From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 15:06:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B09DA1015AF; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZOg2++S6rhnuPLnV1N2Cc37oYdDRIpzv4KK4atks9oo=; b=pC87/tuVSD6845FXTAAjQDO2DiyFJ5fjdxCbKZPfgSG8JBEuPcPj+/3HT4txE4SrHW u+PvYsYUCvZ332Pco3fgCw0MSKRQdKYA21sW08JEueQ0zOwa3vNciQZ4Qapyfvu+NoyO sPO1m05O5LZwbLz5vtApEH4QiB7mHmNDpLphjajf8ilNmzuQkb9uy7dH9KolgIZ48W+T kaNqNj3KdkgUgAnqGTF7TxscDQKUddqbe1lVoT5u4Xn2awZq6zaaWHPBpNBXjiOgYUtu RoJv1K0QjHZ5sdocrO7JhNa2QFlr3T2FsCj4g92qpWN29rxkO8CdcQCaWXbdJ38xls15 NRCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.20.160 with SMTP id 32mr6029782lfu.28.1449155209240; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:06:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:06:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fc41878a58d0525ffbd8a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) --001a113fc41878a58d0525ffbd8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Boomerang user here. So I have Ableton now and I'm seriously thinking of transitioning to software. As I use a lot of electronic elements, samples and time synced effects I think I could simplify my rig(and my life) By just doing it all in Ableton. I don't have a foot controller yet but I'm doing some experiments. I can get Ableton(in session view) to behave like the boomerang in parallel mode. BUT because each button in Ableton is only midi assignable to one controller button loop start and stop would take two buttons..yuck. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe I should use a vast looper within Ableton. Another issue.. I do not think series looping is possible in software? But I'm over that. I only use it in a few songs. Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe it's because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. With a quad core laptop is latency manageable? Thanks. --001a113fc41878a58d0525ffbd8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Boomerang user here. So I have Ableton now and I'm serio= usly thinking of transitioning to software. As I use a lot of electronic el= ements, samples and time synced effects I think I could simplify my rig(and= my life) By just doing it all in Ableton. I don't have a foot controll= er yet but I'm doing some experiments. I can get Ableton(in session vie= w) to behave like the boomerang in parallel mode. BUT because each button i= n Ableton is only midi assignable to one controller button loop start and s= top would take two buttons..yuck. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe = I should use a vast looper within Ableton.

Another issue..

I do not think series looping is possible in software? But I= 'm over that. I only use it in a few songs.

Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances= but I believe it's because I'm currently using an old duo core hom= e pc. With a quad core laptop is latency manageable?
Thanks.

--001a113fc41878a58d0525ffbd8a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 15:24:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9AF1015B4; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aTtL+U3kYvMNyzonpDKaK+AiY3Q5GeonfC8O+9ZvMR0=; b=N+H3qUFam22Ub/Zl+Sx1F9OPIe4dXRRKe+wZoZyOVF8rYlK/comLAzUcKrSjALADD4 TSovZ6Kev+w6tDlDky7fG2HN+AJDogRFl6fabi8Rnz2EVV8Jcs+jIKcgRP8M9TBcmCqw eG19oU75agsaE2S0rBHSUIl0Sk8L7FzKY35AaG5f4FcQeVvtvRmoC6wkUcwiuhhq/3ue UG9KexZBAiRZhvbOzNvyqi7XMYYtLnKJHPR9TG9U66D1ogD06kzzDM0v9WKgCbAPBxKB eWUT5mPLJX7I4isg03SuyBAuW2bbJXpE+zYLXAIgLDX4v0SDXqN1hvmWC/HAJBVGhfE4 MH1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.91.11 with SMTP id p11mr5844635lfb.35.1449156253780; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:24:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:24:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Josh, On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > I do not think series looping is possible in software? What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the playing loop, on the same track/channel. > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe it's > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that audio (on next loop return). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 15:35:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BAD1015B7; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ge6qwWx4fd6DpZsjE5nTkWFnr8+HGaVO+reWHG9pcH4=; b=H977uND9V4LuswcZOAfvk4MJ114kjpf0PSDqT703/2M1jBvI3O5zyMhCOvyHy+zd5g Yv6zf8UGmfIDFsAEy1XLC8BLz2zA94HklNRu2/qevg4uRNMIO+ySjOu4xu7Jeo7aiwYa nN6lnW/3IIsgD6pRuz3gtcg+1zplLhohni73L2DNEmSp4b0b+zfl0qmTtVGElJW9epeE amlam0ms4TvrGV1/vBzszT5LGxaFp+eHgZYJMOD0kXxvDRjCtD/C4lh68Vv+ueUXkn5p vUF7kpqGepW9Ued8FkpPF0gTxhfdMeksMTRZzXRbs0dcbG8X2WbTdeDhP5zbTX7dVThD ftBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.54.193 with SMTP id l1mr5868315lbp.58.1449156901403; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:35:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:35:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3a9145503d805260022d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:35:02 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c3a9145503d805260022d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin. So I believe that would take care of series looping (having an a,b or c part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal. yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in" the only reason I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling me I have to do that to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise with monitoring off I don't have latency. Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right now push button starts recording then second push stops recording and plays loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the loop playing (like a loop pedal) On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Hi Josh, > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > I do not think series looping is possible in software? > > What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for > alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with > recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the > playing loop, on the same track/channel. > > > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe > it's > > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. > > I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to > digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with > software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the > software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or > "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part > goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to > the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency > because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty > of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that > audio (on next loop return). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --001a11c3a9145503d805260022d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin.

So I believe that would take care of series looping (having= an a,b or c part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal.

yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to &= quot;in" the only reason I'm doing that is because YouTube tutoria= ls are telling me I have to do that to use plug in effects live on a channe= l. Other wise with monitoring off I don't have latency.

Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one but= ton. Right now push button starts recording then second push stops recordin= g and plays loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the = loop playing (like a loop pedal)

On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
Hi Josh,

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think series looping is possible in software?

What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops = for
alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with<= br> recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the
playing loop, on the same track/channel.

> Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I bel= ieve it's
> because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc.

I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes= to
digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with
software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the
software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or<= br> "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one = part
goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to
the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency
because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty
of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that
audio (on next loop return).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

--001a11c3a9145503d805260022d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 16:02:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0951015B6; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hblnxmtascan04.hostbaby.com Message-ID: <45b1466b01c3c864080508a777333cc1.squirrel@www.noahpeterson.com.hostbaby.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:02:48 -0600 Subject: gear recommendations? From: "Noah Peterson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Reply-To: noah@noahpeterson.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Tech Wizards! I've got a friend who is new to looping, but is jumping in head first. He went from a BOSS RC-300 a few months month to getting Ableton and an APC40 MKII. He is guitarist and looking for foot controllers. My initial thought was the FCB 1010 or X-tempo pok; but I'm not a software guy. I would love some recommendations from you guys. Thank you! Noah Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 16:36:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B441015B5; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lsKm+L/kok1RVgRetImwoZ0/xJEWqxKesWXLX2ewFBM=; b=QWyGqxL+pKEJEBKAgr9eMKB/M5EUTNnYJQoHjTLWilGDqtJTakAwRujFCJ+HccLH7Y j4yKTYbI8pFVxgRvAoK+J/FwSU1z/r2B3g0Zuit0mCWgXKcNR3sE2pjX3LzBMJj1AwEb T9T39OUaAaopUlHMCQrqLycPW/oY0aYAHApjZ5SAJTUwT7SDc96KU1xi8+2uQbX4poIj LFx2Kh8h4z4gDDr4pfKmBGXSJ7/7E69dmsxBHCCod6yOoacRWX6q4dB48ChXniwZaYMl /1tn033klNoyz9KFHYi2i+dU5KtlrPsnA0/B4XxpA87gBihekCKD1+X4sCUcFAa05Rpf XA6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.180.35 with SMTP id dl3mr6053179lbc.27.1449160574657; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:36:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:36:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:36:16 +0000 (UTC) You can set how clips will generally behave in the preferences (tab: "Record, Warp, Lunch") and also, for specific clips, in the Launch box down to the left (click the tiny "L" inside the yellow circle to open it up). A trick many use for live looping in Live is this two step method: 1. MIDI learn - assign - a MIDI event to some module to perform an action (like for example a clip to stop playback or a looper to go Reverse....) 2. Then create "dummy" clips, MIDI clips on a MIDI channel, and fill those "controller clips" with the MIDI event to be sent to the plugin that is to be triggered to perform the corresponding action. This way you can simply trigger one of those controller clips, rather than kick a pedal assigned directly to the plugin function. The good things are that there are many ways to trigger clips, so you are not limited that much. The simplest setup would be to have just one pedal that does "Trigger Next Clip" on a quick stomp and "Trigger Previous Clip" on a "Hold Pedal Switch Down". You may also keep alternative columns in Live of these Control Dummy MIDI Clips; one for each song; where you order the commands like they are to be triggered while you perform that song. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin. > > So I believe that would take care of series looping (having an a,b or c > part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal. > > yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in" the only reason > I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling me I have to do that > to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise with monitoring off I > don't have latency. > > Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right now > push button starts recording then second push stops recording and plays > loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the loop playing > (like a loop pedal) > > On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> Hi Josh, >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > I do not think series looping is possible in software? >> >> What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for >> alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with >> recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the >> playing loop, on the same track/channel. >> >> > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe >> > it's >> > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. >> >> I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to >> digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with >> software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the >> software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or >> "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part >> goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to >> the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency >> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty >> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that >> audio (on next loop return). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 16:44:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66EEA1015B8; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zw2RbYuTX6Pq/UhX4bGX+Ww+afdzNEfng8WtxE+LaGs=; b=dwDDbngQLNodq6qPzqCnRpRsqMR+2qZMjFL5FRRpIci1Wnm0My92IoTPsGq5KfNs9J wrKZYRprFt4x9bZRmVPokhcpLmpwwSjSdFCslYPdn0rCNZjGioEQrpQXM0HhPHl8VAqZ bW4lgKVuX4A/Vgdtsch2S7mvqAw0gELUZE813gDbdsVw1sfvXmChdmFcJ8p7Kr6ZR83I MY7Bxu7K8ULvYhYxISFzsRUBxwcQHHYnYXDqCf6R8q2PbSq5C/gA+IX4+mAIuBNc63xz o6qOwAybnj/TxTXSZDRnG7UHRKm0cV/VzIcoTkI27NG0dbHoEjoQRigrrDd72C+7u/ho JzpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.10 with SMTP id qm10mr5387302lbb.139.1449161042214; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:44:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011615a024c7660526011903 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:44:03 +0000 (UTC) --089e011615a024c7660526011903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Awesome tips! I'll try tonight and report back! thanks On Dec 3, 2015 10:36 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > You can set how clips will generally behave in the preferences (tab: > "Record, Warp, Lunch") and also, for specific clips, in the Launch box > down to the left (click the tiny "L" inside the yellow circle to open > it up). > > A trick many use for live looping in Live is this two step method: > > 1. MIDI learn - assign - a MIDI event to some module to perform an > action (like for example a clip to stop playback or a looper to go > Reverse....) > > 2. Then create "dummy" clips, MIDI clips on a MIDI channel, and fill > those "controller clips" with the MIDI event to be sent to the plugin > that is to be triggered to perform the corresponding action. > > This way you can simply trigger one of those controller clips, rather > than kick a pedal assigned directly to the plugin function. The good > things are that there are many ways to trigger clips, so you are not > limited that much. The simplest setup would be to have just one pedal > that does "Trigger Next Clip" on a quick stomp and "Trigger Previous > Clip" on a "Hold Pedal Switch Down". You may also keep alternative > columns in Live of these Control Dummy MIDI Clips; one for each song; > where you order the commands like they are to be triggered while you > perform that song. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin. > > > > So I believe that would take care of series looping (having an a,b or c > > part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal. > > > > yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in" the only > reason > > I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling me I have to do > that > > to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise with monitoring off > I > > don't have latency. > > > > Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right > now > > push button starts recording then second push stops recording and plays > > loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the loop > playing > > (like a loop pedal) > > > > On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> > >> Hi Josh, > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott > >> wrote: > >> > I do not think series looping is possible in software? > >> > >> What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for > >> alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with > >> recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the > >> playing loop, on the same track/channel. > >> > >> > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe > >> > it's > >> > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. > >> > >> I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to > >> digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with > >> software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the > >> software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or > >> "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part > >> goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to > >> the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency > >> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty > >> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that > >> audio (on next loop return). > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > > > > --089e011615a024c7660526011903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Awesome tips! I'll try tonight and report back! thanks <= /p>

On Dec 3, 2015 10:36 AM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
You can set how c= lips will generally behave in the preferences (tab:
"Record, Warp, Lunch") and also, for specific clips, in the Launc= h box
down to the left (click the tiny "L" inside the yellow circle to = open
it up).

A trick many use for live looping in Live is this two step method:

1. MIDI learn - assign - a MIDI event to some module to perform an
action (like for example a clip to stop playback or a looper to go
Reverse....)

2. Then create "dummy" clips, MIDI clips on a MIDI channel, and f= ill
those "controller clips" with the MIDI event to be sent to the pl= ugin
that is to be triggered to perform the corresponding action.

This way you can simply trigger one of those controller clips, rather
than kick a pedal assigned directly to the plugin function. The good
things are that there are many ways to trigger clips, so you are not
limited that much. The simplest setup would be to have just one pedal
that does "Trigger Next Clip" on a quick stomp and "Trigger = Previous
Clip" on a "Hold Pedal Switch Down". You may also keep alter= native
columns in Live of these Control Dummy MIDI Clips; one for each song;
where you order the commands like they are to be triggered while you
perform that song.



Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin.
>
> So I believe that would take care of series looping (having an a,b or = c
> part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal.
>
> yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in&qu= ot; the only reason
> I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling me I have = to do that
> to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise with monitoring o= ff I
> don't have latency.
>
> Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right= now
> push button starts recording then second push stops recording and play= s
> loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the loop pl= aying
> (like a loop pedal)
>
> On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I do not think series looping is possible in software?
>>
>> What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series = of loops for
>> alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live wo= rks with
>> recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences = the
>> playing loop, on the same track/channel.
>>
>> > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances = but I believe
>> > it's
>> > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc.
>>
>> I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time= it takes to
>> digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with<= br> >> software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through = the
>> software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring&= quot; or
>> "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in = two; one part
>> goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly= to
>> the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latenc= y
>> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plen= ty
>> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back th= at
>> audio (on next loop return).
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>

--089e011615a024c7660526011903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 16:48:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AFA11015C2; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gcg5jiyTu+AwSjREbBNyKkb9y3mpLRYIlI5AidQUQLI=; b=lnAflnLNCYMXx9Wp0Tst6aCcfdXTv+04FrCxJkVfW1UCsXqPyCP+OyAgG+QjajUvAs LzyWCGXDiiQoknzoZGH/pV3WM4+lxDYsegEVon+4qggyPOh8ikQt+PC32l6AY38/FMDV A/ejN4BQClS3PU7vqgFezRq2wYpDinjxlLYwH7bVSDGmZzLgowBsqpiFXDkdE5Ten/3y 5I0DmDzAXh3MxncwHeoHS8W0ff4Lqay6mXe/j+PRVdLi7qFSfzzpJhQ8Bc8fMGd5/Zrd j+exMQO5KDLycCMFbwmJisqEpSjRE13A0BtO/4aimeZwzHbZY8oEFgyvcO7LCeHC+9Vj ztpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.169.15 with SMTP id s15mr6069644lfe.20.1449161291262; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:48:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8ZnZD.A.b3E.MJHYWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Cool. You may need to read up on how MIDI signal path addressing works in Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Awesome tips! I'll try tonight and report back! thanks > > On Dec 3, 2015 10:36 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> You can set how clips will generally behave in the preferences (tab: >> "Record, Warp, Lunch") and also, for specific clips, in the Launch box >> down to the left (click the tiny "L" inside the yellow circle to open >> it up). >> >> A trick many use for live looping in Live is this two step method: >> >> 1. MIDI learn - assign - a MIDI event to some module to perform an >> action (like for example a clip to stop playback or a looper to go >> Reverse....) >> >> 2. Then create "dummy" clips, MIDI clips on a MIDI channel, and fill >> those "controller clips" with the MIDI event to be sent to the plugin >> that is to be triggered to perform the corresponding action. >> >> This way you can simply trigger one of those controller clips, rather >> than kick a pedal assigned directly to the plugin function. The good >> things are that there are many ways to trigger clips, so you are not >> limited that much. The simplest setup would be to have just one pedal >> that does "Trigger Next Clip" on a quick stomp and "Trigger Previous >> Clip" on a "Hold Pedal Switch Down". You may also keep alternative >> columns in Live of these Control Dummy MIDI Clips; one for each song; >> where you order the commands like they are to be triggered while you >> perform that song. >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin. >> > >> > So I believe that would take care of series looping (having an a,b or c >> > part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal. >> > >> > yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in" the only >> > reason >> > I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling me I have to do >> > that >> > to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise with monitoring off >> > I >> > don't have latency. >> > >> > Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right >> > now >> > push button starts recording then second push stops recording and plays >> > loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume the loop >> > playing >> > (like a loop pedal) >> > >> > On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Josh, >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott >> >> wrote: >> >> > I do not think series looping is possible in software? >> >> >> >> What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for >> >> alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with >> >> recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the >> >> playing loop, on the same track/channel. >> >> >> >> > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I >> >> > believe >> >> > it's >> >> > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. >> >> >> >> I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to >> >> digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with >> >> software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the >> >> software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or >> >> "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part >> >> goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to >> >> the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency >> >> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty >> >> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that >> >> audio (on next loop return). >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 17:24:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935B81015C5; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s2048; t=1449163451; bh=LowBq55HH7kGAYwSddsn0tk7RcW0nUMsnx1VTwc0xMI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=XvNBShjhra1+kcpeLlvTlRtR0YJdOcrfxFeF3RhUpkjYPk44+R/koK9SS0E6U5FITf/RmG7uibSg76QARZtTCCpMG20K1v8VDPRbzX3JofRhEFowaoL87uLabceDxKSJiM9s3LrzhJm4lTNHyz9frJAxvfSRmkF/WPk37zb05LqYNwjRM0i8Czoag067fs50T/d1F8ojCm0AT53W7lV1DmZsjEX1tCFgUt7t5vbTNMtkPZ3RVwNk2WhLsz+LKfAgSevOSrGMqEbX8Xa7q7GMD2arh3HPIR6a5/zA6NlnnqvwajdUzgr7lsIWDL3xriR8zJiCoIPmW+7UcINgMtT9og== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 53549.2135.bm@omp1019.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: cX8nyNAVM1kXXY_8EY6L56alC6.k._8qqSkvLfFvU7ZQREBNp7KtNdeYQluer8a H0YH4jfMUfzsXJu8Hp_EklUJSNP27yMxYtt9LxDvsPIDCHhr6271p_zL0dbT3OguIRzU5pKB0H.U 8ub0V2N7OBrths2nU0pVxRuddU39wwxF1Pt2tnMNWqYagj3uKF3VbYlkpKN46thPpB_yDkTg5cyW lWOPZYmzjK4FWuA7PR4nFTRTrJTc4xuzZxi_jIWW3mizjvanXEAnJGavR2iY7w7N4IuLxVHRLP.R ez60lm4M9SYuc7_t0TF5L5R0WQBa9h3IvtoYXpy_O56cFaCfonC1mniY6cKy3bXOMBHLlZ8074o4 BHoWToVvmuFtcHz4sajAa4xImTssC0ciHT0tF.itzdPfehKyvmpqYa0tLQCMng7lYLQTTvva8k5P iNtPJD0MSJHCAwtRoDx8uxKUFtUHqQiZoJUrYnv9PS2NYIifwBSlYQjKKun0Co1dYVshZQSVOxRI gRXjRQVWFNZz2JbZkhQ-- Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:24:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <27173183.24544575.1449163449742.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Software looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24544574_1048419978.1449163449736" Resent-Message-ID: <_k-8gB.A.XHF.8qHYWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:24:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24544574_1048419978.1449163449736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello,=C2=A0 I want to jump in because I have been using a Boss RC 505, which I love, bu= t=C2=A0also=C2=A0considering using a software looper in Live for all the ob= vious=C2=A0reasons. What is the most stable, powerful software for looping = which can be embeded in Live. I have tested Mobius it seems very powerful a= nd hopefully reliable... My main concern is how difficult it may be to harn= ess all that power. I am experienced at working with high tech and software= but not in the mood for headaches related to poor documentation and old fe= atures. The Live Looper for example, looks simple enough turns out to be qu= ite fidgety and obscure...=20 Le Jeudi 3 d=C3=A9cembre 2015 16h35, Josh Elliott a =C3=A9crit : =20 Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. Greetings from Wisconsin. So I believe th= at would take care of series looping (having an a,b or c part) as long as I= can switch between parts with a pedal. yes the latency I'm having is only = with monitor set to "in" the only reason I'm doing that is because YouTube = tutorials are telling me I have to do that to use plug in effects live on a= channel. Other wise with monitoring off I don't have latency. Is there a w= ay to have start and stop clip mapped to one button. Right now push button = starts recording then second push stops recording and plays loop(perfect!) = would like one more press to stop or resume the loop playing (like a loop p= edal)On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: Hi Josh, On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott wrote= : > I do not think series looping is possible in software? What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the playing loop, on the same track/channel. > Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe it= 's > because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc. I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or "direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that audio (on next loop return). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen ------=_Part_24544574_1048419978.1449163449736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello, 

I want to jump in because I have been using a Boss RC 505, which I love, = but also considering using a software looper in Live for all the = obvious reasons. What is the most stable, powerful software for= looping which can be embeded in Live. I have tested Mobius it seems very p= owerful and hopefully reliable... My main concern is how difficult it may b= e to harness all that power. I am experienced at working with high tech and= software but not in the mood for headaches related to poor documentation a= nd old features. The Live Looper for example, looks simple enough turns out= to be quite fidgety and obscure...

