Lowell. Doctor T Video Mixing with Eric Zinman - keyboard Glynis Loman - cello and voice Syd Smart - drums Eric and is an old friend whom I've never performed with. Glynis is another old friend whom I've performed with many times. Syd is a long time presence in the Boston jazz scene. I've heard this band make exciting music both live and on CD, and am looking forward to being a part of it. 8 PM $10 donation Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. http://www.119gallery.org/ 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell MA 01851 978-452-8138 -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 13 23:56:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B523BE86; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <9ab0c76f0812070513r48cbb6e2u5cf19f65d890646f@mail.gmail.com> <493C0B48.2080305@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0812071047x7adf20f1n83c64e64a75631db@mail.gmail.com> <493C3A9D.7030403@tiscali.co.uk> <493EEE1C.3090301@googlemail.com> <9ab0c76f0812091554y5f83dc6fka1ad120b64cc05ae@mail.gmail.com> <494258EF.9000607@googlemail.com> <001001c95c5c$e9bc7b00$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <05fa01c95d39$978f9be0$4201a8c0@Studio> <000f01c95d49$15eeff30$4201a8c0@Studio> Subject: Re: buying new comp - RAM, CPU or HD upgrade? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:56:19 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C95D7E.64EB6260" X-Vipre-Scanned: 06489E6500099C06489FB2 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:56:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C95D7E.64EB6260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4GB can be got for cheaper than $75 I think. Ditto for 250GB SATA = drives, which are nearly dirt compared with the 500's and 1TB drives out = there, which can cost as little as $100. You won't use up 300GB as is = for the moment either. The faster CPU should be installed and burned in by Dell. Do the CPU = option if you're going to do any of them. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J Johans=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: buying new comp - RAM, CPU or HD upgrade? the dell deals seem pretty good this is what i have specced: intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz /800mhz/2mb FSB 3gb shared dual channel DDR at 800mhz 300gig SATA hard drive 5400rppm now i have 3 choices for a $75 upgrade -=20 1) faster CPU - core 2 duo 2.2ghz/1066mhz/3mb FSB 2) more RAM - 4 GIG 3) faster hard drive - 250GB SATA hard drive 7200 RPM in your opinion, what would be the most beneficial upgrade for = reducing latency?=20 thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:42 +0000 I will of course, Byron. Thank you. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byron Howell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context I intend for each technological element to communicate in some way = with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you = posted on that. have put together a trio recently in which each musician is = utilising some form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic = or semi-acoustic instrument=20 Hey Ricky Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the project = ,as well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that = emerges when one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic = epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model for = consiousness...why? the death of an academic :)=20 but i brought it back to the music.. Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones process = of creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival of = the processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good = research on how we work and create and think.. Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or "spacious" Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how to = describe live looping or catagorise it. Yakady Byron but there i go babbling..... On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Thanks for the links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like = you've mentioned, I very much thought of looping within a solo performer = context. Now that i've been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for = ensemble practice, it has become a core focus of my work and I can = foresee that it will continue in this manner for quite some time. I have = put together a trio recently in which each musician is utilising some = form of interactive technology alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic = instrument. I intend for each technological element to communicate in = some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. I'll = keep you posted on that. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" = =20 To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM=20 Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context Great subject! I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping makes = playing solo easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which turned = into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. I did the first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins. But before I had great times to play with others into the same = delay machine. Some of the best recordings are on http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm The most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira, = David... The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I looked for = someone to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in his = overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I heard he = was druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few days before and = figured it out and it worked. And I started this week to edit the video! (learning...) I will tell you when I upload it. And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - which was = a bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring up this = social subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos of duo = recordings, with at least two players using loops most of the time? He = could not. I met very few Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGaJKp8KvABc Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUY Improvizone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo = (special case since Os does the looping) Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbA1srd_bczs (he = plays professionally with a band, but just him looping) Rick, Per and Pellef: = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7Hg Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even = better, but the best is to do it together!! Matthias On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: Hello Everyone, How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch = with me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. Cheers, Ricky --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 = - Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. 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4GB can be got for cheaper than $75 I=20 think.  Ditto for 250GB SATA drives, which are nearly dirt compared = with=20 the 500's and 1TB drives out there, which can cost as little as = $100.  You=20 won't use up 300GB as is for the moment either.
 
The faster CPU should be installed and = burned in=20 by Dell.  Do the CPU option if you're going to do any of = them.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=20 Johans
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, = 2008 5:50=20 PM
Subject: buying new comp - RAM, = CPU or HD=20 upgrade?



the dell deals seem = pretty=20 good

this is what i have specced:

intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz /800mhz/2mb FSB
3gb shared dual channel DDR at 800mhz
300gig SATA hard drive 5400rppm

now i have 3 choices for a $75 upgrade - 
1) faster CPU - core 2 duo 2.2ghz/1066mhz/3mb FSB
2) more RAM - 4 GIG
3) faster hard drive - 250GB SATA hard drive 7200 RPM

in your opinion, what would be the most beneficial upgrade for = reducing=20 latency? 
 

thanks

From: rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Live Looping in an = ensemble context
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:42 +0000

I will of course, Byron. Thank = you.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Byron=20 Howell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 13, = 2008 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: Live Looping in = an=20 ensemble context

 I intend for each technological element to = communicate=20 in some way with one another. I hope the results will be beneficial. = I'll=20 keep you posted on that.
 have put together a trio recently = in which=20 each musician is utilising some form of interactive technology = alongside=20 their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument=20

Hey Ricky

Please do keep the list posted...on the writing up of the = project ,as=20 well as the music that is. Very interested to see the form that = emerges when=20 one tries to put ones music/ musical concepts in words


For me, it perhaps was detrimental to the thesis.....cybernetic = epistemology centred around circularity and feedbackloop as a model = for=20 consiousness...why? the death  of an academic :) 

but i brought it back to the music..
Generate a whole new language it does......describing ones = process of=20 creation or rather of creating. that log of document, the archival = of the=20 processs is what the academics want, i think....makes for good = research on=20 how we work and create and think..
Wht does one mean by "clean" sound or "dirty" or = "spacious"
Iteresting because it does link up to that early thread of how = to=20 describe live looping or catagorise it.

Yakady
Byron


but there i go babbling.....





On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ricky = Graham=20 <rock.guitar.guru@btintern= et.com>=20 wrote:
Thanks for = the=20 links, Matthias. In beginning my research, like you've mentioned, = I very=20 much thought of looping within a solo performer context. Now that = i've=20 been made aware of the EDP and it's intention for ensemble = practice, it=20 has become a core focus of my work and I can foresee that it will = continue=20 in this manner for quite some time. I have put together a trio = recently in=20 which each musician is utilising some form of interactive = technology=20 alongside their acoustic or semi-acoustic instrument. I intend for = each=20 technological element to communicate in some way with one another. = I hope=20 the results will be beneficial. I'll keep you posted on=20 that.

Ricky


----- Original Message ----- From: = "Matthias=20 Grob" <matilists@atarde.com.br>=20

To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:33 AM=20

Subject: Re: Live Looping in an = ensemble=20 context


Great subject!

I allways felt a = bit sad that=20 although live looping makes playing solo easier, it might also = cause=20 people to stay alone.
One of the main reason to build the = LOOP delay=20 (which turned into the EDP) was the BrotherSync feature.
I = did the=20 first session with it in '92 with David Hopkins.
But before I = had=20 great times to play with others into the same delay = machine.
Some of=20 the best recordings are on
http://matthias.grob.or= g/pMusic/CDsE.htm
The=20 most intense duos have been with percussionists: Giba, Bira,=20  David...

The first festival I participated was = Loopstock. I=20 looked for someone  to bring me there and Jon Wagner = offered some=20 space in his overloaded fantastic old Volvo, next to all his = drums. When=20 I heard he was  druming, I asked to play together, so we = met a few=20 days before and  figured it out and it worked.
And I = started=20 this week to edit the video! (learning...)
I will tell you = when I=20 upload it.

And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play = with me -=20 which was a bit heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! =  ;-)

And today I talked with Per and he suggested to = bring=20 up this social subject more, and I said: can you point me at = videos of=20 duo  recordings, with at least two players using loops most = of the=20 time? He  could not. I met very few
Urban Nature: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DGaJKp8KvABc
Lur:=20 http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3D2ZIc1uPcZUY
Improvizone:=20 http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3D8lV3KN5g-fo=20 (special case since Os does the looping)
Mich Gerber: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DbA1srd_bczs=20 (he plays professionally with a band, but just him = looping)
Rick, Per=20 and Pellef: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DYAySrzSa7Hg

Yes,=20 to be social here is great, to meet at festivals is even better, =  but the best is to do it = together!!

Matthias

On 12=20 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote:

Hello=20 Everyone,

How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could = you get=20 in touch with  me as I'd like to ask you a few=20 = questions.

Cheers,

Ricky



=
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You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. Learn more=20 about Windows Live ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C95D7E.64EB6260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 00:04:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B03A3BE87; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping in an ensemble context Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:04:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c95d7f$8c55c1f0$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9726862F2E2D43C7B367FC85B045AE6F@williamsteed> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:04:57 +0000 (UTC) > If you add more loopers you could use passive midi merge boxes to > allow everyone a chance to be master and a chance to be slave. Usually > if I'm wearing my bondage biker gear, you know chaps without jeans, and > Rick has on his fetish mask with the zipper mouth and latex body suit, > its easy to..Oops I'm sorry I thought I was responding to the S&M blog site.my apologies. Lol. Too funny!! I don't wanna know this :) --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 00:17:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516CA3BE89; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <25945EF3-CFB9-4093-95A2-C8E1D44A34F0@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081213235634.9F8473BE8B@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: buying new comp Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:17:26 +0100 References: <20081213235634.9F8473BE8B@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:17:31 +0000 (UTC) would still be interesting, if the atari remains to have a better midi timing, then todays interfaces. it was still like that in 98, when i compared a ppc 7300 with the stf... phew, back then. just for fun i compared the performance index of my pizmo (213) with my ibook g4 1.2 (607) and my macbook 2.4GHz dual core (3112). isn't that hilarious? while the unlisted ppc 7300/166 mhz must have had a PI of about 60-80 i assume, that atari seems unreachably way down in the stone age of computers, but it's midi was already groovy and stable. compared to that then the zx81, which was my very first computer, seems kind of precambrian. Mine had 8KB of RAM, ...yes, ...kilobyte... now back to your new computer: it should be fast enough. enjoy it! j - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:56 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Re: buying new comp > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM, jayrope LD > wrote: >> wanna buy my atari 1040stf? > > > No thanks. I still have my Atari ST 1040 that I purchased in 1988. > ...but no software for it ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 00:22:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2339B3BE8B; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:22:02 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20GIG=20SPAM=A0=20=A0=20Rick=20Walker's=20DAY?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?GLO=20ORANGE=20PLASTIC=20live=20performance=20Sat=20Dec=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?20,=A0=20Santa=20Cruz,=20California?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c29.49fbbfc7.3675abaa_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:22:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c29.49fbbfc7.3675abaa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 12/13/08 7:59:25 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > you are let in for FREE if you are attired in > goth/industrial and/or steampunk attire. >=20 und billy bob sprechen: <> do i detect a TREND here with the WALKER BOYZ?.....help an old guy out, i=20 have an idea of GOTH dress but, industrial/steampunk?.....nevermind, that's=20 OT.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and=20 favorite sites in one place. 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In a message dated 12/13/08 7:59:25 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


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und billy bob sprechen:

<<I=E2=80=99m wearing my bondage biker gear, you know chaps without je= ans, and Rick has on his fetish mask with the zipper mouth and latex body su= it>>


do i detect a TREND here with the WALKER BOYZ?.....help an old guy out, i ha= ve an idea of GOTH dress but, industrial/steampunk?.....nevermind, that's OT= .....:)m

