From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 3 08:49:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 389A61012FB; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZM+BEiYWyIyRXBN8Qm4zvWp6EEgkvokaAvE4YzBvysA=; b=P0yC8G4fSK/RqmJ41FYtVpIBhHE5RPFVtu6GoEmmIb7RKBv7bZ7LSfrQ/98xphQp6h 66fEK/h2ppmklb7V96l+B/kpTuaZfWcPJlnNBwDrsHy3fdeU/rMUufLZKxx4ItJT/WV2 0u5DVhoAWrPLnTJEn4JtxRLllHXpLdil9RYTTQpr+zW4ENev1BlsjlXunEWQgEAnMgq4 6HvvAldBwJNMKF6+KCqFRZxx/GHZ1Ocvi7lSx+KxH/53IFqQUn4tF3zwKOj5r0nmCqUD sUuI3shuB+UjZFxa3EGUxM8L/z5zARd99tn0X1Ur1GwOcikqWj4NFtQdtGZHrymXVNCI 2FVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.85.13 with SMTP id j13mr16746423oib.77.1446540575327; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 00:49:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:49:35 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? From: michael noble To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d3008254cc105239ef9f2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:49:36 +0000 (UTC) --001a113d3008254cc105239ef9f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Not sure what your standard for "popular" is as there are many tools in those initial resources that you have not included. But, three software tools not on the list are: http://openavproductions.com/luppp/ http://www.giadamusic.com/ http://kluppe.klingt.org/ On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:53 AM, nome que todos podem ver < magodasmontanhascaminhantesdosul@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today. This > would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes > developed in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever > you could use in your music for live-looping. > > > I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to > get started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still > have a feeling there might be tools missing. > > > The list so far is here: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=sharing > > > Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in > private! > > > This would help a lot! > > > Cheers, > > PS: This is my first email to this list! :) > > [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/ > [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm > [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > > -- > Jeronimo > > --001a113d3008254cc105239ef9f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure what your standard for "popular" is as = there are many tools in those initial resources that you have not included.= But, three software tools not on the list are:


On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:53 AM, nome que todos podem = ver <magodasmontanhascaminhantesdosul@hotmail.c= om> wrote:
Hello,


I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping = today.=C2=A0This would include tools manufac= tured by music tech industry, prototypes developed in academic researches, = iOS/android apps... basically, whatever you could use in your music for liv= e-looping.


I've found these four amazing resources [1= ][2][3][4] which helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, = impressive work!), but I still have a feeling there might be tools missing.=


The list so far is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8Oi= zOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing


Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in = private!


This would help a lot!


Cheers,


PS: This is my first email to this = list! :)


--001a113d3008254cc105239ef9f2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 3 13:56:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E507D1012F7; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 634 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:56:18 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DGAQDzuThWORqIT08NNxojAQEBAQkBAYI8gSBvwDoHFwENgjqDNwKCBQEBAQEBAQcBAQEBQYR1AQEBA3gRCxgJFg8JAwIBAgExFBMIAQEFiDI7rxeRdAEBAQEBBQEBAQEBAQEci2aEKhEBgwAMQoExBZJmg2CFHYIkhzxIg3eOPYN2g3KEZ3IBARKEKYFBAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A2DGAQDzuThWORqIT08NNxojAQEBAQkBAYI8gSBvwDoHFwENgjqDNwKCBQEBAQEBAQcBAQEBQYR1AQEBA3gRCxgJFg8JAwIBAgExFBMIAQEFiDI7rxeRdAEBAQEBBQEBAQEBAQEci2aEKhEBgwAMQoExBZJmg2CFHYIkhzxIg3eOPYN2g3KEZ3IBARKEKYFBAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,239,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="803384176" Message-ID: <5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020709010509060706080002" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:56:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020709010509060706080002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good work :-) I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though, there's just so many multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. (well, you're aware of that, of course) Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay for looping purposes. You might want to add Old stuff: Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available, and still appreciated for it's sound quality) Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) New Stuff Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple of units that loop) To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, have a look here http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik). BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's cool. Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with livelooping.org ? andy On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote: > Hello, > > > I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes developed in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever you could use in your music for live-looping. > > > I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still have a feeling there might be tools missing. > > > The list so far is here: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=sharing > > > Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in private! > > > This would help a lot! > > > Cheers, > > > PS: This is my first email to this list! :) > > [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/ > [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm > [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > > -- > Jeronimo > --------------020709010509060706080002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Good work :-)

I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though, there's just so many
multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
(well, you're aware of that, of course)

Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay for looping purposes.

You might want to add
Old stuff:
Lexicon JamMan  ( one of the first available, and still appreciated for it's sound quality)
Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)

New Stuff
Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
Nux LoopCore  (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple of units that loop)

To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, have a look here
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40



Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik).
BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's cool.


Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with livelooping.org ?

andy




On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote:
Hello,


I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes developed in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever you could use in your music for live-looping.


I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still have a feeling there might be tools missing.


The list so far is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=sharing


Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in private!


This would help a lot!


Cheers,


PS: This is my first email to this list! :)


--
Jeronimo 


--------------020709010509060706080002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 3 18:13:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7EE1012F7; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:13:45 UTC X-TMN: [la1oE60wHBha7vJSAqHm4G18u7MlXwl2] X-Originating-Email: [anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d7f0bd1f-d586-41b7-85fc-f5481296c189_" From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:08:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,<5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2015 18:08:43.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACDC9B80:01D11662] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:13:45 +0000 (UTC) --_d7f0bd1f-d586-41b7-85fc-f5481296c189_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I miss my favorite loopper=2C Make Noise Phonogene..threre are several loop= er in Eurorack=2C another one i use (but mostly for granular synthesis=2C a= ltough it granulates a loop) is Mutable Instruments Clouds.. Soon 4ms pedal= s will also release a double looper in eurorack.. To hear some Eurorack loo= ping check out this clip:https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-element= s-of-autumn-genes-and-grainsAnd all clips here with "Teddy" in the titel (i= n fact MOST my eurorack stuff includes loops in some form but these loop a = guitar) loops guitar:https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl Best.. Anders Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= Good work :-) =0A= =20 =0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many=20 =0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. =0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course) =0A= =20 =0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes. =0A= =20 =0A= You might want to add =0A= Old stuff: =0A= Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available=2C and still appreciated= =0A= for it's sound quality) =0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) =0A= =20 =0A= New Stuff =0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) =0A= Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a couple of= =0A= units that loop) =0A= =20 =0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here =0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitaris= ts-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik). =0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ? =0A= =20 =0A= andy =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos=0A= podem ver wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hello=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manu= factured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I've found these=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= The list so far is here:=0A= https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8= ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so=2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= This would help a lot!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Cheers=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= PS: This is my first email to this list! :)=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/=0A= [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php=0A= [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm=0A= [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=0A= Jeronimo =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 = --_d7f0bd1f-d586-41b7-85fc-f5481296c189_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I miss my favorite loopper=2C Make Noise Phonogene..threre are several looper in Eurorack=2C another= one i use (but mostly for granular synthesis=2C altough it granulates a lo= op) is Mutable Instruments Clouds.. =3B
Soon 4ms pedals will= also release a double looper in eurorack.. =3B
To hear some = Eurorack looping check out this clip:
And all clips here with "Teddy" in the titel (in f= act MOST my eurorack stuff includes loops in some form but these loop a gui= tar) loops guitar:

Best..

Anders

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=0A= Good work :-)
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=0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many
=0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
=0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course)
=0A=
=0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes.
=0A=
=0A= You might want to add
=0A= Old stuff:
=0A= Lexicon JamMan =3B ( one of the first available=2C and still apprec= iated=0A= for it's sound quality)
=0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)
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=0A= New Stuff
=0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
=0A= Nux LoopCore =3B (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a cou= ple of=0A= units that loop)
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=0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here
=0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/boar= d/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacture= rs.1539563/page-40
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=0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik).
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=0A=
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=0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ?
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I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. =3BThis would include tools manufactured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.

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I've found t= hese=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.

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The list so far is here:

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fR= P8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing

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Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so= =2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!

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This would help a lot!

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Cheers=2C

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PS: This is my first email to this list! :)
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= --_d7f0bd1f-d586-41b7-85fc-f5481296c189_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 3 21:41:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475C81012FF; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [k93gWoNEGjmvfxIkVdqZw7/DKFWtf8rx] X-Originating-Email: [anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d9d3b62f-fa3c-442a-bd08-6453de77e592_" From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:41:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,<5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2015 21:41:08.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[59DBB150:01D11680] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:41:10 +0000 (UTC) --_d9d3b62f-fa3c-442a-bd08-6453de77e592_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen know it started with long= delay loops=2C which at the time were a second or more... i often do grain= loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the that use=2C almost=2C any= thing..=20 Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= Good work :-) =0A= =20 =0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many=20 =0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. =0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course) =0A= =20 =0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes. =0A= =20 =0A= You might want to add =0A= Old stuff: =0A= Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available=2C and still appreciated= =0A= for it's sound quality) =0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) =0A= =20 =0A= New Stuff =0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) =0A= Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a couple of= =0A= units that loop) =0A= =20 =0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here =0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitaris= ts-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik). =0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ? =0A= =20 =0A= andy =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos=0A= podem ver wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hello=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manu= factured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I've found these=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= The list so far is here:=0A= https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8= ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so=2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= This would help a lot!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Cheers=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= PS: This is my first email to this list! :)=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/=0A= [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php=0A= [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm=0A= [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=0A= Jeronimo =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 = --_d9d3b62f-fa3c-442a-bd08-6453de77e592_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42= .. looping as wen know it started with long delay loops=2C which at the tim= e were a second or more... i often do grain loops that are milliseconds.. b= ut i'm one of the that use=2C almost=2C anything.. =3B

Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000
From: akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:= Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing?

= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A= Good work :-)
=0A=
=0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many
=0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
=0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course)
=0A=
=0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes.
=0A=
=0A= You might want to add
=0A= Old stuff:
=0A= Lexicon JamMan =3B ( one of the first available=2C and still apprec= iated=0A= for it's sound quality)
=0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)
= =0A=
=0A= New Stuff
=0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
=0A= Nux LoopCore =3B (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a cou= ple of=0A= units that loop)
=0A=
=0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here
=0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/boar= d/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacture= rs.1539563/page-40
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik).
=0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool.
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ?
=0A=
=0A= andy
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos= =0A= podem ver wrote:
=0A=
=0A=
= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
Hello=2C
=0A=
=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. =3BThis would include tools manufactured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

I've found t= hese=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

The list so far is here:

=0A=

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fR= P8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so= =2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

This would help a lot!

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

Cheers=2C

=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
PS: This is my first email to this list! :)
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

=0A=
=0A=
--
=0A=
Jeronimo =3B
=0A=

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= --_d9d3b62f-fa3c-442a-bd08-6453de77e592_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 4 00:56:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74C2D1012FC; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0BQisxhV9ldZtLIpbr7luk+ng4fVMnzcChltSkem22M=; b=zIIe8smodsl6D/uGNBPPhQPIOBIQ84SDKtvGNIbZ/mVX3JW3ybcGM/xoPJ2zrBK5pg eBIaj1yUFW/y8zLvrcztHbjjGHXOEyIsp4Kv8AFBJeO3UmhWtQK+vgVG0XOSi24sTDU9 tT3sW8N9/C1013TShvNqrGwi7BxMXkfESmiSLgUnWzejAw5DjVtPFCD+NekodSTvns9l vedl10HYTzEFj16FdimSmUZhApKlpJlYQOSa7VQ2CPG8Ml1AjdmSNPjZIr4jZ975ThRt SPCdCAh+vR6qrA2rKY55t29nvqEc8+HYTb5gB+NPmaWMQGDFkt8U+AUlVeluvXhoshcR cxTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.51.70 with SMTP id z67mr21095458wmz.25.1446598604354; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:56:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? From: Guy Taylor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114432fcf1ffb40523ac7be8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:56:45 +0000 (UTC) --001a114432fcf1ffb40523ac7be8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I also didn't see any of the Looperative product in the list. Namely the LP1 and LP2. The Digitech Trio definitely doesn't record audio, it 'listens' to audio and then build a backing track. Cheers Guy On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Anders Bergdahl < anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen know it started with > long delay loops, which at the time were a second or more... i often do > grain loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the that use, almost, > anything.. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be > missing? > > > Good work :-) > > I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though, > there's just so many > multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. > (well, you're aware of that, of course) > > Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay > for looping purposes. > > You might want to add > Old stuff: > Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available, and still appreciated for > it's sound quality) > Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) > > New Stuff > Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) > Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple of units > that loop) > > To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, > have a look here > > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 > > > > Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik). > BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's > cool. > > > Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with > livelooping.org ? > > andy > > > > > On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote: > > Hello, > > > I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today. This > would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes > developed in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever > you could use in your music for live-looping. > > > I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to > get started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still > have a feeling there might be tools missing. > > > The list so far is here: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=sharing > > > Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in > private! > > > This would help a lot! > > > Cheers, > > PS: This is my first email to this list! :) > > [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/ > [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm > [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > > -- > Jeronimo > > > --001a114432fcf1ffb40523ac7be8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I also didn't see any of the Looperative produc= t in the list. Namely the LP1 and LP2.

The Digitech= Trio=C2=A0definitely=C2=A0doesn't record audio, it 'listens' t= o audio and then build a backing track.
Cheers
Guy

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen kno= w it started with long delay loops, which at the time were a second or more= ... i often do grain loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the t= hat use, almost, anything..=C2=A0


Date: T= ue, 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000
From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool y= ou know I might be missing?

=20 =20 =20 =20
Good work :-)

I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though= , there's just so many
multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
(well, you're aware of that, of course)

Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay for looping purposes.