=

Le Jeudi 3 d= =C3=A9cembre 2015 16h35, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> a =C3= =A9crit :


Hello Per! Thanks for the reply. G= reetings from Wisconsin.
So I believe that would take care of series looping (havi= ng an a,b or c part) as long as I can switch between parts with a pedal.
yes the latency I'm having is only with monitor set to "in= " the only reason I'm doing that is because YouTube tutorials are telling m= e I have to do that to use plug in effects live on a channel. Other wise wi= th monitoring off I don't have latency.
Is there a way to have start and stop clip mapped to one b= utton. Right now push button starts recording then second push stops record= ing and plays loop(perfect!) would like one more press to stop or resume th= e loop playing (like a loop pedal)
On Dec 3, 2015 9:24 AM, "Per Boysen" &l= t;perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Hi Josh,

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Josh Elliott <
jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote: > I do not think series looping is possible in software?

What do you mean by "series looping"? Stacking a series of loops for
alternate triggering over a channel? If so, that's how Live works with
recorded audio clips. Triggering a new loop on a channel silences the
playing loop, on the same track/channel.

> Also...I'm experiencing latency in certain circumstances but I believe= it's
> because I'm currently using an old duo core home pc.

I'm afraid you're wrong there. Latency comes from the time it takes to
digitise the audio and process it in the software. The trick with
software based loopers is to NOT monitor your input audio through the
software! Most audio interfaces have this "direct monitoring" or
"direct ASIO" function that simply splits the signal in two; one part
goes into the software to get processed and one part goes directly to
the amp/PA/speakers. With looping you should never have any latency
because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty
of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that
audio (on next loop return).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen



<= /div> ------=_Part_24544574_1048419978.1449163449736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 22:47:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F9DC1015C4; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DBBwCRxWBWPBuMT08NURkBAQIPAQECiyq3QAqBFIJeXoJSAoIaAQEBAQEBBwEBAQFBgQABAQMJBINiAQEBAyMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgExFBMIAQG4W3GRFwEBAQcCASCBAYpQhSeCUIFEBZZhqimEZ4JPgQWDDQEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2DBBwCRxWBWPBuMT08NURkBAQIPAQECiyq3QAqBFIJeXoJSAoIaAQEBAQEBBwEBAQFBgQABAQMJBINiAQEBAyMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgExFBMIAQG4W3GRFwEBAQcCASCBAYpQhSeCUIFEBZZhqimEZ4JPgQWDDQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,378,1444690800"; d="scan'208";a="618278678" Message-ID: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 22:47:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:47:12 +0000 (UTC) On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote: > With looping you should never have any latency > because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty > of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that > audio (on next loop return). but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the latency. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 3 23:00:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6E61015C7; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nwolk0+nSwBecGrKMyVVeIfwpmi08GrX2ayFqMD966A=; b=XT/Z5EDCBRFQps1up1XqRA879aEktxHWfRPoRovj78s9Jfzi/pYrnG5m2zwQrC/8pQ jMVxc4CCS9gOMVFlr/455/5jYK4vs/3NLmNh2eozVFfzafvbMP8qbhRx6D3rlxk0H7z3 0Q+T72loyfiBYWkBxuhIpPmhj06QHp7PNAoCQax3MesdKuMV2z9OxzuUz+DyQ6wr0BSN XcKhPWIa3C+pXjVNkVNSeKR/yyVsxAP8VXfjS5kQ/CpN0Iaq5xW73zFcn0csk0qjsS7a BkpmX3Q+y8RRbISAoQj27S//ui2k8D2ltqNcI5mBx/q7sgjgJF/JCJYeVFv0LGpLve6A 672w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.10 with SMTP id qm10mr5920582lbb.139.1449183656127; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:00:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011615a009b25c0526065de2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:00:57 +0000 (UTC) --089e011615a009b25c0526065de2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync with Ableton audio and midi clips. So this begs the question... Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it matter? On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" wrote: > > On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote: > >> With looping you should never have any latency >> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty >> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that >> audio (on next loop return). >> > but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. > > Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the > latency. > > --089e011615a009b25c0526065de2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops= must sync with Ableton audio and midi clips.

So this begs the question...

Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? = Does it matter?

On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" = <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>= ; wrote:

On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote:
With looping you should never have any latency
because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty
of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that
audio (on next loop return).
but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback.

Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the latency= .

--089e011615a009b25c0526065de2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 00:19:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D009C1015BE; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1rD1Rm8/rgruANmLm9rR8DnK9YBsRB9k5ytImBULI8I=; b=ePH+hKAYDeRpNIy12UTToCHKrcB2AQ9ipFHPE6IY254iqXcOVkmlkbORNTejm5kCPp sz+cD4Q9xxreicRgnmhL/VYOyC8s2gHSPnTMc3PUpdcDTNJ9bf4wGSRNqEDtxYnsWfDi ypLNcF52+dONtIESh6PNU4S25/UlVaIZWhFIThowNhGh6m7IN2zAzoSAWTA0RDlEtLUg Trlwt23i6aR3xAJ9KCmM9q75a2Gu//E5eF+4noPX9Db3wXgSHaYppHPeW0a/qmY7Vq4u R6DGpA9NAOgwurJfbyVuRLSfpD/ZwQo77LeyJDaMfSgYLqdcKiUytg/dJO2GALIPE0kO k2mg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.141.201 with SMTP id rq9mr6699618lbb.4.1449188341740; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:19:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 01:19:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:19:02 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 11:47 PM, andy butler wrote: > > Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the latency. Yes, that is true - but the point, in my post, is that the loop's playback is compensated for latency; so in the music you will never hear latency. The software has all the time of one loop round to calculate it. However... As for "manual riggering pf loops and speed stuff" I'd say it is like playing an instrument, and all instruments are affected by more or less latency. If you for example bow a slowly fading in cello note your natural music instinct makes you start bowing a little earlier than the tone is supposed to reach the ear of the listener. Any musician that has played in electric bands on big stages has learned to the latency coming from stage monitors being spread out over a big area. Same goes for musicians in the symphony orchestras; the french horn guys sometimes need to play a lot earlier when using that cool haunted tone of directing the horn backward to let the sound appear as a reflection from the rear concert hall wall. People that tend to experience an issue with those short latency values are either acoustic guitar players or flutists that have never played amplified (natural instrument sound source always at the same close-up distance to one's ears) or they are bedroom studio wizards used to hearing everything in headphones. To me a great deal of the charm in a looper like Mobius is to use it super quantized on almost any processing, even the MIDI commands from my pedals triggering looper actions. I like a resolution around a 32d note (for a normal 60 to 150 bpm tempo). Even for speed shifting loops into melodies and chords I think such a short quantization of manual commands sound better than totally free-wheeling. But this if of course when running several parallel loops; you have a sound of a precision machine and to me even a 32 second duration "wrong" between glitch-swarms sound way better then "something in between correct and sloppy timing". I can certainly hear how parallel loops in Mobus, running simultaneously on different tracks, now and then "correct themselves" (adjusting for tempo drifting) but I don't think that sounds bad. You can adjust the drift adjustment settings by ear and taste. Speaking about all this, most of my experience with loopers is from running them un-synced; i.e. as the tempo master and we all know that track sync and similar stuff suffers a lot in a slave syncing device. You hear that in most gear; it sounds musical when running on its own but as soon as you tempo slave sync it to some other (master) device something in the music dies. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 12:10:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD79C1015D6; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2AIAgBNgWFWPGCPT08NURkBAQIQAQIChAdChl+4YYJegzACgWUQAQEBAQEBAQYBAQEBQYRzAQEBAQIBI1UGCwsYCRYIAwICCQMCAQIBMQMDAQ0TBgIBAYgjrzpxkGEBAQEBBgEBAQEBAR2LUYd3gUQFkneDao8XlyCDcjiCPB2BVnKFbwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2AIAgBNgWFWPGCPT08NURkBAQIQAQIChAdChl+4YYJegzACgWUQAQEBAQEBAQYBAQEBQYRzAQEBAQIBI1UGCwsYCRYIAwICCQMCAQIBMQMDAQ0TBgIBAYgjrzpxkGEBAQEBBgEBAQEBAR2LUYd3gUQFkneDao8XlyCDcjiCPB2BVnKFbwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,380,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="65615722" Message-ID: <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:10:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010002070004090402030706" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:10:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010002070004090402030706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/12/2015 23:00, Josh Elliott wrote: > > and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync with Ableton audio and midi clips. > > So this begs the question... > > Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it matter? > bit of a minefield. It's *possible* for the audio to still sync, Mobius & Echoloop have the compensation. It's just you'd miss a bit of audio from the beginning of a retriggered loop, unless that re-trigger was cued beforehand. Don't know how well Ableton copes, I did an analysis of the timing of one of Imogen Heap's performances and had to conclude that Ableton's timing wasn't great, but then that's micro-analysing in a DAW rather than just listening. If you want to use pre-recorded elements, ( and have the opportunity to fake it for that mainstream live TV appearance, prob. not such a bad idea ;-) then Ableton's the way to go. If your latency IN/OUT is low enough, then it's an option to switch off the latency compensation in the looper. If you're monitoring the signal with latency for your live playing then your brain will do the compensation. (that actual latency on conscious awareness is something like 500mS, so an extra 50mS ain't too hard) Be aware that people will quote much lower latency figures than you'll ever get from actual measurements. :-) and be aware Per likes the "off" timings, incorporating them rather than avoiding them....and has made some fantastic music on the way Andy > On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" > wrote: > > > On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote: > > With looping you should never have any latency > because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty > of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that > audio (on next loop return). > > but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. > > Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the latency. > --------------010002070004090402030706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 03/12/2015 23:00, Josh Elliott wrote:

and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync with Ableton audio and midi clips.

So this begs the question...

Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it matter?


bit of a minefield.

It's *possible* for the audio to still sync, Mobius & Echoloop have the compensation.
It's just you'd miss a bit of audio from the beginning of a retriggered loop, unless
that re-trigger was cued beforehand.

Don't know how well Ableton copes, I did an analysis of the timing of one of Imogen Heap's
performances and had to conclude that Ableton's timing wasn't great, but then that's
micro-analysing in a DAW rather than just listening.

If you want to use pre-recorded elements, ( and have the opportunity to fake it
for that mainstream live TV appearance, prob. not such a bad idea ;-)   then Ableton's the way to go.

If your latency IN/OUT is low enough, then it's an option to switch off the latency compensation
in the looper. If you're monitoring the signal with latency for your live playing then your brain
will do the compensation.
(that actual latency on conscious awareness is something like 500mS, so an extra 50mS ain't too hard)


Be aware that people will quote much lower latency figures than you'll ever get from actual measurements.

:-) and be aware Per likes the "off" timings, incorporating them rather than avoiding them....and has made some fantastic music on the way

Andy








On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote:
With looping you should never have any latency
because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty
of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that
audio (on next loop return).
but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback.

Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the latency.


--------------010002070004090402030706-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 13:06:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4341015DB; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=W07NAbk1M0qUdixtbz5ar87C2vt6jeI58dQ0HgY1x5o=; b=QiQgoKH3pRlMYhxXRrkpZCuPQxVfVlkkOrGu2b/pKWHQ2++i3Z9W/NoCvSaA/Hne06 UNmMo5YpRaRgX/CG01t5axEiWPstMK4pNG1pgLvOu2KEfTQRC0C5U37Gy9+DyQhE6TOm yRYXOkkWZ0HKF1Y0JBBXkmJLPwzhL7XJrTQU3v+Da2ofiVPfgoG0XiWeBi76MtGiSgjK 9ApjIF56aZ65SiDIhsMEIj3v9yjUJI1k9KZ8Isl5gi66A74JxFZ1dteq+vfrd78E4bc+ q+8MIjXSXKi3Qqxsin1po0q6HGOgC5NRbfMEA1iww9pA4TNC/2IHNMF4kWwtCQpYMxXn sYYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.23.159 with SMTP id 31mr6881300lfx.44.1449234387645; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:06:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:06:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3LlGQB.A.4GC.U_YYWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Just one last note that I realised hasn't been stated yet in thread: the most important factor in avoiding "bad sync between loops" is to use as few loops as possible. The timing-wise rock solid approach is to only create one loop and layer all musical parts into this loop. That way no part can drift against any other part. The more musical parts you distribute over multiple parallel loops the more sync and timing issues you will get. No software or hardware can fix that, sooner or later two - or more - loops will drift apart, this is just the nature of the universe. I'm not posting about what OS to run in a laptop because I have used both Windows and Mac OS without finding any better than the other. I do lack experience with Linux, so I can't tell about that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:10 PM, andy butler wrote: > > On 03/12/2015 23:00, Josh Elliott wrote: > > and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync with > Ableton audio and midi clips. > > So this begs the question... > > Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it matter? > > > bit of a minefield. > > It's *possible* for the audio to still sync, Mobius & Echoloop have the > compensation. > It's just you'd miss a bit of audio from the beginning of a retriggered > loop, unless > that re-trigger was cued beforehand. > > Don't know how well Ableton copes, I did an analysis of the timing of one of > Imogen Heap's > performances and had to conclude that Ableton's timing wasn't great, but > then that's > micro-analysing in a DAW rather than just listening. > > If you want to use pre-recorded elements, ( and have the opportunity to fake > it > for that mainstream live TV appearance, prob. not such a bad idea ;-) then > Ableton's the way to go. > > If your latency IN/OUT is low enough, then it's an option to switch off the > latency compensation > in the looper. If you're monitoring the signal with latency for your live > playing then your brain > will do the compensation. > (that actual latency on conscious awareness is something like 500mS, so an > extra 50mS ain't too hard) > > > Be aware that people will quote much lower latency figures than you'll ever > get from actual measurements. > > :-) and be aware Per likes the "off" timings, incorporating them rather than > avoiding them....and has made some fantastic music on the way > > Andy > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" wrote: >> >> >> On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> With looping you should never have any latency >>> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty >>> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that >>> audio (on next loop return). >> >> but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. >> >> Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the >> latency. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 18:35:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDFCF133134; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 18:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: JAMES BUSH Jr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Drum Loops Used In Studio Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:35:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1449254131; bh=4K7UDVQx1pNF0Lo2MUxsv5WzeT09LPAydn08aK8pyNo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=G372idyJKGzCPQfIO1RjyQBcxgSNdBnx/kZDu+o1MbkLMxSiP4eBJljAt9uyIolcQ fUJvblaZ9nTBf1uSITIeLN8SlGEaGX+yzNbe96D9GeZYbEQF/fRo7KoyG1zGuPMJ9p m2oF0xKiulb83d19gPkH7XIAbD8FzbzMPmVQUVrs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adece5661dcf36463 X-AOL-IP: 65.28.173.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 18:35:33 +0000 (UTC) I=E2=80=99m thankful to find your forum=E2=80=A6 I wondered if someone = could help me? I recently had the opportunity to sit in a recording = session in Nashville. There was a great drummer who use these loops to = play on top of during the recording of each song. What he did was go to his laptop, pull up these very quiet, rhythmic = loops, some were like just percussion sounds, he would set the tempo and = then load them into the DAW, then go into the drum booth, and play along = with them. They provided a great rhythm on which to build on. I=E2=80=99ve looked all over the internet trying to find what these = loops were=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99d like to purchase them to use in my = songwriting. Q: does anyone have an idea of what these =E2=80=9Cpractice loops for = lack of better term=E2=80=9D were and where I could get them? I=E2=80=99m= so sorry I don=E2=80=99t even know what you would call them, which is = why my search is so hard! I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right = direction! Thanks James=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 19:03:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B8F133131; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LQgIdnWVhbHWIejJSTOhhdY5DkI3Uthpisi2pQR75f4=; b=Sy9PSxbNiI6BYSy3Ume7IycrEyFU2J6GyjksxVllJ3V3CiYAiJZVZpNV5DanCK6wz1 t3BujloLCjLbVYnrfbUj/Am9NkBSp2Ls9dXZ3o1Rmupq3bSf9huGSCqrwMeYmkZyvzGE 9KiQ+9mPQyr1nbmYGbNN3k6e9XQQDd9x17yUFU0Nz+EbkGhLITOlmyZ0JV5fcG2SViIO vL6w6z52oWpkcf7uVDoEhxDotYwY7T/U/5PXnNdE/Xottu2lbqSi6JAYpL5AYyGbRPln Gn1Aj/191F0W0MahvrWIW558pHy+jNHfIRYXoQ1tQ0UKm6U6YrleVCMePZM1I7ZqihgA SUGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.8.147 with SMTP id 141mr11099626vki.33.1449255790283; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144f13091976a0526172835 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) --001a1144f13091976a0526172835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr wrote: > I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right > direction! There are so many options here... some (software) ideas: https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/ https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/ http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/studio-drummer/ http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/orchestral-cinematic/west-africa/ http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/cuba/ The logic pro drummer might be worth a look as well Sylvain --001a1144f13091976a0526172835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr <jbjafb@aol.com> = wrote:
I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to= point me in the right direction!