"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

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(http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c29.49fbbfc7.3675abaa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 02:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784D83BE84; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=uL8lCaisjbtl9ua1lb3nN1p0mrwAYC855luRQps10V8=; b=WIejzBbQ362ocMu3pxUKz7vIHlYzvKoF9ctpjcYifB18e+3N44aaIXGZORgY1zIqV6 q+nhmMcNukBAaOY1zxqknpYeMwDgpHJEqTbhBWv1DO/VRUQHD94nLAfWObo/3TD+V4Ve iZ9kzfpN6IG8MLqKQC2e3jIKKy/aapJkuQnec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q0MqmkhauG1rxV8ITFWZ2mZtwfolAmtioJan7m1Kc1pnvoBUdyP1V7pCLBwQkJgl7a 0pKwY2to+S2Du18AHo0PgnvP2qK2YOaoJ9zK42O7hqvv7aJB97qQxotY8szC3m2t5jA+ ymR1wGbeYiMN/U/JT3y5BjtogNw158SOQpqII= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:29:08 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) In-Reply-To: <3AB5EB62-956C-457A-BCDE-D4B5D27E7D89@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5EB62-956C-457A-BCDE-D4B5D27E7D89@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 10a87b6e6aed2be2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi BobC, I tried using the DSP mixer and...now I'm confused. No matter what I set the mixer input levels to, ableton picks up a little bit of sound (too low to know what the sound is though), but only when I am sending it sound. I'm not sure what that means, maybe the inputs are broken and can only transmit a little static when given an audio signal? the mixer itself doesn't show current input volumes, so I just messed with the line in levels to find out what I said above while watching the levels in live. So..not sure where to go from here but I've tested just about everything now. I'll be calling support on monday but if anyone has any suggestions before then I'd appreciate them. thanks -Nick On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:07 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Nick wrote: > >> should I assume the box's inputs are >> broken all of a sudden? >> >> is there any way for me to test to see if the box's hardware is broken >> for sure, other than the deductive logic I just used to conclude that? > > > Have you tried the DSP mixer? > It might provide a clue as to what is happening. > > > regards > > BobC > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set > > http://www.youtube.com/tynego > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 02:55:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68173BE7F; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Ptn577SmElxHb37o2ON/ed20tAPrFUTJBFE1EnyMxaU=; b=alAQqE+eW+dMCBTZMGSeuba1iMWIM/gr6+bNWRfxfEGGPOI2YExY7eJctgb1lPuT5A zi4u/uU9a6uNHaGI85JmmC1w8DBcmwDV2rurx9VvI/x02gMu+1KMbyMBjGmy615QPEIJ gvZRMKGVrnX8Ey4bzDr52cReLRa56daTkctNk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=xaSe6W3a93cjIzEgwevp6qJlLBGBMJxgZZgCF/PLDWwzopvBMdBX1fUyDdptGfv1d+ JNIMLKHJvMuD0Zd2g9CoAxy7zMU6nYjwHMaQDSeJdY2BBlaEbEpOJNWvR2EKkTMz6zYU rcqTEQZLFb6iGkSejHILFSnvkx4lXofo27veo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5EB62-956C-457A-BCDE-D4B5D27E7D89@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:55:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <7wLK0B.A.smH.-WHRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:55:58 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 13, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Nick wrote: > the > mixer itself doesn't show current input volumes, so I just messed with > the line in levels to find out what I said above while watching the > levels in live. Why doesn't the mixer show input volume? That seems like a basic function. > > So..not sure where to go from here but I've tested just about > everything now. Sorry if this is too obvious but have you looked at the Audio/MIDI Setup utility recently? Are outputs as desired? Is the sampling rate output as desired? Look at the sliders there, have any mutes in the output been activated? If you have ruled out cables and hardware, you might try Cycling 74's Soundflower and see if a configuration with that would help. Email me directly if you want to follow up considering OT. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 06:29:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123FF3BE85; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:29:28 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jwMv1st4dJWoTDO9fFKPz4b18u1rGiz6FW16jGvmSzuOVvR8eDzMQmsGsUTfSgJctl74T9yZvW6SCK5IJNK6Zc03IQK3Rmih5ouiyMZY6CC+Lg7muDD8uPkzlwCtih9ut9ziYnKvBCXC2o8drx+IxnqXqN8ZRfKEF/LAuww3DTg=; X-YMail-OSG: RFvQufYVM1njF7ASD9Zz8S3fZbvGG1tBgz9HWoVQqG9zwUypRmhMdzfyNdGIExb2TzMqntR254pJ1hgIPjlaq5gEAricihA3NwIyuczcOnptUhBrNAmiWGfJQyAwaIW5i1yQL3ltnD456KMRAeG407gitJ_PKXcTvNO.BS_lRlBZiqFtMlzH9poiEeCKzQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Marshall Reply-To: agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-225991717-1229235767=:3259" Message-ID: <264265.3259.qm@web51504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:29:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-225991717-1229235767=:3259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Okay -I see some of you are talking about guitar tuning so I just though= t I would dive into the pool with my thoughts =A0about alternate and open t= unings.=A0=A0 I enjoy simple open tunings on my acoustic guitar as well as = on my electric, though the electric is=A0more suited =A0for the fairly esot= eric systems made famous by Sonic Youth,=A0even if=A0they learned from amon= g others, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham. For many of their tunings they aba= ndon conventional string gauges all together! The trick is to use only 3 si= ze strings strung in pairs. This gives you wonderful drones and dissonances= that are quite impossible with normal gauge strings.=A0 I use the followin= g set up low to high.=A0=A0=20 38-38-28-28-18-18=A0but for the record SY uses slightly lighter strings in= =A036-36-26-26-17-17=20 Tuning these strings to their normal pitch as they would be pitched in a re= gular set this gives you the notes=A0A-A=A0 D-D G-G=A0=A0=A0Note that there= is less than an octave between the lowest and highest notes=A0=A0 Tuning t= he G's up to A gives you the octave if you wish and a very usable power cho= rd as well.=A0=A0 AA DD AA=A0 Of course there are many many ways you can tu= ne this wonderful set of strings.=A0 If you have any interest in this I wou= ld be happy to give you some more of SY's tuning as well as some of mine an= d some links fur furthur research. I can also give you some tips on=A0guita= r set up. The nut often=A0doesn't take to this very well and often needs so= me tweaking as does the intonation.=A0=A0=A0Finally I must say that cranked= through a tube amp, these tunings give you sounds that you CAN NOT get any= other way.=A0=A0 Really.=A0=A0=20 =A0 thanks for this great web group!! =A0 Marc =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-225991717-1229235767=:3259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 Okay -I see some of you are talking about guitar tuning so I just thought I would dive into the pool with my thoughts  about alternate and open tunings.   I enjoy simple open tunings on my acoustic guitar as well as on my electric, though the electric is more suited  for the fairly esoteric systems made famous by Sonic Youth, even if they learned from among others, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham. For many of their tunings they abandon conventional string gauges all together! The trick is to use only 3 size strings strung in pairs. This gives you wonderful drones and dissonances that are quite impossible with normal gauge strings.  I use the following set up low to high.  
38-38-28-28-18-18 but for the record SY uses slightly lighter strings in 36-36-26-26-17-17
Tuning these strings to their normal pitch as they would be pitched in a regular set this gives you the notes A-A  D-D G-G   Note that there is less than an octave between the lowest and highest notes   Tuning the G's up to A gives you the octave if you wish and a very usable power chord as well.   AA DD AA  Of course there are many many ways you can tune this wonderful set of strings.  If you have any interest in this I would be happy to give you some more of SY's tuning as well as some of mine and some links fur furthur research. I can also give you some tips on guitar set up. The nut often doesn't take to this very well and often needs some tweaking as does the intonation.   Finally I must say that cranked through a tube amp, these tunings give you sounds that you CAN NOT get any other way.   Really.  
 
thanks for this great web group!!
 
Marc
  

--0-225991717-1229235767=:3259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 12:12:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD9C3BE85; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 119131017/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.254.102/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.254.102 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusAABuHRElPTv5m/2dsb2JhbAAIzjiCfoQM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,218,1228089600"; d="scan'208";a="119131017" Message-ID: <4944F93C.8050503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:17:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Nick wrote: > Rainer, > > thanks for the advice. it seems the problem occurs somewhere between > the input into the firebox and ableton live reading the input. as that > is the only program I have that lets me choose the input channels, im > not sure how to determine if the issue is hardware or software. also, > I reinstalled the firmware on the firebox and restarted my imac and no > change. > > actually, I just tested the firebox connected to my macbook pro with a > fresh install of ableton and a mic plugged in to input line 3 (where > the pad previously was) and it's still at about 10% input volume. that seems to be working perfectly then, you won't get a lot of volume plugging a mic into a line socket. > Unless there's a control for the input volume on the firebox (which I > don't see for the line ins) should I assume the box's inputs are > broken all of a sudden? > > is there any way for me to test to see if the box's hardware is broken > for sure, other than the deductive logic I just used to conclude that? you're logic is good, but your apparent assumption that you should get a good strong signal putting a mic into a line socket would lead to the wrong conclusion. Try a line source that you know to be working, with a lead that you know to be working. Or try the Kaos pad and it's lead into some other device to checkit andy > > Thanks, > Nick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 12:46:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEEA13BE85; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.121] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <264265.3259.qm@web51504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:46:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_022E_01C95DAF.414969C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2008 12:46:07.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEF77E10:01C95DE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C95DAF.414969C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love tuning my guitar in stacked minor or major seconds...makes for = some very interesting music and thinking outside the box... K- ------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C95DAF.414969C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love tuning my guitar in stacked = minor or=20 major seconds...makes for some very interesting music and thinking = outside=20 the box...
 
K-
------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C95DAF.414969C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 13:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA373BE88; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2B5A5DF46F3B4D80BFD5F709610DBAB8@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Korg Kaossilator? Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:23:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C95DEF.18F9F0D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:22:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C95DEF.18F9F0D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001A_01C95DEF.18F9F0D0" ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C95DEF.18F9F0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, I know the Kaossilator has been discussed here before, my question is = really about a specific application. I know it's primarily designed as a dance music/DJ tool/toy, but I = wonder if it is any good for creating those trancy/psychodelic=20 type washes - arpegiator/delays/etc. without having to tie up a whole = synth/module to them? Any thoughts? Thanks. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C95DEF.18F9F0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Hi,
 
I know the Kaossilator has been discussed here before, my question = is=20 really about a specific application.
 
I know it's primarily designed as a dance music/DJ tool/toy, but I = wonder=20 if it is any good for creating those trancy/psychodelic

type washes - arpegiator/delays/etc. without having to tie up a whole = synth/module to them? Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

Ian.

 

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Never tried that... yet. But I have practiced "unusual" intervals in flute playing by using a continuous foot pedal to transform pitch with varying grades of offset. In order to learn it "as an instrument" you have to play with headphones that blocks out the acoustic flute sound. So you're sort of feeds the brain with a systematically recalculated pitch in regard to the usual outcome from those instrument playing reflexes you have previously learned. It's interesting to notice how this affects your musical instincts to come up with new strategies for bringing out your expression. With guitar I sometimes change tuning by ear. In the beginning this was a practice to "tweak the tuning until it sounds inspiring" and then play "not knowing the sounding notes" in a mode of discovering new chords. However, quite soon I discovered that I couldn't help hearing what note each string hooked on to anyway. So I moved more into using that technique as a tool for performing or composing. Like if I have a certain passage in mind that may be hard to finger on a guitar I may simply change the tuning. This is also something I learned in order to meet certain demands form others when working as a studio musician and having to play one particular thing just once but in the best sounding way. Alternate tuning was one usual trick - other tricks were "putting a match/chop stick/icecream stick on the nut to soften attack and sustain for slide playing, gaffer taping to mute strings that you don't play during a certain take, gaffer taping tiny loud speakers to the guitar body to make a line-in guitar take sound as played loudly in front of an amp, hanging small objects to the strings to make them sound different (metal paper clips, wedding rings etc etc). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 14:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E563BE86; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=VwatP5c3PhxiPX0i9Oj0GLU/nCHVCXkPvnURA5eEyb0=; b=ictovs4iUUZJI0PRWHKUnMjTdAy6v18DefzvDP70f8E27D7b0kVNpyiFBUeQEHpBoj XBojfgo09B8FYJEwIPtsTEi/dXs0Zb/rE4aN6H57Vj9kUyCd29txSXRWSh7FS5q118n3 bDKDbs6pQi5cpfy1qD6yrmeuNneDxmoi83uI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NhUVObfK27353uBiAsd6dS7v8rRi8oGyjkGvnku8DnWZ8vteK2Mz/nKCSiYrCUtC0l wPE8gaIuIAko+UZtRU4PAfakugY5a4UyQtfPaTB/hEqWD2nDkkqzxoPyGqkNUbhzSKyo emLay2jmP4OppaMURBLec+zzMxkklZoGQctjg= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812140646k30018957r3cd4fdf7665d21c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:46:11 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg Kaossilator? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:46:13 +0000 (UTC) > I know it's primarily designed as a dance music/DJ tool/toy, but I wonder if it is any good for creating those trancy/psychodelic > type washes - arpegiator/delays/etc. without having to tie up a whole synth/module to them? Any thoughts? The Kaossilator (imo) is, as you say, a toy. It is also designed in a way so that you can't use it for anything else. There are no arpeggios I remember, as for delays, almost all lead sounds have a (non configurable/adjustable) beat-synced delay effect applied to them. If I was to do synth playing with my fingers on a 2d controller, I'd use any of my other Kaoss Pads and connect it to my Nord Micromodular. However, there are people who do actually use it to make proper music. The canonical statement to that effect is http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/30442 by list member Nico Spahni (free download). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 14:48:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E483BE88; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=MRDMWY+KddN0Mubc0MAtYPAQRIEGhfB+PPQbgDQMOXU=; b=IDWZbwPJBiLPZTQ5zTc/mesQSv+pxxx+YOON5cwob109W+d/M0cvvePz7kmi0TkBNV POt1Zkg27Ncn1VnB+utsnDjMfmF5PjE3sQEOsJTGqyGrbGRgde3i/3sQ2jiZC1QnIYnY VFrslFqxT8SRabStjBbF8u4KfX7BuRtybNu3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Xtnr3gyqAwUJIDik11w2oIp0SiiM4ohK0co7hwNDEv7T2QGcDeAZh1Z3wkmAPt7cfX qsSnfN8TTwNK/tp5OMQfgdSupGu+gULxV4vxYBv0BjkQi4z2o5iqCDpm4LzWtSXp7sgQ xhfTIe6UIyjjd6yvMQELabzf0bIaiIeKWPLe0= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812140640u17e72535g8409d66954729a1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:40:56 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Nick, don't know whether I followed all of the steps you used so far, but to pinpoint the failure exactly to the Firebox (which I assume you're trying to do): Take a source which you know which works. As you will also be testing line inputs, it shouldn't be a microphone. A synthesizer, a tape deck, a CD player...whatever. Connect the Firebox to your computer, don't start any Ableton Live etc., only start the Firebox Mixer software. Configure it so the Firebox's headphones monitor the sw mixer output (I believe you have to lick on the "Main" button in that left row of buttons). Connect your "known good" source to the inputs you want to test (3+4 in your example). Solo these tracks and see if you can hear them in your headphones. Of course, knowing that the headphone output works helps here, but you should be able to test that e.g. with Live. If it works, then the inputs are obviously ok. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 14:53:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C234C3BE89; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Z/6AiF50Xo+VtQb7/RXf4VBWzLm3+A/bIbNkzHIjQ7bbVHZD3mtUuNjYfcrzF/e9Sfnan3qetHF/mIlVa3qLFboUjaBp57ld5qfw3VjENiPzbkTCHGTOsBJjXY5qumPU0FX/lievr5u0TRdVjfsEZ3v0ZKJZwxqDbRYMuVx7Qbc=; X-YMail-OSG: mmEvN9EVM1lS_WjYolelz7yn1RW.7FwwFxfNBRvdJFQ4sUgNJKTvzIOx10BR0zxeHHYd6Ht9UQ7d5sU5axojOCqWHea6imLGgLWwrTvacZxj.0KaLlmKc_6t9FJs8TYQh4RQSBwIHPl.S5wjuy.rQAtymsqhT..Uw1tasuvBcSGrAm7ArHXaXxZNZahdntr6iOIcVHsA5SfF5qjcyZKHg3ic0oXemFo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Marshall Reply-To: agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812140552u39f1edb0u1937a85714649afb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-60808288-1229266419=:87299" Message-ID: <904435.87299.qm@web51507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:53:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-60808288-1229266419=:87299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fred Frith did some great work with some of those techniques mentioned here= and other unusual=A0ones.=A0=A0 He put a pickup=A0near the nut and a drums= tick or something=A0=A0around the=A08th fret =A0dividing the fretboard in h= alf . He fed each pickup into=A0it's own volume pedal.=A0=A0=A0stereo sonic= mayhem.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0way cool=A0=20 --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 8:52 AM On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love tuning my guitar in stacked minor or major seconds...makes for som= e > very interesting music and thinking outside the box... > > K- Wow, that's advanced. Never tried that... yet. But I have practiced "unusual" intervals in flute playing by using a continuous foot pedal to transform pitch with varying grades of offset. In order to learn it "as an instrument" you have to play with headphones that blocks out the acoustic flute sound. So you're sort of feeds the brain with a systematically recalculated pitch in regard to the usual outcome from those instrument playing reflexes you have previously learned. It's interesting to notice how this affects your musical instincts to come up with new strategies for bringing out your expression. With guitar I sometimes change tuning by ear. In the beginning this was a practice to "tweak the tuning until it sounds inspiring" and then play "not knowing the sounding notes" in a mode of discovering new chords. However, quite soon I discovered that I couldn't help hearing what note each string hooked on to anyway. So I moved more into using that technique as a tool for performing or composing. Like if I have a certain passage in mind that may be hard to finger on a guitar I may simply change the tuning. This is also something I learned in order to meet certain demands form others when working as a studio musician and having to play one particular thing just once but in the best sounding way. Alternate tuning was one usual trick - other tricks were "putting a match/chop stick/icecream stick on the nut to soften attack and sustain for slide playing, gaffer taping to mute strings that you don't play during a certain take, gaffer taping tiny loud speakers to the guitar body to make a line-in guitar take sound as played loudly in front of an amp, hanging small objects to the strings to make them sound different (metal paper clips, wedding rings etc etc). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6550 =0A=0A=0A --0-60808288-1229266419=:87299 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Fred Frith did some great work with some of those techniques mentioned here and other unusual ones.   He put a pickup near the nut and a drumstick or something  around the 8th fret  dividing the fretboard in half . He fed each pickup into it's own volume pedal.   stereo sonic mayhem.         way cool 


--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 8:52 AM

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Krispen Hartung
<info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:
> I love tuning my guitar in stacked minor or major seconds...makes for some
> very interesting music and thinking outside the box...
>
> K-

Wow, that's advanced. Never tried that... yet. But I have practiced
"unusual" intervals in flute playing by using a continuous foot pedal
to transform pitch with varying grades of offset. In order to learn it
"as an instrument" you have to play with headphones that blocks out
the acoustic flute sound. So you're sort of feeds the brain with a
systematically recalculated pitch in regard to the usual outcome from
those instrument playing reflexes you have previously learned. It's
interesting to notice how this affects your musical instincts to come
up with new strategies for bringing out your expression.