You might want to add
Old stuff:
Lexicon JamMan=C2=A0 ( one of the first available, and still appreciate= d for it's sound quality)
Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)

New Stuff
Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
Nux LoopCore=C2=A0 (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a cou= ple of units that loop)

To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, have a look here
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-gui= tarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40



Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik).
BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's cool.


Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with livelooping.org ?

andy




On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote:
=20
Hello,

PS: This is my first email to this list! :)


--
Jeronimo=C2=A0



--001a114432fcf1ffb40523ac7be8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 4 02:19:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9396B101315; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 479 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 02:19:33 UTC X-TMN: [GZFw5pCQbNNs1n6kjUvEiQ2rPuy0u5RJ] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e77c9bca-7313-4f16-9f54-eed32f10bd26_" From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Favourites missing RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:11:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2015 02:11:34.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[2107DA40:01D116A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:19:33 +0000 (UTC) --_e77c9bca-7313-4f16-9f54-eed32f10bd26_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My two favourites and chief want-to-own are missing - the Seymour Duncan De= jaVu hybrid delay (Digital delay that first sends the signal through a buck= et brigade chip) which basically gives me a 24 second bucket brigade device= - the Strymon El Capistan tape emulator neither of these have undo or multi track - they're in the category of simp= le loopers with the Akai Headrush=2C my third favourite for sound. My chief want-to-own not there is the Makenoise Phonogene which emulates th= e original tape device of Schaeffershttp://www.makenoisemusic.com/phonogene= .shtmlgranular looping Strymon timeline's also missing - I had one and sold it despite loving the = sound because it was too complicated for my underpowered mind to use when p= laying. Date: Wed=2C 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100 Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? From: geekon@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi=2C I also didn't see any of the Looperative product in the list. Namely the LP= 1 and LP2. The Digitech Trio definitely doesn't record audio=2C it 'listens' to audio = and then build a backing track.CheersGuy On Wed=2C Nov 4=2C 2015 at 8:41 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen know it started with long= delay loops=2C which at the time were a second or more... i often do grain= loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the that use=2C almost=2C any= thing..=20 Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= Good work :-) =0A= =20 =0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many=20 =0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. =0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course) =0A= =20 =0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes. =0A= =20 =0A= You might want to add =0A= Old stuff: =0A= Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available=2C and still appreciated= =0A= for it's sound quality) =0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) =0A= =20 =0A= New Stuff =0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) =0A= Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a couple of= =0A= units that loop) =0A= =20 =0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here =0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitaris= ts-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik). =0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ? =0A= =20 =0A= andy =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos=0A= podem ver wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hello=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manu= factured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= I've found these=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= The list so far is here: =0A= https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8= ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so=2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private! =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= This would help a lot! =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Cheers=2C =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= PS: This is my first email to this list! :)=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/=0A= [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php=0A= [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm=0A= [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=0A= Jeronimo =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= = --_e77c9bca-7313-4f16-9f54-eed32f10bd26_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My two favourites and chief want= -to-own are missing =3B
- the Seymour Duncan DejaVu hybrid delay (D= igital delay that first sends the signal through a bucket brigade chip) whi= ch basically gives me a 24 second bucket brigade device
- the Str= ymon El Capistan tape emulator

neither of these ha= ve undo or multi track - they're in the category of simple loopers with the= Akai Headrush=2C my third favourite for sound.

My= chief want-to-own not there is the Makenoise Phonogene which emulates the = original tape device of Schaeffers
granular looping

Strymon timel= ine's also missing - I had one and sold it despite loving the sound because= it was too complicated for my underpowered mind to use when playing.

Date: Wed=2C 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100
Su= bject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing= ?
From: geekon@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Hi=2C
I also didn't see any of the Looperative produ= ct in the list. Namely the LP1 and LP2.

The Digitec= h Trio =3Bdefinitely =3Bdoesn't record audio=2C it 'listens' to aud= io and then build a backing track.
Cheers
<= div style=3D"">Guy

On Wed=2C Nov 4=2C 2015 at 8:41 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl <= span dir=3D"ltr"><=3Banders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
=0A= =0A= =0A=
Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen kno= w it started with long delay loops=2C which at the time were a second or mo= re... i often do grain loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the tha= t use=2C almost=2C anything.. =3B


Date: Tue=2C 3= Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000
From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you kn= ow I might be missing?

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A= Good work :-)
=0A=
=0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many
=0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
=0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course)
=0A=
=0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes.
=0A=
=0A= You might want to add
=0A= Old stuff:
=0A= Lexicon JamMan =3B ( one of the first available=2C and still apprec= iated=0A= for it's sound quality)
=0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)
= =0A=
=0A= New Stuff
=0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
=0A= Nux LoopCore =3B (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a cou= ple of=0A= units that loop)
=0A=
=0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here
=0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-gui= tarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik).
=0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool.
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ?
=0A=
=0A= andy
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos=0A= podem ver wrote:
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= =0A=
=0A=
Hello=2C
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. =3BThis would include tools manufactured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.
=0A=
=0A=

=0A= I've found these=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= The list so far is here:
=0A=
https:/= /docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPo= M/edit?usp=3Dsharing
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so=2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= This would help a lot!
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Cheers=2C
=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
PS: This is my first email to this list! :)
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

=0A=
=0A=
--
=0A=
Jeronimo =3B
=0A=

=0A=
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= --_e77c9bca-7313-4f16-9f54-eed32f10bd26_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 4 02:28:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80738101315; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [avWpytD03igkQGeCviRAfrLPUrmOyt9l] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_597d841f-9ac4-46c7-84a7-88b562d9eeb6_" From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Phonogene RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:27:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2015 02:28:00.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C809D20:01D116A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 02:28:00 +0000 (UTC) --_597d841f-9ac4-46c7-84a7-88b562d9eeb6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I missed this mail=2C so didn't realise it's already been mentioned. Still = want one though. From: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 18:08:43 +0000 =0A= =0A= =0A= I miss my favorite loopper=2C Make Noise Phonogene..threre are several loop= er in Eurorack=2C another one i use (but mostly for granular synthesis=2C a= ltough it granulates a loop) is Mutable Instruments Clouds.. Soon 4ms pedal= s will also release a double looper in eurorack.. To hear some Eurorack loo= ping check out this clip:https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-element= s-of-autumn-genes-and-grainsAnd all clips here with "Teddy" in the titel (i= n fact MOST my eurorack stuff includes loops in some form but these loop a = guitar) loops guitar:https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl Best.. Anders Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missi= ng? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= Good work :-) =0A= =20 =0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many=20 =0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. =0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course) =0A= =20 =0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes. =0A= =20 =0A= You might want to add =0A= Old stuff: =0A= Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available=2C and still appreciated= =0A= for it's sound quality) =0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) =0A= =20 =0A= New Stuff =0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) =0A= Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a couple of= =0A= units that loop) =0A= =20 =0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here =0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitaris= ts-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik). =0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool. =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ? =0A= =20 =0A= andy =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= =20 =0A= On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos=0A= podem ver wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hello=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manu= factured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I've found these=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= The list so far is here:=0A= https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8= ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so=2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= This would help a lot!=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= Cheers=2C=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= PS: This is my first email to this list! :)=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/=0A= [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php=0A= [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm=0A= [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=0A= Jeronimo =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 = --_597d841f-9ac4-46c7-84a7-88b562d9eeb6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I missed this mail=2C so didn't = realise it's already been mentioned. Still want one though.

From: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com
To: loopers-del= ight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any to= ol you know I might be missing?
Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 18:08:43 +0000
=0A= =0A= =0A=
I miss my favorite loopper=2C Make Noise Phonogene.= .threre are several looper in Eurorack=2C another one i use (but mostly for= granular synthesis=2C altough it granulates a loop) is Mutable Instrume= nts Clouds.. =3B
Soon 4ms pedals will also release a double loo= per in eurorack.. =3B
To hear some Eurorack looping check out= this clip:
A= nd all clips here with "Teddy" in the titel (in fact MOST my eurorack stuff= includes loops in some form but these loop a guitar) loops guitar:
https://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl

Best..

Anders


Date: Tue=2C 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000
From: akbutler@tiscali= .co.uk
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Listing l= ive-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing?

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A= Good work :-)
=0A=
=0A= I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though=2C= =0A= there's just so many
=0A= multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
=0A= (well=2C you're aware of that=2C of course)
=0A=
=0A= Also=2C there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a= =0A= delay for looping purposes.
=0A=
=0A= You might want to add
=0A= Old stuff:
=0A= Lexicon JamMan =3B ( one of the first available=2C and still apprec= iated=0A= for it's sound quality)
=0A= Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)
= =0A=
=0A= New Stuff
=0A= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
=0A= Nux LoopCore =3B (or whatever it's called=2C possibly they do a cou= ple of=0A= units that loop)
=0A=
=0A= To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop=0A= with=2C have a look here
=0A= http://www.thegearpage.net/boar= d/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacture= rs.1539563/page-40
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Dunnow about the Trio=2C and Octapad....they don't record sound=0A= (afaik).
=0A= BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then=0A= that's cool.
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Lastly=2C if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with=0A= livelooping.org ?
=0A=
=0A= andy
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
On 22/10/2015 16:53=2C nome que todos= =0A= podem ver wrote:
=0A=
=0A=
= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
Hello=2C
=0A=
=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

I'm trying to list popular tools used by=0A= musicians for live-looping today. =3BThis would include tools manufactured by music=0A= tech industry=2C prototypes developed in academic=0A= researches=2C iOS/android apps... basically=2C whatever you= =0A= could use in your music for live-looping.

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

I've found t= hese=0A= four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get=0A= started (thank you people who made them=2C impressive=0A= work!)=2C but I still have a feeling there might be tools=0A= missing.

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

The list so far is here:

=0A=

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fR= P8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so= =2C=0A= please=2C let me know in private!

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

This would help a lot!

=0A=


=0A=

=0A=

Cheers=2C

=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
PS: This is my first email to this list! :)
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

=0A=
=0A=
--
=0A=
Jeronimo =3B
=0A=

=0A=
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From: Naz Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:59:17 +0000 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <5bcf717a-28d9-4254-9962-f841a1b3e86b@email.android.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5zik8D.A.ooF.88gOWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:59:24 +0000 (UTC) ------5NRH3JKS2GT8GUZVIMGX80OVHXWM8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Sent from my mobile device with Claria=2E __________________________= ___________________ From: Ivodne Galatea Sent: 4 November 2015 02:11:3= 3 GMT To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom" Subject: Favourites missing RE: Listing live-looping tools: = Any tool you know I might be missing? My two favourites and chief want-to= -own are missing - the Seymour Duncan DejaVu hybrid delay (Digital delay = that first sends the signal through a bucket brigade chip) which basically = gives me a 24 second bucket brigade device - the Strymon El Capistan tape = emulator neither of these have undo or multi track - they're in the categ= ory of simple loopers with the Akai Headrush, my third favourite for sound= =2E My chief want-to-own not there is the Makenoise Phonogene which emula= tes the original tape device of Schaeffers http://www=2Emakenoisemusic=2Ec= om/phonogene=2Eshtml granular looping Strymon timeline's also missing - = I had one and sold it despite loving the sound because it was too complicat= ed for my underpowered mind to use when playing=2E _______________________= ______________________ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100 Subject: Re: Listing live-looping too= ls: Any tool you know I might be missing? From: geekon@gmail=2Ecom To: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Hi, I also didn't see any of the Loopera= tive product in the list=2E Namely the LP1 and LP2=2E The Digitech Trio d= efinitely doesn't record audio, it 'listens' to audio and then build a back= ing track=2E Cheers Guy On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Anders Bergdahl= wrote: Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42= =2E=2E looping as wen know it started with long delay loops, which at the t= ime were a second or more=2E=2E=2E i often do grain loops that are millisec= onds=2E=2E but i'm one of the that use, almost, anything=2E=2E _________= ____________________________________ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 From: akbutler@tiscali=2Eco=2Euk To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Listing live-looping too= ls: Any tool you know I might be missing? Good work :-) I think you'll f= ind it impossible to get everything on there though, there's just so many = multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper=2E (well, you're aware of th= at, of course) Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any k= ind of a delay for looping purposes=2E You might want to add Old stuff: Le= xicon JamMan ( one of the first available, and still appreciated for it's = sound quality) Zoom 2100 ( =2E=2E=2Eor leave it out=2E=2E=2E=2Ebut was sign= ificant for fanatics) New Stuff Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) Nux= LoopCore (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple of units tha= t loop) To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop= with, have a look here http://www=2Ethegearpage=2Enet/board/index=2Ephp?th= reads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers=2E1539563/p= age-40 Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad=2E=2E=2E=2Ethey don't record s= ound (afaik)=2E BUT =2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eif you wanted to make a case that they a= re loopers then that's cool=2E Lastly, if you're into documenting this st= uff why not hook up with livelooping=2Eorg ? andy On 22/10/2015 16:53,= nome que todos podem ver wrote: Hello, I'm trying to list popular tool= s used by musicians for live-looping today=2E This would include tools manu= factured by music tech industry, prototypes developed in academic researche= s, iOS/android apps=2E=2E=2E basically, whatever you could use in your musi= c for live-looping=2E I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4= ] which helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, impressiv= e work!), but I still have a feeling there might be tools missing=2E The = list so far is here: https://docs=2Egoogle=2Ecom/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K= 5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing Do you know any tool= I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in private! This would he= lp a lot! Cheers, PS: This is my first email to this list! :) [1] htt= p://www=2Elivelooping=2Eorg/tools/ [2] http://www=2Elooproom=2Ecom/looperc= hart=2Ephp [3] http://loopers-delight=2Ecom/tools/tools=2Ehtm [4] http://= www=2Ekrispenhartung=2Ecom/software-looping=2Ehtm -- Jeronimo = ------5NRH3JKS2GT8GUZVIMGX80OVHXWM8A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: Ivodne Galatea <takas20@hotmail=2Ecom>
Sent: 4 November 2015 02:11:33 GMT
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom" <loopers-d= elight@loopers-delight=2Ecom>
Subject: Favourites missing RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any too= l you know I might be missing?