There are so many o= ptions here... some (software) ideas:

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The logi= c pro drummer might be worth a look as well

Sylvain
--001a1144f13091976a0526172835-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 19:17:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D352133135; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=eoeak3J5saaSob0Vw/ogcj0gNr8j56+GWrkRLnRTqYU=; b=P2AWqYZ8YWzl/WArt7itAYYgCctL9EjPmk6rcRkvJ+HbDx0dLuHvKJjXVpfnp7i2i0 x4qWylfPpth+MOBHjOu7UlPmyIwjveecYCuxyXIg7YkiNLYU0cWpcoW0cPxtJzLyt5mg 1xnVWdkQSOot6suA2o0RCJJY8MutAfTIw5ZSzOkhDiyJq/hcCsKsQmvi0zHbRytSX8yb qLRcD2AYdiGdAb1jh0YiAmMqkuQB7iWqquCuYy797E47ucT0KZxDYsfwE4bklr3xolxc ADamdHfbQyo/BEwYCqNmCncvyrr2LxwsXYE4tbXs+EWF6G/u9QN0zT66HBBdXEJ5tzGO DB9A== X-Received: by 10.28.35.66 with SMTP id j63mr7146782wmj.10.1449256619933; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A2B59E6D-691E-4198-BA8F-E839E4A2650E" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:16:57 +0000 References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:17:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_A2B59E6D-691E-4198-BA8F-E839E4A2650E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not thousands of loops as part = of the package > On 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr > wrote: > I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right = direction! >=20 > There are so many options here... some (software) ideas: >=20 > https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/ = > https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/ = > = http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/studio-drumme= r/ = > = http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/orchestral-cinemati= c/west-africa/ = > http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/cuba/ = >=20 > The logic pro drummer might be worth a look as well >=20 > Sylvain --Apple-Mail=_A2B59E6D-691E-4198-BA8F-E839E4A2650E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not = thousands of loops as part of the package

On = 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr = <jbjafb@aol.com> wrote:
I appreciate whatever suggestions I could = get to point me in the right direction!

There are so many options here... some (software) = ideas:


The logic pro drummer might = be worth a look as well

Sylvain

= --Apple-Mail=_A2B59E6D-691E-4198-BA8F-E839E4A2650E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 20:18:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC604133133; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 20:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cXKHgcoScPtxjk5k45Kt9gYnPUXUpT4nGsnTXtITQvM=; b=oi5BPGvSI9t1p7z+u+30ZuJFLMzbeE1s7Gqp6j908ZOa5WTh6uboSHe6DMvofmDvZQ C5wYmW2iXdRVu3HQDNG2gUFB35E5l7w0KO6PS96SvebXp52EzA8zGtGTqmZPw2TReq4q ExQv8XwWGR8brjbo+nfuYVK8R8BRoUk9zhPcZteknBBhDiicY8+KsmX+QffZbpxws7sT ZDWvynRk1fZL+KvZ9LmyhdpEQuGdhJqBxpB0qoZvMoK8keNyKH0jADrE9VIMXZ0Y5wCg Lcppla+n+DgO99LwnxJYcmeEckAtwXBNokLYeMIKIvP0qNC47kU4CPg6dlz62R/Dw+hh pvfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.129.32 with SMTP id c32mr16492505iod.12.1449260287415; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:18:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ec9289e5ba1052618348f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 20:18:08 +0000 (UTC) --001a113ec9289e5ba1052618348f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Look at EZDrummer. https://www.toontrack.com/product/*ezdrummer*-2/ On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not thousands of loops as part of > the package > > On 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr wrote: > >> I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right >> direction! > > > There are so many options here... some (software) ideas: > > https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/ > https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/ > > http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/studio-drummer/ > > http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/orchestral-cinematic/west-africa/ > http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/cuba/ > > The logic pro drummer might be worth a look as well > > Sylvain > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --001a113ec9289e5ba1052618348f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Look at EZDrummer. =C2=A0

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:16 PM,= Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> w= rote:
and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not thousands of loops as par= t of the package

On 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr <jbjaf= b@aol.com> wrote:
I appreciate whatever = suggestions I could get to point me in the right direction!

There are so many options here... some (software) ideas:


=
The logic pro drummer might be worth a loo= k as well

Sylvain




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From: Greg Wegmann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2CEB02AF-2C72-4694-A83F-8C44DBD583AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio Message-Id: <28A4B557-21F2-43DC-B77B-1E44F00D0CEA@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 16:11:39 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13B143) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2CEB02AF-2C72-4694-A83F-8C44DBD583AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too have and like the Beatbuddy pedal Wegs phone=20 > On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, paulrichard_rocks wrote: >=20 > Not exactly on topic but I obtained a Beatbuddy pedal recently and am usin= g it with a Boss RC300 via MIDI. Works pretty good, sounds great, live perfo= rmance dimension per fills and secondary pattern.=20 >=20 > Regards, Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tony K > Date: 12/04/2015 3:18 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: loopers-delight > Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio >=20 > Look at EZDrummer. =20 > https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/ >=20 >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: >> and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not thousands of loops as part of= the package >>=20 >>> On 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras wr= ote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAMES BUSH Jr wrote: >>>> I appreciate whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right d= irection! >>>=20 >>> There are so many options here... some (software) ideas: >>>=20 >>> https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/ >>> https://www.toontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/ >>> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/studio-drum= mer/ >>> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/orchestral-cinema= tic/west-africa/ >>> http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/cuba/ >>>=20 >>> The logic pro drummer might be worth a look as well >>>=20 >>> Sylvain >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 > Tony --Apple-Mail-2CEB02AF-2C72-4694-A83F-8C44DBD583AD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too have and like the Beatbuddy peda= l

Wegs phone 

On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, paulrich= ard_rocks <paulrichard_roc= ks@yahoo.com> wrote:

No= t exactly on topic but I obtained a Beatbuddy pedal recently and am using it= with a Boss RC300 via MIDI. Works pretty good, sounds great, live performan= ce dimension per fills and secondary pattern. 

Regards, Paul



Sent from my T= -Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------
From:= Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com>=
Date: 12/04/2015 3:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: loopers-de= light <Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In S= tudio

Look at EZDrummer.  <= div>https://www.to= ontrack.com/product/ezdrummer-2/

On Fri= , Dec 4, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlema= il.com> wrote:
and logic audio comes with hundreds, if not thous= ands of loops as part of the package

On 4 Dec 2015, at 19:03, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombo= ne@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, JAM= ES BUSH Jr <jbjafb@aol.com> wrote:
I appreciate= whatever suggestions I could get to point me in the right direction!

There are so many options here... some (software) ideas:

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/k= omplete/drums/studio-drummer/

=
The logic pro drummer might be worth a look as we= ll

Sylv= ain




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Tony
= --Apple-Mail-2CEB02AF-2C72-4694-A83F-8C44DBD583AD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 4 21:20:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42FF4133138; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=teddyjam-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=zMnaHC+73nE7PtxKVrY5quHCBjHzRaQaASj/hvbz6U4=; b=rZLoqsFnRmpjqgmnGeDMVYrME2sajHs9JEd5oSTPf6IvJAnHrGiB0rglxChcUyk8MZ Er8sI0+YLo22PVLfL9ApEmR9HvTiWiaD8hBCfWDdT3ecq09jl3uCU9rDW0et5CC7uk2X 03tSqcg13Q5g4JM71krs6absWDmJd6ye5+nWs21CcYbs0mnbjp3hFWd/lbeH9KWMEto4 BhtRfIIgxsiKezhQrnwIgR7mC0CeEeCBD63HLlekxrLdvXn7kS53hCHUzpsVHrXMksxt qHGaJGuPa608+lqYF3++XZC0ebA35qKS1LKSpB5iXyWy/AArnLNaU3uAh1nE1GLLrO/R igVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:message-id:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; bh=zMnaHC+73nE7PtxKVrY5quHCBjHzRaQaASj/hvbz6U4=; b=aouwIxVj6aWHIzpZzk5RMaEcgezXLD2BlqDgR4dXFQlryYYf8HTJBA6vdHvXTtbIuJ I6nqNju35XF7yFBCkWzf8X52MhOkL4OT7BnHiNg++pa0+8Zs2FAOUpyInovXed993jNn W/qhRMVgA/qFjLkb0KMvYl7clHUBMw7/CXPmeMi2XwQn+QJ0ssk7lqWNvXx1dnZuJqg8 TEifeUn4jQYI1dpmDPBx4bqAQx87d4XbolTPxYu6dsklWHGnVj93fmmW3rbbBoWmZEcW 3B64Ukr9YdFddNa9WPDkBSxSHcJiQmoGU74aw5u6V9GajiQO8utqdEOmoUfaq+czljVd skuA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn3JayrWYFXKQ8JvMjWawohja2PbQKaDatnu6blRMj9cqIOTw7olPZsIYWcp2jQ3tM+QMYB X-Received: by 10.55.212.70 with SMTP id l67mr21607226qki.7.1449264035501; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) From: Teddyjam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F4AF3605-64D6-4684-8CDB-632AE8A9CBE5" Message-Id: <696C6200-FD01-409C-8788-E48B21075530@teddyjam.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio: Beat Buddy Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 16:20:32 -0500 References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_F4AF3605-64D6-4684-8CDB-632AE8A9CBE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii are you sending midi clock TO the RC300 from the beat buddy or the other = way around? Teddy=20 On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, paulrichard_rocks = wrote: > Not exactly on topic but I obtained a Beatbuddy pedal recently and am = using it with a Boss RC300 via MIDI. Works pretty good, sounds great, = live performance dimension per fills and secondary pattern.=20 >=20 > Regards, Paul --Apple-Mail=_F4AF3605-64D6-4684-8CDB-632AE8A9CBE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii are you sending midi clock TO the RC300 from the beat buddy or the other way around?

Teddy 

On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, paulrichard_rocks <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not exactly on topic but I obtained a Beatbuddy pedal recently and am using it with a Boss RC300 via MIDI. Works pretty good, sounds great, live performance dimension per fills and secondary pattern. 

Regards, Paul

--Apple-Mail=_F4AF3605-64D6-4684-8CDB-632AE8A9CBE5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 5 03:37:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71FB0101600; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ctSyGuIWLfoDGHnx1n/VeRQM4Fe9WdRhDMsgoIVpmsc=; b=E0clkIH1Yoyo+4dXJ9++E9mXT9dCA0RkHpOKYgV62ItXah4pmCZwgRkdZ5vLsPxAxY CFenA4NewY81sufoTVZjV2NJEAfTmM8PXY49hgMO97Ma9hL+LJN7DA9Y/i6xZ2HQiP3B sEzKYt+T6BRIcxRjL3WaP1jJR50GjnA9cs9xVRct+5VIOeO05g6fFj8VJrt00dhH5N1N 9gbMGM72Y1wQgXQqNMpCz4Ms9MwaC8f7k8lSt99hfPcBY0YZlTEj6H4WI1H4as1FH/ys UvjU1pJoeeiz1KGrobkFvqpchmdJ/2OG66mHEg7vuicf/Yh0TEnDXjfdUIT9t9GDORfG 8lyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.139.230 with SMTP id rb6mr9325544lbb.138.1449286640559; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:37:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:37:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2b99e636fe005261e57cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:37:22 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c2b99e636fe005261e57cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Great points guys. Imogen Heap is great. I like her melding of living looping with electronic production. Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? It looks like for me Mobius is out as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. Back to the drawing board. On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Just one last note that I realised hasn't been stated yet in thread: > the most important factor in avoiding "bad sync between loops" is to > use as few loops as possible. The timing-wise rock solid approach is > to only create one loop and layer all musical parts into this loop. > That way no part can drift against any other part. The more musical > parts you distribute over multiple parallel loops the more sync and > timing issues you will get. No software or hardware can fix that, > sooner or later two - or more - loops will drift apart, this is just > the nature of the universe. > > I'm not posting about what OS to run in a laptop because I have used > both Windows and Mac OS without finding any better than the other. I > do lack experience with Linux, so I can't tell about that. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:10 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > > > On 03/12/2015 23:00, Josh Elliott wrote: > > > > and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync > with > > Ableton audio and midi clips. > > > > So this begs the question... > > > > Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it > matter? > > > > > > bit of a minefield. > > > > It's *possible* for the audio to still sync, Mobius & Echoloop have the > > compensation. > > It's just you'd miss a bit of audio from the beginning of a retriggered > > loop, unless > > that re-trigger was cued beforehand. > > > > Don't know how well Ableton copes, I did an analysis of the timing of > one of > > Imogen Heap's > > performances and had to conclude that Ableton's timing wasn't great, but > > then that's > > micro-analysing in a DAW rather than just listening. > > > > If you want to use pre-recorded elements, ( and have the opportunity to > fake > > it > > for that mainstream live TV appearance, prob. not such a bad idea ;-) > then > > Ableton's the way to go. > > > > If your latency IN/OUT is low enough, then it's an option to switch off > the > > latency compensation > > in the looper. If you're monitoring the signal with latency for your live > > playing then your brain > > will do the compensation. > > (that actual latency on conscious awareness is something like 500mS, so > an > > extra 50mS ain't too hard) > > > > > > Be aware that people will quote much lower latency figures than you'll > ever > > get from actual measurements. > > > > :-) and be aware Per likes the "off" timings, incorporating them rather > than > > avoiding them....and has made some fantastic music on the way > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> > >>> With looping you should never have any latency > >>> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has plenty > >>> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play back that > >>> audio (on next loop return). > >> > >> but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. > >> > >> Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers the > >> latency. > >> > > > > -- Josh Elliott --001a11c2b99e636fe005261e57cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great points guys. Imogen Heap is great. I like her meldin= g of living looping with electronic production. Does she use Mobius in Live= or just Live? It looks like for me Mobius is out as I have the 64 bit vers= ion of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. Back to the drawing board.
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
On Fri, Dec 4, 201= 5 at 7:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just one last note that I realised hasn't= been stated yet in thread:
the most important factor in avoiding "bad sync between loops" is= to
use as few loops as possible. The timing-wise rock solid approach is
to only create one loop and layer all musical parts into this loop.
That way no part can drift against any other part. The more musical
parts you distribute over multiple parallel loops the more sync and
timing issues you will get. No software or hardware can fix that,
sooner or later two - or more - loops will drift apart, this is just
the nature of the universe.

I'm not posting about what OS to run in a laptop because I have used both Windows and Mac OS without finding any better than the other. I
do lack experience with Linux, so I can't tell about that.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:10 = PM, andy butler <akbutler@tisc= ali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 03/12/2015 23:00, Josh Elliott wrote:
>
> and this is a big deal in my case since my live guitar loops must sync= with
> Ableton audio and midi clips.
>
> So this begs the question...
>
> Laptop specs. What should they be.? And Windows or MacBook? Does it ma= tter?
>
>
> bit of a minefield.
>
> It's *possible* for the audio to still sync, Mobius & Echoloop= have the
> compensation.
> It's just you'd miss a bit of audio from the beginning of a re= triggered
> loop, unless
> that re-trigger was cued beforehand.
>
> Don't know how well Ableton copes, I did an analysis of the timing= of one of
> Imogen Heap's
> performances and had to conclude that Ableton's timing wasn't = great, but
> then that's
> micro-analysing in a DAW rather than just listening.
>
> If you want to use pre-recorded elements, ( and have the opportunity t= o fake
> it
> for that mainstream live TV appearance, prob. not such a bad idea ;-)= =C2=A0 =C2=A0then
> Ableton's the way to go.
>
> If your latency IN/OUT is low enough, then it's an option to switc= h off the
> latency compensation
> in the looper. If you're monitoring the signal with latency for yo= ur live
> playing then your brain
> will do the compensation.
> (that actual latency on conscious awareness is something like 500mS, s= o an
> extra 50mS ain't too hard)
>
>
> Be aware that people will quote much lower latency figures than you= 9;ll ever
> get from actual measurements.
>
> :-) and be aware Per likes the "off" timings, incorporating = them rather than
> avoiding them....and has made some fantastic music on the way
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2015 4:47 PM, "andy butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 03/12/2015 15:24, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>> With looping you should never have any latency
>>> because when audio gets recorded into a loop the software has = plenty
>>> of time to compensate for latency until it is time to play bac= k that
>>> audio (on next loop return).
>>
>> but let's not forget that's only aligning the playback. >>
>> Anything like triggering loops, or changing speed still suffers th= e
>> latency.
>>
>




--
=
Josh Elliott
--001a11c2b99e636fe005261e57cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 5 10:23:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DE161015FF; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uWTfuWFDgiMbeYtTuB7WncZydh3NG+savCtblc+9rHM=; b=gEpyVDdFb0ciJNDX/HpZ1k0Sb+6bs5+TbAnENe/199bX2/XYsT9vOw2oi+UUxpkfJq SoPXBxEYKeKZ4NNMY2p04VlhcR+0u6YYvBJ6ZitaqPDCxX0s19K2Tc42xJUs6L6nmSbB 7f3l+q1S7kWqkruh5jgNLkL5M+RGzWd9iJBK2Xp8YG6v1qIPzdThxp1S9OyfNb9A3GrQ APy1IeTkD9p5AdQqxyhaLwc0jYhvhKei0PhGKEOVLfBeNVL1IowxzcOUfOsJpSaT4elJ u7dLjtZuk5BNoIlimaT46OGcnDpum+kdyf0G5g1jQKp5++h82ZjsL9gR/XV7VikcCnzJ geWg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.162.8 with SMTP id xw8mr9953096lbb.57.1449310987658; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:23:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:23:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7etdxD.A.DWH.MsrYWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:23:08 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >It looks like for me Mobius is out > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 5 13:44:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC174101605; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/vS4kgEw5RVr60PxzBB7O4qzNqlfEj4qsChF0/0Tvdw=; b=C2OVqjxhitbPJZOoKyL4AaQ/UsF5Pt+0bqju3O2//2GZP+KTYCEO6uoV5j9Eug6FdX j1zgoQoOD0WixhV0ejVCcke+5CHMy5ut0t8KqR4SmvmpvInbfXplTG1ozcys8KqV9zzu 88YI90RvJ/NvtCqh5fEm7UE+56adYAqQSiNPTobeLbS9WgjqLAm72pcV93kWXgel5arV CDBtfAPg9dw/1FhZ18bFWtVPjNd3bU3OgvnleJKN7JdpURkFASyo0R7+sMGow65A9Jg+ 9NhQThmtMpcN/fhn6j748h9AbN3nDSToHzObD70y1UimJaj3V/gPGfBqn29FKVT9pUx3 PSPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.182.8 with SMTP id ea8mr9865524lbc.114.1449323075376; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 05:44:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 07:44:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37320129c15052626d3d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:44:36 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c37320129c15052626d3d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop is making the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. Example: to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you have to monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the latency is like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm at a crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road I'll have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of this system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was reading that Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months to get it all working..(Mobius in Ableton) On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? > > She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show > preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an > Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one > loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch > between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. > > >It looks like for me Mobius is out > > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. > > There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit > hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ > > You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW > that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --001a11c37320129c15052626d3d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell = laptop is making the latency be a problem that is making this experience di= fficult. Example: to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrumen= t channel you have to monitor the input which causes you to hear the latenc= y. And the latency is like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the t= iming. So I'm at a crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue= down this road I'll have to invest in a better computer. The power and= possibilities of this system are endless but its definitely not plug and p= lay. I was reading that Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and = his tech months to get it all working..(Mobius in Ableton)

On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
On Sat, Dec 5, 201= 5 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live?