With guitar I sometimes change tuning by ear. In the beginning this
was a practice to "tweak the tuning until it sounds inspiring" and
then play "not knowing the sounding notes"  in a mode of discovering
new chords. However, quite soon I discovered that I couldn't help
hearing what note each string hooked on to anyway. So I moved more
into using that technique as a tool for performing or composing. Like
if I have a certain passage in mind that may be hard to finger on a
guitar I may simply change the tuning. This is also something I
learned in order to meet certain demands form others when working as a
studio musician and having to play one particular thing just once but
in the best sounding way. Alternate tuning was one usual trick - other
tricks were "putting a match/chop stick/icecream stick on the nut to
soften attack and sustain for slide playing, gaffer taping to mute
strings that you don't play during a certain take, gaffer taping tiny
loud speakers to the guitar body to make a line-in guitar take sound
as played loudly in front of an amp, hanging small objects to the
strings to make them sound different (metal paper clips, wedding rings
etc etc).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550


--0-60808288-1229266419=:87299-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 15:33:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EC743BE7E; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=0CmNtXhNQ2WFzPypeD6g6uLEPUfKfEFXR42vS/4mhqs=; b=p5xqRE1SqiAZiqw/yoPhZRzdNR7jnC+pZmsHD4NkGpZqOz05AOjMEzipXOHAgS9JxN hA5s9lALqXAvyWQDeEhuZejJx/qQsND5gMD9pCLmDoINRLm9Rj+Fbr+alAteufpYfCBQ IepqNsbg5Mo8X+I3tSnr23+xbofnJOMTT9y5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BzJMRfWO2TqB77J2ogepO4RYj7Q4hGb+btXhDhCLiUcjOKqaEDQGsBi7Ez6ZZTXNDU Zd4zcq5rzD8e/zl9Rqznn+JO0jFQOwtmvS6uZ5dMtsn0w0WLLdYszba0W3527z/Sw4k5 eyblIjGVR3uqB9tIAKqRYAb00L4I2SQXBSZKA= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812140733n3e9961beve3f876f049e61256@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:33:42 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LOOPASTERY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:33:46 +0000 (UTC) The Loopastery (which, I assume, is the high seat of the religion of Loopism) would also make sense from a tax standpoint (isn't there this tax exepmtion regulation?). So we'd have Michael as the frater caffeinorum, Rick as the frater rhytmicorum...who else? Abbot? Abbes Primas? Prior? ;) (and could I join, perhaps as the frater computatorum or something like this with a nifty title?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 15:59:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E763BE88; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20081214062929.99F5E3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081214062929.99F5E3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: video looping installation Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: <012601c95e05$19b77270$4d265750$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcldtVOc42SIlNhBRWWfYCux2421LQATkITw Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {F41235F8-1658-434A-B2DB-D2995C6F0EA0} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: ABOV AKxr Ac8b B3ck CHhz C7p6 DMKL FYkI H/9b IF2u ISSs JUvF KKGf LCGz LQMN L21b;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{F41235F8-1658-434A-B2DB-D2995C6F0EA0};dABqAHQAQABuAG8AcwB1AGMAaAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:00:23 GMT;dgBpAGQAZQBvACAAbABvAG8AcABpAG4AZwAgAGkAbgBzAHQAYQBsAGwAYQB0AGkAbwBuAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:59:59 +0000 (UTC) A video looping installation that you can interact with is currently on display in the front window of the ATA theater on Valencia Street (near 21st) in San Francisco: http://www.atasite.org/calendar/?x=3445 The bottom of that page has a youtube video with samples. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 16:45:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C0D3BE7E; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48A4BCF4D0E3417288D785856763F696@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <7334ca1b0812140646k30018957r3cd4fdf7665d21c6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Korg Kaossilator? Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:45:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <6hef4B.A.aQ.xgTRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Rainer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Korg Kaossilator? >> I know it's primarily designed as a dance music/DJ tool/toy, but I wonder >> if it is any good for creating those trancy/psychodelic >> type washes - arpegiator/delays/etc. without having to tie up a whole >> synth/module to them? Any thoughts? > > The Kaossilator (imo) is, as you say, a toy. It is also designed in a > way so that you can't use it for anything else. There are no arpeggios > I remember, as for delays, almost all lead sounds have a (non > configurable/adjustable) beat-synced delay effect applied to them. If > I was to do synth playing with my fingers on a 2d controller, I'd use > any of my other Kaoss Pads and connect it to my Nord Micromodular. > > However, there are people who do actually use it to make proper music. > The canonical statement to that effect is > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/30442 by list member Nico Spahni (free > download). > > Rainer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 16:49:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BFE33BE7E; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05A36D8F422B452D8898E00CE80E0C78@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7334ca1b0812140733n3e9961beve3f876f049e61256@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: LOOPASTERY Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:11 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 09E7EB4000099C09E7EC8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:24 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: LOOPASTERY > The Loopastery (which, I assume, is the high seat of the religion of > Loopism) would also make sense from a tax standpoint (isn't there this > tax exepmtion regulation?). So we'd have Michael as the frater > caffeinorum, Rick as the frater rhytmicorum...who else? Abbot? Abbes > Primas? Prior? ;) > > (and could I join, perhaps as the frater computatorum or something > like this with a nifty title?) Might I make an additional suggestion that, when meeting together in sekrit, we all wear bathrobes with the ties round our heads? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 18:15:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C773BE85; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:15:42 EST Subject: Re: video looping installation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cca.42c57ea9.3676a74e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:15:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cca.42c57ea9.3676a74e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes: > http://www.atasite.org/calendar/?x=3445 > tim!.....great video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the music and videos.....thanks for the fun afternoon.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --part1_cca.42c57ea9.3676a74e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes:


http://www.atasite.or= g/calendar/?x=3D3445


tim!.....great video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the musi= c and videos.....thanks for the fun afternoon.....:)m



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
Make your life easier with all your=20= friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_cca.42c57ea9.3676a74e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 18:37:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0163BE84; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "eterogeneo" To: References: Subject: Re: video looping installation Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:37:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0201_01C95E23.6E30FBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp7.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <24ihLB.A.OmE.6JVRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:37:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C95E23.6E30FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice installation and this one is also great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8-04KrT2hRM&eurl=3Dhttp://nosuch.com/tjt= / Fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: video looping installation In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes: http://www.atasite.org/calendar/?x=3D3445 tim!.....great video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the = music and videos.....thanks for the fun afternoon.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites = in one place. Try it now. = (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntao= lcom00000010)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: = 14/12/2008 12.28 ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C95E23.6E30FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice installation and = this one is=20 also great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8-04KrT2hRM&eurl=3Dht= tp://nosuch.com/tjt/
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
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In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 = AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes:


http://www.atasite.org= /calendar/?x=3D3445


tim!.....great=20 video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the music and=20 videos.....thanks for the fun = afternoon.....:)m



"EVERYTHING YOU=20 KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har10
www.ct-collective.com




**************
Make your = life easier=20 with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it = now.=20 = (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3D= emlcntaolcom00000010)=20



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------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C95E23.6E30FBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 14 21:00:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E36A3BE89; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.14.0.081024 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:00:05 -0800 Subject: Re: video looping installation From: Qua Veda To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: video looping installation Thread-Index: AcleLvBPJwKs4mu02UWslkW49Bddbg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3312104407_4961957" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:00:09 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3312104407_4961957 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Great! Love this one, Fabio -Qua On 12/14/08 10:37 AM, "eterogeneo" wrote: > Nice installation and this one is also great: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-04KrT2hRM&eurl=http://nosuch.com/tjt/ > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:15 PM >> >> Subject: Re: video looping installation >> >> >> >> In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes: >> >> >> >> http://www.atasite.org/calendar/?x=3445 >> >> >> tim!.....great video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the music >> and videos.....thanks for the fun afternoon.....:)m >> >> >> >> "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater >> >> new groovy tunes at: >> http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 >> www.ct-collective.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in >> one place. Try it now. >> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom000000 >> 10) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 14/12/2008 >> 12.28 >> --B_3312104407_4961957 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: video looping installation Great!  Love this one,  Fabio

-Qua


On 12/14/08 10:37 AM, "eterogeneo" <info@eterogeneo.com> wrote:

Nice installation and this one is also great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8-04KrT2hRM&eurl=3Dhttp://nosuch.= com/tjt/

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com <http://www.etero= geneo.com>
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo <= http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo>


----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Nemoguitt@aol.com
 
To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com  
 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:15  PM
 
Subject: Re: video looping  installation
 


In a message dated 12/14/08 11:00:13 AM, tjt@nosuc= h.com writes:


 
http://www.atasite.org/ca= lendar/?x=3D3445


tim!.....great  video.....went to your website and really enjoyed the = music and  videos.....thanks for the fun afternoon.....:)m



"EVERYTHING YOU  KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuch= ar10
www.ct-collective.com <http://www= .ct-collective.com>





**************
Make your life easier  with all your friends, email, and favorite site= s in one place. Try it now.  (http://www.aol.com/?= optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000010) &nbs= p;

 