My two favourites and chief want-to-own are missing =
- the Seymour Duncan DejaVu hybrid delay (Digital delay that first sen= ds the signal through a bucket brigade chip) which basically gives me a 24 = second bucket brigade device
- the Strymon El Capistan tape emula= tor

neither of these have undo or multi track - th= ey're in the category of simple loopers with the Akai Headrush, my third fa= vourite for sound=2E

My chief want-to-own not ther= e is the Makenoise Phonogene which emulates the original tape device of Sch= aeffers
granular looping

Strymon timeline's also miss= ing - I had one and sold it despite loving the sound because it was too com= plicated for my underpowered mind to use when playing=2E


Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100
Subject: Re: List= ing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing?
From: geek= on@gmail=2Ecom
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom

Hi,
I also didn't see any of the Looperative product in the lis= t=2E Namely the LP1 and LP2=2E

The Digitech Trio&nb= sp;definitely doesn't record audio, it 'listens' to audio and then bui= ld a backing track=2E
Cheers
Guy

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Anders Bergdahl <= ;ander= s_e_bergdahl@hotmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42=2E=2E looping as wen kn= ow it started with long delay loops, which at the time were a second or mor= e=2E=2E=2E i often do grain loops that are milliseconds=2E=2E but i'm one o= f the that use, almost, anything=2E=2E 


Date: T= ue, 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000
From: akbutler@tiscali=2Eco=2Euk
To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom
Subject: Re: Listing live-looping too= ls: Any tool you know I might be missing?


Good work :-)

I think you'= ll find it impossible to get everything on there though, there's just s= o many
multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper=2E
(= well, you're aware of that, of course)

Also, there are ple= nty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay for looping purp= oses=2E

You might want to add
Old stuff:
L= exicon JamMan  ( one of the first available, and still appreciated = for it's sound quality)
Zoom 2100 ( =2E=2E=2Eor leave it out=2E=2E= =2E=2Ebut was significant for fanatics)

New Stuff
= Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
Nux LoopCore  (or whate= ver it's called, possibly they do a couple of units that loop)
=
To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop= with, have a look here
http://www=2Ethegearpage= =2Enet/board/index=2Ephp?threads/looping-for-guitarists-an-open-letter-to-f= x-manufacturers=2E1539563/page-40



Du= nnow about the Trio, and Octapad=2E=2E=2E=2Ethey don't record sound (af= aik)=2E
BUT =2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eif you wanted to make a case that they a= re loopers then that's cool=2E


Lastly, if you= 're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with livelooping=2Eorg ?

= andy




On 22/10/2015 16:5= 3, nome que todos podem ver wrote:
=
Hello,
=

I'm trying to list popular tools used by = musicians for live-looping today=2E This would include tools manufactured by music tech= industry, prototypes developed in academic researches, iOS/a= ndroid apps=2E=2E=2E basically, whatever you could use in you= r music for live-looping=2E


I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which = helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, imp= ressive work!), but I still have a feeling there might be too= ls missing=2E


= The list so far is here:
https://docs=2Egoogle=2Ecom/spreadsheets/d/1Z= z8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing
=

Do you know any tool I might be missing?= If so, please, let me know in private!

=
This would help a lot!

Cheers,

=
PS: This is my first email to this list! :)
<= br>
[3] http://loopers-delight=2Ecom/tools/t= ools=2Ehtm
=

--
Jeronimo&= nbsp;

=

------5NRH3JKS2GT8GUZVIMGX80OVHXWM8A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 4 15:37:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F54610131A; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=m9bzN4yedfK5XHRi9Y729muKrKOcQ+1wsbFNr+mMX5k=; b=X5eiZ+HKQeHKaowcx2xU53Ur0gRRKwRdQHrfacjDMdzs64E0PjUTnQcH0Ruc7UhvHs 0kr1PbMfD8pmoDTMIjcCFwVBEnQYkxs1O00L2BcQugl2vKxmukbDW3RMau7r8xDS5DhS 9Zxt1rI6XE17oGMFg88Xdd5rZtXdQ6rIcFbco1bUdw8IgG1WNGXXvlosd01BH6wXi4ny Bc8YigqXmdfFZJKw29nBjX2TFmdwID/GzCNj0gwS1oACfWfEusPnN3ilo2S42u056e2l NRbKZAQdRDhUmCIQ+zkPZvpCT9DJ3qa2z1YXxXN9vODq/xHdgQR8bwtKY4c4dMzqrZFj AOBA== X-Received: by 10.68.249.68 with SMTP id ys4mr2590971pbc.124.1446651426112; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Clevenger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9D72FB89-4BE7-4AC9-B7EC-50525FB74B8F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Favourites missing RE: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be missing? Message-Id: <88D8C11D-9B1D-48B4-BB92-0570C292592F@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 07:37:03 -0800 References: <5638BA7F.4030700@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13B143) Resent-Message-ID: <3zLghC.A.EIG.jYiOWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:37:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9D72FB89-4BE7-4AC9-B7EC-50525FB74B8F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mmmmmmm Phonogene ! Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Ivodne Galatea wrote: >=20 > My two favourites and chief want-to-own are missing=20 > - the Seymour Duncan DejaVu hybrid delay (Digital delay that first sends t= he signal through a bucket brigade chip) which basically gives me a 24 secon= d bucket brigade device > - the Strymon El Capistan tape emulator >=20 > neither of these have undo or multi track - they're in the category of sim= ple loopers with the Akai Headrush, my third favourite for sound. >=20 > My chief want-to-own not there is the Makenoise Phonogene which emulates t= he original tape device of Schaeffers > http://www.makenoisemusic.com/phonogene.shtml > granular looping >=20 > Strymon timeline's also missing - I had one and sold it despite loving the= sound because it was too complicated for my underpowered mind to use when p= laying. >=20 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:56:44 +1100 > Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be miss= ing? > From: geekon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hi, > I also didn't see any of the Looperative product in the list. Namely the L= P1 and LP2. >=20 > The Digitech Trio definitely doesn't record audio, it 'listens' to audio a= nd then build a backing track. > Cheers > Guy >=20 > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen know it started with lon= g delay loops, which at the time were a second or more... i often do grain l= oops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the that use, almost, anything..= =20 >=20 > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:45:35 +0000 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be miss= ing? >=20 >=20 > Good work :-) >=20 > I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though, there= 's just so many=20 > multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper. > (well, you're aware of that, of course) >=20 > Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay f= or looping purposes. >=20 > You might want to add > Old stuff: > Lexicon JamMan ( one of the first available, and still appreciated for it= 's sound quality) > Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics) >=20 > New Stuff > Wally looper (basic but has varispeed) > Nux LoopCore (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple of units= that loop) >=20 > To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, h= ave a look here > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitarists-= an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik). > BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's co= ol. >=20 >=20 > Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with liveloo= ping.org ? >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote: > Hello, >=20 >=20 > I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today.= This would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes de= veloped in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever you c= ould use in your music for live-looping. >=20 >=20 > I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to ge= t started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still ha= ve a feeling there might be tools missing. >=20 >=20 > The list so far is here: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34Vxzx= ShzDxLPoM/edit?usp=3Dsharing >=20 >=20 > Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in pri= vate! >=20 >=20 > This would help a lot! >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > PS: This is my first email to this list! :) >=20 > [1] http://www.livelooping.org/tools/ > [2] http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > [3] http://loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.htm > [4] http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm >=20 > -- > Jeronimo=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-9D72FB89-4BE7-4AC9-B7EC-50525FB74B8F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mmmmmmm Phonogene !

Sent from m= y iPhone

On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Ivodne Galatea <takas20@hotmail.com> wrote:

<= /div>
My two favourites and chief want-to-own are missing - the Seymour Duncan DejaVu hybrid delay (Digital delay that first sends t= he signal through a bucket brigade chip) which basically gives me a 24 secon= d bucket brigade device
- the Strymon El Capistan tape emulator

neither of these have undo or multi track - they're i= n the category of simple loopers with the Akai Headrush, my third favourite f= or sound.

My chief want-to-own not there is the Mak= enoise Phonogene which emulates the original tape device of Schaeffers
=
granular lo= oping

Strymon timeline's also missing - I had one and sold it d= espite loving the sound because it was too complicated for my underpowered m= ind to use when playing.


Date: Wed, 4 No= v 2015 11:56:44 +1100
Subject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool y= ou know I might be missing?
From: gee= kon@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hi,
I= also didn't see any of the Looperative product in the list. Namely the LP1 a= nd LP2.

The Digitech Trio definitely doesn= 't record audio, it 'listens' to audio and then build a backing track.
=
Cheers
Guy

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:= 41 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hmm we also need to ad the PCM42.. looping as wen know= it started with long delay loops, which at the time were a second or more..= . i often do grain loops that are milliseconds.. but i'm one of the that use= , almost, anything.. 


Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:4= 5:35 +0000
From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: Listing live-looping tools: Any tool you know I might be miss= ing?

=20 =20 =20 =20
Good work :-)

I think you'll find it impossible to get everything on there though, there's just so many
multi-fx/delays which have some kind of looper.
(well, you're aware of that, of course)

Also, there are plenty of people out there who'll use any kind of a delay for looping purposes.

You might want to add
Old stuff:
Lexicon JamMan  ( one of the first available, and still appreciated= for it's sound quality)
Zoom 2100 ( ...or leave it out....but was significant for fanatics)

New Stuff
Wally looper (basic but has varispeed)
Nux LoopCore  (or whatever it's called, possibly they do a couple o= f units that loop)

To get a flavour for those guys who use anything available to loop with, have a look here
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/looping-for-guitar= ists-an-open-letter-to-fx-manufacturers.1539563/page-40



Dunnow about the Trio, and Octapad....they don't record sound (afaik).
BUT .....if you wanted to make a case that they are loopers then that's cool.


Lastly, if you're into documenting this stuff why not hook up with livelooping.org= ?

andy




On 22/10/2015 16:53, nome que todos podem ver wrote:
=20
Hello,


I'm trying to list popular tools used by musicians for live-looping today. This would include tools manufactured by music tech industry, prototypes developed in academic researches, iOS/android apps... basically, whatever you could use in your music for live-looping.


I've found these four amazing resources [1][2][3][4] which helped me to get started (thank you people who made them, impressive work!), but I still have a feeling there might be tools missing.


The list so far is here:
https://d= ocs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zz8OizOI0K5eZ_qQ-fd45fRP8ifw34VxzxShzDxLPoM/e= dit?usp=3Dsharing


Do you know any tool I might be missing? If so, please, let me know in private!


This would help a lot!


Cheers,

PS: This is my first email to this list! :)


<= /div>

=
= --Apple-Mail-9D72FB89-4BE7-4AC9-B7EC-50525FB74B8F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 10 03:33:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79B6110134C; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 479 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:33:27 UTC X-TMN: [KqOk9MsJu1qv0ep2lrt9JP66dT0bloJ9] X-Originating-Email: [rejyna@msn.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bbdced59-c154-4c95-a33d-795dc0eb87a3_" From: Rejyna MDW To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Happy Birthday Kim - Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:25:27 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2015 03:25:28.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[727E8250:01D11B67] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:33:27 +0000 (UTC) --_bbdced59-c154-4c95-a33d-795dc0eb87a3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are missed... Here's looping at you - thanks for helping us stay in the loop with Loopers= Delight. Rejyna = --_bbdced59-c154-4c95-a33d-795dc0eb87a3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are missed...

Here's looping at you - thanks for helping u= s stay in the loop with Loopers Delight.