She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show
preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an
Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one
loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch
between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device.

>It looks like for me Mobius is out
> as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius.

There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit
hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/<= br>
You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW
that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

--001a11c37320129c15052626d3d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 5 14:14:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0235B101608; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=95kiZgovOXrQSZt44+tGRztX3cnnBLuo5SdQLkEAWYI=; b=OYTxeyfxIv5Kis7AJocFxIaa6cpugsIBlDWYkJG3nK148bUzhikkJcIDPu7+aIorUW LwhCTV3HhF7OT7SlOlaPeA2ZhfRyhdNiJriF1C3mlNrUQsyoMVjR08r9gnAnPZedKbkT JYNei4s1KiiyqFwBs9c3FwuSrljZPPx9HOZd22SCAr0BfCgayKNdtrl4SDBdfIO3ToSo dBfUdMtuRPnzLaRy9dzKM32SSTAhbi3abXsgfFAJTCksOUvrZNGBa3pFunpQ2ypKitbe xuQa91X61+H50mbul1nHSLPLLZOPLPZgVuwo8g4m1YGJtZK0S85ooBQO4JyxrUOkCAe5 euFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.91.11 with SMTP id p11mr10190321lfb.35.1449324894691; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 06:14:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 15:14:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:14:55 +0000 (UTC) A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok, because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops back again (given the software applies latency compensation). The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect devices --> software looper tempo master) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop is making > the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. Example: > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you have to > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the latency is > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm at a > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road I'll > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of this > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was reading that > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months to get it > all working..(Mobius in Ableton) > > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? >> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. >> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ >> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 00:19:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB39101601; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 00:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HsRCmS0/1NOl8MluNH5Q46IilkAcXDpfpbDeO2qe7Yc=; b=xhQSQUkhQtiayreHEa6mSSuxFrCC+vql/Vr0QcMxiOuwgu+s8vnCjWuDzMKj6t5gaz JASX/RzH/2Y75HI828EFWvaVkG/OwpbneivbXmnJ4lTyEdZDdXZdEBYHcGV+xUHp+eQI NneX7VqK757jEe+eV5/RUcL5seIn+CEAcZ6cdtpoIR95n/p6eKVSdojtJvWjzXY02KUN tfDXUYKg2aRMjRCcFAZjAEt6mrQEyfaJo/uHDhD8PKrkjOTa9iz9WzuL/YJn4hLRp1A5 px+peIZQG5+VphRPfuUCT8ViIcalgJf8++fB2tx72vJE+M2+X2b8Hs87O6fJW5mGZyCv /BqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.136.139 with SMTP id k133mr11044154lfd.4.1449361157976; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 16:19:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:19:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f3894f8f8d805262fb0f1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 00:19:19 +0000 (UTC) --001a113f3894f8f8d805262fb0f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I'm also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known for latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Ableton clips in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching launch mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything syncs and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dummy track. On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must > avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok, > because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops > back again (given the software applies latency compensation). > > The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use > direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run > them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper > (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect > devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect > devices --> software looper tempo master) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop is > making > > the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. > Example: > > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you have > to > > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the latency > is > > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm at a > > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road I'll > > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of this > > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was reading > that > > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months to > get it > > all working..(Mobius in Ableton) > > > > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott > >> wrote: > >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? > >> > >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show > >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an > >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one > >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch > >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. > >> > >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out > >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. > >> > >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit > >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ > >> > >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW > >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > > > > --001a113f3894f8f8d805262fb0f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on t= he road. I'm also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art= is known for latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've g= otten Ableton clips in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 b= y switching launch mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency= , everything syncs and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by se= tting up a dummy track.

On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
A better computer = won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must
avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok,
because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops
back again (given the software applies latency compensation).

The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use
direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run
them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper
(or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect
devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect
devices --> software looper tempo master)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop is = making
> the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. Exa= mple:
> to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you= have to
> monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the latenc= y is
> like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm= at a
> crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road I&= #39;ll
> have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of th= is
> system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was reading= that
> Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months to = get it
> all working..(Mobius in Ableton)
>
> On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live?
>>
>> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an
>> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays= one
>> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to sw= itch
>> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device.
>>
>> >It looks like for me Mobius is out
>> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mo= bius.
>>
>> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-li= ves/
>>
>> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW=
>> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>

--001a113f3894f8f8d805262fb0f1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 10:19:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 598031015FD; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kFHikvCfVJQA2QzxETjiX+BNLCjHgmkHQ/9Au3D7cMM=; b=m5er6DoUgEziVb1CrAtOuKRkBLUYBPCemYPWZMK6X7GC4VRdHMYJSBQiAXWt8oNAVJ 1ndQRy+EmM+llZ8j8jDRlKYBMZkhr9QAmCmXodMhIJ7gbWf1Hk/kq+vPiJWcflK59OLf 82FekWD0QirD49NruRB5vws1Ij88n7tUAPKInjxKDrn7tlkoHUwousfcwiFame3xAdxW /MJu95Jvh6G6AP4m0C+wfzZi95GvPemymicwhyKzKRzfObyZXm89tLWjP0ch2KNzgB4t m15i0/jmUa7xmR5+cXic1vndXbYQYShR78t4dc5JG5m9fmbDia2P+myAf6Nmnle+9ZAq qn8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.91.11 with SMTP id p11mr11566259lfb.35.1449397190305; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 02:19:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 11:19:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4kKXMB.A.6gE.IvAZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:19:52 +0000 (UTC) My dream audio interface is the new UAD Apollo Twin Thunderbolt. http://www.uaudio.com/interfaces/apollo-twin.html Works with an Apple laptop with Thunderbolt connection. I remember Bill Walker said he is very pleased with his Twin, but I can't remember if he has the USB or the Thunderbolt version. Anyway, the good thing with them is that the audio interface does some processing so that can be used to tweak a live sound with no latency (guitar tone? Reverb?). The UAD plugins are also great in studio recording and a few of them comes bundled with the Twin, but if you want more you need to buy them separately. If I didn't already have an excellent solution with my, somewhat bulky, AxeFxII I would be going for the slick and portable Twin. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I'm > also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known for > latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Ableton clips > in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching launch > mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything syncs > and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dummy > track. > > On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must >> avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok, >> because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops >> back again (given the software applies latency compensation). >> >> The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use >> direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run >> them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper >> (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect >> devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect >> devices --> software looper tempo master) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop is >> > making >> > the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. >> > Example: >> > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you have >> > to >> > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the latency >> > is >> > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm at a >> > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road I'll >> > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of this >> > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was reading >> > that >> > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months to >> > get it >> > all working..(Mobius in Ableton) >> > >> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott >> >> wrote: >> >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? >> >> >> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show >> >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an >> >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays one >> >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to switch >> >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >> >> >> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out >> >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius. >> >> >> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit >> >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ >> >> >> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW >> >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 14:51:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92432101616; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 14:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=KQaATsGecfEqgITLPu3iCbYghSUW0lqvCGhR07+YgRI=; b=ovdDpXklonQZIJhzBryM7XLscOis0JVPDYD0W+FP2pW+o2TUhUtRBwNFEu3ZKiSzAD WX5Ynhs7TSns6w4YNJeoP4W34cebVmtFQeh1rq3t3WnSQZEv5Er/alFhWkhLSRoX+ORy zALrlgWZopmrwy3C1Qh14b5sNSEymN08efgIi5fVYy5qwDE27DtgWFaEiZSw+n72dfWh VkB18LX7m64he0FxuzUEk2PVTcA5WY49GrLHIJAljOWfMnCtfe/8A629R6rrcS8Qs8PL RDiyuH+dn54aeZcz693mhREvhd/yv72Ni5Y8XhxZosn0pVO5nXo6cHKsMuMKlSbxMk6y BWOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KQaATsGecfEqgITLPu3iCbYghSUW0lqvCGhR07+YgRI=; b=O5OSXzrnJYrFIXZdy8v/XcMVSsoMvq1R5/J63fO+UIpNwrlrmrHRoFOTKdqeP6JLJU wo+HnDfyCbBiiGYWgQIWMaghVLCLhVpGtMUlEwN78klTp1aw/p+rFXEgqizuMwrU60Kt OcX84Jfx1yTA89O/wrGoFjbXd+cBBphdXJpihNhtAtfI/F80n3oCd12Q2WdBWZ0Lw77x 9bhQ7mQweXCB8taLGhKTASDE7JLfQCzam4QPQP6Hf6Behm8amVx8TKVQr65sQq2Hw6sf 4ljHcOMMps3fyJtaTbeU22fdFz/SwTLxrN2lwaJs6RR25aKdfukuo9WtERIybiLjEmHL RhDA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnalyPdDqjmfOxo/o8j0BuuQZCXy7pZaHA+7wiyWbE9dEwcb1muYENKFK3MvNNJ+BiU9b60 X-Received: by 10.140.165.16 with SMTP id l16mr33373954qhl.101.1449413492841; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:51:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> From: Richard Sales Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:51:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11355e705fb79405263be070 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 14:51:33 +0000 (UTC) --001a11355e705fb79405263be070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apollo is very hard to beat. And if you buy one now, you can get a Satellite with it! I have an Axe FX SL+. Brand new in July. I might sell it. I just don't have time to explore its glories. The Eventide H9Max is enough to keep me busy for hours=E2=80=A6 and hours I don't really have right now and might n= ot have for another half year or so. Just keeping this space shuttle studio (www.glasswing.com) flying is a full time job, and that's on top of a hard core production schedule. If anyone's interested PM me - richard@glasswing.com On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > My dream audio interface is the new UAD Apollo Twin Thunderbolt. > http://www.uaudio.com/interfaces/apollo-twin.html > > Works with an Apple laptop with Thunderbolt connection. > > I remember Bill Walker said he is very pleased with his Twin, but I > can't remember if he has the USB or the Thunderbolt version. Anyway, > the good thing with them is that the audio interface does some > processing so that can be used to tweak a live sound with no latency > (guitar tone? Reverb?). The UAD plugins are also great in studio > recording and a few of them comes bundled with the Twin, but if you > want more you need to buy them separately. If I didn't already have an > excellent solution with my, somewhat bulky, AxeFxII I would be going > for the slick and portable Twin. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I'= m > > also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known for > > latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Ableton > clips > > in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching laun= ch > > mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything > syncs > > and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dumm= y > > track. > > > > On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> > >> A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must > >> avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok, > >> because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops > >> back again (given the software applies latency compensation). > >> > >> The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use > >> direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run > >> them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper > >> (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect > >> devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect > >> devices --> software looper tempo master) > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott > >> wrote: > >> > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop i= s > >> > making > >> > the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. > >> > Example: > >> > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you > have > >> > to > >> > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the > latency > >> > is > >> > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm a= t > a > >> > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road > I'll > >> > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of > this > >> > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was readi= ng > >> > that > >> > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months t= o > >> > get it > >> > all working..(Mobius in Ableton) > >> > > >> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? > >> >> > >> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show > >> >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an > >> >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays > one > >> >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to > switch > >> >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. > >> >> > >> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out > >> >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobius= . > >> >> > >> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit > >> >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ > >> >> > >> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW > >> >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ > >> >> > >> >> Greetings from Sweden > >> >> > >> >> Per Boysen > >> >> www.perboysen.com > >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a11355e705fb79405263be070 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apo= llo is very hard to beat.=C2=A0 And if you buy one now, you can get a Satel= lite with it!
I= have an Axe FX SL+.=C2=A0 Brand new in July.=C2=A0 I might sell it.=C2=A0 = I just don't have time to explore its glories.=C2=A0 The Eventide H9Max= is enough to keep me busy for hours=E2=80=A6 and hours I don't really = have right now and might not have for another half year or so.=C2=A0
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">
Just keeping this space shuttl= e studio (www.glasswing.com) flyin= g is a full time job, and that's on top of a hard core production sched= ule. =C2=A0
If anyone'= ;s interested PM me - richard@glas= swing.com

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
My dream audio interface= is the new UAD Apollo Twin Thunderbolt.
http://www.uaudio.com/interfaces/apollo-twin.html

Works with an Apple laptop with Thunderbolt connection.

I remember Bill Walker said he is very pleased with his Twin, but I
can't remember if he has the USB or the Thunderbolt version. Anyway, the good thing with them is that the audio interface does some
processing so that can be used to tweak a live sound with no latency
(guitar tone? Reverb?). The UAD plugins are also great in studio
recording and a few of them comes bundled with the Twin, but if you
want more you need to buy them separately. If I didn't already have an<= br> excellent solution with my, somewhat bulky, AxeFxII I would be going
for the slick and portable Twin.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I= 'm
> also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known fo= r
> latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Abl= eton clips
> in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching lau= nch
> mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything s= yncs
> and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dum= my
> track.
>
> On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply m= ust
>> avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are = ok,
>> because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer = loops
>> back again (given the software applies latency compensation).
>>
>> The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; = use
>> direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects r= un
>> them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the loop= er
>> (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect
>> devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effe= ct
>> devices --> software looper tempo master)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell l= aptop is
>> > making
>> > the latency be a problem that is making this experience diffi= cult.
>> > Example:
>> > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument ch= annel you have
>> > to
>> > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And t= he latency
>> > is
>> > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. S= o I'm at a
>> > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down thi= s road I'll
>> > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilit= ies of this
>> > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I wa= s reading
>> > that
>> > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech m= onths to
>> > get it
>> > all working..(Mobius in Ableton)
>> >
>> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live?
>> >>
>> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For li= ve show
>> >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has= an
>> >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine t= hat plays one
>> >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be c= ues to switch
>> >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >> >>
>> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out
>> >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont rec= ognize Mobius.
>> >>
>> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in= 64 bit
>> >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/produ= cts/32-lives/
>> >>
>> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 6= 4 bit DAW
>> >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/
>> >>
>> >> Greetings from Sweden
>> >>
>> >> Per Boysen
>> >>
www.perboysen.com
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>> >>
>> >
>>
>




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail drives the other one out'
<= span style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:18.900054931640625px">Great Englis= h/Zen Proverb


--001a11355e705fb79405263be070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 15:47:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78D0210160E; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 15:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tEg1QYAzwfQRcbVpCi4n5L8orXYo3P06DMSCe//hd68=; b=wfmk9cx2mtA3wwAEZJGCXjsfqlpYbp1OG+UA23BzCUTp/2ABzIL7oWs6JbTj232bws q5Th5XdsWdv9QqNu6BjyBCkij3J+uOxj6ADf6Gv3iK9lE3XcI8ihHsLMgD4xI8vSZNqU 20SGuyFNbTGe7xXu+tQwMIWywNvZdIwHw5GMs01PoRxHuUElKO8RdHluWdGryH62Lk7y Fb8zsPLFgi4tR/pmoebxRcZz1v1YKl0s6F0qDJ+TLREiwLlhxHKgh2Fbcj36dY9WeZ3B xFTiWk0l8/UWZnYNsbQvuHgodQbGulwDXqS8a6LSKs5IXHsBNCAZL8EPh7oB0xXA/0hF W2Bw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.209.37 with SMTP id mj5mr12083413lbc.9.1449416825143; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 07:47:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5660C673.6020607@tiscali.co.uk> <5661829D.8050708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 09:47:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c266d8fe939505263ca621 Resent-Message-ID: <1fm0mC.A.W8F.6hFZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 15:47:06 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c266d8fe939505263ca621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice studio Richard! Yea the Apollo looks awesome. For me since i'm just testing the waters I ordered a Focusrite Scarlet 2 channel. They get good reviews. I'm really on the fence about going from hardware to software looping. My current hardware rig works and its reliable and pretty flexible. That being said if i could get software to work the way I invision it I could have a more powerful and more portable setup. I think for me the problem is that in software its modular and you have to design and program everything. In hardware it just works. I'm up to the challenge though and there is plenty of help here and online. I really wish there were more Mobius tutorials on youtube though. Ill keep plugging forward. On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote= : > Apollo is very hard to beat. And if you buy one now, you can get a > Satellite with it! > I have an Axe FX SL+. Brand new in July. I might sell it. I just don't > have time to explore its glories. The Eventide H9Max is enough to keep m= e > busy for hours=E2=80=A6 and hours I don't really have right now and might= not have > for another half year or so. > > Just keeping this space shuttle studio (www.glasswing.com) flying is a > full time job, and that's on top of a hard core production schedule. > > If anyone's interested PM me - richard@glasswing.com > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> My dream audio interface is the new UAD Apollo Twin Thunderbolt. >> http://www.uaudio.com/interfaces/apollo-twin.html >> >> Works with an Apple laptop with Thunderbolt connection. >> >> I remember Bill Walker said he is very pleased with his Twin, but I >> can't remember if he has the USB or the Thunderbolt version. Anyway, >> the good thing with them is that the audio interface does some >> processing so that can be used to tweak a live sound with no latency >> (guitar tone? Reverb?). The UAD plugins are also great in studio >> recording and a few of them comes bundled with the Twin, but if you >> want more you need to buy them separately. If I didn't already have an >> excellent solution with my, somewhat bulky, AxeFxII I would be going >> for the slick and portable Twin. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I= 'm >> > also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known fo= r >> > latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Ableton >> clips >> > in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching >> launch >> > mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything >> syncs >> > and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dum= my >> > track. >> > >> > On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> >> >> A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply must >> >> avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are ok, >> >> because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer loops >> >> back again (given the software applies latency compensation). >> >> >> >> The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; use >> >> direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects run >> >> them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the looper >> >> (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect >> >> devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effect >> >> devices --> software looper tempo master) >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott >> >> wrote: >> >> > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell laptop = is >> >> > making >> >> > the latency be a problem that is making this experience difficult. >> >> > Example: >> >> > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument channel you >> have >> >> > to >> >> > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And the >> latency >> >> > is >> >> > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. So I'm >> at a >> >> > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down this road >> I'll >> >> > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilities of >> this >> >> > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I was >> reading >> >> > that >> >> > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech months = to >> >> > get it >> >> > all working..(Mobius in Ableton) >> >> > >> >> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott < >> jrelliott500@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live? >> >> >> >> >> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For live show >> >> >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has an >> >> >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine that plays >> one >> >> >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be cues to >> switch >> >> >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >> >> >> >> >> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out >> >> >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont recognize Mobiu= s. >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in 64 bit >> >> >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/ >> >> >> >> >> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 64 bit DAW >> >> >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > -- > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > > 'One nail drives the other one out' > Great English/Zen Proverb > > > --=20 Josh Elliott --001a11c266d8fe939505263ca621 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice studio Richard! Yea the Apollo looks awesome. For me = since i'm just testing the waters I ordered a Focusrite Scarlet 2 chann= el. They get good reviews.=C2=A0

I'm really on the f= ence about going from hardware to software looping. My current hardware rig= works and its reliable and pretty flexible. That being said if i could get= software to work the way I invision it I could have a more powerful and mo= re portable setup. =C2=A0

I think for me the probl= em is that in software its modular and you have to design and program every= thing. In hardware it just works. I'm up to the challenge though and th= ere is plenty of help here and online. I really wish there were more Mobius= tutorials on youtube though. Ill keep plugging forward.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 8= :51 AM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
=
Apollo is very hard to beat.=C2=A0 And if you b= uy one now, you can get a Satellite with it!
I have an Axe FX SL+.=C2=A0 Brand new in July= .=C2=A0 I might sell it.=C2=A0 I just don't have time to explore its gl= ories.=C2=A0 The Eventide H9Max is enough to keep me busy for hours=E2=80= =A6 and hours I don't really have right now and might not have for anot= her half year or so.=C2=A0

Just keeping this space shuttle studio (www.glasswing.com) flying is a full time job, and= that's on top of a hard core production schedule. =C2=A0

If anyone's interested PM me - richard@glasswing.c= om

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@= gmail.com> wrote:
My dream= audio interface is the new UAD Apollo Twin Thunderbolt.
http://www.uaudio.com/interfaces/apollo-twin.html

Works with an Apple laptop with Thunderbolt connection.