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--B_3312104407_4961957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 01:47:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E051D3BE7F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NCeU0fDJmYAHjxvc2V7qdJKGsxb4U+7CGdE6kMFT/Z4=; b=SjtP+wbd8ZiA3XSa05EiQsUXHPsIIMn+xH+vHJv1Abh+uObTbkYcbiSQTGfMJej+Sn 9pL6vxfnXNCbVCYAWvD/R2EwUkDuyg8y51OYaNJVvlsxqH6alB5I5ce85unCW1o6RBO+ hQUbWEsGN09DcbHZla4i9YFIuj72iBiEq3GVQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PMXnOlJcrRROewQkyX7CPyks/xVHLHdKSMCDm64/6ZpXJYlCi0uCR4FL4VMGucfokz yfzh3815LLItnrj/Ad/ninrVqin0I68cK2Y+9nUYaxYevWLHbVhgx8t+hGeeDCjyTwiZ h293PrS2qeTbDyJ6WlVFhBM+NBhL0dvBpjpK0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:47:43 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: live/firebox/kaoss pad problems (not sure which but something's wrong) In-Reply-To: <4944F93C.8050503@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0812120930q3d6af0f5m22aca7c22a2cb0e2@mail.gmail.com> <4944F93C.8050503@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f3eb789e940dbb4e Resent-Message-ID: <5bAkvD.A.M_B.GdbRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:47:52 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all your help guys. it turns out it was my lack of knowledge that made this so painful. I didn't realize that the line ins would pick up so little sound when the mic was plugged in, and it's my only other device capable of inputting to the box besides the pad. turns out the cable going from the pad to the firebox just recently broke and that was the whole problem. after swapping the cables everything works fine now. thanks again for all the help! -Nick On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Nick wrote: >> >> Rainer, >> >> thanks for the advice. it seems the problem occurs somewhere between >> the input into the firebox and ableton live reading the input. as that >> is the only program I have that lets me choose the input channels, im >> not sure how to determine if the issue is hardware or software. also, >> I reinstalled the firmware on the firebox and restarted my imac and no >> change. >> >> actually, I just tested the firebox connected to my macbook pro with a >> fresh install of ableton and a mic plugged in to input line 3 (where >> the pad previously was) and it's still at about 10% input volume. > > that seems to be working perfectly then, > you won't get a lot of volume plugging a mic into a line socket. > >> Unless there's a control for the input volume on the firebox (which I >> don't see for the line ins) should I assume the box's inputs are >> broken all of a sudden? >> >> is there any way for me to test to see if the box's hardware is broken >> for sure, other than the deductive logic I just used to conclude that? > > you're logic is good, > but your apparent assumption that you should get a good strong signal > putting > a mic into a line socket would lead to the wrong conclusion. > > Try a line source that you know to be working, with a lead > that you know to be working. > > Or try the Kaos pad and it's lead into some other device to checkit > > andy > > >> >> Thanks, >> Nick >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 03:53:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ABF63BE7C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:53:15 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Marc Marshall wrote about his alteration of Sonic Youth's altered tuning setup: "I use the following set up low to high. 38-38-28-28-18-18 but for the record SY uses slightly lighter strings in 36-36-26-26-17-17" Thanks for sharing that tuning, Marc. I can't wait to try it out. I always wondered if it would be okay to use all 38s or equivalent and then tune the guitar down so that it wouldn't be bad for the neck. I always thought it would be really cool to have guitar tuned C C C C C C, just for the sake of overtone manipulation only. Anyone have thoughts on this? would I seriously screw up my strat to do that? Additionally, I wanted to try something like C C C C Eb Eb. In this way you'd have open tuned barr minor chords with a very simple double bar up one fret for major chords. Distortion and Feedback just love simple open tunings. I even thought if you set the action hi that you could use a normal slide on the first finger and a pinky slide on the pinky for moeveable simple diadic chords. I like the idea of using really heavy gauged strings just for their resonance value but , again, am not sure if I"d screw my guitar up attempting it. I'm just a drummer (frater ritmacorum as Rainer so cleverly puts it) so I await your collective guitar player wisdom). There's a ton of young musicians in my town who are fascinated by the whole noise scene so I'm trying to put on a little mini noise festival at Meta Music and mostly play guitar into it (with maybe some Shenai, Zurna and Euphonium). Towards that end, I just went and checked out the Steve Vai distortion pedal to possibly add to my small arsenal of distortion pedals.............it looks really nice . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 03:58:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2D433BE84; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4945D605.2000003@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:59:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: video looping installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9k03gB.A.5nF.-XdRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Dear Tim, This is really great. Would you consider coming to perform as a video looper at the next Y2K9 Festival next October 14-18? I'd love it if you either did that or even just came and displayed video looping using whoever was onstage as a video source to loop. I'm becoming fascinated through my own work in lo fi toy video cam 'animations' of my own Abstract Electronic tunes with the notion of looping and manipulating visuals while simultaneously looping music performances. Have you worked much with Jitter towards that end in your own work? I thought it might be hip to trigger looped videos from the live loop midi outs possible with the Looperlative, EDP and Repeater (or whatever laptop software people are using). I have an M Audio trigger finger that I could use to further manipulate the video loops in such a scenario but I'm in the very , very beginning stages of this idea (yeah!!!! I just bought my first video projector this past week). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 03:59:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7883BE7C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <60465.72.51.1229313570.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <9812E100-D9A7-4FE0-9DF9-CAAF0E6A9096@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <9812E100-D9A7-4FE0-9DF9-CAAF0E6A9096@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:59:30 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context.....what gear do u use? From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey Steve and Bill, Thanks for the feedback. So far it seems like everyone is using Looperlatives for live synced looping. Is there anyone out there using laptops for this? Steve what problems did you have with the laptop route? Was this a fiddle dee fiddle dum issue? Digging #4 from the Numbers "serendipity is the vitamin supplement of any good looping diet" What a line I'm sure there's a song in there somewhere. I think I'm going to wait till NAMM. Thanks again, Andre http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa On Sat, December 13, 2008 2:44 pm, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you get in touch with >>> me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. >>> > > > I've been looping in a lots of duo contexts for about 9 years, and for > the last three in lots of trios and quartets. The latest being Lawson/ > Dodds/Wood - a trio that came out of my loopy improv night The Recycle > Collective. > > The trio is bass+loopage, drums+percussion, guitar+rhodes - you can > hear the album, which was improvised live and then tweaked, at > http://www.stevelawson.net/ldw > > The only looper I use on the project (or anything else other than tiny > gigs with less than 10 mins set up time) is the Looperlative. > > In this context, it allows me a few things I haven't effectively been > able to get elsewhere (ruling out software loopage as the whole laptop > thing really doesn't work for me...): > > I love that it's stereo, that the tracks can be synced to a 'musical > click' (I can play a single beat or bar and then sync all my other > stuff to that), the multiple tracks allow me to remix what I'm doing, > the fidelity makes it really tough to tell what's looped and what > isn't (unless I choose to make that obvious), the line levelness means > it plays very well with my mixer, so I can, if I choose, loop everyone > else in the band as well (my AccuGroove-driven bass rig acts as the PA > for the whole band), the CC controllers and groups mean I can pitch/ > speed shift, change volume and feedback on individual tracks, groups > of tracks or everything, and the 6 outputs mean that if we got booked > into a bigger venue where us all monitoring off my PA was no longer > feasible, I could route the 'click' type parts to a separate desk or > channel to feed the drummers monitor. > > What I've found over the years of using the Looperlative is that my > relationship with it gets ever deeper, and as such I think about it > less and less. It's just there, it does what I want it to do, I rarely > have to come up with work-arounds, it very rarely does anything I > didn't want it to do, but it often surprises me in good ways > (serendipity is the vitamin supplement of any good looping diet :) > > not sure if that's what you wanted by way of an answer, but it's > what's on my mind after a few amazing gigs with Lawson/Dodds/Wood :) > > Steve > > Where to find me on the web - > _______________________ > ********************************* > *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site > *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog > *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson > *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve > *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 04:03:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28973BE85; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Message-id: <6BBC183745A64D21A9693CAE22086A98@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:03:09 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <4FZgYD.A.Q7F.BcdRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Well if you adjust the tension of the 38 gauge strings so it's no higher(or not much lower) than what would regularly be there, it should be ok. One of the physics guys on the list might be able to calculate that for you. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) > Marc Marshall wrote about his alteration of Sonic Youth's altered tuning > setup: > "I use the following set up low to high. > 38-38-28-28-18-18 but for the record > SY uses slightly lighter strings in > 36-36-26-26-17-17" > > Thanks for sharing that tuning, Marc. I can't wait to try it out. > > I always wondered if it would be okay to use all 38s or equivalent and > then tune the guitar down > so that it wouldn't be bad for the neck. > > I always thought it would be really cool to have guitar tuned C C C C C C, > just for the sake of > overtone manipulation only. > > Anyone have thoughts on this? would I seriously screw up my strat to do > that? > > Additionally, I wanted to try something like C C C C Eb Eb. > > In this way you'd have open tuned barr minor chords with a very simple > double bar up one fret for > major chords. > > Distortion and Feedback just love simple open tunings. > > I even thought if you set the action hi that you could use a normal slide > on the first finger and a pinky slide > on the pinky for moeveable simple diadic chords. > > I like the idea of using really heavy gauged strings just for their > resonance value but , again, > am not sure if I"d screw my guitar up attempting it. > > I'm just a drummer (frater ritmacorum as Rainer so cleverly puts it) so > I await your collective guitar player wisdom). > There's a ton of young musicians in my town who are fascinated by the > whole noise scene so I'm trying to put on a little mini > noise festival at Meta Music and mostly play guitar into it (with maybe > some Shenai, Zurna and Euphonium). > > Towards that end, I just went and checked out the Steve Vai distortion > pedal to possibly add to my > small arsenal of distortion pedals.............it looks really nice > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 04:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52CD73BE84; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=agZ3lS15quQRJbWAFRi9vfM/PdpkKP4dg7WWhWj6KCw=; b=FKo2sg+CwH6EWF+7ne/ZeFnDmMUc2vqRWGzpicAOhgp4OgZOEYv+5SkNYmcqHFQMGD VSz/bKA9EzOOa8WdPefCwBST5y+AnHBD5KvfshHlXqRJKvyrNEZM0RMXaeFW4F9hPehA zGw2xYItYoLrt2g+C7UMcP3zHU37DYewh2tCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=elfpaqtwnWnOSpL9y+2dcTG1uGy7nwYkgUU89GZApQVZBO1UephTe1/6/GuzTSLhs5 H6xSP8nrbHKnClYExsHlNAWsE2kkRSvub5J4QZlSviTZtfB9s0J4CDwEmtvfr2Pyob+o Y4bFAdrIMrFBcN/DJVFQSnfYpfVhSEdjWSoks= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:17:54 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <6BBC183745A64D21A9693CAE22086A98@NORBY11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25609_14697375.1229314674408" References: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> <6BBC183745A64D21A9693CAE22086A98@NORBY11> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:17:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25609_14697375.1229314674408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The D'Addario website has the formula. The trick is you need to know one variable which is specific to the actual string you're using, related to ratio of core to winding, type of metal, etc. D'Addario provides that number for all their strings. Here's someone else's applet that does the calculations: http://www.pacificsites.net/~dog/StringTensionApplet.html On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Toby G wrote: > Well if you adjust the tension of the 38 gauge strings so it's no higher(or > not much lower) than what would regularly be there, it should be ok. One of > the physics guys on the list might be able to calculate that for you. > ------=_Part_25609_14697375.1229314674408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The D'Addario website has the formula.  The trick is you need to know one variable which is specific to the actual string you're using, related to ratio of core to winding, type of metal, etc.  D'Addario provides that number for all their strings.  Here's  someone else's applet that does the calculations:

http://www.pacificsites.net/~dog/StringTensionApplet.html



On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
Well if you adjust the tension of the 38 gauge strings so it's no higher(or not much lower) than what would regularly be there, it should be ok.  One of the physics guys on the list might be able to calculate that for you.

------=_Part_25609_14697375.1229314674408-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 05:07:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 052273BE84; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <95FA01CE-CC8A-4D6C-80C6-40A0418BEC56@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: here and now / evolving loops Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:07:03 -0300 Cc: Tim Crowe , Thyagi ryan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:07:48 +0000 (UTC) I just had this inspiring chat with Thiagy, a brasilian musician living in London: Thyagi das ...we who?then, arises: Who am 'I'? What is the 'I' that will 'do' it? What is 'I'? Matthias Grob It does not necessarily areise. if it does, just listen to your loop Thyagi das but isn't listening to the loop add up to more 'conditioned' living? instead of spontaneous here and nowness?? Matthias Grob the loop is like the motion lines in a comic http://www.mangatutorials.com/tut/motionlines.php Thyagi das flow... Matthias Grob yes, the loop adds direction to the here and nowness Thyagi das so end of history. no one to die of this or that, to kill for this or that, to struggle for this or that...just effortless Intelligent Existence, flowing, or rather, adding direction as it goes along the core Stuff that Runs It all...somehow! possible practical looping conclusion: how about helping the listeners to concentrate on the live playing (if on the music, at all...) because most energy happens there, while the loop is as dead as a recording, just the history to indicate the direction? a point can be described by its coordinates and its velocity vector. the history of movement suggests such a direction and thus a point in the future (conservation), but it can also change suddenly (revolution)... at least it should be corrected a little (evolution)! looping helps the player to maintain a direction, with less surprises/ shocks, and thus leaves the listener more confident and at ease (relaxing) but it brings a problem if it becomes static (boring) without looping we mainly have to learn to play steady and flowing with looping we mainly have to learn to renovate and change (I observe that often a new layer does not change direction at all...) use feedback and multitrack to evolve, rather than just color the past there is nothing wrong with building a song just like painting a picture. but we don't watch painters, we just look at the final painting (which corresponds to the filled loop) the personal benefit from "telling a story" may be bigger than from "painting a situation" give it a try! interestingly the delay machines before 1992 mostly forced us to evolve, because they were fading (some had a freeze function but it often brought a hickup) while the more recent loop gear like a RC20 hardly lets us evolve... in case you did not do so yet, play with a long delay (2...6sec) with 60..95% feedback and get the feeling of motion lines that follow you! From paypal@securesuite.net Mon Dec 15 07:41:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 13246 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:41:57 UTC Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C263BE6F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [80.176.213.171] (helo=User) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LC4do-0006gV-Xc; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:01:08 +0000 Reply-To: From: "PayPal" Subject: Please Restore Your Account Access Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:05:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20081215074157.D1C263BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;



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In my experience when working with loopers, a very important aspect is how feedback is implemented. All of the loopers I know have either a fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing (I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - the sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D2 etc.). For me, the important innovation in my way of working was to also have feedback<1 when not overdubbing, which automatically forces you to evolve. Thanks for pointing that out - I'm with you in suggesting to other loopers to work with a looper which allows to do that or else just use a delay instead of a looper. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 10:33:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353283BE87; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3DIys4Uvb0mmT7FriTqAiuoQdIPnWp7/1U1NVPmVaAA=; b=isWkTzh9ucZXnQvlPQMlYVVYtRa7W8yY8WF7/ipoGxMCZztkc3vNsBOT+1jjJ7oKuU 6GHRDOXB8Gf/YqP+pylHxsaikq44IA7rjcwB+NXBPr+1uECzyzxKZC6d1mFaI6D/bCr0 BSrlWiXR5c8rkGbAE6wleEZk9JklRg59rsCb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=q23TjC46TkMyV0sAXcvzDQfFg6evTUZ5xtfMTb+Y6iPIKXUpoqEC/4p4l2JxIjPcNE n8ddSsU+l60r6HZTGZzcLzyOh9BEpXzGl0jZvAa41TVw4tGvLaFeDLk6zTCdUALqF8F3 A9oftOvVcM5/FCsaiWnO05mwpUrBkz89D75B0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:32:59 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812150221m28b56d4eydc80fe1a55ae8d08@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46776_22353731.1229337179471" References: <7334ca1b0812150221m28b56d4eydc80fe1a55ae8d08@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:33:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46776_22353731.1229337179471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline the LP-1 does it as well. you can set the feedback level on a track that is playing (not recording) sim On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > All of the loopers I know have either a > fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you > to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing > (I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - the > sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D2 > etc.). > ------=_Part_46776_22353731.1229337179471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline the LP-1 does it as well. you can set the feedback level on a track that is playing (not recording)

sim

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
All of the loopers I know have either a
fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you
to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing
(I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - the
sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D2
etc.).