Rejyna


<= /div>
= --_bbdced59-c154-4c95-a33d-795dc0eb87a3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 14 15:09:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B240710133E; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hblnxmtascan04.hostbaby.com Message-ID: <202584867fc03c2e30c193828103577f.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:09:43 -0600 Subject: More LoopFests From: "Noah Peterson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Greetings all, While I'm happy to post one final note about LoopFests, I cannot help but feel grief in my heart for our French friends and anger towards our mutual enemy. This weekend is chance to put some healing vibes of harmony and joy back into the world. The San Antonio LoopFest is today 5pm (CST). www.sanantonioloopfest.com The Austin LoopFest is tomorrow at 2pm (CST). www.austinloopfest.com Both have very similar line-ups with a huge Texas representation. This is a chance to see and hear loopers that you don't know and haven't heard of. Kenzie Slottow - Austin, TX Momentary Gamelan Ensemble - Fort Worth, TX Lost Son - Austin, TX Jenuine Cello - Austin, TX The Josh Glenn Experiment - San Antonio, TX Breaking Light - Burleson, TX Tony Rogers - Austin, TX James Sidlo - San Antonio, TX The Winkler - Houston, TX Michael Michael Gregory Garfield - Austin, TX Aldo Caldo - Austin, TX This Is Where Two Oceans Meet- San Antonio, TX Noah Peterson - San Antonio, TX Both can be streamed live here: www.ustream.tv/channel/peterson-entertainment-llc Emmanuel Reveneau is putting on the Loop Jubilee tomorrow featuring: Guilhem Desq Goupile et Coyotte Leander Reininghaus et Bernhard Wöstheinrich Jelila Philippe Ollivier : Toco La Toccata L'inquiétant suspendu In Mobile Integrative Project http://www.loopjubilee.com/ He will be streaming his event live as well. For the first time ever, we'll be coordinating our fests to be overlapping to provide the world with 13 hours of live stream looping! When you need to refresh your spirit from the news of this tragedy please join us online as we make our voices heard. God bless you all. Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 15 01:46:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0426310134A; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: PiNG Subject: 11:17:15 > THE PiNG presents sLAB + Tom Price + Northumbria + General Chaos Visuals Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <5647E402.8070205@theambientping.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:46:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Vr5FD.A.-EE.DQ-RWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:46:43 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PiNG:11:17:15 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents sLAB + TOM PRICE + NORTHUMBRIA + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Ratio . 283 College Street . Toronto ON Canada . south side of College west of Spadina . Map, info + directions at: https://www.facebook.com/RatioSpace Tuesday Nov. 17th, 2015 . 8:00PM . 1st set at 9:00 . $8-10 . 9:00 . sLAB . sLAB is a group who use musical instruments to create sound together, but they do not play music, exactly. What they do is craft immersive sound sculptures that their listeners live in for a little while. Situated around the perimeter of the room, the four musicians improvise sounds in strange harmony, exploring the uses of microtonal combinations and acoustic beats. Their tools are electric guitars and basses, played with electromagnetic devices that excite the strings to create very long notes. Each set lasts around 30-45 minutes, and each one is different. sLAB has released several recordings, which are available at: http://slabdrones.bandcamp.com . 10:00 . TOM PRICE . Tom Price finds inspiration in a diverse range of influences, such as Autechre, J.S. Bach, Morton Feldman, and mbira music. His music explores the possibilities of tuning systems outside of 12 tone equal temperament. He will be doing synth keyboard improvisations over shifting drones and pad sounds." . 10:45 . NORTHUMBRIA . Toronto based ambient metal duo Northumbria was formed in 2011 by former Holoscene members Jim Field and Dorian Williamson. Using only guitar and bass mega amplified and recorded live, Northumbria create a wall of improvised drones that take the listener on a sonic journey through a dystopian landscape. In March of 2015 Northumbria released "Helluland", their debut album for Swedish dark ambient label Cryo Chamber. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're on facebook too: https://www.facebook.com/The-AMBiENT-PiNG-207688729241637 or Search for THE AMBiENT PiNG: http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com Viners and Instagrammers - Scott has set up a Vine page for THE AMBiENT PiNG and a hashtag for #ambientping that can be used on Instagram and Vine to help document PiNG performances with your photos, videos and loops! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 09:25:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F21BFF689; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=HqAclHNeNjoLJ4yYW3hzL9luIiecienncvsFO+Y6VUU=; b=OVrGUVuT+6yhXqkiuspDwJeXgfJtUvp/3pY11f9d7oqLneVC3jhAHE7CT9AlSwbJPZ mgEQoef4KxqivWtdt6hnRdB3u8I4BQzk6rZEKUre8QXUzPlB01wgw9XH2JcUxLBy3tz1 CG10M1U0qFJPf0yoGzXKZKjn3/iiyGDSqYgx3iY9YJE7F+Ga5YXrm3RLIhWkeBolb/W8 X1EUPpJ4ODyCbzPEGYhI5cNvT4p/phFvPU/q193hh90/+NGrp4CRbqJ/c41gmDxncpu3 iWdvfoR45vxXeJwNQGe8KDig4AttSHlpulCJdUo6h2yiCn7KTHMvCTfcR2TJmTluATDn Kaow== X-Received: by 10.50.33.75 with SMTP id p11mr3112893igi.26.1448443509180; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 01:25:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Doc Rossi Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01538bded7922b05255a0886 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:25:10 +0000 (UTC) --089e01538bded7922b05255a0886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? I'm using Logic X, Mainstage and Finale 2014. Thank you, Collective Looping Wisdom Doc --089e01538bded7922b05255a0886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade = - Go or No?

I'm using Logic X, Mainstage a= nd Finale 2014.

Thank you, Collective Looping = Wisdom

Doc
--089e01538bded7922b05255a0886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 09:37:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9F04101356; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=A4kYwr5SlwQC95Qqcnd6OCyPeOHZ+fzjhHGSPG+798M=; b=mlr7rIOZJcfrJaOuHWhhQogD8y corwN4CMva0xLAt5e+09TZdXIV1DfaZa7spl8K+wHEKACh+oVnvKTq9AkDhKztMtHcHV4hTBt4BMa JJ8RoOZiqfDnAewgshMp40avlUIc5p+p2jBoZcDr+LjK1fOpY2iLdrG3ku/X9oxMCDNo=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:37:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <74DC6FB4-2058-4989-863B-4EB0B4CF3EF3@kliklak.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <85EXUD.A.JwF.YFYVWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:37:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm on 10.7.5 and i'm happy ;) jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 12:59:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1A53101355; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=oAB07jPUv7iJ7JGojtZzgJsWCl0bwxggTXzGzfg06yE=; b=yo1Grj7HMPvZ9kqav8F8RoQgyMgTU13vdJjRrHPz+8qITZZVZ5bL7+wxopVAFfUQak zYBNke0XuQWyxHO7X2097dUPzzCwhBerxoDRK/9g2AsdUY7sJ5vv7MGs2zEsViz+Fbow D0LJnt8kyAUe0JCoLfldcT5VWEA8+UQ0BCHxCIv/xOiVnCRYWCvj+thQQ2kI98VDJTN4 NWs2dJHJGw9+z59me+9uPVkHKylcLPtay5M+kN35/bf1iEO78P1LMHXe5kwhR9ZZs5Wm L7bvitpdzVCgXzleOPW5X9eF6Y2YxI8i3mpJyFfGAgrm2c5r5sVi8eqEBGtLNfzxYdxr nXPw== X-Received: by 10.182.60.170 with SMTP id i10mr16085164obr.62.1448456382373; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 04:59:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <74DC6FB4-2058-4989-863B-4EB0B4CF3EF3@kliklak.net> In-Reply-To: <74DC6FB4-2058-4989-863B-4EB0B4CF3EF3@kliklak.net> From: Michael Ellis Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:59:32 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1bd4224e65205255d08ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:59:43 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c1bd4224e65205255d08ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I recently upgraded from Lion to El Capitan (10.11) skipping Yosemite on a Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vintage. No problems so far with Logic X (10.2), Reaper 5.1, Lilypond 18.2. For command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, I needed to fix a couple of issues in my .profile + /.bashrc. Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that's a subjective impression not supported by any before/after benchmarking. On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jrploopers wrote: > I'm on 10.7.5 and i'm happy ;) > > jayrope > --- > www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ > www.aircushionfinish.com > www.prinzenallee.com > www.plus.google.com/+jayrope > > --001a11c1bd4224e65205255d08ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently upgraded from Lion to El Capitan (10.11) skippi= ng Yosemite on a Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vintage.
No probl= ems so far with Logic X (10.2), =C2=A0Reaper 5.1, Lilypond 18.2.=C2=A0 For = command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, =C2=A0I needed to fix a= couple of issues in my .profile=C2=A0+ /.bashrc.

= Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that's a subjective im= pression not supported by any before/after benchmarking.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jr= ploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.n= et> wrote:
I'm on 10.7.5= and i'm happy ;)

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope

--001a11c1bd4224e65205255d08ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 13:49:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BBE7101354; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=wqgRSAmAA4MLAyap73JlclYQQulSSr9vhB/vDqdUzkA=; b=cdP5DCg16SXrrYFG+XufNxKuiLQc0IxlUdGVtJRyoE0wYHfGnLEylK3og8+yXHKMPt NsxPz4MK72f4EJgGw0v0Z/FBdE8ILUvwm3XgDy+IlPczwMQBYFEVpLDOxcj8UpeldyGq +Rl5xLEykINjtLPV7TicH0AOOLEHfH+CTwOglXio5L1eYlOyPvNMY4+txeL2+XWUe/pt GOwTlCGLfQBcQTAJMwHPiKcYMi14HZh8L0AOaBFJMtGzlO+DDdCpbJaz0eTDmbBgP4jp 2jtGfmqPY35kMqsx4DWI64VUdm20h4/rOxuIa0EpG+TR00aSQhZrm77tGUrNh8Apdp0b giIw== X-Received: by 10.194.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr25496806wjb.7.1448459381416; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:49:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <74DC6FB4-2058-4989-863B-4EB0B4CF3EF3@kliklak.net> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:49:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a64e6aac305255dba0f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:49:42 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf10a64e6aac305255dba0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm loving it...running on a early 2011 15" mbp upgraded from previous systems. Was even on the public beta (kinda miss it) cause I then reverted back to the first public release, which has since been updated a few times already. The public free non developer beta is probably even better, but that's up to u :) On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Michael Ellis wrote: > I recently upgraded from Lion to El Capitan (10.11) skipping Yosemite on a > Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vintage. > No problems so far with Logic X (10.2), Reaper 5.1, Lilypond 18.2. For > command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, I needed to fix a > couple of issues in my .profile + /.bashrc. > > Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that's a subjective > impression not supported by any before/after benchmarking. > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jrploopers wrote: > >> I'm on 10.7.5 and i'm happy ;) >> >> jayrope >> --- >> www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ >> www.aircushionfinish.com >> www.prinzenallee.com >> www.plus.google.com/+jayrope >> >> -- Torben Scharling --047d7bf10a64e6aac305255dba0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm loving it...running on a early 2011 15" mbp u= pgraded from previous systems. Was even on the public beta (kinda miss it) = cause I then reverted back to the first public release, which has since bee= n updated a few times already. The public free non developer beta is probab= ly even better, but that's up to u :)
<= br>
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Michael Elli= s <michael.f.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
I recently upgraded from Lion to El Cap= itan (10.11) skipping Yosemite on a Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vi= ntage.
No problems so far with Logic X (10.2), =C2=A0Reaper 5.1, Lilypo= nd 18.2.=C2=A0 For command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, =C2= =A0I needed to fix a couple of issues in my .profile=C2=A0+ /.bashrc.
=

Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that&#= 39;s a subjective impression not supported by any before/after benchmarking= .

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jrploopers <jrploopers@klikla= k.net> wrote:
I'm on 10.= 7.5 and i'm happy ;)

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope




--
=
Torben Scharling
--047d7bf10a64e6aac305255dba0f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 13:58:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD73510135B; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=/VDM5ykYJaLyrhSYwr0zmfRyfh0DqIp0Kdw75aiygrA=; b=bhf2PILKQ+gkLvDSWyIP3ip57oicl62Pgu7F+3MkNtL36en9JA6mi8cjr7iiPnvUzW nMUdb+NIK4aXsG0/jnLxzZvvFTq9gohSn9M5lmfrvfSQ6Uk4JRO1Oq19m640Y/tJWhNa 9aUhdYb7w6jJRuXuLWxY5xczpIU+dMKVv3cndlqtrHNGHr3mQOE8ipTJNdLDShkld5S+ jy2DW+sWnMjyhR13Vf3o0w79xuKQkaHSkFyay/6SFipICDUCVTICpJS31oerHQjK26UJ RjwyMFi9xqi2OXPEhk0zRYkNZIjfAsp/Ijr5DjHOjMFex2wiPZ//q8zamV0Tnfpvv/D5 BTOA== X-Received: by 10.202.170.196 with SMTP id t187mr22984663oie.78.1448459898883; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:58:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <74DC6FB4-2058-4989-863B-4EB0B4CF3EF3@kliklak.net> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:57:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pE1FWwaqvhSdXR_mc00SNLTYY4U Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cab9cbe946905255dd948 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:58:19 +0000 (UTC) --001a113cab9cbe946905255dd948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Glad to hear, I knew about a few screw-ups with some of the software I used daily, video editing mostly, but a cursory questionaire around my field says they have been fixed up.. so.. I might do it now... On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > I'm loving it...running on a early 2011 15" mbp upgraded from previous > systems. Was even on the public beta (kinda miss it) cause I then reverted > back to the first public release, which has since been updated a few times > already. The public free non developer beta is probably even better, but > that's up to u :) > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Michael Ellis > wrote: > >> I recently upgraded from Lion to El Capitan (10.11) skipping Yosemite on >> a Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vintage. >> No problems so far with Logic X (10.2), Reaper 5.1, Lilypond 18.2. For >> command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, I needed to fix a >> couple of issues in my .profile + /.bashrc. >> >> Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that's a subjective >> impression not supported by any before/after benchmarking. >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jrploopers >> wrote: >> >>> I'm on 10.7.5 and i'm happy ;) >>> >>> jayrope >>> --- >>> www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ >>> www.aircushionfinish.com >>> www.prinzenallee.com >>> www.plus.google.com/+jayrope >>> >>> > > > -- > Torben Scharling > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://electricityplant.wordpress.com/ twitter @markfrancombe --001a113cab9cbe946905255dd948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glad to hear, I knew about a few screw-ups with some of th= e software I used daily, video editing mostly, but a cursory questionaire a= round my field says they have been fixed up.. so.. I might do it now...

On Wed, Nov 25,= 2015 at 2:49 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
I'= m loving it...running on a early 2011 15" mbp upgraded from previous s= ystems. Was even on the public beta (kinda miss it) cause I then reverted b= ack to the first public release, which has since been updated a few times a= lready. The public free non developer beta is probably even better, but tha= t's up to u :)
<= br>
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Michael Elli= s <michael.f.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
I recently upgraded from Lion to El Cap= itan (10.11) skipping Yosemite on a Pro laptop and a Mac Mini, both 2012 vi= ntage.
No problems so far with Logic X (10.2), =C2=A0Reaper 5.1, Lilypo= nd 18.2.=C2=A0 For command line apps, notably Enthought Canopy Python, =C2= =A0I needed to fix a couple of issues in my .profile=C2=A0+ /.bashrc.
=

Overall performance seems slightly improved, but that&#= 39;s a subjective impression not supported by any before/after benchmarking= .