I remember Bill Walker said he is very pleased with his Twin, but I
can't remember if he has the USB or the Thunderbolt version. Anyway, the good thing with them is that the audio interface does some
processing so that can be used to tweak a live sound with no latency
(guitar tone? Reverb?). The UAD plugins are also great in studio
recording and a few of them comes bundled with the Twin, but if you
want more you need to buy them separately. If I didn't already have an<= br> excellent solution with my, somewhat bulky, AxeFxII I would be going
for the slick and portable Twin.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do have to get a new laptop anyway if I take this rig on the road. I= 'm
> also getting a new interface no matter what cuz my old art is known fo= r
> latency issues.. That being said in excited to say I've gotten Abl= eton clips
> in session mode to behave almost like the boomerang 3 by switching lau= nch
> mode to toggle. With monitoring to off I have no latency, everything s= yncs
> and I think on the cusp of a workaround of effects by setting up a dum= my
> track.
>
> On Dec 5, 2015 8:14 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >>
>> A better computer won't fix that kind of latency. You simply m= ust
>> avoid to run real-time live audio through the software. Loops are = ok,
>> because they won't make sound until the latest recorded layer = loops
>> back again (given the software applies latency compensation).
>>
>> The solution is like I mentioned in my first post in this thread; = use
>> direct monitoring of your live input. If you want synced effects r= un
>> them in a pedal or rack device BEFORE the looper and have the loop= er
>> (or its host appl) send a tempo sync signal back to the effect
>> devices, first in your audio chain. (Instrument --> synced effe= ct
>> devices --> software looper tempo master)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>> > I used jbridge and got mobius in there. I think my old dell l= aptop is
>> > making
>> > the latency be a problem that is making this experience diffi= cult.
>> > Example:
>> > to use live's effects or plug ins on a live instrument ch= annel you have
>> > to
>> > monitor the input which causes you to hear the latency. And t= he latency
>> > is
>> > like 30 milliseconds..enough to severely affect the timing. S= o I'm at a
>> > crossroads. I have to consider if I want to continue down thi= s road I'll
>> > have to invest in a better computer. The power and possibilit= ies of this
>> > system are endless but its definitely not plug and play. I wa= s reading
>> > that
>> > Ed Sheeran went to software and it it took him and his tech m= onths to
>> > get it
>> > all working..(Mobius in Ableton)
>> >
>> > On Dec 5, 2015 4:23 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Does she use Mobius in Live or just Live?
>> >>
>> >> She composes and produces the recordings in Logic. For li= ve show
>> >> preparation she has been using Ableton Live. She also has= an
>> >> Eletrixpro Repeater, a discontinued rack looper machine t= hat plays one
>> >> loop with four tracks. Several alternative loops can be c= ues to switch
>> >> between them. I had a Repeater long ago, great device. >> >>
>> >> >It looks like for me Mobius is out
>> >> > as I have the 64 bit version of Live and it wont rec= ognize Mobius.
>> >>
>> >> There is a software adapter for running 32 bit plugins in= 64 bit
>> >> hosts: http://www.soundradix.com/produ= cts/32-lives/
>> >>
>> >> You can also use Bitwig instead of Live, as Bitwig is a 6= 4 bit DAW
>> >> that also supports 32 bit plugins. http://www.bitwig.com/
>> >>
>> >> Greetings from Sweden
>> >>
>> >> Per Boysen
>> >>
www.perboysen.com
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>> >>
>> >
>>
>




--
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail dr= ives the other one out'
Great English/Zen Proverb





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Josh Elliott
--001a11c266d8fe939505263ca621-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 18:59:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55616101612; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4247 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 18:59:21 UTC From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Software looping Message-Id: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 09:48:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Hey Y'all, I use an Apollo twin, I can't say enough good things about = it, the sound is spectacular, its very easy to use and the plug ins are = as good as the come, They are always having plug in sales and honestly = one needs only a handle full to create stellar sound, Im partial to the = Neve 1073 module the LA-2 limiter, and pultec eq's, the verbs and delays = are also very good and I've also been dabbling in amp models and effects = plug ins a tube screamer sim through the Engl amp model is most saucy. = If you can afford it, you would be very happy Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 19:28:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F8D101614; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=H4KbD9/O5ONHWaIZCjSi6f7YKf86KqQJULXHPGeNOSw=; b=DeXZGbr34aD4to40Y8L0Vy3VniTYQ9AbQ+LiJRrsDkKGaD8Y/dc8V7eADyXKYHZ+xL v6LSGFWxqnOlNRs94YnRsHqBEfRdL5HyMb4D/CkTDsjLEkYEKhW4kDwgB6U02/uwdkm0 dtgdR2yRmTfjEyxXiXt4oPPJvh4yPwt87c10Ce0lH2pvog58IjCq7jcxfKffuaH6wFdR RwHRSJc7XOA0BWfSbP6Tv/uxOvh6uZ5pnAeZ3hK/nMvVviJVJhcT/tBnpOIv+UMbyy87 +ZNq9nhar7OaaCJmbWHNSGo+AiVipqtMSy5sb4OPIDCbp35P0GTFLAhys7DbtUbe/EeE Mc+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.149.9 with SMTP id tw9mr4234093lbb.59.1449430111990; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 13:28:31 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b342f26f3be3305263fbe1b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:28:33 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b342f26f3be3305263fbe1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey Bill! long time no see! Hope all is well. I notice you use a Softstep(correct?) but I never had a chance to talk with you about your rig. Are you using Mobius? On Dec 6, 2015 12:59 PM, "William Walker" wrote: > Hey Y'all, I use an Apollo twin, I can't say enough good things about it, > the sound is spectacular, its very easy to use and the plug ins are as good > as the come, They are always having plug in sales and honestly one needs > only a handle full to create stellar sound, Im partial to the Neve 1073 > module the LA-2 limiter, and pultec eq's, the verbs and delays are also > very good and I've also been dabbling in amp models and effects plug ins a > tube screamer sim through the Engl amp model is most saucy. If you can > afford it, you would be very happy > Bill > --047d7b342f26f3be3305263fbe1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Bill! long time no see! Hope all is well. I notice you u= se a Softstep(correct?) but I never had a chance to talk with you about you= r rig. Are you using Mobius?

--047d7b342f26f3be3305263fbe1b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 19:31:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E45F101613; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kygZTpNu0PCFnbFKTDwMnIHk/Sq9IMMMff7TALIylaU=; b=PP0JbnGe6mnCmo2pgSBOzZZ7c4G1yYEIqP8EsGm6n/KiXEP0CeyP5x2qF/z9lQsRoe JKOxOLSTHLYDIS4XrudDvoZu4K8ob6VNL7luTDKc9r/JUHPBEsWaEiOucq3DZg//FUZe Y6XA9aUOzvoOHGHb2kbi/yNYqKTPWPr+sxXq8LWD1uk/FW2bCiMw+XT0bdfRJob3ZDdL ZadeEds/7NwxmsG2PY3ibrodEY0aP7oxCu9+u51s5foVHvwEyEE3Hcd+t0s4F/kEi0XL DnTl34t5qAM08+NBXRFVx7kay9w5cl60WIBoYzGK0cckjzSr1fJTt866naO/b2YWXFHf 9I6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.54.193 with SMTP id l1mr12006847lbp.58.1449430276114; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 11:31:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 13:31:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3a914bc130605263fc835 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:31:17 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c3a914bc130605263fc835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Or was it a 12 step? On Dec 6, 2015 1:28 PM, "Josh Elliott" wrote: > Hey Bill! long time no see! Hope all is well. I notice you use a > Softstep(correct?) but I never had a chance to talk with you about your > rig. Are you using Mobius? > On Dec 6, 2015 12:59 PM, "William Walker" wrote: > >> Hey Y'all, I use an Apollo twin, I can't say enough good things about it, >> the sound is spectacular, its very easy to use and the plug ins are as good >> as the come, They are always having plug in sales and honestly one needs >> only a handle full to create stellar sound, Im partial to the Neve 1073 >> module the LA-2 limiter, and pultec eq's, the verbs and delays are also >> very good and I've also been dabbling in amp models and effects plug ins a >> tube screamer sim through the Engl amp model is most saucy. If you can >> afford it, you would be very happy >> Bill >> > --001a11c3a914bc130605263fc835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Or was it a 12 step?

On Dec 6, 2015 1:28 PM, "Josh Elliott"= <jrelliott500@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Hey Bill! long time no see! Hope all is well. I notice you use a S= oftstep(correct?) but I never had a chance to talk with you about your rig.= Are you using Mobius?

On Dec 6, 2015 12:59 PM, "William Walker&qu= ot; <billwal= ker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Hey Y'all, I use an Apollo twin, I can't say enough good= things about it, the sound is spectacular, its very easy to use and the pl= ug ins are as good as the come, They are always having plug in sales and ho= nestly one needs only a handle full to create stellar sound, Im partial to = the Neve 1073 module the LA-2 limiter, and pultec eq's, the verbs and d= elays are also very good and I've also been dabbling in amp models and = effects plug ins a tube screamer sim through the Engl amp model is most sau= cy. If you can afford it, you would be very happy
=C2=A0Bill
--001a11c3a914bc130605263fc835-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 20:29:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C147101611; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 20:29:33 UTC X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2015-12-06_11:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=1 compositescore=0.9 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 rbsscore=0 spamscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510090000 definitions=main-1512060364 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Software looping From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 11:29:18 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> To: Loopers Delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Resent-Message-ID: <-IlH3.A.kRH.tqJZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Ditto to UA Apollo! The best sounding low latency solution with FX. =20= Daniel > On Dec 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, William Walker = wrote: >=20 > Hey Y'all, I use an Apollo twin, I can't say enough good things about = it, the sound is spectacular, its very easy to use and the plug ins are = as good as the come, They are always having plug in sales and honestly = one needs only a handle full to create stellar sound, Im partial to the = Neve 1073 module the LA-2 limiter, and pultec eq's, the verbs and delays = are also very good and I've also been dabbling in amp models and effects = plug ins a tube screamer sim through the Engl amp model is most saucy. = If you can afford it, you would be very happy > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 6 20:40:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4A410160F; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=moNrcONKhsTBcs7VlockaojJpfzLM916sn+6CqWFO/g=; b=Z9T5uraoar5U7xCg2osHV1QnafdBt1R5uq0XDD51TC+tPowLN2u5QGE4KUtmgalEtb JaryV0T7ocG4kkmMs0yMZlY9opv7qHGsQKJ8Wn1LhvXJUaP9WGJnKLSPW/0WI4PCNAKv n4i+SQMCdE8N6vecW52PBDi5FTz7Galn4PeRi0CkcpuD+Xd6J9TUbTzfaOdbS39j2E7R C/mD0tmQBXZyCQ0YcBkZVJ3S5GpwU2bKn6kcNT85uDAy5y8RiUBsZ/IMctB44BrHnceX HHdE/mDYAxLp9QzlUmPaSMek4UA/sKIlxi4yxaBVc0Y0K96RKFc6BV6lD9OarQfrTnzH eFCg== X-Received: by 10.66.141.12 with SMTP id rk12mr2807586pab.32.1449434414836; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 12:40:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: Software looping From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:40:13 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:40:16 +0000 (UTC) I=E2=80=99ve just gone and bought myself a hardware drum machine and = hardware Tascam multitracker =E2=80=94 the latter hasn=E2=80=99t even = been unboxed yet =E2=80=94 but if I view them as sunk costs that simply = need to be resold =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m feeling more and more like I = could be attracted to a software setup for recording with live shows = simply using the Ditto X2 or the Boomerang III. But that then gets to the matter of finding the right hardware/software = combination. Hardware: I=E2=80=99d much rather use an iPad or a Microsoft Surface Pro = than something where I=E2=80=99m dealing with a keyboard and trackpad. = It seems like it would be easier to position a tablet conveniently for = access while recording particularly if it is also serving as the looper. Software: What I want is the ability to take a stereo input and record = it to a pair of tracks and also walk it across feeding into a number of = parallel stereo loopers. Basically, I need the notion of a current = looper that is receiving the input signal and responding to footswitch = control. (If I=E2=80=99m ditching the hardware drum machine to cut down = on number of physical inputs, then I also need to run some number of = virtual instruments as well though those might also generate audio for = recording rather than MIDI.) The goal is to come out of a recording session with 8-10 tracks: the raw = stereo input, the output of say three stereo loopers, and the drum = machines. I could easily see this heading up closer to 16 tracks but at = some point that probably involves overdubbing. Audio interfaces: I=E2=80=99m probably going to need to run a small mix = board for the input signals and different instruments using processing = chains and to drive the monitors. The Apollo twin is a 2x2 interface. = (I=E2=80=99ve already got an older Apogee Duet 2x2 that only works with = the Mac and not the iPad.) I could get a mixer with a built-in 2x2 = interface through presumably that wouldn=E2=80=99t sound as good as the = Apollo or the Apogee but it would be one less bit of patching. = Advantages or disadvantages to going one way or another? (My current = mixers are somewhat aged Mackies.) Control: The consensus seems to be something like the Softstep but my = real question here will feed back to software questions. Are there = looper/controller combinations that are efficient in their use of = control real estate =E2=80=94 i.e., they don=E2=80=99t make me burn 3 or = 4 buttons on what a hardware looper would likely do in 2? So, there=E2=80=99s my general wish list if I go the software route. I = want to improve on the hardware straight-to-two-track approach that has = dominated my recording for years. I want to have a better parallel = looping system (though the Boomerang III works reasonably well here). I = want to have recordings that are easier to edit after the fact. I = don=E2=80=99t want to spend lots of time squinting at a computer screen. Suggestions? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 00:00:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A6713313D; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 00:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3554 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 00:00:07 UTC Message-ID: <5664BE21.9060400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 23:00:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21986.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--3.471-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--3.471-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: ZrceL/U8jXTAIiGVQCd+Fia1MaKuob8PC/ExpXrHizyl3LrcVyooQkfC APQ5/j4HjlnuOcjGDvJpi5+GOGZc349oUcx9VMLggxsfzkNRlfJq8/xv2Um1avoLR4+zsDTtw38 dXReMtXcjXt8SKSDeJAtLUzswLL5PM76CmRKo/uocB1kRhzF+Ot5h8gOvGDGf/AVPdxmgPrnpzB 0/eg806qrIep9UM/6A7mzqGoOPSWM= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 00:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > Control: they don’t make me burn 3 or 4 buttons on what a hardware looper would likely do in 2? > Echoloop, ( obviously ). I guess Mobius too. Or if you use a Gordius controller you get to choose *exactly* what longpress/shortpress setup you'd like (it has every possible option, and multiple commands), so any looper can be given a more efficient interface. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 10:49:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1EB10161D; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JGfVw9Lekp72xtk3wg35yi7RdBkps5Glr1KvjagxHGA=; b=xzwBKgABIvujumDHBj9/jNZ41YT5t0NV0we3BzRelBfw7MuOKeRX0JfUwewjWd3wro AqpNiIDqyc4SzE+ZpoSFqE8RkaEVTPdE2cjQsqDtevclRVujvZA1gzV1fh6ce/kR0YV/ 36ggXTOLJvfemZvQ23jdCL4v7fmdVlKUIjTtuy5lpBZr0wN3baQyBt9uVDKzSfKFDk+u FCZYrzE2ZKTepIKO+G5MY2d6ul4GSH8PH/q4T39VQ5oEcuzX49QqOMR6sfv5QfDd1fDD XiUQQ9PudUjj1S1a8c4Li5Q/+q6Z3Dw2tvKuEyAaOqfiZ/pfAraZpX5JFOaiLsJWpNBU JHLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.162.8 with SMTP id xw8mr13512755lbb.57.1449485373646; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:49:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5664BE21.9060400@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> <5664BE21.9060400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:49:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:49:35 +0000 (UTC) +1 for Gordius Little Giant :-) An amazing MIDI pedal that makes anything possible. An addition regarding Mobius: You can save up on needed pedal switches by scripting Mobius. Here's an example: Let's say you have a pedal that sends a MIDI Note event when pressed. Throw a script to Mobius that IF the looper is empty a pedal hit means RECORD, if already recording (in RECORD MODE) the same pedal hit means OVERDUB, if already overdubbing a pedal hit means OVERDUB (so you can just get out of OVERDUB MODE for plain playback of the loop), if holding down the pedal as "a long-press" it means deleting the loop (easy way out to end a song, or restart if you messed up the intro) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, andy butler wrote= : > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> Control: they don=E2=80=99t make me burn 3 or 4 buttons on what a hardwa= re looper >> would likely do in 2? >> > > Echoloop, ( obviously ). > I guess Mobius too. > > > Or if you use a Gordius controller you get to choose *exactly* what > longpress/shortpress setup > you'd like (it has every possible option, and multiple commands), so any > looper can be given a more efficient interface. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 12:34:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D875A101625; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1307 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:34:37 UTC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter47-d.gandi.net X-Originating-IP: 10.58.1.146 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:05:19 +0100 From: marc@clubcapelli.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio: Beat Buddy In-Reply-To: <696C6200-FD01-409C-8788-E48B21075530@teddyjam.com> References: <696C6200-FD01-409C-8788-E48B21075530@teddyjam.com> Message-ID: <67cf6a0a9c46a9c1ab48f83c8aeecb3c@clubcapelli.com> X-Sender: marc@clubcapelli.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) me too I use a EHX 45000 looper sync to a BeatBuddy, works perfectly ! Best Regards, Marc Le 2015-12-04 22:20, Teddyjam a écrit : > are you sending midi clock TO the RC300 from the beat buddy or the > other way around? > > Teddy > > On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, paulrichard_rocks > wrote: > >> Not exactly on topic but I obtained a Beatbuddy pedal recently and >> am using it with a Boss RC300 via MIDI. Works pretty good, sounds >> great, live performance dimension per fills and secondary pattern. >> >> Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 13:53:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 332C8101627; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1449496397; bh=NI1fhPmCci18+BO2RCHEuVdExyE7P27WGZYcpj7vvyU=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:From:Subject; b=etd8XZ8SPE33tr4iVGpZJFhhKUn6qMKqSyFOcgHGN9gHNxqPT6vOCnJd2DzOrGjqoSSP12cqRUnS0FvRk5z+krRS9fp3ZoZ98qAruCO1AI6t9SzoTh9if4+NqndsDhnu4EzdHf2b4KxS43rK+dTOpg9OzEWyfzFeYU/toqwrd1wz8E+tbXQle1YC3XxSKn4m4pk6OlWyFcx4zKfM2HMmij5woxgibvewdO9Vl0uDScpyLQ/dSRAXtaWmd2pIaleGBlHltkRMPo+PccyB2FzvAi0Lb5BwcL1gpDix7ERtw8xMYAWXGgdb+xgT67LDS+xnYiNYBJLPdejhYYg5MoayIw== X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 482547.20304.bm@smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: S3V2ap8VM1kZZDReYIsqNEPshxvdFCli4Jmjy8imFxyqetR RN5.Amek1.uzi3YdSPOSx5lqUDRgb5LoI1eZ6O_L6KPvly.yddh9qQEn3RwP k9CCDME9baQ6P_EKWKctlhj.0rR.l8zYfFxW1xlrHebpNbNTymVf6yMV7DKg N9a_FkxBwbnqIyibRAIhMT3hIu1rjDdrwxpVwCtQnJSaY28OmvWEI2zT6C1n 2SkIB0UkEvwV76VGUIM_zkDdyaME1IuEx9GtuBNA6cD9g9ZeC4tNtB1NUEfw 5OZSnqscUoSBaspl3xN7YDVj.pWAI_sF2kpo7ChyiVqflMQXbNxH6QVOlcKe AWWJ1nXKa4bOsYQqedXjMnGpIuvPe7NczLSO.IhyfUDwIB_.KL9Z.q1rpMOu aId7K0FTM9gFh0DKIzec6m5xGFElTFe0GJG9hM9kwKBVfXUVuDIXVZfTMggx KpkmMdlY2A47.26khKUQZ93yCAMMYXwzP0MeS_RWMeFJtR99eDUTee6dpIa8 Pk.TL5ChI3kHJWsicazw1RFsg42_IRL8oAlQ19afQEqXrCuuM2vbyisRJ06e kjJc3EQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9CktVo6swBCbpA6mV5XNreeUVOrwMFq.IcIKOzvn Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:53:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Drum Loops Used In Studio: Beat Buddy Message-ID: Importance: normal From: paulrichard_rocks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1jI7sh591BQPtYM2r0oUD3Ez9zIkCFC2RAnSnLiG7Z8=; b=aQuRg/IuXUHPlOYQbC4Z2pJXLXxn6gXbgnUOoT6geedOlOv6EwsWoYvxrhK4B/0Fn6 KNuqAevCq2iVoMRCrtHG+etbTGPa2jadRyq6l5nkzcC+wiEMmcPwADCTZnsVZZ8PjL82 5XWw3yWLb5+t9YtOXTC3aREOiwjj4ehXlt+S5G6TJ0+8/dr8JSPycdev4oVn57Q0vxks Cz9nosvnqkKVuFPI6v1e3Fyynz9YODhcA5VD950jWRWL1rk7Obm5iTSPZvxKa8lEAEFr sFitz1N3GUGTG3G4c+b0PodOmbQH/MiheLCf2RPsHvh2WMU9STVZrvVnhsSI51bOzdBB Ym4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.209.37 with SMTP id mj5mr13996858lbc.9.1449497257807; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:07:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 08:07:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c266d82792be05264f61a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:07:39 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c266d82792be05264f61a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sorry if this subject has been beat to death but I looked on the forums and the last thing I could find was from last year. So I thought I would revisit this since there might be something new out there. The top contenders seem to still be the soft step and the Behringer fcb1010. Just wondering if anyone here has any direct experience with these pedals for others that may work. The Gordius is a bit out of my price range. Is the old Soft really as bad as all the negative reviews? Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? How would the twelve step be as a loop controller? Is the new soft step really as awesome as people say? Cheers from Wisconsin --001a11c266d82792be05264f61a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry if this subject has been beat to death but I looked on= the forums and the last thing I could find was from last year. So I though= t I would revisit this since there might be something new out there. The to= p contenders seem to still be the soft step and the Behringer fcb1010. Just= wondering if anyone here has any direct experience with these pedals for o= thers that may work. The Gordius is a bit out of my price range.