------=_Part_46776_22353731.1229337179471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 11:01:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70883BE86; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6MZts9u4G1E4kcpPCJSigf7eovv3JGuNartb2t0W37U=; b=CRYicDiNNoBw0a4lybjMjkdGLAkR45kHRyh8PiWJij83XH+TREZoSk+blKtba2Ad2j xhp8ocS7FU2Bc1bvRmsA1ZL0N0L0lhcYwJdp3Oj2d+/08WDdku1lralPyHikNh2APiya GtOoM2utIEiVSeZgSowIf0saswZnBoDU50FnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=j7tkX39PziI0cd80eLgHvyxzyOC7nuTLE5weryM+YX64qXWOIlxBIrj0Qaj47XV/VD P0DP/ajJS5ZswToxnvGMyEF3yaJ2iHqHfnad0EVTiW5uMBz9P78tmllWH6CTz4CBadmR d6qBJaerLGkJAdEWxArwxFbakjT67Lo5Ww3xU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812150301x3fb3bb3bl21e41ddaa290f240@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:01:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812150221m28b56d4eydc80fe1a55ae8d08@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0812150221m28b56d4eydc80fe1a55ae8d08@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:01:53 +0000 (UTC) A feature I like in SooperLooper is that you can chose if feedback will also be active (according to percentage setting) in playback mode, or not. When set to "not" it sort of resembles the Repeater (se Rainers write-up below), the EDP used in Replace/Flip/Expert Mode or the Mobius looper as it applices Secondary Feedback. The SooperLooper solution is brilliantly simple. You can keep the feedback set to fifty percent and simply turn off the "feedback active in playback mode" when the loop has faded to the preferred level. And when you overdub this setting will create "a pocket" in old layers for your new addition. Such sculpturing is one of my fav looping techniques, all the way from adding small, almost granular, slices to manipulating the full loop. Funny to remember that when I first stated looping in -82 I never thought about "feedback". A delay unit I was using had a "hold" function with a pedal to it. In order to avoid "a bump" in the loop I had to learn to play my instrument (audio source) in a way that it had the same sound at the loop start and the loop point. In retrospect it would have been so easy to simply take out the loop signal and run it through a volume pedal before feeding it back. So simple and powerful routing trick - but it just never hit my imagination back then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Matthias, >> interestingly the delay machines before 1992 mostly forced us to evolve, because they were fading >> (some had a freeze function but it often brought a hickup) >> while the more recent loop gear like a RC20 hardly lets us evolve... > > In my experience when working with loopers, a very important aspect is > how feedback is implemented. All of the loopers I know have either a > fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you > to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing > (I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - the > sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D2 > etc.). > > For me, the important innovation in my way of working was to also have > feedback<1 when not overdubbing, which automatically forces you to > evolve. Thanks for pointing that out - I'm with you in suggesting to > other loopers to work with a looper which allows to do that or else > just use a delay instead of a looper. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 11:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13E73BE86; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <155005.87852.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wood stompbox for bass drum Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:14:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Vipre-Scanned: 0DDBB98700099D0DDBBAD4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:14:35 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: wood stompbox for bass drum >H gang, > Anybody tried this: > > http://www.ellisguitars.com/stompbox.html > > I just bought a used one on ebay,although ive been actually using a cohiba > cuban cigar box stuffed with cloth and an akg mic inside it and it sounds > great but is a bit big for my pedalboard.Essentially i would like find > something that would have 2 functions,bass drum with hill and sort of a > hihat sound with toe,but still small,is there such a thing out there? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > Hah, my first attempt at this was my old SM57 inside the NJ Bell Telephone book. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 11:27:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229303BE85; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=JQ6vkTsQY2fYChzpjVqBAuFw57WLDqOIhsSPowmgHaw=; b=og2tqnBhK9aJ41F7k1nw8oTgmXspA9WSnsbWrn4/+6KGQudVjeWs1KWI0lskM1U4RC 8XjUmBqOeLL9kt3hdVfiVKs6ZwlagCbPdynyC043AXy4+Vutqu6Sx/+/hJIIfIKtTDqC ajzag8rC2y9GJfa4BCAEEYwVubZ3tLp6ksu6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YfgNtttiXf5VvZg3F4LqtTkoElsSFOxC2gNh4me1zU0MzOWl79fQw0t3eGFrNUL6uj jgpvKb2ellFnb/hrBh/QE/oxl3OrZN4+XAJSbUZ4B9vj593meWTpaHbXUFRWl+Wt25cM ooK2kRXViMZuGLJwYkfIo98wnKONN+WLW18/s= Message-ID: <71eda9170812150327y61661c76ne6293cbbea0e7234@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:27:09 +0100 From: "Giovanni De Sisto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It doesnotwork! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Buzap! This week end i will upgrade my rc-50 and perform more tests. You wrote (answering my question): me>> why, when i use "immediate" mode to change patch there is not delay time? you>Does it really work without delay in immediate mode? That would be surprising. I'm sure: it start immediately, without any delay... i perform it with an only "drum test"... on beat it sound great... but it's so hard to press in time the pedal!!! it is not applicable on live performance... you know :( Do you know if is there an unoffical envelop group for boss products? I'm a computer science engenieer... maybe I can try to write some code to fix the bug... but I need the uncompiled code (not exadecimal like the bin files). Best regard Buzap! Giovanni ps: excuse me for my english! I'm italian: i've studied it at school and no more... many years ago! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 12:14:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0403BE8B; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:14:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:14:48 +0000 (UTC) > > All of the loopers I know have either a > > fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you > > to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing= > > (I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - th= e > > sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D= 2 With the LP1, you can store level, feedback, and pan for each track in 10= presets and call them with a single pc or cc message. That's how I plan = to initialize my looper for a particular song structure. And you can alwa= ys change the initial feedback value regardless of the status of a track,= just like a delay. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 12:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 666F63BE8B; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yZjlPrLTziBN1JIKmj582Xeu5/MH1hketdcKx1RYyM0=; b=ZC5z4NKjSu0JGG/kJ964jrt6f3qTf8uPhoPvFyajOj4kAsFhRPHn0CPBiov/Hig8mj H6Aj0twWGwsyYZgQP5MUA/56L6wYGyNIQsnjM3ndZbkulnhQxGGlR/xWWMLqW2jTfyFC YyEJetBOmAjmzmdGwaLZx3s/hhm41g4U4dAS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Rdb9JQq6VPTetf8Qt2DWdRtWX1oPkJGstjJRlpTnlyUfw3UVHH/gLCCQL9GLVe8Bzv JMCOqkh4ny0ibqPFMQEX0ZLgdKbX2YAZ53m+d3wMQQxP4cE7XkEuGdptuYU2KirU2RFQ Ym/B1NnV/40ALUYTAaBlbVYzl6A2FtYkGBB9o= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812150419q2844d7b5v81509787f544ebf2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:19:54 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <38O2jD.A.J-H.rtkRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:19:55 +0000 (UTC) >> > All of the loopers I know have either a >> > fixed feedback value somewhere in the upper range, or they allow you >> > to adjust feedback (think Repeater) but only while you're overdubbing >> > (I believe this is called "secondary feedback" in the EDP realm) - the >> > sole exception being the EDP, and of course any delay effect (DD20, D2 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Sjaak wrote: > With the LP1, you can store level, feedback, and pan for each track in 10 presets and call them with a single pc or cc message. That's how I plan to initialize my looper for a particular song structure. And you can always change the initial feedback value regardless of the status of a track, just like a delay. > --- That's neat. If using a Behringer FCB pedal you can achieve this with any looper. that supports continuous values for feedback, by setting up fixed value FCB kick buttons for the CC assigned to feedback. 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No contract or official order shall be concluded by means of this e-mail. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 13:22:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79623BE89; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:07 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:22:09 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: > That's neat. If using a Behringer FCB pedal you can achieve this with > any looper. that supports continuous values for feedback, by setting > up fixed value FCB kick buttons for the CC assigned to feedback. Good idea. However, I doubt if the LP1 allows you to do this because of t= he midi learn feature and the way assigning LP1 functions has been setup.= Volume, pan and feedback only appear in the expression pedal (=3D calibr= ate pedal menu) mode and not in the CC button mode (=3D user button menu)= . May be this workaround works: 1) assign an expression pedal to CC 21 + the LP1 feedback function 2) Assign CC 21 with a fixed value also to a momentary button of your mid= i controller You made me curious, I=92ll check it out ? --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 13:38:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4D13BE89; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RXSpB4k/sfF6IfYoFinrsYIbyXcE2ZqdKXX7irhwJZ0=; b=fai6mRNNlRjHgEx0B94DNPHdVhmzCjHKH5VYBP+Hd97hpVSw7pUkrSWVZfQ6tGK7Ya 5/P23Hip7X4ges4J6hQUn6WWhSf53Fjv5x9X9fW6D0xMialHI6eoV9N+i+aeSpxzlPdw ETfaJwjjioGo4pwCIbx/Sqcu2AW7Pw1uFlPJE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=usHIf7tt7g9IzoKct5bCAbwM5QlUK2CkQiXgEjv1YMkduDZRzEkSjsnvSfCnBdJCXs XfFpJLP+vcZ/jvzRueRr3+vijrxTZeA8lKKwmQlj8J+n0YSQsdcHYZdNVv5WZKjYuhG2 BDoCwqVRTFzuAp8jJL8sNqGNbjLgzgZQeCito= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812150538t78b5534s9d38c5a9c74652ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:38:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:38:58 +0000 (UTC) >> Per wrote: >> That's neat. If using a Behringer FCB pedal you can achieve this with >> any looper. that supports continuous values for feedback, by setting >> up fixed value FCB kick buttons for the CC assigned to feedback. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Sjaak wrote: > Good idea. However, I doubt if the LP1 allows you to do this because of the midi learn feature and the way assigning LP1 functions has been setup. Volume, pan and feedback only appear in the expression pedal (= calibrate pedal menu) mode and not in the CC button mode (= user button menu). Oh... OUCH! You mean it's only available from an analog jack? But I guess that can be changed in future LP1 software upgrades? MIDI CC control is quite effective for any continuous parameter. > May be this workaround works: > 1) assign an expression pedal to CC 21 + the LP1 feedback function > 2) Assign CC 21 with a fixed value also to a momentary button of your midi controller Erhm.. wasn't that what I suggested? And didn't you say in the first sentence that it's not possible with the LP1? I admit I'm losing track of this discussion now ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 14:08:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A73C3BE88; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 437 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:08:17 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qjiv76oM3n85oYulVAM/ZcsbcJKB756m+QCBqjwvHNM=; b=PDx4Zu71x1a42Hjh8hoovmHb5dkkM8KtSVHAR8SQNKsHPijDJK7mIYaQx0OwZGlxnK cPqMegDaowVd/6PpNchpTgPdIhkHpM5ht/DsdZlqZUNmrEjgSVObNniO7gEMOmL97Dlz cuX3fh2dCbker4MA1IN/LDVWzzcAUxxgpX8Vg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=p3bae3fN6oDP7ukDU4kW2jJid+rVrWiOkoc///pw9M8EbMUTDwM9uq9NY8NyrP1mkT zUtIHbjb0ONnqPj+PC2SyDqsfhpcaibNrMxpXYXE7btWZXirMK8YCRu9dGa8FloUpv2Z 6TE0Wfz+JYo7OXmMes9tdZvsNMEZ1pGTzFL84= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:57:31 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: here and now / evolving loops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49861_18487609.1229349451469" References: Resent-Message-ID: <3KRUDC.A.ukE.STmRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49861_18487609.1229349451469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, that's absolutely possible. you can do it with any parameter that's usually controlled via a continuous source. i've done it with pitch, so i can repitch a loop by discrete intervals. just set up the "calibrate pedal" bit first and then hijack the cc number for a button and set whatever value you want don't forget the lp-1 also has parameters for "feedback -10" and "feedback +10" as well sim On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Sjaak wrote: > > May be this workaround works: > 1) assign an expression pedal to CC 21 + the LP1 feedback function > 2) Assign CC 21 with a fixed value also to a momentary button of your midi > controller > ------=_Part_49861_18487609.1229349451469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, that's absolutely possible. you can do it with any parameter that's usually controlled via a continuous source. i've done it with pitch, so i can repitch a loop by discrete intervals. just set up the "calibrate pedal" bit first and then hijack the cc number for a button and set whatever value you want 
don't forget the lp-1 also has parameters for "feedback -10" and "feedback +10" as well

sim

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:

May be this workaround works:
1) assign an expression pedal to CC 21 +  the LP1 feedback function
2) Assign CC 21 with a fixed value also to a momentary button of your midi controller

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OUCH! You mean it's only available from an analog jack? > But I guess that can be changed in future LP1 software upgrades? > MIDI CC control is quite effective for any continuous parameter. > > Erhm.. wasn't that what I suggested? And didn't you say in the first > sentence that it's not possible with the LP1? I admit I'm losing track > of this discussion now ;-)) I can imagine you're lost, my fault :) The LP1 was I think originally des= igned to trigger up to 8 =93LP1 functions=94 like rec, dub, replace, reve= rse etc with a single program change and volume + feedback using a CC mes= sage from a expression pedal. A series of 1 to 8 LP1 functions is called = a midi or user button. Later on, Bob also added midi CC=92s to trigger th= em. The point is that =93feedback xx=94 does not exist in the list of availab= le functions. It does have feedback -10%, =93feedback 10%, feedback 100% = but not a configurable value like feedback 65% etc. In addition to that, = you can assign a continuous controller to control feedback from 0-100% Is this better? : ) --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 14:56:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658023BE8C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:56:04 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: LP1 feedback (was here and now / evolving loops) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) > yes, that's absolutely possible. you can do it with any parameter that'= s > usually controlled via a continuous source. i've done it with pitch, so= i > can repitch a loop by discrete intervals. just set up the "calibrate pe= dal" > bit first and then hijack the cc number for a button and set whatever v= alue > you want don't forget the lp-1 also has parameters for "feedback -10" a= nd > "feedback +10" as well So you more or less programmed your own pitch 60%, pitch 70% functions et= c? Thanks Sim, that's good to know. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 15:01:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6FE73BE89; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XuvMQ4zAxQxOnUvK/i50jCdOZW4c63xNTXNBoud9hNs=; b=cVv5t2KyGEFZn/GE2SlNMg6ldhIdTBZ+F620Xipkkwgog2zRgqDUFmTrVkyPI+ftc2 w8kR9jK8utYseBMYGVwC+vzhoEplxO1NGYIVyTStnRXJ/95gVlZ5/ySJ1yPCnQB6uWC3 FW8J5YoVnLrcnX1Qe5RcRAa0VaJMHKcBFp/Jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=T+Nj02oj5XseutZKT3igaqmAANcGN5YTArr8K0LBSpUJZZH22HLkTo+tqdj1QVPXYK 5zY6K4VD8cI8xOiubd3zHKyq8WKdyvjOYM1Ry+PTkGgUGm8/hCpAn/b6xc0kDm28lDfJ Mye4PzDsUEWawB9zIQoY2zHE8Xd2PeuIhzRQw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812150701i6d092027w43d65a880399f9ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:01:02 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP1 feedback (was here and now / evolving loops) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Sjaak wrote: > The point is that "feedback xx" does not exist in the list of available functions. It does have feedback -10%, "feedback 10%, feedback 100% but not a configurable value like feedback 65% etc. In addition to that, you can assign a continuous controller to control feedback from 0-100% > > Is this better? : ) Brilliant explanation! I can totally wrap my brain around that. per From service@email-paypal.com Mon Dec 15 15:12:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1605 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:12:21 UTC Received: from www.lucky-rich.com.tw (219-84-97-153-adsl-tpe.static.so-net.net.tw [219.84.97.153]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CB03BE88; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (unknown [89.248.104.27]) by www.lucky-rich.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5171180; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:48 +0800 (GMT-8) Reply-To: From: "PayPal" Subject: You have 1 new Security Message Alert! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 15:18:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A703BE91; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:18:10 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: LP1 feedback (was here and now / evolving loops) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:18:13 +0000 (UTC) > > Is this better? : ) > per wrote > Brilliant explanation! I can totally wrap my brain around that. lol :) It's not easy to write up in English what your brain thinks in Dut= ch. Anyway, the good news is that Sim confirmed in a previous message a w= orkaround solves the issue. So everything is possible. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 16:53:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D6B3BE85; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Yulm12vLGsIYVYA2ZmMhrZ1KoaD3G8Bw8Kyxka4c9jI=; b=NH5e0+9VyVgk+c+dLrCqO2BKvnDQkJsVUriPNg+TwbPXwscj5AE12sz2h+MfoFbT9U h4B0Nt480J7qpKpIgIQxwL4vj0jeIuHZJpDkI+NashXH6aPUVKM+TLCDNwGUXx63iEKR +TVbszyTsIEn4mrHbh9ga7GXIwirydBQd01r0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rttUC5EaXw1Zs2hC290ipom/TB9Llksk0pPjO6bj6vQf8iN/pumFHacPyW4Kw/Y8Fz 7HlWjxs25sQaCl8mFw/vIPoMRZLcJGZdDqI8X0VZJ6JBqu2lO09GQnaRtT6xIT7Ap7w6 R6wITS6VrGAUURy5QucDqfcT97gyC0k16vDnI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:49:50 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP1 feedback (was here and now / evolving loops) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54370_13067042.1229359790640" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54370_13067042.1229359790640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well you fiddle about until you find the cc number that corresponds with the degree of pitch change you want. i have several buttons set up to give me a Dorian scale over one octave with the unpitched loop as the top note sim On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Sjaak wrote: > > yes, that's absolutely possible. you can do it with any parameter that's > > usually controlled via a continuous source. i've done it with pitch, so i > > can repitch a loop by discrete intervals. just set up the "calibrate > pedal" > > bit first and then hijack the cc number for a button and set whatever > value > > you want don't forget the lp-1 also has parameters for "feedback -10" and > > "feedback +10" as well > > So you more or less programmed your own pitch 60%, pitch 70% functions etc? > Thanks Sim, that's good to know. > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > --- > Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! > Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm > > ------=_Part_54370_13067042.1229359790640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well you fiddle about until you find the cc number that corresponds with the degree of pitch change you want. i have several buttons set up to give me a Dorian scale over one octave with the unpitched loop as the top note

sim

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
> yes, that's absolutely possible. you can do it with any parameter that's
> usually controlled via a continuous source. i've done it with pitch, so i
> can repitch a loop by discrete intervals. just set up the "calibrate pedal"
> bit first and then hijack the cc number for a button and set whatever value
> you want don't forget the lp-1 also has parameters for "feedback -10" and
> "feedback +10" as well

So you more or less programmed your own pitch 60%, pitch 70% functions etc? Thanks Sim, that's good to know.
---
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw

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MADAWI ATASSI BANK OF AFRICA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 19:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF863BE7F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Ae/jQHBLEydnr3giMFJGLEHFhZMdIyvm8MA1zuEl3O4F9PWpMvlPwV8kpYZIFLc6F8T8xH/I8tHqR4FA7Q4K97cf6h3SlBBf8QwOTv4vR75HVzoEurAMxerssOfhQVXQU8TXm0j5nFNnercUS6QQCwRhmejUvr7u6M/Gh1Y43cU= ; X-YMail-OSG: xkEhT2gVM1l2mCHF_Zjm_tVbPWnLe4ygJAIlo7xwwuMzGNGMTRPeJhhSlodhwzE63GZNDWIWG.1t_b9QN3bEiTEKHLi7K6us1WyJB1Qcuy9oS1gn5dTPFzDwt6BgvkzLUlk8auAmt561zWhHYU1CvE8tDWalzZ.FsWvAeKAtjyTpfM5fYmJTGFfinNqW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <494690E2.3020902@googlemail.com> Subject: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:13:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. I've never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this before? Everything seems to be set-up correctly. Thanks in advance, Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 19:36:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459593BE79; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Qmtei6E6v7A0mI03Yc9LFZj/jtVrzYlsVjCAxNjV8wQ=; b=gkzQn8wAcUt+uDSmH23cbzP7gCd2nMfQJwbAuyNG8gF0obXxEuE2n6/sUu9jlUtDn2 umrfAwUirFdYe0oAYlCfTaXoXi471GCtqOEimVm4BwoY5BCDkWJ6CmxB2vGHXAxc9FPr 5Tcnt9LT2FDjC4FRpVdAoIANCs3rlVfBYflgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=R/zMN1J9qCy39cnLBxEN4M79LewWolSOjRF3uhj/YN3qXyFUIkDF5+BeAnxSFJu6q9 avOBKVdDYDtaEboW4NMbImcFUr0bOzHu0xyk+IuGX3oUylWaPJYpi0/mwEKHS4Hq2RpR /vJ7CWH6Ty4BYH1CKxLp4qbe6mm96yRtvd0TA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:36:18 -0500 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Unsub - Check back in later MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:36:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm jumping off list again for a while to work on some studio stuff. If anyone needs me, catch me off list Cheers -J jefflomas.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 19:37:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 871E23BE7F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gNjl7aOO1IgDaAW+wEip1tFjK2O4EaGJ7kyeYVb5uYE=; b=xjBi0q09ZVY2tQZuWOlB5HcJ6+r+ciMH8SSaKjiImCWEAXoquruNsYjPUIvly9r0am 8MX2Hap0xZ7xMcY8plsevBXS74Ep3K7a85spPFTzt+9IpQ4x7VsLNAP08FNZAlJ17ZQH 1cD2D+kQbKlKvWpC1v7kh/XJ0fkqqJ9A9VTRg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XSsLYd2nNkUEJHg1/M6ZFwVnbtvatbnMvL0eOl4XEs5BK9tCN7BIMRC/PxVed2401l svrLPomdQYJ0WipcRWLPodJptAk6B9PFQun2j36dofaPlJ8VO32PzsaIj5lLWWOXmbhw CyQv7nbwJDP6ZWv37z4vnqrZhLJxW+zBQasDk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:37:00 -0700 From: "Trevor Davis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? In-Reply-To: <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15128_18422925.1229369820252" References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <494690E2.3020902@googlemail.com> <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15128_18422925.1229369820252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to do? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. I've never had a > problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this before? > Everything seems to be set-up correctly. > > Thanks in advance, > > Ricky > -- Trevor Davis Bare Bones Productions www.bonesdrums.com 1239 D Street Salida, CO 81201 719 207 3422 866 622 4269 ------=_Part_15128_18422925.1229369820252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to do?


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After some reading, i'm not really getting any further.  I've never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this before? Everything seems to be set-up correctly.

Thanks in advance,

Ricky



--
Trevor Davis
Bare Bones Productions
www.bonesdrums.com
1239 D Street
Salida, CO
81201
719 207 3422
866 622 4269
------=_Part_15128_18422925.1229369820252-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 19:43:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 263BD3BE7F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=kI+fTkjM5v1enfq27wRFWs5IAOb6gI06dDrWuAOssbu9bOXtv7MMxRQ3SWSo3zWb9aBImGi2T6y0n4dW19URabx2HWD3Mrxj+kdI7vfr6QmRr0bnJEORae3+tSHl4yPTEzLpF+sQvP3c3w7lHryvHzowq9X/z2EW8fRh+27dI6g= ; X-YMail-OSG: Wjewe0QVM1l_N9wNjv9SwCUdORYZPwe3YXjF0_Yi3ilBr9Tg8NyudQqtc3kslpRg_xyWL5C2cRR8bDheJDJNTUJgPmPZhmnbqBB7GhKQ5ZtPCOM4iJTSrBlUqlwHVpd.GyVxeZ1cKZBfdEq1iexRLtjaIDlNhKBXSwsMVZU9jBHG1lh4xMYg5bHpdKX5vA2yNF31JvFcij7DiZpAZbW.tCMM.1F1Ize6U9Wm X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002601c95eed$634e8480$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <494690E2.3020902@googlemail.com> <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C95EED.62D29DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C95EED.62D29DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trigger the SPD-S with the Echoplex? I'm reading the SPD-S doesn't have = a MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat Sync with Trig In? Thanks in advance, Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trevor Davis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to do? =20 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Hi Guys, After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. I've never = had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this = before? Everything seems to be set-up correctly. Thanks in advance, Ricky=20 --=20 Trevor Davis Bare Bones Productions www.bonesdrums.com 1239 D Street Salida, CO=20 81201 719 207 3422 866 622 4269 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: = 15/12/2008 09:01 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C95EED.62D29DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trigger the SPD-S with the Echoplex? = I'm reading=20 the SPD-S doesn't have a MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat Sync with = Trig=20 In?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Trevor=20 Davis
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 = 7:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to = Echoplex=20 MIDI out?

I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to = do?


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky = Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btintern= et.com>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Guys,

After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. =  I've never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. = Has=20 anyone done this before? Everything seems to be set-up=20 correctly.

Thanks in advance,

Ricky=20



--
Trevor=20 Davis
Bare Bones Productions
www.bonesdrums.com
1239 D=20 Street
Salida, CO
81201
719 207 3422
866 622 4269


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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C95EED.62D29DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 20:01:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADF153BE8A; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mUlU9YxbgGY/wnf6acYEzQFA9zCqG4RaJCT4JyBtaE8=; b=gFSxGWdP9JcZAA9e6eQSq0doXmQn6VGW9M2z6khPiTfnIzTKtaVjXCZ+V9WlJhnl8s Zr+pRROam/J3zDYkvGLqj2PHDRNHGtoZSg9jbqYxc9EfALt1tmSiSNxQTZRK2apqQF84 KhpyYOqz50X5xMhWPT54ctZt0QC/0l18yOx6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Z/7F8d9+7JQoQUPvVRJFFKKJmcVNKnf5BXDLjf74awTptisvRp8EmSSEZcYkZ0mB46 NbYcjxxXmiC/g7kMA4myrHfkbgyVoVY8DR9diBj7xV7KktgeWP4ou0wm+L+taPkRgDTe 17KVMJnsammXBdyZgt09mfBwHYHBneoebrNYE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:01:09 -0700 From: "Trevor Davis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? In-Reply-To: <002601c95eed$634e8480$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15851_4381321.1229371269863" References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <494690E2.3020902@googlemail.com> <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <002601c95eed$634e8480$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15851_4381321.1229371269863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not sure about that, i have assigned MIDI notes to each pad the activate the echoplex functions from it...doesn't sound like that's what you're going for here... On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > Trigger the SPD-S with the Echoplex? I'm reading the SPD-S doesn't have a > MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat Sync with Trig In? > > Thanks in advance, > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Trevor Davis > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2008 7:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? > > I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to do? > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham < > rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. I've never had a >> problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this before? >> Everything seems to be set-up correctly. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Ricky >> > > > > -- > Trevor Davis > Bare Bones Productions > www.bonesdrums.com > 1239 D Street > Salida, CO > 81201 > 719 207 3422 > 866 622 4269 > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: 15/12/2008 > 09:01 > > -- Trevor Davis Bare Bones Productions www.bonesdrums.com 1239 D Street Salida, CO 81201 719 207 3422 866 622 4269 ------=_Part_15851_4381321.1229371269863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Not sure about that, i have assigned MIDI notes to each pad the activate the echoplex functions from it...doesn't sound like that's what you're going for here...


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Trigger the SPD-S with the Echoplex? I'm reading the SPD-S doesn't have a MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat Sync with Trig In?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out?

I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to do?


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,

After some reading, i'm not really getting any further.  I've never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone done this before? Everything seems to be set-up correctly.

Thanks in advance,

Ricky



--
Trevor Davis
Bare Bones Productions
www.bonesdrums.com
1239 D Street
Salida, CO
81201
719 207 3422
866 622 4269


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Salida, CO
81201
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------=_Part_15851_4381321.1229371269863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 20:39:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96113BE82; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=BfxmrZz+PZ5bEczrF9MkuIKizS1K02xvWSHt+1URqHhw9N3FAI/uR3IBl/EMu7Lo0OeSrqOSXs0cN/zCVfqvEpxCQwVhBISvts4dbiAQROV59nm7IMLzxmw8WwJA1rldIxK01SneDdltftXnuEPB1Q6FLAAu4jcILBBbl2x34y4= ; X-YMail-OSG: jwtH1_gVM1kwgLuKS3GVSojAJHTTOdEXIfyu66htEFSfJIATDmLITOQo9KrEp5NgHFqs7d6LHdP43GiEURTGqo.Ip49AIFx0BF_f8HJ1w_xKNjQ.4PQXFBFPX.x03517gmnwqp.KFNh.rV_fLv_zlY3Ws4zNOe5LHIgwfB4z5CS.Hgfl1fGE0YfDW_9Nrlmu X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004901c95ef5$3e24d710$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20020909174601.42100.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <494690E2.3020902@googlemail.com> <001001c95ee9$36dd8d50$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> <002601c95eed$634e8480$0501a8c0@STUDIO1> Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:39:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95EF5.3AE4C740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:39:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95EF5.3AE4C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, but thanks. :) Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trevor Davis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? Not sure about that, i have assigned MIDI notes to each pad the = activate the echoplex functions from it...doesn't sound like that's what = you're going for here... =20 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Trigger the SPD-S with the Echoplex? I'm reading the SPD-S doesn't = have a MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat Sync with Trig In? Thanks in advance, Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trevor Davis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to Echoplex MIDI out? I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're trying to = do? =20 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky Graham = wrote: Hi Guys, After some reading, i'm not really getting any further. I've = never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the SPD-S. Has anyone = done this before? Everything seems to be set-up correctly. Thanks in advance, Ricky=20 --=20 Trevor Davis Bare Bones Productions www.bonesdrums.com 1239 D Street Salida, CO=20 81201 719 207 3422 866 622 4269 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: = 15/12/2008 09:01 --=20 Trevor Davis Bare Bones Productions www.bonesdrums.com 1239 D Street Salida, CO=20 81201 719 207 3422 866 622 4269 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: = 15/12/2008 09:01 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C95EF5.3AE4C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, but thanks. :)
 
Ricky
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Subject: Re: Syncing SPD-S to = Echoplex=20 MIDI out?

Not sure about that, i have assigned MIDI notes to each pad the = activate=20 the echoplex functions from it...doesn't sound like that's what you're = going=20 for here...


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Ricky = Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btintern= et.com>=20 wrote:
Trigger the SPD-S with the = Echoplex? I'm=20 reading the SPD-S doesn't have a MIDI clock? But can I use the Beat = Sync=20 with Trig In?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ricky
----- Original Message ----- =
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Sent: Monday, December 15, = 2008 7:37=20 PM
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I trigger the echoplex with a spds, is that what you're = trying to=20 do?


 
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ricky = Graham=20 <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> = wrote:
Hi=20 Guys,

After some reading, i'm not really getting any = further.=20  I've never had a problem syncing the Echoplex until the = SPD-S. Has=20 anyone done this before? Everything seems to be set-up=20 correctly.

Thanks in advance,

Ricky=20



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81201
719 207 3422
866 622 4269


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719 207 3422
866 622 4269


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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <61190.72.51.1229192564.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <671731.56259.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:00:24 +0000 (UTC) ive tried duo looping in the past,in my opinion this type of looping is heavily dependent on good listening and good monitor sound the tendency to stack sound from 2 persons can otherwise become too much and static,but when it works is way cool,at the end of the Y2K8 we wanted the festival have all loopers loop their part into one single looper,too bad we didnt do it,that would have been fun! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > I allways felt a bit sad that although live looping > makes playing solo > > easier, it might also cause people to stay alone. > > One of the main reason to build the LOOP delay (which > turned into the > > EDP) was the BrotherSync feature. > > I did the first session with it in '92 with David > Hopkins. > > But before I had great times to play with others into > the same delay > > machine. > > Some of the best recordings are on > > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm > > The most intense duos have been with percussionists: > Giba, Bira, > > David... > > > > The first festival I participated was Loopstock. I > looked for someone > > to bring me there and Jon Wagner offered some space in > his overloaded > > fantastic old Volvo, next to all his drums. When I > heard he was > > druming, I asked to play together, so we met a few > days before and > > figured it out and it worked. > > And I started this week to edit the video! > (learning...) > > I will tell you when I upload it. > > > > And at Y2k7 I invited Arild Andersen to play with me - > which was a bit > > heavy for me (sync did not work), but still fun! ;-) > > > > And today I talked with Per and he suggested to bring > up this social > > subject more, and I said: can you point me at videos > of duo > > recordings, with at least two players using loops most > of the time? He > > could not. I met very few > > Urban Nature: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJKp8KvABc > > Lur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIc1uPcZUY > > Improvizone: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lV3KN5g-fo (special case > > since Os does the looping) > > Mich Gerber: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1srd_bczs (he plays > > professionally with a band, but just him looping) > > Rick, Per and Pellef: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAySrzSa7Hg > > > > Yes, to be social here is great, to meet at festivals > is even better, > > but the best is to do it together!! > > > > Matthias > > > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Ricky Graham wrote: > > > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you > get in touch with > >> me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Ricky > > > > > > > > http://www.andredonawa.com > http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 21:57:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC59C3BE81; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4946D2CE.3060709@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:57:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: wood stomp box for bass drum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Kaki King using an Ellis stompbox, a delay pedal, a pitchshifter and a looper: really cool stuff: http://www.ellisguitars.com/kakiking.html LUIS's QUESTION ABOUT A TINY HI HAT EQUIVALENT: ...and in answer to Luis' question about a tiny left foot hi hat sound, what I've done is taken some long strips of velcro and sewed different textures of jingles (light indian ones , heavy pakistani ones), plastic bottle caps from chinese medicine bottles (very resonant and every color has a different timbre for variety) and tambourine jingles. Then take a piece elastic and sew it into a circle that will cling to your mid foot (over your shoe) or to your calf or ankle and sew the opposite side of the velcro to it (facing outside, obviously). Now you have a convertable hi hat -esque sound with different textures for different sounds. Alternately you could buy a hi hat extenstion that several drum companies sell, that is designed to fit on top of a cymbal stand and a pair of smallish hi hats (10" ones sound good and are less expensive); make your self a small board and drill a hole into it so place the hi hat extender inside of it, then use your foot to hit the hi hat cymbals that are just barely open. (it's a thought). Although my other thought is that what ever you use is going to take up x amount of floor space anyway so who cares if it is low or high? Why not just by a cheap hi hat stand (or, worse yet, steal your son's hi hat for your gigs). Trust me, people will be impressed if they see you actually playing a drum (or drums) with your feet as you play guitar. It might even be good for theatrics alone to even use, gasp!!!!, a kick drum and a hi hat. good luck, amigo! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 22:10:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D56203BE84; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:10:07 EST Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context.....what gear do u use? 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(http://www.ao= l.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000= 010) --part1_c49.24ac569e.36782fbf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 22:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A243BE87; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=DhAG7JldIWk/JtSd+lUvqI7sOk111ir5BWFnRHbM2/E=; b=FTNXvOaUqkQh7Ii9cxxZHT7VgySbZ0hfh1TF9yP+3Dj7B7CaVEKsJzRHImSWUI0TjW b72mKasjVRNiKnef6RKGtU2UKyZLjF00SmcisBcz2ZeM/RWJPbAoM2GJ/GtFh5BWjP2N o7/EK5NWg+6MaHC2hcub2zrU6BhKcOU8Do7KU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KC4eslhJaJhfzx3XusOwtlsTdMs+qqTGB/e97mVr2MTOcJeXJtgW5EFKNShoknXplr 2xbhWoLyJTTBEsp2MhjGJxHkLU1k/hQQnvxGg/0Rfo0+MWPH1m7ZucTd/vtNmsfdO431 uzYWdsTVixb88isFni1YR73/QVtWOiYp0Gdqc= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0812151447t3e8335c1tc05b0028c71c0843@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:47:25 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kaki King (was: wood stomp box for bass drum) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Rick said: "Kaki King using an Ellis stompbox, a delay pedal, a pitchshifter and a looper: really cool stuff: http://www.ellisguitars.com/kakiking.html" Mhmm...after reading that text on the page Rick referenced, and looking at some of her videos, I wonder: Did anyone tell her about our looping stuff? Perhaps that could help with that problem of "running up against the limitations of the solo acoustic sound" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 22:55:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5DE83BE80; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Jd/Il2lscP+u4XfzNzC5pfzi/OqQITZbzhQUB91IJc8=; b=dmhxSJeIT3cCwjcGQhB/x1R9kI7WtdeCLOuznE3uOjU8uw6MOKJcb/8o0hnlRCLusU h5IZ2fv5oCZDJDTBGfQXwNnl3pthaGs4cm8uRlWwZlwSDqsh2cPe/vcHQ0PPrNREo8wE Kb3xd6+WT93c+AC8pNHeBwweQkoN5wgNn9aFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=NNhBvOypLYfCGuvkSznj2zvIwPuWGNYOxDrtYBp4Q4rH+cUdkpmdZprctLIJFBMvjR x6oKxHijKzcEvLr1zbCqdZASk7lKyP81y+TPOgkzlpJogANUzROTfmsk5S5WKf2m2OCm jiJniQBCkYl3dx0R2hkoyd5VRMRkLdFIzSeBI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:55:39 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kaki King (was: wood stomp box for bass drum) In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0812151447t3e8335c1tc05b0028c71c0843@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41988_24049318.1229381739350" References: <7334ca1b0812151447t3e8335c1tc05b0028c71c0843@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Uf84B.A.9yC.sBuRJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:55:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41988_24049318.1229381739350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When she first hit the scene she wasn't looping, someone from here asked if she was and she said no, and it seemed sort of a point of pride. Then she had David Torn produce an album and did a little looping. Then she pretty much ditched the solo acoustic sound by getting a band, singing and playing more electric guitar. TH > > Mhmm...after reading that text on the page Rick referenced, and > looking at some of her videos, I wonder: > Did anyone tell her about our looping stuff? Perhaps that could help > with that problem of "running up against the limitations of the solo > acoustic sound" > > ------=_Part_41988_24049318.1229381739350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When she first hit the scene she wasn't looping, someone from here asked if she was and she said no, and it seemed sort of a point of pride.  Then she had David Torn produce an album and did a little looping.  Then she pretty much ditched the solo acoustic sound by getting a band, singing and playing more electric guitar.