On W= ed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:37 AM jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
=
I'm on 10.7.5 and i'm happy ;)

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope




<= /div>--
Torben Scharling



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--001a113cab9cbe946905255dd948-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 14:02:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DEF6101365; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [iywni7Ekm+0C99Mzp1+EqGseDx6ONgqJ] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dba265ee-b9ba-4139-8a17-c162de4f2546_" From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: El Capitan Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:02:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2015 14:02:12.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2332320:01D12789] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:02:13 +0000 (UTC) --_dba265ee-b9ba-4139-8a17-c162de4f2546_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I jumped in for no particular reason and cursed it. It broke elicenser. Wav= elab wouldn't run=2C and I was very grateful I had just transferred Arturia= from elicenser to the soft one. Arturia also broke but they fixed it in da= ys. Steinberg (last time I looked) still stuffed. Really=2C really=2C reall= y wish I hadn't done it. ig From: docittern@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 25 Nov 2015 10:24:49 +0100 Subject: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? I'm using Logic X=2C Mainstage and Finale 2014. Thank you=2C Collective Looping Wisdom Doc = --_dba265ee-b9ba-4139-8a17-c162de4f2546_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I jumped in for no particular re= ason and cursed it. It broke elicenser. Wavelab wouldn't run=2C and I was v= ery grateful I had just transferred Arturia from elicenser to the soft one.= Arturia also broke but they fixed it in days. Steinberg (last time I looke= d) still stuffed. Really=2C really=2C really wish I hadn't done it.
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From: docittern@gmail.co= m
Date: Wed=2C 25 Nov 2015 10:24:49 +0100
Subject: El Capitan
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No?

I'm using Logic X=2C Mainstage and Final= e 2014.

Thank you=2C Coll= ective Looping Wisdom

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= --_dba265ee-b9ba-4139-8a17-c162de4f2546_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 14:11:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6D1FF6C3; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=25jlykKp4w071mKJQrWsr5e0HyWxu11gHeMTDkjHNqw=; b=ykX0wJ7WLMAulXFl6lGD+QFemNfEcGzAaN0W6nMyIRBQPFUaU4BBEOMy/tuoa+hut+ 8BA2uIHlMuv9sQcQdnhrVGxi0Ipuo3cR3uBcrjiU6Jl3jdX2D+ScUlGet+a3oSbhi4Zm cxjANxlxQvqbd2IpArvisx4uKKz0tRKifg6NYgYEj/GYKaY9HsJMSZbDZsXoUOqBT762 Gg314+6hBCFqVP0ixRRCvRxnO8DBrgbYYkz/W5SM0MrxWJv/5H4RKjuylQg2Fr9byPAs Mw7khtbC6lh0NYvNA4binnSQuoVj1RgE4b7z3EfpqqntcodhZmrUZS9AiTMISc6I9gQY A8SQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.157.196 with SMTP id g187mr34710842vke.72.1448460678405; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:11:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425c1035216a05255e08c2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC) --001a11425c1035216a05255e08c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Doc Rossi wrote: > What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? Sylvain --001a11425c1035216a05255e08c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
What's the consensus on= the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No?

My advice, as alw= ays with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't have a choice. Y= our setup works? Why mess with a good thing?

Sylvain
--001a11425c1035216a05255e08c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 17:51:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01AE101357; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1431 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:51:50 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=KPDUDT1o c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:117 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=6b6FYi6UQycksONVZ8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MU0tB47m4QEA:10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:27:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Amen! On Nov 25, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Doc Rossi = wrote: > What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? >=20 > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you = don't have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? >=20 > Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 18:40:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9051F101365; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=T5ekRQlufP6O0bY09TuMldkHWgjruGcwRPpF5UChwKs=; b=f2E7iMTsqP2KIuHZC9XPhEa1qXw1CVi0oJHZEIj0nmY44B80LVJYYbuo+k6ax4+4qv iHsx4qp00laAuiusDkohsrrpOSm5nKzHvr3o+nWDZxgoxtdSvHllumNOJyGuB7kPIiNY lXNLjazDkA0jDllRwKY7etUMsTR71/NPxjnDJKNICZfI6o9df9BVD6NRCOTsaXFxTX8d +LsHlZltmGTlvEHn6NzjlOcEwV4NqSKpTIIXxwfpkBMBdD7OA5DMtCklUnI001DnuFfK bjanMGf8knexycMsr2AbpyXYXq6gh0zAhDjrPZOeAFz4+PUqO8S6N4D40D26L56YLJUz KbwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=T5ekRQlufP6O0bY09TuMldkHWgjruGcwRPpF5UChwKs=; b=NXOkqCzqa9B1CD7ZM0Y9YenkJspA00vaOl9sHatTic0Z+FL/zlM30uZeisPZsPKFzM 62O0crDBPxXvglOf9obSDBWpz6AqRSIKfAHoUlvDVpkuYZ7Pf2FpntGemHEbAdWs4Cjm 90IoHfaKbxdpMy5fyd2IL+PtIpJUULCIQtn/j+N89k3oA5hbtxzzjC4As3i//5KUjLIv W1O8RZSYNJ1gRXls/EztW0AdL3ARhpAnURrIRQV8INTS1MuZXQMjdAB1Fn7Bu8d38RCw hskQ5C7/rbU7Ah+9dkjRKLiPPaBFnuDiCmlUgme3kOLrdUMnHFko+nq/A1KNACs6o5Fq edIg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmwnx8q3cXWTV1DbxrlPlMk20qPpYNzVpeLOn2dHdn+YERHtgM4/XlEgJmz+tUO3GuaSh+v X-Received: by 10.141.0.194 with SMTP id b185mr43402926qhd.23.1448476838712; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Richard Sales Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:40:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a9b566ff56b052561cb16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) --001a113a9b566ff56b052561cb16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Still on Mountain Lion! Running Pro Tools HDX, Vienna Ensemble Pro (slave Mac also Mountain Lion) and a boatload of plugins and all is working well On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Amen! > > On Nov 25, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Doc Rossi wrote: > > What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? > > > > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't > have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? > > > > Sylvain > > -- richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a113a9b566ff56b052561cb16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sti= ll on Mountain Lion!=C2=A0 Running Pro Tools HDX, Vienna Ensemble Pro (slav= e Mac also Mountain Lion) and a boatload of plugins and all is working well=

On Wed, Nov= 25, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Amen!

On Nov 25, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No?
>
> My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don&= #39;t have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing?
>
> Sylvain




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail drives the other one out'
<= span style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:18.900054931640625px">Great Englis= h/Zen Proverb


--001a113a9b566ff56b052561cb16-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 19:03:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF3010136A; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iPr8h/W/def3DU9huZfB7EiRRo90g7aWNS0kh9XPGrw=; b=BZvNym5cjYnA7KM3nxOjB38AJBY7enisLeyztU29Y7RNnVynXHa62EfdDLhtcvLBgk vvNF/I82CA0QSyQqE06ErMImFqj6A1ox/R9yc9Jc4v+HUX/elixIurPiHEqitsWACytQ UDs1dZ0XN6OfV/+7N2rs0mtbg4KHD30J8vlSBWdEdNl/vj3zo+478fWtVWg2GBDuOnPp f86GwcQqPzaV2U0NWKtiyM2uhYsmaiD0TY3q/VCZ12KHa8jv9UFl55RBjHnGIIceD3iv eODXDlhSENCtvuBiMHeealLTA99E1+0BOwf+YvSwapRQhDMZsVKOTDiorblr+7YGmk2k TMSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.54.78 with SMTP id d75mr35298556vka.122.1448478187082; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:03:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:03:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143e41cce5b960525621b16 Resent-Message-ID: <8SQMS.A.Rs.sXgVWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:03:08 +0000 (UTC) --001a1143e41cce5b960525621b16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 BTW, if you can't keep yourself from updating your OS, I would urge you to clone your hard drive so that you can painlessly go back to your previous configuration should that free update destroy your life. carbon copy cloner is your friend: https://bombich.com/ Sylvain --001a1143e41cce5b960525621b16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, if you can't keep your= self from updating your OS, I would urge you to clone your hard drive so th= at you can painlessly go back to your previous configuration should that fr= ee update destroy your life.

carbon copy cloner is your friend:=C2=A0https://bombich.com/

Sylvain
--001a1143e41cce5b960525621b16-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 19:54:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1AB101369; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=mf8/Ncyn9655d7TPcVTUNNdDXK43PdEbDD0cAV4tdvI=; b=ZlbowKkylTGBrdKu8Oiogoqr1g TRK36C8c6kFYEOZ2tVRQQIRho7t6JKRB/mQxueyzgovBi6FwdRmU7UQY/G9EB+ej8du7108+GacGS DYlZ3k4gMCKc/vs5mA3DAV3HhyTqfo2HMFoqbuFHBb/sT0q0AeFpW44hNPg9qzWkZuV0=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:54:53 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20604F0E-E322-479B-B579-91E949E9F0D4@kliklak.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Cloning works with disk utility alreeady. no third party software = required. jrp On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > BTW, if you can't keep yourself from updating your OS, I would urge = you to clone your hard drive so that you can painlessly go back to your = previous configuration should that free update destroy your life. >=20 > carbon copy cloner is your friend: https://bombich.com/ >=20 > Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 19:54:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37AD101372; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=mf8/Ncyn9655d7TPcVTUNNdDXK43PdEbDD0cAV4tdvI=; b=W7u11Zt63ZT0RCYBgYrS7MKPsl /5eIbb70/zWmkDdfMRtEcIYfy+gfX5TIFtJ2b7wsgdi1dwAp5+vY+cL0LED2KvIsBBZs84AIzqHMV y4qKDAZ8aSOUigi66HSwwGnxSlkLeElQX0HIWXHGd7PiM/Ez22azW5JK8/WJltRMpCyE=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:54:53 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Cloning works with disk utility alreeady. no third party software = required. jrp On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > BTW, if you can't keep yourself from updating your OS, I would urge = you to clone your hard drive so that you can painlessly go back to your = previous configuration should that free update destroy your life. >=20 > carbon copy cloner is your friend: https://bombich.com/ >=20 > Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 20:12:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58784101367; 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boundary=001a114382be2cd21a052563150a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:12:51 +0000 (UTC) --001a114382be2cd21a052563150a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:54 PM, jrploopers wrote: > Cloning works with disk utility alreeady. no third party software required. Sure, but the extras in CCC are worth it. Sylvain --001a114382be2cd21a052563150a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:54 PM, jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net= > wrote:
Cloning works with= disk utility alreeady. no third party software required.

Sure, but the extras in CCC are worth it.
Sylvain
--001a114382be2cd21a052563150a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 25 21:30:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E2A101373; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=ymfJwJdFbTz/M+pcJCdY6sED1ySRO/OiRkT7I/phMPs=; b=b0kzvDvjkG2CAgE2LO7vSirzXR dSMJvlzxo834EpIvONlsdwZjGOX3IzKhuhl+LV/0RPLDwYg/ApZnRdySCrmMBRvLlDP5s86+Q2V0D hpWkghQ8uhhsdFnb/YMztkTZhS2pR09s9fC0PDSB+HInFoAj/tbFacMkxxC6OpAvhFsU=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:30:31 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20604F0E-E322-479B-B579-91E949E9F0D4@kliklak.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Can you poist a link abotu the valuable extras? Thanx, Just to spare the = rest from OT. jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:54 PM, jrploopers = wrote: > Cloning works with disk utility alreeady. no third party software = required. >=20 > Sure, but the extras in CCC are worth it. > Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 26 02:00:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AACA5101362; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 02:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 43427 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 02:00:34 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=Bj9j3 9k+9Zw/yu2RVMblKEa7r4w=; b=aY8qY08kyMfKfBIXJOgcS3mdt2bpDUMUyNgtX kpGLUgTgN4XRtV4bMatopLiVK2ju5Bo/vDUgkLBtMjov5lgdfQEUYP2wRTQaxm58 tPvM9YW5XFG6YDYAnKocM+GaheBGG3qE4ruagkI9V40fKt039hwSM3Z3pHBfG57P 97H1eE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:56:44 -0800 Subject: New Music For Isolation Tanks - Free review copies available now. From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 02:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Next week I'll be releasing the first full length Music For Isolation Tanks album of new studio material in over 10+ years. MFIT was started in the early 90s and this is kind of a retrospective with all new material. As such it's good place to start. It leans toward "Ambient Electronica" but I'd prefer to leave descriptions up to the listeners. To celebrate I'm offering FREE pre-release download copies to anyone who wants to do a review. Best to email me direct at legionhwp (at) Gmail (dot) com as I might be away from my PC for a few days. The "hit single" (heh!) is already up at: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/track/enordmoani-new-mfit-2015 At very least this is a way to get some new free tunes. Thanks for any interest and enjoy! --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 26 03:26:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5974FFAFB; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 03:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZpGWQn9R78cU5LjOvTY45nVy/IsoyLqfFLNt3WcekkM=; b=yEHeQ6q19wpvNLJ3Zzy9oFWrXLIRz/mmmOgJ/S3/MGWsF+fy5OnUuYZEuVWdYfDdlS kj3amOxCRFZ1syX6Q7wVqq4kukpwAcwJ+ectIYIayCTJPgVtmhl3cR+6AgmnsUSABUZi vd0sYeP5ZrJfoWyUCK7X8J4xsu1+1y9yj8Lk9hIS6M/C5GCq14lxxCkTHao7iu64r09q 4LmMl7oEEws8hAFm6aq+YoY80Bvhw61v92FJ5ZTAQHjBSn/GHAr95lN72zBFdbmKoFon fO19XlFqUe2CDLCWXRB2quHFZC13KzuxJr+TtUrcH6QhDH68X3nLRCf7BcCEey8MNcDD gz9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.157.144 with SMTP id g138mr25920454vke.71.1448508368814; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:26:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20604F0E-E322-479B-B579-91E949E9F0D4@kliklak.net> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425c82c707f705256922a8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 03:26:09 +0000 (UTC) --001a11425c82c707f705256922a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM, jrploopers wrote: > Can you poist a link abotu the valuable extras? http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/167036/disk-utility-vs-carbon-copy-cloner-how-to-clone-your-drive-with-apples-built --001a11425c82c707f705256922a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM, jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net= > wrote:
Can you poist a link abotu the v= aluable extras?=C2=A0