Is the old Soft really as bad as all the negative reviews? <= /p>

Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people sa= y?

How would the twelve step be as a loop controller?

Is the new soft step really as awesome as people say?

Cheers from Wisconsin

--001a11c266d82792be05264f61a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 14:29:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2A6101631; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tHkqf3j/tpqQMdZj1pslBfh8IWIk/0NygJa57ydxxbo=; b=YO/GXEgskrfhP2zACxcA4Dcpl+93uw/FU3+WhTynSB4/BTk6pnG7kxxPucSxaJyzqB GAd/MYD29lv6aDUbIzn7tr1KL7fSkd1StfNHy2QNVA3lxuRA2Vj22rbadvhtoXuoZfvZ Dfz7ZjQl4H3yVrhTKo6a4ye4u41IxO9B7ic3IBrEhxsiSTZ8ZQEEWyLbA4t6ZA5cwH1+ Ja2851l0S+AMwC3dXrn59D3yUrs8+EXovDwIdAWO14Nl3/sF1ETIf5ZXOKv79lg07UCi PAlW4JhqJQDUUSLCfDHtaP7dhw/qYN3XadOIXq7RD0YcX2i/Z5CnbUV5+9+VAr7Ehq5J L5+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.157.144 with SMTP id g138mr22277045vke.71.1449498592050; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:29:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425c82ae841805264fb020 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) --001a11425c82ae841805264fb020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > How would the twelve step be as a loop controller? One of the best USB foot controllers around IMO (Assuming you can map everything to midi notes. You can get CCs out of it, but the soft step is probably a better option for continuous control). Sylvain --001a11425c82ae841805264fb020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:
How would the twel= ve step be as a loop controller?

One of the best USB = foot controllers around IMO (Assuming you can map everything to midi notes.= You can get CCs out of it, but the soft step is probably a better option f= or continuous control).
Sylvain

--001a11425c82ae841805264fb020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 14:36:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5FF310162F; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WOIXmtPGuDwxbjNAsD7r4N/AMTz+1zo1sEgEhr2gx2c=; b=uj002apENllfHVcc5tHFSlNaQorz67fFuBzQuHRMNcgPzg+wAsRS1+JrZdzMM5z5Gw eh2FW/XrbZhEm48jsVG+tgBy531ZeK5Ha2c5dZ2n1FX3xFOH/CX+ZiydA2UR1LM3saZd PmPNlSKnO9ZFDYPxIhkNF7rCF876WbbML1yDHvnAy4wITT73USQ/s6QkuTPd9/g08j/5 yqS2LNlUeiT92hqD5WKYRmQBP5HeNSXY1rvZGWN6ePa05FsVQW790MQrbCa/sNZ9WbAY 3COLGn+isqPXGp5gLgsjudQzio/IjpxTmUvqn8EJkTzKxUPyjjZ2qwhsRwjptDK6MSyd s4/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.149.9 with SMTP id tw9mr5685825lbb.59.1449498962541; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:36:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 08:36:02 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b342f26c3c49a05264fc64c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:36:03 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b342f26c3c49a05264fc64c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Sylvain. Good to know On Dec 7, 2015 8:29 AM, "Sylvain Poitras" wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> How would the twelve step be as a loop controller? > > > One of the best USB foot controllers around IMO (Assuming you can map > everything to midi notes. You can get CCs out of it, but the soft step is > probably a better option for continuous control). > Sylvain > > --047d7b342f26c3c49a05264fc64c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Sylvain. Good to know

On Dec 7, 2015 8:29 AM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <sylvain.trombone@gmai= l.com> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:
How would the twel= ve step be as a loop controller?

One of the best USB = foot controllers around IMO (Assuming you can map everything to midi notes.= You can get CCs out of it, but the soft step is probably a better option f= or continuous control).
Sylvain

--047d7b342f26c3c49a05264fc64c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 15:07:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE27101630; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oufFId7cGaTY/wfCqyXAVm1mg6uO+tiWlSzt2hK4NLw=; b=qCTqepxd3suCX11qxlb7UpDD043JycUgmneIZVgx2umt/7DOe2+E8Fc2IekubAe+sT KQ7IUwbEQrY2RbWHy+GMemWjLxzuFH+zfng9RE4Y/heUgGsOJpXR/dsuJ2gux8hod9JJ VYlyAHnWQzOnJusYdmiuDorJjBnvNrUJ2pP9TlamQcWwv3qVy0W6G3BvRr6hfm6UZFwn CB8sm9LXJdMdV9csoDdrKFud32B/UNHREs+fTCFbBs17Y1aZ9WT1AOgvOIfY164zORU7 kTFTOugv3khBIUP9Aw6gM9LF+uEMxLif5ba4Fj1+PTaFPMnDKsmEYjTaGJllVmzowua5 yNxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.213.72 with SMTP id x69mr22122768ywd.271.1449500876487; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 07:07:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fd442d841340526503802 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZCi3D.A.LKE.NDaZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:07:57 +0000 (UTC) --001a114fd442d841340526503802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've had good luck with the Xtempo Pok: http://www.xtempozone.com/ It's easy to set up. On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Thanks Sylvain. Good to know > On Dec 7, 2015 8:29 AM, "Sylvain Poitras" > wrote: > >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> >>> How would the twelve step be as a loop controller? >> >> >> One of the best USB foot controllers around IMO (Assuming you can map >> everything to midi notes. You can get CCs out of it, but the soft step is >> probably a better option for continuous control). >> Sylvain >> >> -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --001a114fd442d841340526503802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had good luck with the Xtempo Pok:
I= t's easy to set up.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Josh Elliott <jrell= iott500@gmail.com> wrote:
<= p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Sylvain. Good to know

On Dec 7, 2015 8:29 AM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <syl= vain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvain




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--001a114fd442d841340526503802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 15:42:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5A110162A; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hfOFiqvuSSX8R+fqRajc9SI+lkqRiOIWLTOalpC9TtY=; b=J/LKvAlyEJKHNwLNquEt0+8fjE9zURB/QcYitNU+Hik2IfRgfjRj3U9ruhVd6t+Ldn 509+UEcnm5YxbsZ6fpIAP7QffU0nIQKA9Negve5aJjdECmGPoZvRna/KiXWC2BCJchL5 ZCjy1Y3osiCzjbf3uJQsTHszt/+uahvV5UTPYg7hVJ5ka2ziNLqHmn4Cerc5Rf76oTKN HmPOXMMGxmwRSM7M+r/vzpRvvIl6WH7FuZ77vu4iI2Wz9vBtTVFvYoONK6bdjJdreMeo 2emGEEmpHPxhI2JtM3n5giV/aOrdUq560mApRfC94Ax36L0DT5bUIMRcjVhXz42Hem14 ETsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.23.42 with SMTP id n42mr14790695lfi.42.1449502962276; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:42:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:42:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this: The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device, to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number 0). All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then, even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well. Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save money in the longer run. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 15:48:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990C0101638; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G+jOFnhqH0mfhQCH9VXnlTOhgx6fpjpbkEZEQdxptMM=; b=N+JUwlDrXTEw1hnWvqZoeVHyKEwrlNGi4nmV5n+Ivz40k1Rh43XP6VEos1s45riwgs dD8AOeggxk7HSPH9i0AtTpVmfM9XQn5YSwCDJ2vkAUCNaB9evmjcZ0daq3lHt6V5xGIP cKChRIwfs2LmAHtuET+jMjwO6gABjBvRdCFuA9sHVTn0PtgklhhlLc9iXj6Y+YWbEaGy 30zUZF8gMJFo2ro5DAe1iyg9tA3rmaAi+p8aC0FceWTpBLX90FAyA1URoBLxrke5m26b fp18oK26yTXFMdURswMqX2hkgXZlgBbNdriOqgXhPY9T7fELb5rmpQO3xb6g7RCIa1DM i3Zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.138.10 with SMTP id qm10mr11934322lbb.139.1449503284199; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:48:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:48:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011615a05b365b052650c8ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:48:05 +0000 (UTC) --089e011615a05b365b052650c8ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for confirming. Its better to spend a little more up front for the piece if mind. On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > > Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? > > > Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this: > > The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This > means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not > realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device, > to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first > MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step > that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event > than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or > something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after > unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one > event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number > 0). > > All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI > events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then, > even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI > spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in > your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received > reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well. > > Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the > first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside > stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real > cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a > Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save > money in the longer run. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --089e011615a05b365b052650c8ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for confirming. Its better to spend a little more up = front for the piece if mind.

On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
On Mon, Dec 7, 201= 5 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say?


Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this:

The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This<= br> means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not
realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device,
to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first
MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step
that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event
than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or
something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after
unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one
event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number
0).

All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI<= br> events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then,
even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI
spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in
your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received
reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well.

Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside
stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a
Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save
money in the longer run.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

--089e011615a05b365b052650c8ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 15:51:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685C910162C; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=PhBfMy8wq+XyuYoVxiZx4Vr9Fy6d5DOvZzukbjUJFXI=; b=mYb7nVJXRtnuuPJy/d+w7vQ05HrXRGJ9d4ub6owX9/voLwyVyQWD59qLr/x6T4ZC4K d5SRRCCeFmHu9mfwThutEgo58MqYGxkzqtg3SEJLUbdWc23ftzWe3cxcpwfXwWPCDa/m mwlmHk7YJoQ3XieMGcbV79U7ypw3bx8CI8Z8jiuJLJkZBssa7eUHnpyUnRQVpflpvNWg 8quKJQwsn2bvfgB+Jtp/U4uUaM+ojNAWX7RPrzpB+n1fQVhv1WWlboVjLdqLM9y0vGn2 92eYJyN8/WweOcGiHQQLqP0C6rG3sUryEOFjMjLdUEULk+MTKEp9Kw957UOdPhytqQM4 2G4w== X-Received: by 10.129.132.203 with SMTP id u194mr697775ywf.22.1449503476922; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:51:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114f0b46d7bdfe052650d3bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) --001a114f0b46d7bdfe052650d3bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I certainly can't say enough about the SoftStep. I control everything with it, including continuous controller information. and it costs me nothin in weight. at $300 or less, it's a bargain. and it's silent. On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Thanks for confirming. Its better to spend a little more up front for the > piece if mind. > On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> > Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? >> >> >> Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this: >> >> The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This >> means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not >> realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device, >> to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first >> MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step >> that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event >> than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or >> something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after >> unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one >> event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number >> 0). >> >> All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI >> events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then, >> even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI >> spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in >> your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received >> reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well. >> >> Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the >> first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside >> stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real >> cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a >> Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save >> money in the longer run. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> --=20 need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =E2=80=A2 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =E2=80=A2 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wher= ever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://instagram.com/digifiddler http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://gplus.to/toddreynolds http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://mymicrolife.tumblr.com http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --001a114f0b46d7bdfe052650d3bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I certainly can't say enough about the SoftStep.=C2=A0= I control everything with it, including continuous controller information.= =C2=A0and it costs me nothin in weight. =C2=A0at $300 or less, it's a = bargain. =C2=A0and it's silent.=C2=A0<= /div>

On Mon, Dec = 7, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for conf= irming. Its better to spend a little more up front for the piece if mind.

On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
= On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say?


Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this:

The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This<= br> means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not
realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device,
to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first
MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step
that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event
than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or
something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after
unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one
event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number
0).

All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI<= br> events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then,
even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI
spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in
your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received
reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well.

Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside
stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a
Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save
money in the longer run.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




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--001a114f0b46d7bdfe052650d3bf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 15:53:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D510101640; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=U1tNy/HxY8e+xecbl9QQ/WWe/VSY+K9/uEgNpuOle4A=; b=Pvhtol8y9j2WGkIGKeVv76PPJYtnfIDDLSCfdgrKwsB+XIaTNgOj8KNJm6oxjlOcvd JMtzbFtbZqBXloPD9Gi/tuH6jFIaa3/fFarhz5XlQH3A/q3iVw3mZcGwV8385SNytmvy yygsiBaP/0C8p6PrgfsMBJzWzRnB6bPLLaUf+wrd1e8Yg1jKthb0JChWTKOFZdmbd8hF 5v6uCtknxXnZoK+lC4LNNw4V05xEq2mOJJespi1Qaik4J731z3lE6llxUnMkpduyttnX SxIqP0LbvqltcgVxhAGO3eXFJa6mwhluRxUG/tfy8st0FpRaPJwMnlNX1dIv2ZAvVLLT rFWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.44.213 with SMTP id s204mr13711053lfs.37.1449503583173; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:53:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:53:02 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113db70a2d1308052650da37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:53:04 +0000 (UTC) --001a113db70a2d1308052650da37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Todd. good to know! On Dec 7, 2015 9:51 AM, "todd reynolds" wrote: > I certainly can't say enough about the SoftStep. I control everything > with it, including continuous controller information. and it costs me > nothin in weight. at $300 or less, it's a bargain. and it's silent. > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> Thanks for confirming. Its better to spend a little more up front for th= e >> piece if mind. >> On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott >>> wrote: >>> > Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? >>> >>> >>> Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this: >>> >>> The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This >>> means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not >>> realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device, >>> to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first >>> MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step >>> that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event >>> than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or >>> something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after >>> unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one >>> event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number >>> 0). >>> >>> All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI >>> events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then, >>> even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI >>> spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in >>> your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received >>> reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well. >>> >>> Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the >>> first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside >>> stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real >>> cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a >>> Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save >>> money in the longer run. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> > > > -- > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =E2=80=A2 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com > > > =E2=80=A2 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wh= erever > music is sold. 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Thanks Todd. good to know!

On Dec 7, 2015 9:51 AM, "todd reynolds"= ; <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrot= e:
= I certainly can't say enough about the SoftStep.=C2=A0 I control everyt= hing with it, including continuous controller information. =C2=A0and it cos= ts me nothin in weight. =C2=A0at $300 or less, it's a bargain. =C2=A0an= d it's silent.=C2=A0

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:4= 8 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Thanks for confirming. Its bet= ter to spend a little more up front for the piece if mind.

On Dec 7, 2015 9:42 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
= On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say?


Yes, but you can cut down the nightmare by knowing this:

The FCB comes pre programmed for some of Behringer's guitar amps. This<= br> means each switch sends a handful different MIDI events. You might not
realise that when doing a MIDI Learn session for some target device,
to control, because the device will nicely hook itself up to the first
MIDI event that arrives at its MIDI in port. Now, next time you step
that switch - or maybe third time... who know - a different MIDI event
than the assigned may be the first one to arrive and nothing or
something completely different happens! So, first thing to do after
unboxing is to empty the memory and program each switch with only one
event; I suggest MIDI notes, starting from the lowest C (note number
0).

All FCB's I have owned - three in total - have leaked out reandom MIDI<= br> events that I did not program them to send. This happens now and then,
even when not stepping on a switch. On a bad night some random MIDI
spitted by that little bastard happens to be assigned to something in
your rig and your gig will take a surprising turn. I've received
reports of this "MIDI leaking" form other uses as well.