TH



Mhmm...after reading that text on the page Rick referenced, and
looking at some of her videos, I wonder:
Did anyone tell her about our looping stuff? Perhaps that could help
with that problem of "running up against the limitations of the solo
acoustic sound"


------=_Part_41988_24049318.1229381739350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 23:39:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60B953BE8B; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MCUkLFdXSvqBlV5MOod9vYR2m5sAizk6R+FJHDGZ9NqVBvSQ/mY47t93HDb8ZQvjdgP9jHxDWy+6Lx3bTDP8vOavXYkDhzd+EdYXgCrx9hIeLPXvTtPnelh3YCPnr8kgO9w2gLv5aoESCdh/ZWpM3xHzy+sITJqbOvpbuV2zNno=; X-YMail-OSG: MeueMb0VM1k0nZvNvEOAg_Kne2G8ERW9zidWjJQmLZ7MTPgqxjxrzzBG3eyoVUoQ8xD.eV5TPPhq3XLXgdsEq.i8XE.d8_OMbGNq44eROqWkXjfINArz1Oxfuq2PNwHO1AwbZn6pYgEBp7wTyzVtaOcyL3Z6j0Tqufj1umMP52if531ZaKZusUSLC_RFjJmzETtdbwKyXCRXCf8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: wood stomp box for bass drum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4946D2CE.3060709@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <468458.261.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Yo carnal, yes i mess around with my sons bass drum and hihat as i am playing guitar and i love the rawness of it,the problem is i have a pedalboard in front of me which takes quite of bit of space so is hard to get those in a comfortable way and they are too big.The cuban cigar box with the mic inside sounds fantastic as a kick drum i also loop soundhole hits of my guitar but hihat is one i still havent found(beatboxing it is another alternative i use sometimes) but can you give me a link of small bass drums and hihats you are talking about that sound huge? cheers Luis > > Trust me, people will be impressed if they see you > actually playing a drum (or drums) > with your feet as you play guitar. It might even be good > for theatrics alone > to even use, gasp!!!!, a kick drum and a hi hat. > > good luck, amigo! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 23:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF693BE8C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=EwheBA6+T7+BFV/LQ11eXsaa+iAPtGdSvQj1zZX92n+efSUebD7CXQabMmCAzyEvLnPeD15SNjGnPBiqSPC2KpmvWImU/E/rZZFYA1ZVcKLqmqPknRKVepDdDFAKZoOsgTC+CYLrvEutCPWbew5z3e6tbkzCdMXClp1Ug3w9nNk=; X-YMail-OSG: 00FbUnEVM1muw_Al4OXm9kALsZ_gMxhjxzlbA25N2d2Bfvr6grdXxwhWJTeYWY.e_txaSME1IgtjMqf5sqdCqMUcpMUOd2DZXKmyGvJfBlnddqt0dwA7R0lhN1s0DDRSb_EiayntxTENBH6um6CsLeUdGTF3cCxXds2LsSvWhI_mtVghuJieeKNC_77gEknHvOFBNbrx.H4hKB4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in an ensemble context.....what gear do u use? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <61190.72.51.1229192564.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <661186.20394.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:44:47 +0000 (UTC) probably not many... solo loopers are already ensembles > > > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> How many of you loop with an ensemble? Could you > get in touch with > >> me as I'd like to ask you a few questions. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Ricky > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 15 23:50:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174743BE8E; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=l8Ik55tprCD1Zd/UkSADUA3U1CR80IUMrijSHhv3eFYirjK3+19anfdhxUdDYinj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1954439.1229385039442.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: circuit bent? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48d3cf103975e89ccf075a450d4d234a08af78f7fbf31ba7be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:50:39 +0000 (UTC) what if a REAL musician/looper got a hold of one of these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV_w38ldZaE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 00:10:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 550093BE8F; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:10:00 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <71eda9170812150327y61661c76ne6293cbbea0e7234@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081216001000.111680@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <71eda9170812150327y61661c76ne6293cbbea0e7234@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-50. Switcing Patch on stage. Loop End mode. It doesnotwork! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/hkhfl8U/pmYFxs342HbvfU7SbY//WRk3KLSOKj gAE63v+DcEDzejAG8IZJ0zSwXwk6mKvWwKAg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: uZgzepQeODB6VMN6iGVMPe49Ji9SWtLS X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Ciao Giovanni >but it's so hard to press in time the pedal!!! it is not applicable on live performance... > you know :( Well, after a while it's easy, actually. A friend of mine had the exact same problem. He practiced and managed it perfectly after a while. Trust me, it works. You just have to practice the pedals just like a drummer/bassist/percussionist practice their rhythm. It's really worth it! :) > Do you know if is there an unoffical envelop group for boss products? There are a few "Boss experts" on this forum. I'm not aware of any other forum where you will get more info on the Boss products. What else do you exactly need? > I'm a computer science engenieer... maybe I can try to write some code > to fix the bug... but I need the uncompiled code (not exadecimal like > the bin files). I don't know where to get any blue prints or source code for the RC-50. I guess reverse engineering would be too much work and not worth it. If you really want to put so much energy into programming. You might probably better off using software looping and writing something for Max/MSP or Mobius scripts instead ;-) good luck Buzap PS: non e un problemo con italiano, posso capire un po! ;-) -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 00:15:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60BAE3BEC4; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ra/G0EWcj6EfBfl71HcML0BhystFV7NgkJ5Hxt2RT9lprV8v2lrX/Cc5JoiWS79rjPDjdu0Zs23iLrpc2VksVpOcGOmeTp4F/JSZBaRuzaFcy3piloxakaMhiLdc7CYyn7XF0RX4NmxaH/jV5ikW15frsSvNMK427+5x5gkJKFY=; X-YMail-OSG: p_tUl4AVM1ldqSxC1N8ZW9s6yflkoCePACp11IUBrDvGXe1q.90uFaSEb6bFJ2CY4duhP6vhg9LMD.UPZ5p_hH8f1XvIBMvp1p8W0oVrA0689FSRd3_UBuxJc4TcgvNQkGRiHQwgitwxMPNnW.cejWr5i.ucDJTFhUGt_TrVaepu8Fb_abmKJsLFlzTVc4O3LTUA5tcS33177N1v5ajEJ4_ufn0K63MbuDnkNXzo05RO7d5NMl0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:15:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: guitars routing through pedalboard problem To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <961402.748.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Guys question: I am using an acoustic guitar with a trance audio system which requires a special cable and goes into a preamp that has a special input.The preamp has a normal stereo output,so the 3 treble strings go through all my stomp efx and the bass strings only through a delay.All is cool except when i want to use other guitars i have to disconect and reconect things.Nothing can go through the trance audio preamps input because is a special made one which means i need some sort of box that has more that 2 inputs to route the stereo outs of the T.A. system into my effects and another normal input to route my normal guitars also through the same stomp Fx chain when i change guitars. So i basically i need a compact box stomp like with 3 or more inputs and a stereo out,can you direct me into something like that? cheers www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 00:18:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268813BE91; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:18:29 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20081216001829.111690@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Using Looper instead of Vocal Harmonizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/uO1TePk/IGI43vSvHiUuCytHCIQjD/t6mXg3ub ezpQQMXaAxf8zwpRsGeCL3hZm6hG3I2Aa5QA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: hocjOclKZCEEWcdhnm0hTcN4IGhpZYYD X-FuHaFi: 0.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi fellow loopers I'd like to hear your experience on looping vocal harmonies. Do you have any special hints other than the usual overdubs? I kind of prefer the sound of real vocal layers to a vocal harmonizer à la Digitech Vocalist etc (with very few exceptions like i.e. Imogen Heap's Hide & Seek ;-) So I was wondering about your approach to this? Common sense seems: Sing one loop, then overdub harmonies. If you have a shortish loop, you might add all harmonies directly. If it is a longer loop or chorus, you might add them over the course of the song (i.e. everytime you sing chorus, add another layer). If you really just want to lay out a "harmonic carpet", you may take a very short loop and overdub harmonies on it for a continuous sound. Has anyone experimented with something like this here? i.e. : take loop 0,5 sec length that goes immediately into overdub. Then kick in this loop while singing and build your harmonies on the fly? Would love to hear your experience! best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 00:48:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EADA43BE8B; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:48:52 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <961402.748.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081216004852.111660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <961402.748.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitars routing through pedalboard problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iX30GY8aiH85iI3x9/a7owmJXD7nRXl96Np/4QL HBER5VIUPLH2nPizz23EGPHQczzIVbkMeZ4A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: xsN+fKJYbmwoWttpkzZLxuxPUzc4clG4 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis I don't quite get your fx chain: Is it stereo/mono IN -> FX -> stereo out? For mixing, stereo+mono inputs, you could use something like this: http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm combine it with additional Lehle/Morley/Nobels etc. footswitches... ... or you might just get your new Ultralite/Fireface and do software routing ;-) kind regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 06:14:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64893BE7E; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=uSX7618RjU3WdEZDGCOiXz2u4mQckzfqVEM0W7GnN+0=; b=j7huMLaUYjSy1EaYDfnuuclA787TOmpL6m6WD0+pZ2aXLEdkxAOgS6HELHtNnbAqVE EILuVm8pCk4pLszzJCvUeej2V6FjhvEzN5FBWkRA6s6u9/0Ydw8RGH2YKBTv0efmKOXL 1zhkUSvkYtmvL6J4zpy3hKGuSlam55LmG22G4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pB0O5msB30SMbMO+0ZlNKQBrBGlnHIvR+UKE/Txd9MdF/KxznfY5NWyx3DanxmVV8j NITZfVVWN6qopuzFFFH437b1G6MazJJn9IYBLZb1jl7X3xoX08WeRkEBsGfxKjwP/Wko toHJ0uNtsjUg+xxqPdDRiTEHZWWVpuRhor5vA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:52:27 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: uff! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64950_7024484.1229406747329" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:14:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_64950_7024484.1229406747329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_64950_7024484.1229406747329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM
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(B.O.A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A5C3BE81; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rKevic4i3ngNNnG0BeO0k1/0BQGfRJKXe2qcS3ew5iI=; b=nfxFk6VjKgsjnenoeJWU8JQcw0bo2NOW6bPsCcx1ab5+ZptDSdzX13gojG7QHFCCGO Hf+1Sljhw3LD357L0yCiGiHhVb3BJDwsqYzp4yzCOo2YKfflHevgebW7SUTJLiZHgdsa IHCxIUO2qpYdQLZ9aji9rWosWXifKnX24Zjb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DQ8HX2bo6Auba+Lx7011R8K/Zm34wBG57Hkwpvh9bsyBAOiEo/6HA1JldUYvcyX3ib HehPnDXuy6VT8wwGEnALBoo8vwdgpz4jzIAhxpDY2aVNVhJhB1owZf2CyimWhHxc95uN ZVQ4waLBZ4SBFWOLPeewT6mG8t3l9onlqXn+I= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812160110v1af2cfc5y43e85267f3b559dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:10:36 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_148918_18171972.1229418636261" References: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: db9f6c72a27c0b12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:10:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_148918_18171972.1229418636261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I always thought it would be really cool to have guitar tuned C C C C C C, > just for the sake of > overtone manipulation only. > > Anyone have thoughts on this? would I seriously screw up my strat to do > that? > > Ive done it on a bass, but with guitar strings... Are people really worried about what a tuning can do to the neck, to be honest Ive never thought about it... For me, the general rule has always been, if the string breaks, its too tight, if the action is bad, its too loose!! Ive never been one for "alternate tunings" per se, however... Ive tried (till my recent and probably stuck for ever use of a baritone) all sorts of "One man band" things for getting BASS into my setup. The most fun was during my band called god.com. Used a regular guitar (Ibanez) with the High E and B string removed and with the G and D replaced with short scale BASS strings... So... Add distortion pedal... with a regular bar chord, (slighly avoiding the G string) you get a 2 note chord and its bass equivilant... I experimented with weird pickups so that I could feed the bass strings off to a seperate cab (for an UN-distorted sound,) It worked VERY well!!! to hear how it sounded: check out the tracks from God.com here: http://www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/archive.html The guitar is one take no overdubs... music is horrible!!! a kind of metal - noise - techno thing... YIKES!!! what was I thinking??? mark PS: I got married yesterday guys... wish me luck!! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_148918_18171972.1229418636261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I always thought it would be really cool to have guitar tuned C C C C C C,   just for the sake of
overtone manipulation only.