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/167= 036/disk-utility-vs-carbon-copy-cloner-how-to-clone-your-drive-with-apples-= built
--001a11425c82c707f705256922a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 26 09:34:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278B3101348; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:34:52 UTC x-libjamoibt: 1601 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=RtY4V3SK c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UG7YVthwHJOIKIWwbz8blQ==:117 a=9pRY04ZPaJQA:10 a=qlP7c3xiA3MA:10 a=ZNMKvBeWb40A:10 a=3Quf8V-l4iLDAcOIh-4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-0aUfWZYFhiawIFmPssA:9 a=5jR4pAs5vooOhro3:21 Message-ID: <1477130348.2033911448530188602.JavaMail.httpd@webmail-27.iol.local> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:29:48 +0100 (CET) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: El Capitan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_235241_1769107409.1448530188601" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.137 X-libjamv: nNWZtd2LjIo= X-libjamsun: aYITJ7lnai3SNQN9CAxJrv3QmQ3ppgUE DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=libero.it; s=s2014; t=1448530188; bh=JRz8foi2Kektyot4muyCFSygENu1/UJE9OpKP87+l9U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject; b=aO13Ne91MMcif94S5sL2K0L1/wUxHJ3a8iRQTSwxN484qBSw9/dxoad/AiiMGZMh9 +7omQ6KNXHYQeYmQoCP71Y83L7Ml9frd7g/T855UH3xyfGuzV/HG3c7M3YU5uFLgdO 6SBM6mYsPy4Iyt6pYHlJQx4wfHNJoxiIJTwhA0/VdcDeM0Lb3NKNE6I8Y2vDV2lOtE G86s5E217ctJf5nvBYGNkWZefWkZ+Jy8PMZqAMkdSYDmVoKXr0x3ftkyBsJT1/Waz4 Mkmfb3X28kS3A3nBkbgOn6niwXCluA68DySi+j9CkU/n8kWZlEogPiSghOqUyESYhQ 6FM3KsSFf6FGg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:34:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_235241_1769107409.1448530188601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an I-MAC late 2009, recently updated with el capitain, got serious problems with the drivers of my Focusrite saffire 6 usb (it crashed the system!), but after a couple of days Fucusrite wrote me how to solve it. very profesional help.for the rest, it seem more efficent and faster, also the space occupied seems to be less, now i got more GB free (not much but...) Good luck to evrbdy!Massimo What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No? I'm using Logic X, Mainstage and Finale 2014. Thank you, Collective Looping Wisdom Doc ------=_Part_235241_1769107409.1448530188601 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I got an I-MAC  late 2009, recently updated with el capitain, got serious problems with the drivers of my Focusrite saffire 6 usb (it crashed the system!), but after a couple of days Fucusrite wrote me how to solve it. very profesional help.
for the rest, it seem more efficent and faster, also the space occupied seems to be less, now i got more GB free (not much but...)

Good luck to evrbdy!
Massimo 


What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No?

I'm using Logic X, Mainstage and Finale 2014.

Thank you, Collective Looping Wisdom

Doc


------=_Part_235241_1769107409.1448530188601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 02:09:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA98D133134; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 02:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I8f72JciuwKiXUGJku53E7+gY7PxvK6KDeGfho8O7pE=; b=ysf8QwnDvBu+4M+InvexASKERdMzUFddzaA84Ax2ctoB84GEQHL1pwJaQaue6hz15Q fJndlkMutAayddqSFS0JVbIVKWf1DIvhSbUFszGyHPsoUtvaN71KxxXUnEuEvIPke1Sz lkbNSkuqnt2mZZZiKzL1ey+5yabvHZvy+lT6/EdnL/QgCRy0SgSGWRU4m2m7NjaN3JU/ hQGcXeR2ABIeGTvrJjgJksFLQwI3thvnuwr4facXUW7ycXHxND0ZL7VsV5LzJGz6KRT/ f0P7AY9i7ucJJ9Cq7D1GojKUICYCVnUUYHCXimk2ecYN2FoD3+oFinoir4GczhWmhxm9 LJyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.236.150 with SMTP id v144mr39459094ywe.20.1448590151985; Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:09:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:09:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: some new Mobius work From: Jim Goodin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0829826f333e05257c2dcb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 02:09:12 +0000 (UTC) --94eb2c0829826f333e05257c2dcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't posted in a long time but have recently been using Mobius again and doing some stuff. Instruments are homemade to a degree fretless guitar and a lap steel. For those in the States Happy Thanksgiving by the way and hope it was a nice day for you. To those in Europe and elsewhere happy day to you. Tracks... http://alonetone.com/jimgoodinmusic/tracks/im-gonna-send-you-a-star.mp3 http://alonetone.com/jimgoodinmusic/tracks/saguaro.mp3 http://alonetone.com/jimgoodinmusic/tracks/5-points-of-leaves.mp3 Thanks for listening. Jim --=20 -- Help me raise money to cure Type 1 diabetes as I ride my bike 104 mi on Nov 21! http://www2.jdrf.org/goto/JamesGoodinJDRFRide The *Voice* of Jim Goodin = - voice overs, audio books and character acting The *Music* of Jim Goodin - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds f= rom this CD will benefit *JDRF International * --94eb2c0829826f333e05257c2dcb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't posted in a long time but have recently been= using Mobius again and doing some stuff.=C2=A0 Instruments are homemade to= a degree fretless guitar and a lap steel.

For those in = the States Happy Thanksgiving by the way and hope it was a nice day for you= .=C2=A0 To those in Europe and elsewhere happy day to you.

Tracks...


Th= anks for listening.

Jim


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The Music of Jim Goodin=C2=A0- '= ;Organically inspired New Music'
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From Brookly= n To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &= Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International
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--94eb2c0829826f333e05257c2dcb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 10:39:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E91101351; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1039 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:39:14 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:21:50 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01m; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:21:53 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:39:16 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras = wrote: > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you = don't have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? I=92ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadventures. = I think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good = for a couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow down = and there is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new = iteration.=20 I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried = that on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=92t = do it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS = (whatever was before Mavericks). Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 11:15:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 257D210134F; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pjAEu3BCJYPPUAJ4/Z8G3CrK3LgW47u+vPtdNbGr//g=; b=NoerP9PFoYDb3haWB+hGc3+RlZBa6g2cXPpt11iOaRpgWE8B5rB4i45qT00iHlVyC2 780oN8Krvd9qONCHYJDp8BHAp6PDxvuBrkMEc2I+uvChQABMkZdtHNa7DzZrR8W69WYP 0GZh1Gvm4gOqQ9OG63s8KiHr4Q3kKq+O4y24Yo3n4DwAK0fBv/VULFpZNEG8cF/ZZPrD c2kCcg3HCQbwYfarZb0xkZZs+Mz5j1YfL99w1ahKZJhAxMbHD4HN5e1NhXAcQm7wKoYG gdkBdeluC83LlUJcMhIZcZOfP0bVqU49MWppeL6oOjG9tocudMCv6Hgcx7DGZ2mD4qoT LeAA== X-Received: by 10.194.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr37487757wjb.7.1448622947038; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 03:15:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:15:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a642bfa8a052583d0b8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:15:48 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf10a642bfa8a052583d0b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s all well and good, but there=E2=80=99s also a point of simpl= y keeping up with the times, and having all your software up to date. My early 2011 15= =E2=80=9D mbp has seen a few logic board replacements due to a hardware design flaw. Regardless, it=E2=80=99s been running smoothly except for third party kerne= l extensions that wasn=E2=80=99t updated and stuff like that. So if it=E2=80= =99s self-inflicted misadventures due to lack of understanding or wanting to keep things in check, and potentially scrapping a few plugins here and there, that no longer/for the time being aren=E2=80=99t stable/compatible, = then that=E2=80=99s what you have to work with. And that can result in both a fa= ster, and potentially even more reliable or effective setup, that supports the current market, and all the newest features and tools you=E2=80=99ll come a= cross. Potentially lower your latency, give you a higher quality audiopath and more efficient use of your system (32bit vs 64bit etc.) That=E2=80=99s kind= a the beauty of Apple. If things are supported, it=E2=80=99ll usually run just as= smooth if not better, if you keep everything up to date ;) I installed a 500gig samsung evo 850 and scrapped the old hdd, and this thing runs stable and smooth. Wouldn=E2=80=99t wanna be using a 4-5 year ol= d OS X just because I was too lazy to update, or too stubborn about the apps I use, to let one or two plugins or whatnot determine the OS X version I=E2= =80=99m on :) I remember when working at a film production company, they where talking about Final Cut Pro X just like we have been talking about Logic Pro X, and how it was not professional etc. etc. now you see soo many companies take the FCPX route, and not looking back. Why? Because all in all, it=E2=80=99s= an easier, faster work flow with the auto-rendering etc. that=E2=80=99s going = on in the background, the user experience is fresh and clean, and a lot of things are working under the hood much better, due to correcting the mistakes from previous editions. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't > have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? > > > I=E2=80=99ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadvent= ures. I > think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good for = a > couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow down and there > is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iteration. > > I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried tha= t > on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=E2=80=99t= do it. I > had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS (whatever was > before Mavericks). > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > --=20 Torben Scharling --047d7bf10a642bfa8a052583d0b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=E2=80=99s all well and good, but there=E2=80=99s also= a point of simply keeping up with the times, and having all your software = up to date. My early 2011 15=E2=80=9D mbp has seen a few logic board replac= ements due to a hardware design flaw. Regardless, it=E2=80=99s been running= smoothly except for third party kernel extensions that wasn=E2=80=99t upda= ted and stuff like that. So if it=E2=80=99s self-inflicted misadventures du= e to lack of understanding or wanting to keep things in check, and potentia= lly scrapping a few plugins here and there, that no longer/for the time bei= ng aren=E2=80=99t stable/compatible, then that=E2=80=99s what you have to w= ork with. And that can result in both a faster, and potentially even more r= eliable or effective setup, that supports the current market, and all the n= ewest features and tools you=E2=80=99ll come across. Potentially lower your= latency, give you a higher quality audiopath and more efficient use of you= r system (32bit vs 64bit etc.) That=E2=80=99s kinda the beauty of Apple. If= things are supported, it=E2=80=99ll usually run just as smooth if not bett= er, if you keep everything up to date ;)=C2=A0

=C2=A0I i= nstalled a 500gig samsung evo 850 and scrapped the old hdd, and this thing = runs stable and smooth. Wouldn=E2=80=99t wanna be using a 4-5 year old OS X= just because I was too lazy to update, or too stubborn about the apps I us= e, to let one or two plugins or whatnot determine the OS X version I=E2=80= =99m on :) I remember when working at a film production company, they where= talking about Final Cut Pro X just like we have been talking about Logic P= ro X, and how it was not professional etc. etc. now you see soo many compan= ies take the FCPX route, and not looking back. Why? Because all in all, it= =E2=80=99s an easier, faster work flow with the auto-rendering etc. that=E2= =80=99s going on in the background, the user experience is fresh and clean,= and a lot of things are working under the hood much better, due to correct= ing the mistakes from previous editions.
--047d7bf10a642bfa8a052583d0b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 11:22:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1D11013D0; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TMN: [7sFnjhfHQeCfxoHw+KpNDXgfZJzrx0jg] X-Originating-Email: [takas20@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_67f31571-7493-466c-9160-2db10b1fae24_" From: Ivodne Galatea To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: El Capitan Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:22:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2015 11:22:43.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF4D2240:01D12905] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:22:44 +0000 (UTC) --_67f31571-7493-466c-9160-2db10b1fae24_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed with everything everyone is saying. My core problem is that Steinber= g has a locking system that doesn't want to play with El Capitan. Given wha= t's at stake here (subase=2C wavelab=2C all their virtual synths) I can't h= elp thinking they'll have to fix it soon. My best guess is that they were u= sing that old standby=2C and undocumented OS feature=2C to make their syste= m uncrackable=2C and the feature changed when Apple hardened OSX. I can't help wondering too if the people who took a less regular approach t= o musical software acquisition had these problems > Subject: Re: El Capitan > From: edurbrow@gmail.com > Date: Fri=2C 27 Nov 2015 19:21:50 +0900 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Nov 25=2C 2015=2C at 11:11 PM=2C Sylvain Poitras wrote: >=20 > > My advice=2C as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don= 't have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? >=20 >=20 > I=92ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadventures. = I think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good for = a couple of upgrades=2C but after that things will likely slow down and the= re is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iteration.=20 >=20 > I learned the hard way=2C it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried t= hat on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=92t do = it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS (whatever= was before Mavericks). >=20 > Ed Durbrow > Saitama=2C Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_67f31571-7493-466c-9160-2db10b1fae24_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed with everything everyone = is saying. My core problem is that Steinberg has a locking system that does= n't want to play with El Capitan. Given what's at stake here (subase=2C wav= elab=2C all their virtual synths) I can't help thinking they'll have to fix= it soon. My best guess is that they were using that old standby=2C and und= ocumented OS feature=2C to make their system uncrackable=2C and the feature= changed when Apple hardened OSX.