Each one of my three FCB's lasted for exactly three years before the first switch broke down. Not the physical switch but something inside
stopped working. After nine years on three FCB's I realised the real cost for using crappy gear; it had already costed me more than a
Gordius, so when the third FCB broke down I bought a Gordius to save
money in the longer run.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




--
=
need me right away?=C2=A0 = Call or text me at 917.576.6166
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=E2=80=A2 <= i>The Best Classical Music of=C2=A0the Year, 2011
- Amazon.com

<= div>


--001a113db70a2d1308052650da37-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 18:25:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C990310163B; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 18:25:26 UTC Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. References: To: Josh Elliott , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net Message-ID: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:10:21 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-smarthost01d-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:25:26 +0000 (UTC) On the softstep issue - I'm probably one of the folk who dissed the Mk 1 in a big way - justifiably maybe. But, having got a Mk 2 as well, I'm still using the Mk1! The newer software is better (works for both), but I don't use it! The Mk 2 for me was way too sensitive, but it didn't hum like the Mk 1 (unless you turn the backlighting off as I do). Having said all that, if you're looking for a conventional (-ish) looping/MIDI control set-up, the SS is so lightweight, portable & versatile (though a steep learning curve), it's very tempting. I've kinda stuck with it 'cos I've learned a lot about it, I've built my own editor in Bidule, & I've configured it to provide 44 (and more) individual controls, as opposed to the 11 apparent default configurations. But it's fiddly to use this way, so I wouldn't recommend following my path! It's silent in operation, and it's cheaper than the Gordius. But I haven't used a Gordius, & I have a lot of respect for the Gordius users out there. Neither have I used the twelve step - but it's obviously a more note-based approach. FWIW Dave On 07/12/2015 14:07, Josh Elliott wrote: > > Sorry if this subject has been beat to death but I looked on the > forums and the last thing I could find was from last year. So I > thought I would revisit this since there might be something new out > there. The top contenders seem to still be the soft step and the > Behringer fcb1010. Just wondering if anyone here has any direct > experience with these pedals for others that may work. The Gordius is > a bit out of my price range. > > Is the old Soft really as bad as all the negative reviews? > > Is the FCB1010 really the nightmare to set up that people say? > > How would the twelve step be as a loop controller? > > Is the new soft step really as awesome as people say? > > Cheers from Wisconsin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 18:53:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745AF101633; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 18:53:07 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21988.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--5.220-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--5.220-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: VPleTT1nwdQ4HKI/yaqRm9F8NCC76P7lsAstBIeBlyQfmRnL8RBuBEaX ExLrrQUAVVU54eUze6OVJr5AZ5u+XV/yzOBJu22ClUgQqGVMqmxY8mfhSYy5UqXJ9vMysD/CbUB tEeGbf+8NBW0wfkcYlV8Ayiud+qfy5TpK6pSWp7qBlNt4VSGvIUyQ5fRSh2659KAC671xcFf6sR z1g/tlo+LzNWBegCW2RYvisGWbbS8TEC0P9PvYRt0H8LFZNFG7bkV4e2xSge7Z00qyykFkpfNS4 82QK2aUb4qNAJwdNpt9MQQv730bqwkrYwrjkf4Y Resent-Message-ID: <5vRf0.A.FiF.XWdZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:53:11 +0000 (UTC) > Gordius Vs Softstep If a switch fails on the Gordius, ( and no reason it should ), then it's easily replaceable. The Gordius is the only controller which had my feedback for use with looping, so I'm a bit biased. Reckon it's more tweakable though. Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient combination of switches. (because a loop function happenning after a fixed longpress time can be rather unmusical). ..but yes the Gordius is heavier ( big improvement on the fcb1010 tho') andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 19:01:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6A410163E; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PXAaW++RUX0sc4nXp6bJAlySzN7dJ9Ox5Rt+zVsuRnU=; b=D+uIJPQLhzA0v3ETEcLUOedlcTKavGLKZHhcncdDqign45NNu16LtLLodZFelS3RN/ pCbUkzYhEtTj8ixxnC0zZbg+ng1ktkg53SEP1mxCLrakG+1BKsfOkR0QssWsokNjU0me S+ZBTtE3U7la6kt6qzmsS2vJYm7l3OreXsAPWeCLbSBsBPbfHwkPfch1EzlEoRhPT03/ vXFVp49JMTxlbS/iCj8AvpUK93cyP0Au43Lpnev3u2wWg1xBGX2kghRUjec+eNRkKoJw U1g762fKON+CVoUApfoxIeUkwESfQdH6MXdRIMp4AtRXz1jtBFObOEiQgjv9XfzizGDq JhQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.205.10 with SMTP id lc10mr14064076lbc.31.1449514872638; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:01:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:01:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) ...and it has a screen saver :-) Not much compared to the McMillan boot-up light show, though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:53 PM, andy butler wrote: > > >> Gordius Vs Softstep > > > If a switch fails on the Gordius, ( and no reason it should ), > then it's easily replaceable. > > The Gordius is the only controller which had my feedback for use with > looping, so I'm a bit biased. > Reckon it's more tweakable though. > > Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for > "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", > which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient > combination of switches. > (because a loop function happenning after a fixed longpress time can be > rather unmusical). > > ..but yes the Gordius is heavier ( big improvement on the fcb1010 tho') > > andy > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 19:17:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D596E101641; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HdJUk2ZLDWtWrLS4cyowFJZG4zu36dKQBqhJLmg0T5c=; b=0A6gzX0oEt81IT2w7BUuyF3T62skE9tS+eOcuk+/ZFYp6HBVavLv2UEcydcgNkboHB dKiIhUv8da4uRXtf24fnRzrl9/yiWTtgmS05XtlC3tTavEFJ1cNCPK0THimf0aA+u9Tb s58+XAjiLaiofa6ijNxbGnMq2OLtC29+PFYxz3gGwYCjssYIQfzypQpzZ6GGkd2ZO1hW PZhQ6cjOAdFYd9yu/BNtmqnjsP09KIhu5oF/yLsqUrEC3/tRRjtSQqcbtXNFNz5K9W7g 1NZ6PRhk59OVgS/WIk6OaA7UfE8Vq/aYEONI9S43ihH79wMCxUVMiNzCUJhD30smTURn V5rw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.157.144 with SMTP id g138mr23488298vke.71.1449515852920; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:17:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425c82827fd7052653b55d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:17:33 +0000 (UTC) --001a11425c82827fd7052653b55d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler wrote: > Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for > "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", > which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient > I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates. I can see how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever. I've also implemented a midi processor with a Pure Data patch running on a Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalboard without any (other) computer. This is not to say that I wouldn't also like to own a Gordius... Sylvain --001a11425c82827fd7052653b55d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features = as options for
"longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch&qu= ot;,
which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient

I don't believe the= KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kep= t up on the firmware updates.

I can see= how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for com= puters, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in B= idule, PD, Max or whatever. I've also implemented a midi processor with= a Pure Data patch running on a Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalb= oard without any (other) computer.

This is not to say that I wouldn't also li= ke to own a Gordius...=C2=A0

Sylvain
--001a11425c82827fd7052653b55d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 20:51:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C03101643; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 505 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:51:14 UTC Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> From: Luca - Unguitar Message-ID: <5665EF24.4010300@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:42:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000406020500090109060806" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:51:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000406020500090109060806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm jumping in very late, don't know which was the focus at the beginning of the discussion but I feel like I should say that having been one of the very first Big Little Giant owners I might tell something about my experience, in short words. I think that the concept, the reliability, the flexibility and THE support offered by Xavier is the best I could ever dream for from a supplier. I think there is no need to insist on this, those who know, know; those who don't just have to think something which can only be compared to having your best friend fully commited to offer you the best footcontroller you may dream about. I don't own the BLG anymore, I had to sell it once I had tested the FS and checked that it might work for my needs. I couldn't afford keeping that great piece of hardware unused. But how much I have dreamed it to be thinner and lighter. So much that I had seriously considered to take it apart and put switches and leds on a new, thinner and lighter panel. No time to make this happen so, sad SS ( first v.1 and now v.2) user and missing the BLG forever: silent, superflexible, easy to setup and program, capable of 4 cc's ( originally it was 2 cc's and 2 switches, the first Gordius with 4 cc was mine and then Xavier decided to make it standard on all the Gordius brains...) and amazingly supported. If Xavier will ever come out with a lighter, smaller and more portable footcontroller I will surely jump on it. ;-) Luca Il 07/12/2015 20:17, Sylvain Poitras ha scritto: > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for > "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", > which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient > > > I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific > trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates. > > I can see how important these options would be for controlling > hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can > easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever. I've also > implemented a midi processor with a Pure Data patch running on a > Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalboard without any (other) > computer. > > This is not to say that I wouldn't also like to own a Gordius... > > Sylvain --------------000406020500090109060806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm jumping in very late, don't know which was the focus at the beginning of the discussion but I feel like I should say that having been one of the very first Big Little Giant owners I might tell something about my experience, in short words.

I think that the concept, the reliability, the flexibility and THE support offered by Xavier is the best I could ever dream for from a supplier.
I think there is no need to insist on this, those who know, know; those who don't just have to think something which can only be compared to having your best friend fully commited to offer you the best footcontroller you may dream about.

I don't own the BLG anymore, I had to sell it once I had tested the FS and checked that it might work for my needs.
I couldn't afford keeping that great piece of hardware unused.
But how much I have dreamed it to be thinner and lighter. So much that I had seriously considered to take it apart and put switches and leds on a new, thinner and lighter panel.
No time to make this happen so, sad SS ( first v.1 and now v.2) user and missing the BLG forever: silent, superflexible, easy to setup and program, capable of 4 cc's ( originally it was 2 cc's and 2 switches, the first Gordius with 4 cc was mine and then Xavier decided to make it standard on all the Gordius brains...) and amazingly supported.

If Xavier will ever come out with a lighter, smaller and more portable footcontroller I will surely jump on it.

;-)
Luca


 Il 07/12/2015 20:17, Sylvain Poitras ha scritto:

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for
"longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch",
which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient

I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates.

I can see how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever. I've also implemented a midi processor with a Pure Data patch running on a Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalboard without any (other) computer.

This is not to say that I wouldn't also like to own a Gordius... 

Sylvain

--------------000406020500090109060806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 7 23:37:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9AA4101644; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 23:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=uTOBfyA/Mkfd9UCeUuYRtapVgnD4UIg9Qadfi1NBwhI=; b=s56MMJEvvGjpQJgGJlIAJHdGh0cstQ7qxvgQFsO/6ti3UwEVpmAW9OLQYlLuuFj0uq gYJdKesJXsGJcR7B9GM8UgENJ1XmyW7Q4ByJfpAd3NJSfZk6cbRHSRQaVvsk8kIfr/xt 46668gSm0Hb9seg2sTCQldnHvfzQ375bX+oupEISXe4HxT9m2QqAET3lgIXsoejeD1lo DRlkc7SuX0BCHCEQwccvSDebPKHbF4/borDguh0eJDaOwFO6drB1RMv+z5nenZQ2EELs pZFvuygq993YlpPAeYfcGm7oCeui6CPB2+APctaUfcFzDN1BXl9mzRlEtUB2EWoWknze piog== X-Received: by 10.66.155.197 with SMTP id vy5mr124474pab.109.1449531418955; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:36:57 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D5277D9-83C3-49CC-ADB9-01DF35F78567@gmail.com> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 23:37:00 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:53 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 > Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for > "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", > which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient > combination of switches. > (because a loop function happenning after a fixed longpress time can = be rather unmusical). Sitting somewhere between the physical buttons and the software to be = controlled, one would like software that turned Press & Release events = from the physical button into either of the following event streams = based on how long the button gets held: Press - TapRelease or Press - Hold - HoldRelease Then one needs software that can map those four events (Press, Hold, = TapRelease, HoldRelease) into MIDI events. And then, of course, one needs looping software that does intelligent = things with MIDI events. For example, a Line 6 looper (and many others) = treats the Rec/Dub switch differently depending on mode: Empty + Rec/Dub =3D=3D> Recording Stopped + Rec/Dub =3D=3D> Recording (Empty really only exists at = startup) Recording + Rec/Dub =3D=3D> Overdubbing Overdubbing + Rec/Dub =3D=3D> Playing Playing + Rec/Dub =3D=3D> Overdubbing etc This allows for more efficient interfaces though some of that could just = be being smart about what the control events are for the looper. I loved = the EDP and found it pretty straightforward in its basic operation but = it was also button intensive. And consider that the above can get more complex if we want to recognize = double-taps as well. Then the press (and its follow on events) might be = identified as being a multi-press if it followed the previous release by = a short enough interval. Mark P.S. I did a bunch of analysis a while back on how to get as much = functionality as possible out of as few buttons as possible. I should = post that some time in the hope that someone might be able to use it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 00:21:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44DF101646; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lQAE0DHY4YY9d0xacxlmJsAUxanPqCy0u3WqMsr8erY=; b=ys9LieJpvPkejJOTzjVHGvx+ANtA7cz2qypf0V1k/sfjiYzfOFL/yOp7z1cPLlngf5 fzD9wBVVe7hHg8mkV6GdrYueeU5Jktg7TX4d8cWefXnRDtQLoHrNs8VGOsB/5UzB/+f7 toENUxJ/RV5WBy/Ki5x0yLVfVYZgNVuXeAR1j0Wf+3ql087fOBGpssNiW6FR0o/61x0M WhlBLLYhxoS3ws53+NtmVRT8SLiDNab5V4ptlHRGOAPdOVANEXTqW4SQgmos7Ovm5wLo qd3siZwxyrlvz1+QxGxF59zrC6z590q3+ew7QPCfmWO1GOM+ECZBRklSWkPTQUpSU4hs Id6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.208.11 with SMTP id h11mr222302lfg.109.1449534089500; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:21:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6D5277D9-83C3-49CC-ADB9-01DF35F78567@gmail.com> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <6D5277D9-83C3-49CC-ADB9-01DF35F78567@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:21:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:21:30 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Then one needs software that can map those four events (Press, Hold, TapRelease, HoldRelease) into MIDI events. Good news: Not necessary if you use MIDI Notes! :-) That is because MIDI Note data includes the two events Note On and Note Off. Translated into pressing a foot pedal switch the Note On corresponds to when you press down the switch and the Note Off corresponds to when you let go of the foot-down press. In the Mobius looper a lot of long-press support is already set up as default, but you can do more with it if scripting. For software loopers that are lacking long-press support, I guess one could use MIDI Pipe just like you described, Mark. One would then tell MIDI pipe to measure the time between a Note On and its Note Off and if that time is longer than... let's say 1500 milliseconds (that's what I use in my Gordius pedal for long-press stuff) it sends something else. I'm not certain MIDI Pipe can do exactly that, but for anyone reading this that is interested it would be just a five minutes task to check out by the manual or web page. There is something about long-press commands that I found out about "the hard way": that you better use it combined with pretty safely quantised commands, rather than together with real-time actions. Most folks like actions like "Next Loop" to happen a bit into the future, like "on the next loop round" or in my case I prefer it to be executed "on the next cycle cusp" (a cycle normally being one or two bars. That gives you the time to press down a switch long enough. Another good combo is to use the Note Off event for the 1st command, because then you are avoiding that critical time window as this Note Off can only happen earlier or later than 1500 milliseconds after the Note On. For example assigning UNDO to Note Off and REDO to long-press (another fav of mine). That allows you to instantly while playing "scroll up and down the edits history" as they call it in Photoshop :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 03:05:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD4710164A; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. Message-Id: <27A893D5-EFB1-4C9D-9E91-AB606DB18855@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:05:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chose it = over the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward, doing = the things I needed it to for Mobius, note on-off commands and a cc = expression port, I wish it had two expression ports but I like its = size, light weight, and noise free switching, The feel is something I = had to get used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actually prefer = to the more hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical noise = unless you press very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, = which is the deepest midi foot controller on the planet, it like what = Homer Simpson said about donuts=85"is there anything they can't do?" . = Its also built like a tank , way more rugged than the McMillen stuff. = Ive had one 12 step go down on me, a problem in the main board, but it = was under warranty and they provided a replacement. Time will tell if = Ill need to go back to using the Gordius, which I will never sell as its = built the way things used to be built=85.to last. =20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 03:42:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF59D101648; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AzuYF+bEk4VQCl4Ft92jvgggVyu83Znje0qCDdjIAwg=; b=XO9wVJoCEGNwNh2kAPd7YbqQSQpuxQ0HTk2r07vuRDrEpIs6c1FpWIOf8/Ii/Cf5EV UrC6hiSU9stQAQeUOEhebm/ihZNdKZ9N0UE/c/VudBt+KumXvUM6hW/Jk7JAjnU7kxTw yoEd3NG3Ku3uTQxsO9fsI/3s0DNiF/CCRYEbHo9FAtbcGz2Gd8zDQ45TJ89P2vJ6B4xg BqqZxC0ZnMz+kVTNvZdJcqvUvSTKAdlkSBXnlx9ORshYFWxM0bnfy61lUZYJF5Oi7MF/ nPpKP2BuC0kZDLvieRUbPruvLjrx9Cg8eYBETYefpDx/sJYTarKkDlke1RovVRQdF7CW 92oA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.129.233 with SMTP id nz9mr494947lbb.112.1449546174284; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:42:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27A893D5-EFB1-4C9D-9E91-AB606DB18855@baymoon.com> References: <27A893D5-EFB1-4C9D-9E91-AB606DB18855@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:42:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a839ecdca9905265ac43c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:42:55 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a839ecdca9905265ac43c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for that perspective Bill. The 12 step looks pretty good for now. I just need 8 buttons for loop start/stop/record, one for start/stop all, one to erase all, one to toggle effects on and off and one to tap tempo. (something like that) I don't really need the x,y axis of the soft step( I also may have a 64 button controller up at finger level) Gordius sounds amazing as a donut! On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker" wrote: > Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chose it ove= r > the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward, doing the > things I needed it to for Mobius, note on-off commands and a cc expressi= on > port, I wish it had two expression ports but I like its size, light > weight, and noise free switching, The feel is something I had to get used > to, but feel comfortable with now, and actually prefer to the more hair > trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical noise unless you press ver= y > lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, which is the deepest midi > foot controller on the planet, it like what Homer Simpson said about > donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can't do?" . Its also built like = a tank , > way more rugged than the McMillen stuff. Ive had one 12 step go down on > me, a problem in the main board, but it was under warranty and they > provided a replacement. Time will tell if Ill need to go back to using th= e > Gordius, which I will never sell as its built the way things used to be > built=E2=80=A6.to last. > --047d7b3a839ecdca9905265ac43c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for that perspective Bill. The 12 step looks pretty g= ood for now. I just need 8 buttons for loop start/stop/record, one for star= t/stop all, one to erase all, one to toggle effects on and off and one to t= ap tempo. (something like that) I don't really need the x,y axis of the= soft step( I also may have a 64 button controller up at finger level)

Gordius sounds amazing as a donut!