Anyone have thoughts on this?    would I seriously screw up my strat to do that?

Ive done it on a bass, but with guitar strings... Are people really worried about what a tuning can do to the neck, to be honest Ive never thought about it... For me, the general rule has always been, if the string breaks, its too tight, if the action is bad, its too loose!!

 Ive never been one for "alternate tunings" per se, however... Ive tried (till my recent and probably stuck for ever use of a baritone) all sorts of "One man band" things for getting BASS into my setup. The most fun was during my band called god.com. Used a regular guitar (Ibanez) with the High E and B string removed and with the G and D replaced with short scale BASS strings... So... Add distortion pedal... with a regular bar chord, (slighly avoiding the G string) you get a 2 note chord and its bass equivilant... I experimented with weird pickups so that I could feed the bass strings off to a seperate cab (for an UN-distorted sound,) It worked VERY well!!!

to hear how it sounded: check out the tracks from God.com here: http://www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/archive.html

The guitar is one take no overdubs... music is horrible!!!  a kind of metal - noise - techno thing... YIKES!!! what was I thinking???

mark

PS: I got married yesterday guys... wish me luck!!

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------=_Part_148918_18171972.1229418636261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:15:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF8143BE82; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w8r+whcjQebXgU5oytjDmUC3f9O0T8MZlT8H+aqoQ6TMoSMoSOVsjtkA4z6jGmWrGxPJkKegfNVjmrkMdNRRoHCVdjjsyzZP4FTcyi5wf6owDzlY7f3vQ+qM8Q//LZbSDPbPfTldW76XzWk7WGffRJcoJYWrP0kdFj810BYVLro=; X-YMail-OSG: ws2n5FsVM1ljQNznc.2C5wNePrpLNopiBUlZ6TCc06G9s5wzcEBZFzZ6KjIbc4mCa0NkwC.1z._YFgdIEEnuVwAT8ADfX_DjQ7rJ2K2ifP1DuHUmitg7Lo1SGuTrs2t5FEVNhF.LllPAB83xI2F.pW0Ko77APLdUyj2Ss.HC7f9SWlfsRJAS_kEX X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:15:32 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitars routing through pedalboard problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081216004852.111660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <132063.31026.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey Buzap, well i havent ordered the ultralite,maybe someday i still have my firebox w= ith standalone mobius and my Pedalboard. The thought of doing all looping and fx proccesing with software sounds ide= al but i am too chicken to do it live yet;-)at the moment i rather give mob= ius acid tests and work with Jeff to have the mac version as stable as the = Win version and master it before i start including further software like bi= dule etc. My Efx chain has both mono and stereo efx,kind of a drag because of my guit= ar stereo output,it would be offcourse easier to go through a rack stereo f= x unit or ditch the trance audio and just use the normal b-band guitar pick= up but ther trance audio sounds so good and its stereo image is beautiful t= hat i want ot start using it more live.I also i havent found an efx procces= sor for acoustic guitar that gives me what i want so here i am with a bunch= of independent stomps. so this the way i have it: Acoustic steel string with amulate trance audio stereo system(one pickup am= plifies 3 bass strings (EAD) one the other the treble strings(GBE).Stereo c= able goes into amulet preamp,then stereo out signal goes as follows: treble string pickup goes through-Digitech vocalist 4 fx and IQ harmonizer,= boss OC3,EH micro pog,nobels booster,eventide timefactor,DL4. Bass pickup goes through-eventide second input-dl4 second input. yes this nobels little signal mixer is about the only one ive found http://www.soundland.de/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/209871/languag= e/uk/arcstatus_change/deact?osCsid=3D05c66659bd1ae57f4fcfd1f1fd964021 i just hope i can still find space in my board! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: guitars routing through pedalboard problem > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 4:48 PM > Hi Luis >=20 > I don't quite get your fx chain: Is it stereo/mono IN > -> FX -> stereo out? >=20 > For mixing, stereo+mono inputs, you could use something > like this: > http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm >=20 > combine it with additional Lehle/Morley/Nobels etc. > footswitches... >=20 > ... or you might just get your new Ultralite/Fireface and > do software routing ;-) >=20 > kind regards > Buzap >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sensationsangebot verl=E4ngert: GMX FreeDSL - > Telefonanschluss + DSL=20 > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416553BE80; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CPcQUZjbweFWxWESEA/ScaDfmSikujneFPEi9/nO8pfqCj2CYIBDnsKYEZaLr9KG0VSh1buk/CgODkr1EoyN+sCvH1gWTSU2rNcqSCs3ANK+tkkO7xooxVspgx0ZU8+3Wkj0POoJKToJZs9zpyXNvs8aLstZIxKQDoJM5iKVQ+A=; X-YMail-OSG: PtI12.YVM1kc.GnGU.0RoA5CIWVeuJe.7kUZKCuYr4g2iX4NOWmvqH_aUT9jW865ygJt5DPZeWeqXhBTGABrNUeYw3BZOrm0pXYxIcfHOfTr3eQtBHYEPIx7nIbv2W.FIvQYMKdv2ekW6tN8OMiZoT47o.XmyE2jls8tWJGz9iq3fW.URc2cmrd3N9ivxRMzAB_wh4ISRAxYu3M7r789xPAqypw8VSPqUp_ZdS0U4.wfc303kHY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: uff! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <323028.89421.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:19:08 +0000 (UTC) i see there is a mac on a stand,right???no more EDP? is he using the mac to loop now? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Raul Bonell wrote: > From: Raul Bonell > Subject: uff! > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:52 PM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:33:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62EF83BE8C; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4oUD7pX7eyn1Mag4A9Of87CcYVp/msTWgtiGa3oFQ6w=; b=VGEDOTsHP3SK1d5HjFhRF/uhBuDQZjqhFDqH0ir5r0cTnq/HHVJoEgAqvOqvnHBQf6 bMe8ftHfEEsq6gf7mq0rRZ4qRojFYd068Bs1aKLTyznxKj+KeiWLO2FOzdgWR1EoAs1C ZOIXUFkr4AYPTmcZw7+AE5q/nj4/1PnhGyDH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Ncv+7vX2fxB2ZJ3RdkdqPrEITZTP7PI9PLa5DjXddoNdLwsxxaCrEteWFiU2MFtPnn uqarZKXYvEojA/g0vIWCwSjf8D1ShXCsqafjrnyqm/dI3LuMLrnrSR16zdewtOR/GiQq d9U9nEHGejr0MxpYeEK3bbu2wYgVnaVXkYcY8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812160133lf7b091fq414863d8f7b54252@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:33:56 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0812160110v1af2cfc5y43e85267f3b559dd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> <9ab0c76f0812160110v1af2cfc5y43e85267f3b559dd@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:33:57 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:10 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> I always thought it would be really cool to have guitar tuned C C C C C C, >> just for the sake of >> overtone manipulation only. >> >> Anyone have thoughts on this? would I seriously screw up my strat to do >> that? >> > Ive done it on a bass, but with guitar strings... Are people really worried > about what a tuning can do to the neck, to be honest Ive never thought about > it... For me, the general rule has always been, if the string breaks, its > too tight, if the action is bad, its too loose!! > > Ive never been one for "alternate tunings" per se, however... Ive tried > (till my recent and probably stuck for ever use of a baritone) all sorts of > "One man band" things for getting BASS into my setup. The most fun was > during my band called god.com. Used a regular guitar (Ibanez) with the High > E and B string removed and with the G and D replaced with short scale BASS > strings... So... Add distortion pedal... with a regular bar chord, (slighly > avoiding the G string) you get a 2 note chord and its bass equivilant... I > experimented with weird pickups so that I could feed the bass strings off to > a seperate cab (for an UN-distorted sound,) It worked VERY well!!! > > to hear how it sounded: check out the tracks from God.com here: > http://www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/archive.html > > The guitar is one take no overdubs... music is horrible!!! a kind of metal > - noise - techno thing... YIKES!!! what was I thinking??? > > mark Hey Mark - that's just an awesome guitar sound! And I totally dig the music! I had a band in 88-91 that sounded very close to that, but not with such awesome guitar sound as yours (I played more like Steve Stevens in those days, much because everyone else thought it was cool). We signed with a record label that went bankrupt and then everyone wanted to move on into different directions. I think the louder the music the shorter the band lives ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 09:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6272F3BE8F; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PE7gXnxpD+Okx3B8KS3fiL//UCtzg5bNI08N/aFSI7w=; b=UeFZgKCtyU4Ni77J6dvwW9yD2YhHMJEIr0ckID3wBEYBsh5fD6mn0165M5JQz4W2eZ PZllus2vqOUzGwdJ8UsO81Fo79DvTWQ0zU0dqzEmraOPFwi8uiRn2xXyXQoBppxEp+oZ GOsvZn3B+1vqPLJcCbrIi7o9iAaoHHuRmVIhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=U+oagoFiDOCY3XZqGcyZEjjE2WCxi+xVVgRre2AFvbV4M/SzD4VUlJ9VOHrYxd/zOG FTpc6rdEdng0P1ZrKUuqcTIOEWGI903WhrCH/mCT1kv6lPiMu1FHUjeS5dfq6/zKU5wp sPMkDviWjMV0ZMQ/20zQCvEgran3CEWJiW8pQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0812160136g31a8520cjb85951222ab16091@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:36:59 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: uff! In-Reply-To: <323028.89421.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <323028.89421.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:37:00 +0000 (UTC) I think what you hear in the video is the sound of an EDP. "Substitute stuff" ;-)) I'm not sure a software looper can do that. Maybe Mobius, but I've never tried myself. Per On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > i see there is a mac on a stand,right???no more EDP? is he using the mac to loop now? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Raul Bonell wrote: > >> From: Raul Bonell >> Subject: uff! >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:52 PM >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 10:14:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FCDB3BE92; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=AJsipJrXA8hUnmRxv6E8HC8XPJfCur0L64mD49u9e7A=; b=fsxtiGyzKJm6NbORbfQteYwx5DuHu2QbvqP+kCUPKROCCxArHMBYJOpvTszArTvSqs /k1lCKTwN1EVG0ZhI08ijyO0sjNPntMHsHcjhryPYqIdxDVraME8NpfWgGBNhpDssS9W uuJAhsUgM6nu/oODeSGaey0PZCo1343I8pmDI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pShstTySthPF+ORIZoTAEs+C40jkSTNWkh6lepSQJEc4KSAib6Su/ddfdbOUOA+cdS Z7hEeW9J2zqxuWZC5QQS3Inp1FLG2f7/9edQSl0Obw7/BC/z/gOo2iiwkJJGfl2qP/Du ASITSj/I1wDrHaCOCauMLzAGpAaOV9M1fp4Sw= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812160214y2515b38apba248268124df768@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:14:27 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812160133lf7b091fq414863d8f7b54252@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_150200_16118504.1229422467404" References: <4945D4AB.8020802@cruzio.com> <9ab0c76f0812160110v1af2cfc5y43e85267f3b559dd@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0812160133lf7b091fq414863d8f7b54252@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 49f60a21715ab21e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:14:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_150200_16118504.1229422467404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Per!! Yes I still love the guitar sound too... I think the distortion was simply an old Boss distortion that I sold, it was stereo and somehow put some kind of ADT on to give it that BIG sound... the bass end here is a tad mulched in with the guitar, but that WAS the nature of the technique really, plus we didnt have to have a bass player.. infact it was just me, the drummer and the singer, she also fired off samples. small band... big noise!!! m > Hey Mark - that's just an awesome guitar sound! And I totally dig the > music! I had a band in 88-91 that sounded very close to that, but not > with such awesome guitar sound as yours (I played more like Steve > Stevens in those days, much because everyone else thought it was > cool). We signed with a record label that went bankrupt and then > everyone wanted to move on into different directions. I think the > louder the music the shorter the band lives ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_150200_16118504.1229422467404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Per!!

Yes I still love the guitar sound too... I think the distortion was simply an old Boss distortion that I sold, it was stereo and somehow put some kind of ADT on to give it that BIG sound... the bass end here is a tad mulched in with the guitar, but that WAS the nature of the technique really, plus we didnt have to have a bass player.. infact it was just me, the drummer and the singer, she also fired off samples. small band... big noise!!!

m



Hey Mark - that's just an awesome guitar sound! And I totally dig the
music!  I had a band in 88-91 that sounded very close to that, but not
with such awesome guitar sound as yours (I played more like Steve
Stevens in those days, much because everyone else thought it was
cool). We signed with a record label that went bankrupt and then
everyone wanted to move on into different directions. I think the
louder the music the shorter the band lives ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550




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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
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------=_Part_150200_16118504.1229422467404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 16 10:17:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F9E63BE94; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=8lHHouJUIpt3R3wfK3zAgbog0g9NWmzeqvaQKKEj8rc=; b=hjtqmkoTZ5aoDSUzuXJ2dpktumdI2A3M6o1EFD9O/PujvXDdbUBPCDHAuTs7FyY7WP M82goYqCnZzm58FZ2t/8CEKcVotmfzRHt6iHNsUp1Tif1bFdiWHhTTkX7+kX68X3sStK tCjSVLYF3EX2uessg43Lr3LIVquRihCozJ7HI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MLbeQ4X4g/qm6onKphfcq6BtvC7JCmR7t/ihEDoj73TT5AUZ6LvN9G8Tj/8QV+V1H5 Q/qzbsoGT4m+omuS4Ip20ToET1CJmp/tYgfnLPf/sT/Abd9hcLhmWG4VwqT5C+TMQVl7 OlyOb9gJs19ZRG1V3ZxrALW2VK4EJou47OR24= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0812160217g23856a91j3bc5bf4abd8a0ed8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:17:48 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: uff! In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0812160136g31a8520cjb85951222ab16091@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_150224_739892.1229422668835" References: <323028.89421.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0812160136g31a8520cjb85951222ab16091@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0737bc3a829ab2b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:17:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_150224_739892.1229422668835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sure is an EDP... no doubt!!! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I think what you hear in the video is the sound of an EDP. "Substitute > stuff" ;-)) > I'm not sure a software looper can do that. Maybe Mobius, but I've > never tried myself. > > Per > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > > i see there is a mac on a stand,right???no more EDP? is he using the mac > to loop now? > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > >> From: Raul Bonell > >> Subject: uff! > >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > >> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:52 PM > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM > > > > > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_150224_739892.1229422668835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sure is an EDP... no doubt!!!



On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what you hear in the video is the sound of an EDP. "Substitute
stuff" ;-))
I'm not sure a software looper can do that. Maybe Mobius, but I've
never tried myself.

Per


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i see there is a mac on a stand,right???no more EDP? is he using the mac to loop now?
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>> Subject: uff!
>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:52 PM
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4K6Ls1rlM


>
>




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