I can't help wondering= too if the people who took a less regular approach to musical software acq= uisition had these problems

>=3B Subject: Re: El Capitan
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>=3B Date: Fri=2C 27 Nov 2015 19:21:50 = +0900
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>= =3B On Nov 25=2C 2015=2C at 11:11 PM=2C Sylvain Poitras <=3Bsylvain.tromb= one@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
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>=3B >=3B My advice=2C as alwa= ys with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't have a choice. Your s= etup works? Why mess with a good thing?
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>=3B I= =92ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadventures. I t= hink computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good for a c= ouple of upgrades=2C but after that things will likely slow down and there = is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iteration.
&= gt=3B
>=3B I learned the hard way=2C it is very difficult to go backw= ards. I tried that on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still= couldn=92t do it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed t= he OS (whatever was before Mavericks).
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= --_67f31571-7493-466c-9160-2db10b1fae24_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 13:18:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B4A101351; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=9nVYjfJo79C1McvGv3GA8HQmChmSNQ5taXhJFz8pJ2A=; b=BIJ/+JLgWHv5ZBNPFH3YV4FIuM6cvRT2XAUmvzacaxdDy7OWcxSBURz4GtErbtZ775 PKBmqwmKGGWxHZdDr5xdoDi9WnYaV5yPxq3ApcT+8prG11LIRqVQs5Z5HDq1BlpEiQOl sFQEk9P0tIg5AAif58LRp/agIjVrLh16lTQOiYCQXC+Cd8Ra1GV5opZPgN9zg77C5yl3 5KHYt6bm0NNvF0tv9Ak7n5WDLytGbfttac1iR7987eSysD0uJwPGUdt260yx3M4hUE6u WgDcWPnPnvzul1QMBzjOdu/piqpGTQ7O6Hyaa28r3nCRfmHveOBtiNM1u1hzXnc/vCkl bQAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9nVYjfJo79C1McvGv3GA8HQmChmSNQ5taXhJFz8pJ2A=; b=EMAdChUolhKBj+sxt1SeoSRBBUUZAzwSnOCqio+JNl+G4oLCRD5WUfezrdiqEJjBvK Bysg2J/6gCIoSoEaBu0YBKjCHt93Iqc4Fs8v5Ma4e9x4EOgE6qV0GwkduGbuGk87LVrU cUaURkk7riOC9UfGezBGSUwZXs0R66n+dpZtsJSHRofuoi9ZGMJ7qhO5d68Zjm1UBxJf 6ld3Hil2w4YxEnDbG+stiB45UnKhfwGnIhX5mmCm42wBWQandnI4ofkja8qiZD/vT1qr jLeGCE+7yLUE0ahdq6nflVcLXsoNi38Ls7IX0L8eDYunia0WE/t18nCU+ma1vPQK0bdW Uh5A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnlAsaB4VmOj/nMhqbKp3hiVg2OwQ0lxtBWNXnSbDM1Xy9AecbJp/Ca6VTQnFFM6OqJnNza X-Received: by 10.55.215.76 with SMTP id m73mr53617518qki.16.1448630314255; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:18:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Richard Sales Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149dd904adbb5052585873a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:18:35 +0000 (UTC) --001a1149dd904adbb5052585873a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion. It's the Vienna Ensemble Pro slave machine. OS9 was the best! I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=E2=80=A6 still though, o= nly thinking. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > That=E2=80=99s all well and good, but there=E2=80=99s also a point of sim= ply keeping up > with the times, and having all your software up to date. My early 2011 15= =E2=80=9D > mbp has seen a few logic board replacements due to a hardware design flaw= . > Regardless, it=E2=80=99s been running smoothly except for third party ker= nel > extensions that wasn=E2=80=99t updated and stuff like that. So if it=E2= =80=99s > self-inflicted misadventures due to lack of understanding or wanting to > keep things in check, and potentially scrapping a few plugins here and > there, that no longer/for the time being aren=E2=80=99t stable/compatible= , then > that=E2=80=99s what you have to work with. And that can result in both a = faster, > and potentially even more reliable or effective setup, that supports the > current market, and all the newest features and tools you=E2=80=99ll come= across. > Potentially lower your latency, give you a higher quality audiopath and > more efficient use of your system (32bit vs 64bit etc.) That=E2=80=99s ki= nda the > beauty of Apple. If things are supported, it=E2=80=99ll usually run just = as smooth > if not better, if you keep everything up to date ;) > > I installed a 500gig samsung evo 850 and scrapped the old hdd, and this > thing runs stable and smooth. Wouldn=E2=80=99t wanna be using a 4-5 year = old OS X > just because I was too lazy to update, or too stubborn about the apps I > use, to let one or two plugins or whatnot determine the OS X version I=E2= =80=99m on > :) I remember when working at a film production company, they where talki= ng > about Final Cut Pro X just like we have been talking about Logic Pro X, a= nd > how it was not professional etc. etc. now you see soo many companies take > the FCPX route, and not looking back. Why? Because all in all, it=E2=80= =99s an > easier, faster work flow with the auto-rendering etc. that=E2=80=99s goin= g on in > the background, the user experience is fresh and clean, and a lot of thin= gs > are working under the hood much better, due to correcting the mistakes fr= om > previous editions. > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > >> On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras >> wrote: >> >> > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don'= t >> have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? >> >> >> I=E2=80=99ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadven= tures. I >> think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good for= a >> couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow down and ther= e >> is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iteration. >> >> I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried >> that on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=E2= =80=99t do >> it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS (whate= ver >> was before Mavericks). >> >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch >> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow >> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Torben Scharling > --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a1149dd904adbb5052585873a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My = early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion.=C2=A0 It's the Vie= nna Ensemble Pro slave machine.=C2=A0
OS9 was the best!
I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 M= acPro=E2=80=A6 still though, only thinking.=C2=A0

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Torb= en Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That=E2=80=99s all well and = good, but there=E2=80=99s also a point of simply keeping up with the times,= and having all your software up to date. My early 2011 15=E2=80=9D mbp has= seen a few logic board replacements due to a hardware design flaw. Regardl= ess, it=E2=80=99s been running smoothly except for third party kernel exten= sions that wasn=E2=80=99t updated and stuff like that. So if it=E2=80=99s s= elf-inflicted misadventures due to lack of understanding or wanting to keep= things in check, and potentially scrapping a few plugins here and there, t= hat no longer/for the time being aren=E2=80=99t stable/compatible, then tha= t=E2=80=99s what you have to work with. And that can result in both a faste= r, and potentially even more reliable or effective setup, that supports the= current market, and all the newest features and tools you=E2=80=99ll come = across. Potentially lower your latency, give you a higher quality audiopath= and more efficient use of your system (32bit vs 64bit etc.) That=E2=80=99s= kinda the beauty of Apple. If things are supported, it=E2=80=99ll usually = run just as smooth if not better, if you keep everything up to date ;)=C2= =A0

=C2=A0I installed a 500gig samsung evo 850 and scrap= ped the old hdd, and this thing runs stable and smooth. Wouldn=E2=80=99t wa= nna be using a 4-5 year old OS X just because I was too lazy to update, or = too stubborn about the apps I use, to let one or two plugins or whatnot det= ermine the OS X version I=E2=80=99m on :) I remember when working at a film= production company, they where talking about Final Cut Pro X just like we = have been talking about Logic Pro X, and how it was not professional etc. e= tc. now you see soo many companies take the FCPX route, and not looking bac= k. Why? Because all in all, it=E2=80=99s an easier, faster work flow with t= he auto-rendering etc. that=E2=80=99s going on in the background, the user = experience is fresh and clean, and a lot of things are working under the ho= od much better, due to correcting the mistakes from previous editions.

On Fri, No= v 27, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@gmail.com> wro= te:
On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, S= ylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

> My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don&= #39;t have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing?


I=E2=80=99ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misa= dventures. I think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You ar= e good for a couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow dow= n and there is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iter= ation.

I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried that = on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=E2=80=99t d= o it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS (whatev= er was before Mavericks).

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dw= atch
https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/






--
Torben Scharling



--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail drives the other one out'
<= span style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:18.900054931640625px">Great Englis= h/Zen Proverb


--001a1149dd904adbb5052585873a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 13:21:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4996510134B; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=4k053z1jnHePb0FPCGTPEAfR17golrST9B0VjQJIepU=; b=E1u75tivG2d9Sl9G2ZkDWHdeWS82ApEUdYJ3W57JVCWaoT0z6ql4dg/DcZZyQj9Auq WOb0EHhUJoSDb/TaosOImDBqs48wRrWQMrfw27Fogg41uZJnfWuG5I/xjcrUvAHFTvtw /6y7mywgWZuo3HqiBohEAjxaicvQjbM9Eo3iW2ZHsV8h+sdn7m+0YbLB0UsPMN3bIl5X y50DDBlqnk+Z5x2XO3tqhXe/JKNSXJPZztaMVtYvYXGiyfFaSqBQemI8g9rMf6i6wbwY xhnYKRNjC3hnVmKKwHek46TS7tHFYhnxEJTs3O3gWz0g3NwqBtbEfPcLC+60i0Fwnp0a K0CA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4k053z1jnHePb0FPCGTPEAfR17golrST9B0VjQJIepU=; b=gHrN2tuY2yp5XwML58w9xQegBY3kedvsTy3R69PNm83sZjeSk9Nyo8EN3geN6RUTwF MI1yHMHmlsp47dWb9ufNMrbG4wOq3h2vvC+4MJ3b+uZwJNmw/fc2jCc3Z15KY4NwzvWk 6V0OXVK2M20HVyoLaP+loIg1yp7toFfn2fwkLAMd0wpUTUgOC7QP0b+zRFnxDnizLgkH n0nHZUtL65tFQzllvRcVfrGlxksEKZa3heLmpXoPBBbYvMc7hu4cOGwHmr7+EKIalFMM DB0JzK6WlU6wKhrQkm629BuYK2nAFcBF2H3AxbcnLEg0eHQqZetKZM1RxmZdHq/URRkj IB/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnDdva+hPZa2QbfZDXT+gvL4k5HhXBk6x8WCk3ci65qb9Erux1qhlcMBmzwePWyyiY8zTDn X-Received: by 10.140.234.147 with SMTP id f141mr32467978qhc.61.1448630492663; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:21:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Richard Sales Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:21:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c0f5faed2b0505258591fb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:21:33 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c0f5faed2b0505258591fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure what happened with El Capitan, but I must have gotten fifteen different emails from plugin providers saying Don't Upgrade to El Capitan. Apparently Pro Tools can run on it now=E2=80=A6 but not sure about the plug= ins. I think Native Instruments recently announced their stuff will run on it. I worried about folks who had their machines on auto update. If I was smart I would download all the different OS's as they come. That way, if I needed to upgrade and El Capitan didn't work, I could resort to Yosemite. But I always forget! On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Ivodne Galatea wrote= : > Agreed with everything everyone is saying. My core problem is that > Steinberg has a locking system that doesn't want to play with El Capitan. > Given what's at stake here (subase, wavelab, all their virtual synths) I > can't help thinking they'll have to fix it soon. My best guess is that th= ey > were using that old standby, and undocumented OS feature, to make their > system uncrackable, and the feature changed when Apple hardened OSX. > > I can't help wondering too if the people who took a less regular approach > to musical software acquisition had these problems > > > Subject: Re: El Capitan > > From: edurbrow@gmail.com > > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:21:50 +0900 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Sylvain Poitras < > sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > My advice, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you > don't have a choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing? > > > > > > I=E2=80=99ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadve= ntures. I > think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are good for = a > couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow down and there > is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iteration. > > > > I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go backwards. I tried > that on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and still couldn=E2= =80=99t do > it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he installed the OS (whatev= er > was before Mavericks). > > > > Ed Durbrow > > Saitama, Japan > > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > > https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow > > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > > > --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a11c0f5faed2b0505258591fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not= sure what happened with El Capitan, but I must have gotten fifteen differe= nt emails from plugin providers saying Don't Upgrade to El Capitan.
Apparently Pro Too= ls can run on it now=E2=80=A6 but not sure about the plugins.
I think Native Instruments r= ecently announced their stuff will run on it.=C2=A0

I worried about folks who had their machines on = auto update.=C2=A0

If I w= as smart I would download all the different OS's as they come.=C2=A0 Th= at way, if I needed to upgrade and El Capitan didn't work, I could reso= rt to Yosemite.=C2=A0

But= I always forget!

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Ivodne Galatea <= ;takas20@hotmail.c= om> wrote:
Agreed with everything everyone is saying. My core pr= oblem is that Steinberg has a locking system that doesn't want to play = with El Capitan. Given what's at stake here (subase, wavelab, all their= virtual synths) I can't help thinking they'll have to fix it soon.= My best guess is that they were using that old standby, and undocumented O= S feature, to make their system uncrackable, and the feature changed when A= pple hardened OSX.

I can't help wondering too if the= people who took a less regular approach to musical software acquisition ha= d these problems

> Subject: Re: El Capitan
> From: edurbrow@gmail.com=
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:21:50 +0900
> To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
>
> On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Sylvai= n Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My advic= e, as always with OS upgrades of any kind: wait until you don't have a = choice. Your setup works? Why mess with a good thing?
>
>
= > I=E2=80=99ve come around to that way of thinking after years of misadv= entures. I think computers are designed for the OS they ship with. You are = good for a couple of upgrades, but after that things will likely slow down = and there is the ongoing thing of programs not working with each new iterat= ion.
>
> I learned the hard way, it is very difficult to go b= ackwards. I tried that on an SSD I bought especially for that purpose and s= till couldn=E2=80=99t do it. I had to send the SSD to my tech guru and he i= nstalled the OS (whatever was before Mavericks).
>
> Ed Durbro= w
> Saitama, Japan
> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbr= ow?feature=3Dwatch
> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
> http://www9.plala.= or.jp/edurbrow/
>
>
>
<= /div>



--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail drives the other one out'
<= span style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:18.900054931640625px">Great Englis= h/Zen Proverb


--001a11c0f5faed2b0505258591fb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 21:44:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA42101358; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=+sXqyCjDgOTqBGAcwD1AUfw9NfCIQYwmTtlUxi9YHEQ=; b=sFkF0sn48Wq7ZhIw8EUDjZI9Ce mc5obiko1MdwEZPpbGxV5em1CLTcNsQwkIf7Tx/P+SaaOebgOqXttZ8O3sSWniL2psq9cU2/ih06+ JzCgAp6yTz8i/ayGg/ww6JA/0XeHkpwiI80TgwKjwHii+6FRiBAz/FPrG/4kV0GCiOIo=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:44:09 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8434E9C9-0A44-4E4A-BD05-35296218794A@kliklak.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:44:12 +0000 (UTC) i can relate to this, Richard.=20 No reason to follow any and all updates, just because someone tries to = sell you your already working configuration again. 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It's the = Vienna Ensemble Pro slave machine.=20 > OS9 was the best! > I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=85 still though, = only thinking.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 22:14:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861BF10135C; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=wtlzUDHWfa6eDl7eTXGFyZBsH7cBPPI4SDnJHNQ9taM=; b=l05Jcts52/U/y7gjQYIdqOHCt12qD1f2zXgs46EkrcOSz+NQNXkaMh0hYfrnSnlHas Ylz/seSFDFs0GAqnXSZYerAjDMQxveqD/bx9cLaigCU30eoIj4LRzcHJX26qrvMVTklv CoHY0T1Ehq60OsquLein5uiRtld+kcxJAf3JFNpY8igE81x8nybQFlHWY3lxZUhhZ8c0 /6dNeyXomXvR9eqD3sWbOORHgVpYXVV1O/2hVFuLWNZ40d/VQsHseAVxHyCwUrUeG2n4 SdYtAlH2UPeLv/WWDO2lnNW0AukT0eOxNZzy0o+M8URJmm4pA7B5DChffNOr4tVFwIAL NSUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wtlzUDHWfa6eDl7eTXGFyZBsH7cBPPI4SDnJHNQ9taM=; b=VF3GM28Z0KURndkKHg7jODsku28sjCAzNM6XjMvMvwsHAN4SNiFKw3TfFQAi956G9j MP8c+r1/QjayRD1XPcjCDYEG1xwEZQDBYPNY1VtsmSdZtQYimHajQCMr1DKnCTPmlFTM OXz2dDJPdTD3EeguUUX6Stm/rRMaemVqOPPLm+Z+PRTJ6TMT80fwOXOtkJiGvlnlACcd weIYHJNGXUK+7d05ndgHHw38ydemdfqnbUFZ0mA95ZAkXgHA+FM1JGPL4DMYYqz/on66 tjodANdxki0HThguTP5XCXLdKHLwl37ndAtnICS9ufMQAKudElQKxBmRazN/+O+JTiHx 302Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlKOuHCFF9BO43xgsOSlVJmKiWZ7iW3vnqyMoUfk+ThvBUcoltlUqW0BObIrGAjnKsJDHSN X-Received: by 10.55.82.193 with SMTP id g184mr58118134qkb.65.1448662447437; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:14:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8434E9C9-0A44-4E4A-BD05-35296218794A@kliklak.net> References: <8434E9C9-0A44-4E4A-BD05-35296218794A@kliklak.net> From: Richard Sales Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:13:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a6fcc9454eb05258d02ba Resent-Message-ID: <5ASFDD.A.BQF.wWNWWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:14:08 +0000 (UTC) --001a114a6fcc9454eb05258d02ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have an E4K if anyone wants one! The action is fantastic. I DO MISS OPCODE! Studio Vision. Dave Oppenheim now works for Avid. I guess the new Pro Tools is somewhat like Studio Vision, but I really miss the simple interface, the ease of making different length loops etc. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM, jrploopers wrote: > i can relate to this, Richard. > No reason to follow any and all updates, just because someone tries to > sell you your already working configuration again. > This is definately not stubborn, but clever and cool. > And i miss the opcode plate reverb ;) just had a good character, but well= , > OS9 is really over now, though it helps, if you get a EMU IV sampler (tod= ay > almost for free) and just want to transfer some sample banks via a serial > connector. Ha! > > jayrope > --- > www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ > www.aircushionfinish.com > www.prinzenallee.com > www.plus.google.com/+jayrope > > On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > > My early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion. It's the Vienn= a > Ensemble Pro slave machine. > > OS9 was the best! > > I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=E2=80=A6 still thoug= h, only > thinking. > > --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a114a6fcc9454eb05258d02ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hav= e an E4K if anyone wants one!=C2=A0 The action is fantastic.=C2=A0
I DO MISS OPCODE!=C2=A0= Studio Vision. =C2=A0
Dave Oppenheim now works for Avid.=C2=A0 I guess the new Pro Tools = is somewhat like Studio Vision, but I really miss the simple interface, the= ease of making different length loops etc.=C2=A0

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM, jrpl= oopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
i can relate to this, Richard.
No reason to follow any and all updates, just because someone tries to sell= you your already working configuration again.
This is definately not stubborn, but clever and cool.
And i miss the opcode plate reverb ;) just had a good character, but well, = OS9 is really over now, though it helps, if you get a EMU IV sampler (today= almost for free) and just want to transfer some sample banks via a serial = connector. Ha!

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope

On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

> My early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion.=C2=A0 It's= the Vienna Ensemble Pro slave machine.
> OS9 was the best!
> I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=E2=80=A6 still = though, only thinking.




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail drives the other one out'
<= span style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:18.900054931640625px">Great Englis= h/Zen Proverb


--001a114a6fcc9454eb05258d02ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 27 23:46:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F72010135F; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=4+P+bqVxbDv6nNsshItcpn3fjWXmGLMdOCwKR3q+yPU=; b=jbBvqP0oi6fCXx4EVsQcaUOBEC 8QBiKCZ3OcoiDYkexIl7ZbkRbEqXCJ/L46osIhZrowNdyIE4hQ3tCPhUnI+uRMHlSv5RT14YrGx3+ rAhSJk55q3aNo2suObHcK58YOkrqb0mG6+h0GcWgnf6ahL9XnLyW8eb8glVlXEvLm1Pk=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: El Capitan - cloning bootable systems From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 00:46:41 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20604F0E-E322-479B-B579-91E949E9F0D4@kliklak.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Hmm.=20 Just a couple of weeks ago i (again) cloned 10.9.5 and 10.7.5 using only = disk utility.=20 The process was simple and both copies are bootable.=20 Same can be done with a more scheduled option simply using time machine, = which also supports smart copying already. Block copy options are welcome, though not needed over here, unless = already deep in trouble - if so i'd use 0xED, though - it's free and = allows to hex edit as well. Scripting before or after a copy i never needed, what is it good for? Thanx for any insights. jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope On Nov 26, 2015, at 4:26 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM, jrploopers = wrote: > Can you post a link about the valuable extras?=20 >=20 > = http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/167036/disk-utility-vs-carbon-cop= y-cloner-how-to-clone-your-drive-with-apples-built From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 29 00:39:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C291101357; Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=HebXs4hhYXlet5qHKZFf1xD6NUtRmRSswDrwogOaOw8=; b=oZEQINjjQlol6+1AysRfeE3E/E2su4iPpEVj1Z0ea2Xt9M7P07fhzKiMTlcbXN4/xd 6CIuf48c8jSBySMO/0HhuwqE6ftaPvuYyorl1qfGkJN/NX3WpqODLwsW9COJ5MUiihY8 KIxBIH/OL9ervCRoF2Z9hnIfG401lleD/tprGvr2ZqyJYADygIE5ooOcc/BcgSt5TzZE mm+C+nd8m4Bd8nbUPRrXNqDPTfXHOOtz2XiPJcSVwxefJ+t56XOx8R3PqLoUYon0qVZN XHiyNRf5LS3lpfTVovpYmf/cZrXuajoXt0wWg2kQMFdcRZ6fWJVz8TEDsFN/0M6zk6V0 Dj6w== X-Received: by 10.50.20.163 with SMTP id o3mr15320797ige.35.1448757598099; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <8434E9C9-0A44-4E4A-BD05-35296218794A@kliklak.net> From: Tom Swirly Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:39:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cX-0-tnAhDtV_ecZjywvPxaeoTE Message-ID: Subject: Re: El Capitan To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd75dec001f9b0525a32a0f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd75dec001f9b0525a32a0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gosh, I miss Opcode. The simple things I used to do then that still can't be done in Ableton - will never be able to be done in Ableton. > there=E2=80=99s also a point of simply keeping up with the times, and hav= ing all your software up to date. As a professional software engineer, I see very little advantage in that from the point of view of the user. It's more work for nothing of tangible value. If you don't believe that - suppose you were running 10.8. Which killer feature in 10.9, 10.10 or 10.11 would you suggest to convince me to upgrade= ? If the answer is, "I can't actually remember one killer feature from any of those upgrades, and each time my system ran a little slower," then you get a prize, and that prize is "Not having to do a bunch of work after a useless upgrade." :-D On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > Have an E4K if anyone wants one! The action is fantastic. > I DO MISS OPCODE! Studio Vision. > Dave Oppenheim now works for Avid. I guess the new Pro Tools is somewhat > like Studio Vision, but I really miss the simple interface, the ease of > making different length loops etc. > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM, jrploopers > wrote: > >> i can relate to this, Richard. >> No reason to follow any and all updates, just because someone tries to >> sell you your already working configuration again. >> This is definately not stubborn, but clever and cool. >> And i miss the opcode plate reverb ;) just had a good character, but >> well, OS9 is really over now, though it helps, if you get a EMU IV sampl= er >> (today almost for free) and just want to transfer some sample banks via = a >> serial connector. Ha! >> >> jayrope >> --- >> www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ >> www.aircushionfinish.com >> www.prinzenallee.com >> www.plus.google.com/+jayrope >> >> On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Richard Sales wrote: >> >> > My early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion. It's the >> Vienna Ensemble Pro slave machine. >> > OS9 was the best! >> > I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=E2=80=A6 still thou= gh, only >> thinking. >> >> > > > -- > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > > 'One nail drives the other one out' > Great English/Zen Proverb > > > --=20 /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --047d7bd75dec001f9b0525a32a0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gosh, I miss Opcode.=C2=A0 The simple things I used to do = then that still can't be done in Ableton - will never be able to be don= e in Ableton.

> ther= e=E2=80=99s also a point of simply keeping up with the times, and having al= l your software up to date.

As a professi= onal software engineer, I see very little advantage in that from the point = of view of the user.=C2=A0 It's more work for nothing of tangible value= .

I= f you don't believe that - suppose you were running 10.8.=C2=A0 Which k= iller feature in 10.9, 10.10 or 10.11 would you suggest to convince me to u= pgrade?

If the answer is, "I can't actual= ly remember one killer feature from any of those upgrades, and each time my= system ran a little slower," then you get a prize, and that prize is = "Not having to do a bunch of work after a useless upgrade." =C2= =A0:-D


=
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Richard Sal= es <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Have an E4K if anyone wants one!=C2=A0 The action is fantastic.= =C2=A0
I DO MIS= S OPCODE!=C2=A0 Studio Vision. =C2=A0
Dave Oppenheim now works for Avid.=C2=A0 I guess the= new Pro Tools is somewhat like Studio Vision, but I really miss the simple= interface, the ease of making different length loops etc.=C2=A0

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM, jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net= > wrote:
i can relate to th= is, Richard.
No reason to follow any and all updates, just because someone tries to sell= you your already working configuration again.
This is definately not stubborn, but clever and cool.
And i miss the opcode plate reverb ;) just had a good character, but well, = OS9 is really over now, though it helps, if you get a EMU IV sampler (today= almost for free) and just want to transfer some sample banks via a serial = connector. Ha!

jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope

On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

> My early 08 Mac Pro runs like a champ on Mountain Lion.=C2=A0 It's= the Vienna Ensemble Pro slave machine.
> OS9 was the best!
> I'm thinking of upgrading the OS on my 2102 MacPro=E2=80=A6 still = though, only thinking.




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--047d7bd75dec001f9b0525a32a0f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 29 00:58:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A98310134F; Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=fuJ0U018z3O3h2kTkYeEUrNaULYs155Pr0f/zp6cU/c=; b=zA0iAmzQ2V8KAbiUOV/mGx9Yrt /o0rOIF30T9Ez7dyOcd5qemO5lJMlzWlMWdgSCoCyXzdX+4IntSfdXGtdHN0SooPVjsPIHsJKqN1Z 59UjrokUtZrFa+WLNfpkNkSmPidRP2fw1L6xVTaVMKT1qM23gx+Nii6nQ9hWaYBq0RyQ=; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Kim - From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: <20151110033327.EB04F101357@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:58:12 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20151110033327.EB04F101357@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Kim is missed, so nice he installed this community and server = archive. Reminds me, if anybody needs help getting this to more modern = standard: i can help. Even if it just means to transfer existing info = into a CMS. jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope On Nov 10, 2015, at 4:33 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Rejyna MDW > Subject: Happy Birthday Kim - > Date: November 10, 2015 4:25:27 AM GMT+01:00 > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = >=20 >=20 > You are missed... >=20 > Here's looping at you - thanks for helping us stay in the loop with = Loopers Delight. >=20 > Rejyna