On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker&quo= t; <billwalker@baymoon.com= > wrote:
Im curre= ntly using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chose it over the Soft= step because it was more simple and strait forward,=C2=A0 doing the things= I needed it to=C2=A0 for Mobius, note on-off commands and a cc expression = port,=C2=A0 I wish it had=C2=A0 two expression ports but I like its size,= =C2=A0 light weight, and noise free switching, The feel is something I had = to get used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actually prefer to the m= ore hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical noise unless you pr= ess very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, which is the deepes= t midi foot controller on the planet,=C2=A0 it like what Homer Simpson said= about donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can't do?" . It= s also built like=C2=A0 a tank , way more rugged than the McMillen stuff.= =C2=A0 Ive had one 12 step go down on me, a problem in the main board, but = it was under warranty and they provided a replacement. Time will tell if Il= l need to go back to using the Gordius, which I will never sell as its buil= t the way things used to be built=E2=80=A6.to last.
--047d7b3a839ecdca9905265ac43c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 17:01:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EBB1101635; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=W9nlJ1KyrkJjjtIZA3PTak5yOm+jeYdfrBXTMZXDxWg=; b=SM3XZDeVjRlfXsEgcVAvz8VTC3++FjEN/yZfX7aAzZomQX9kolcitpQc4pOPgMxaFI R048f1sxgHfDw5PdCJJCbKf9UFJpS3YeX9Z0r4Oyi9NGwKi49r3o1Qug6FzYc3H58X+B I4j1UQ+8k2bTjT6hmAQjLyAMXfThaF40kao23sN8u/4BsIfONGfMyNIAUvbHYNbNyoJ4 I1zi30qLGeNQTF1f/6la4AP8Z3eksQgFdAbB9vaudiVvFbVGDOKIdihAg5rZfbEwYCxv 8c4t/i+PORJufcbrq4O7DVl8PG0e1qdlkkFKgqOrAfKTrrixCFXKHTDQftkPNoV4QMUP d4+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.155.35 with SMTP id vt3mr22946629igb.28.1449594086139; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <27A893D5-EFB1-4C9D-9E91-AB606DB18855@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:01:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1130ce4c92ad1a052665ec71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:01:27 +0000 (UTC) --001a1130ce4c92ad1a052665ec71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's good that you don't need the XY axis of the softstep, as it's near-useless. T On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Josh Elliott wrote= : > Thanks for that perspective Bill. The 12 step looks pretty good for now. = I > just need 8 buttons for loop start/stop/record, one for start/stop all, o= ne > to erase all, one to toggle effects on and off and one to tap tempo. > (something like that) I don't really need the x,y axis of the soft step( = I > also may have a 64 button controller up at finger level) > > Gordius sounds amazing as a donut! > On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker" wrote: > >> Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chose it >> over the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward, doing >> the things I needed it to for Mobius, note on-off commands and a cc >> expression port, I wish it had two expression ports but I like its siz= e, >> light weight, and noise free switching, The feel is something I had to g= et >> used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actually prefer to the more >> hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical noise unless you pre= ss >> very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, which is the deepest >> midi foot controller on the planet, it like what Homer Simpson said abo= ut >> donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can't do?" . Its also built like = a tank , >> way more rugged than the McMillen stuff. Ive had one 12 step go down on >> me, a problem in the main board, but it was under warranty and they >> provided a replacement. Time will tell if Ill need to go back to using t= he >> Gordius, which I will never sell as its built the way things used to be >> built=E2=80=A6.to last. >> > --=20 http://alisongmadrigal.bandcamp.com http://toaster.bandcamp.com --001a1130ce4c92ad1a052665ec71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's good that you don't need the XY axis of the s= oftstep, as it's near-useless.

T

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:= 42 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
=

Thanks for that perspective B= ill. The 12 step looks pretty good for now. I just need 8 buttons for loop = start/stop/record, one for start/stop all, one to erase all, one to toggle = effects on and off and one to tap tempo. (something like that) I don't = really need the x,y axis of the soft step( I also may have a 64 button cont= roller up at finger level)

Gordius sounds amazing as a donut!

On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker&quo= t; <billwalk= er@baymoon.com> wrote:
Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chos= e it over the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward,=C2= =A0 doing the things I needed it to=C2=A0 for Mobius, note on-off commands = and a cc expression port,=C2=A0 I wish it had=C2=A0 two expression ports bu= t I like its size,=C2=A0 light weight, and noise free switching, The feel i= s something I had to get used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actual= ly prefer to the more hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical n= oise unless you press very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, w= hich is the deepest midi foot controller on the planet,=C2=A0 it like what = Homer Simpson said about donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can= 9;t do?" . Its also built like=C2=A0 a tank , way more rugged than the= McMillen stuff.=C2=A0 Ive had one 12 step go down on me, a problem in the = main board, but it was under warranty and they provided a replacement. Time= will tell if Ill need to go back to using the Gordius, which I will never = sell as its built the way things used to be built=E2=80=A6.to last.



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--001a1130ce4c92ad1a052665ec71-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 17:10:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C7110163C; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MF0E0jQk8rBEj3jR7zb1YMekZrs5d5GirZUTgFSqVHs=; b=p6WK5ZpKeiq6ygtXADWb43B8QP2aqjzT/+Uq+bMVcPDfExVGsfKeS5IevzRaN1t6WL WKzwRELruMQhXlupjzTgdIHPwkcTrB24vdv44XTjUdVutcFcnX8aSvdyAWmhmrwQxXpi ZBWDSisHUQpzsQm19pCn6hDeBwk5riyWfuQWqC3eqPPdlWEJoOVB7c73FUNY0h7Jb2TQ AwOyDF+jzWXBxVYm1ISIydr+MtHcxyR0NOVA9R+yR7j7eRnJlne0yX/EbhICmJu9ZlPW YRPvbmHHwHx8/nOkE5WIugiqzSlCxxYsZi8pqAnot/+0E1lMtBi+UBFArJosLGX4Qqol Wv3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.28.19 with SMTP id x19mr11274236igg.92.1449594621003; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:10:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <27A893D5-EFB1-4C9D-9E91-AB606DB18855@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Phil Clevenger To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01538da0740cbf0526660c9e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:10:22 +0000 (UTC) --089e01538da0740cbf0526660c9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fully agreed Todd, this is the single biggest disappointment in the Softstep for me. Otherwise solid product. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Todd Elliott wrote: > It's good that you don't need the XY axis of the softstep, as it's > near-useless. > > T > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> Thanks for that perspective Bill. The 12 step looks pretty good for now. >> I just need 8 buttons for loop start/stop/record, one for start/stop all= , >> one to erase all, one to toggle effects on and off and one to tap tempo. >> (something like that) I don't really need the x,y axis of the soft step(= I >> also may have a 64 button controller up at finger level) >> >> Gordius sounds amazing as a donut! >> On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker" wrote: >> >>> Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chose it >>> over the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward, doin= g >>> the things I needed it to for Mobius, note on-off commands and a cc >>> expression port, I wish it had two expression ports but I like its si= ze, >>> light weight, and noise free switching, The feel is something I had to = get >>> used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actually prefer to the more >>> hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical noise unless you pr= ess >>> very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, which is the deepes= t >>> midi foot controller on the planet, it like what Homer Simpson said ab= out >>> donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can't do?" . Its also built like= a tank , >>> way more rugged than the McMillen stuff. Ive had one 12 step go down o= n >>> me, a problem in the main board, but it was under warranty and they >>> provided a replacement. Time will tell if Ill need to go back to using = the >>> Gordius, which I will never sell as its built the way things used to be >>> built=E2=80=A6.to last. >>> >> > > > -- > http://alisongmadrigal.bandcamp.com > http://toaster.bandcamp.com > > --089e01538da0740cbf0526660c9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fully agreed Todd, this is the single biggest disappointme= nt in the Softstep for me. Otherwise solid product.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Tod= d Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
It's good that you don't need the XY= axis of the softstep, as it's near-useless.

T
=

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Josh Elliott = <jrelliott50= 0@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for that perspective Bill. The 12 step looks pretty good fo= r now. I just need 8 buttons for loop start/stop/record, one for start/stop= all, one to erase all, one to toggle effects on and off and one to tap tem= po. (something like that) I don't really need the x,y axis of the soft = step( I also may have a 64 button controller up at finger level)

Gordius sounds amazing as a donut!

On Dec 7, 2015 9:05 PM, "William Walker&quo= t; <billwalk= er@baymoon.com> wrote:
Im currently using a McMillen 12 step, for running Mobius, I chos= e it over the Soft step because it was more simple and strait forward,=C2= =A0 doing the things I needed it to=C2=A0 for Mobius, note on-off commands = and a cc expression port,=C2=A0 I wish it had=C2=A0 two expression ports bu= t I like its size,=C2=A0 light weight, and noise free switching, The feel i= s something I had to get used to, but feel comfortable with now, and actual= ly prefer to the more hair trigger Gordius switches,which make mechanical n= oise unless you press very lightly.. I still have a Gordius Little Giant, w= hich is the deepest midi foot controller on the planet,=C2=A0 it like what = Homer Simpson said about donuts=E2=80=A6"is there anything they can= 9;t do?" . Its also built like=C2=A0 a tank , way more rugged than the= McMillen stuff.=C2=A0 Ive had one 12 step go down on me, a problem in the = main board, but it was under warranty and they provided a replacement. Time= will tell if Ill need to go back to using the Gordius, which I will never = sell as its built the way things used to be built=E2=80=A6.to last.



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--089e01538da0740cbf0526660c9e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 17:15:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D580C101642; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vwOauU1WGyOdi1CHpb6LCuUQmiV5R8UYAKBBHi7cjk8=; b=qrFhUojiTw9a2beeiK1BbFBk/pp1OyA6427RlGEHfonrMqATKTxFtzdfQumpX9U7kd CrbJCU7Xt8Ws21jW7IP8DgLuuUvb61KlyMRjbWcKtEkQlE2yLXrjlR6b0PTH81wFGivg QavFNODs7ihJokQ/8gVP9AVXfZnV7EjDiUh6ZpQTz3X5skENOd3qEvuIXmQviUCgLsG9 NFAx3LY2hBvHKA/PTCXqFX/FtXf9LuK4Tw71S4EOwJLF+4z0OV6JpFwKp/iixyfEZKee 5qZOXPPttJfhSg5wF/TQ5oIRJiaNapMZuulVYY2CPhD22C6pUCC+HX5tk12Qm7JeruQN 0m+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.67.79 with SMTP id l15mr24500318igt.9.1449594942897; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:15:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:15:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Soft Step From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd75710a3c52e0526661fcd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:15:43 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bd75710a3c52e0526661fcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and save some cash. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --047d7bd75710a3c52e0526661fcd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly= identical operationally.=C2=A0 The 2 has a slightly different layout and l= ighting scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the s= ame.=C2=A0 So if you're using simple commands, no reason why you can= 9;t buy a used SS 1 and save some cash.

Kevin

--
Till now you= seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That i= s the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ram= ana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--047d7bd75710a3c52e0526661fcd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 17:25:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0F9101642; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=G5HwyD4qwgWrr8vhmnrbum5ntFX5alhmivmMSytSZw4=; b=foWa9uvH/KSq7hrEr1pMy8QJqZvOJoVDAla4Gpg7QzArhf70QTRva1P6W4kj/46W34 9jRlrzeAEmye5vCowYBvVXAzXCSOl+VsoGmI5cRz5Yl5ZHEscn4iHXCUxh/cYkMQAf0o SykzOjrvfjBf60h5gnZaKUsHvBtZTSJMHkQSnps377qkSmcwHpOQVSlIf9/xZgPFGXLv q5LqN2xTJXLpoKYIK+gvap0Q+hGKgU/E+VD/KnuBL0YHoCSoJlPYyUnSOC12NV6DpqWl 3qxoBpgyH6NEQvAG+qNsgbFXKgIN6oFr79DqeSMha3RNHWqRXywIaUQvYJoCTbnzt4vZ ARxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.8.69 with SMTP id 66mr1187442ioi.34.1449595538150; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:25:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:25:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft Step From: Todd Elliott To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f8f3c1e99330526664362 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:25:39 +0000 (UTC) --001a113f8f3c1e99330526664362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If anyone wants to buy a softstep, email me. I make for you good price. T On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical > operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme > and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if > you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and > save some cash. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > -- http://alisongmadrigal.bandcamp.com http://toaster.bandcamp.com --001a113f8f3c1e99330526664362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone wants to buy a softstep, email me. I make for yo= u good price.

T
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Kevin Cheli-Co= lando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 an= d 2 are nearly identical operationally.=C2=A0 The 2 has a slightly differen= t layout and lighting scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise = they are the same.=C2=A0 So if you're using simple commands, no reason = why you can't buy a used SS 1 and save some cash.

Kevin

-- =
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to h= ave a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)




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--001a113f8f3c1e99330526664362-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 17:58:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E354101626; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6LYwgCDl3uLfrJpwc4SIGb+dREyTnCKO17+IasWO1sw=; b=pVZp5pSbOMdl1dQa37AOmQ6Ii22xDetFZW5yksHL0Iozj8A+NXaVy8R4cx1fBcRew3 stQTka9k9ogcVQ2tOKCWZCJcnLZmGsdFxifFhqq0LwU7JZJ43No8a21OTuWP0nj9vUzn 2wWnl74Yr3oVPxfeFILBWpo57paoG08LDSgdyBD5VPcOADmkNhM7crvoK8q5c4E1abLw LOVPZIH3LA25nnOpApRCFRqW4PAcspyLKd3lzW4qxc9L3Vc25r5nSDLJLV07VHbUIW92 UrFfmw7bDyApzVLqvVCBS7On8Mebc112L53XuhyHlUkVgIl6LGw1Lw13UUak4CtRll7g /Ubg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.23.42 with SMTP id n42mr401168lfi.42.1449597526767; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:58:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 11:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft Step From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114057cca67efc052666b9ca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) --001a114057cca67efc052666b9ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Is it true that soft step 1 had him issues? On Dec 8, 2015 11:15 AM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: > Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical > operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme > and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if > you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and > save some cash. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > --001a114057cca67efc052666b9ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is it true that soft step 1 had him issues?

--001a114057cca67efc052666b9ca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 18:46:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD71E101628; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DIAQCDJGdWPIyPT08NURkBAQIPAQEBAYRLhl+4XYYOAoILAQEBAQEBBwEBAQFBhHMBAQEBAgEjRw4GCwsYCRYIAwICCQMCAQIBMQMREwYCAQGII65lcZBuAQEIAgEgi1GFJ4JQgUQFlmGPF5cgg3KCdB2BVnKFbwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2DIAQCDJGdWPIyPT08NURkBAQIPAQEBAYRLhl+4XYYOAoILAQEBAQEBBwEBAQFBhHMBAQEBAgEjRw4GCwsYCRYIAwICCQMCAQIBMQMREwYCAQGII65lcZBuAQEIAgEgi1GFJ4JQgUQFlmGPF5cgg3KCdB2BVnKFbwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,400,1444690800"; d="scan'208,217";a="810500562" From: andy butler Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:46:41 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090903010807060601010805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090903010807060601010805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/12/2015 19:17, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for > "longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch", > which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient > > > I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates. > > I can see how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever. really? I think it would be quite complex in Bidule. You'd have to first create some kind of timer component. ...or you did it already? > I've also implemented a midi processor with a Pure Data patch running on a Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalboard without any (other) computer. hmmmm, the PI sounds like it could be useful. what's it's latency as a midi processor? ...and would it use a standard midi interface? ..and they've brought out a new ultra cheap version, £5 i.e. less than 10 dollars/Euros Don't know about audio latency either...but could be a bright future ahead for DIY > > This is not to say that I wouldn't also like to own a Gordius... :-) yes you'd love it > > Sylvain andy --------------090903010807060601010805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 07/12/2015 19:17, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for
"longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch",
which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient

I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates.

I can see how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever.

really?
I think it would be quite complex in Bidule.
You'd have to first create some kind of timer component.

...or you did it already?



I've also implemented a midi processor with a Pure Data patch running on a Raspberry Pi in the past to use on a pedalboard without any (other) computer.
hmmmm, the PI sounds like it could be useful.

what's it's latency as a midi processor?
...and would it use a standard midi interface?

..and they've brought out a new ultra cheap version, £5
i.e. less than 10 dollars/Euros

Don't know about audio latency either...but could be a bright future ahead for DIY

This is not to say that I wouldn't also like to own a Gordius...
:-)
yes you'd love it

Sylvain
andy

--------------090903010807060601010805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 18:46:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8184101637; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2AjHACDJGdWPIyPT08NURkBAQIHCAEBAQGLKrZsAQECWYEUgl5eglICgX8MAQEBAQEBAQYBAQEBQYEAEgGDYQEBAQM4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECATEUEwgBAbcIkV8BAQEHAgEgi1GFJ4QUBZJ3g2qIH6IKWAEBAYQMg1SDDQEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2AjHACDJGdWPIyPT08NURkBAQIHCAEBAQGLKrZsAQECWYEUgl5eglICgX8MAQEBAQEBAQYBAQEBQYEAEgGDYQEBAQM4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECATEUEwgBAbcIkV8BAQEHAgEgi1GFJ4QUBZJ3g2qIH6IKWAEBAYQMg1SDDQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,400,1444690800"; d="scan'208";a="66363810" From: andy butler Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <6D5277D9-83C3-49CC-ADB9-01DF35F78567@gmail.com> Message-ID: <566725AC.3040706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:47:08 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6D5277D9-83C3-49CC-ADB9-01DF35F78567@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 18:46:52 +0000 (UTC) On 07/12/2015 23:36, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Then one needs software that can map those four events (Press, Hold, TapRelease, HoldRelease) into MIDI events. less confusing to put them in order (?) (Press, TapRelease, , Hold,HoldRelease) where TapRelease= message sent when switch released before longpresstime Hold = message sent when longpresstime is reached, and switch still held if understand the terminology. Indeed, the LG does all that. Not sure if it can handle double tap...with clever programming maybe. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 19:12:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5F6101620; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gE7U7sosjdf1MMqpphw0pvg9nVwopwmF5sJweTySUas=; b=pE1SCq2RrIFEF0YuaRhtSyl/KwgmOIFqniq/M9Y/n5nDB1Ys8AI66dRMi+hhWjCcau gXWIgU4pRaWdBJvZyQxMUfLAMMCeW+Abfx851roZuEpqKc9B/DZAe1v7KneTj/mIL7jK 0AIhalrsQfe7/YXSKj9dtFMbHytkpQqpB0bQWM0pkcaEKNp2RBnjA93A1D6JtG5bQOIe Zjr5NVUC3LXYYmu+7LehUAW8FjKEEq1qdZCRrSzHJhEDkn27ZRTvrwGAtStjsDL8uAXX XxwOjzdguNLClkVJhjZtL0TFxL16YXFDgzzXLU+6dLOxA2SSPjwqFlV/3DXaZ0ZW2V7j LBEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.164.70 with SMTP id n67mr1169838vke.42.1449601954009; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:12:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114167bc89090a052667c157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:12:35 +0000 (UTC) --001a114167bc89090a052667c157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, andy butler wrote: > ...or you did it already? Yes, I've already implemented something like that in Bidule (count milliseconds while key is held). It would be trivial to implement your requirement from there: count ms while key is pressed, if note off is received after x ms, then execute function, else do nothing. Sylvain --001a114167bc89090a052667c157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
...or you did it a= lready?

Yes, I've already implemented something l= ike that in Bidule (count milliseconds while key is held).=C2=A0

It would be triv= ial to implement your requirement from there:=C2=A0

count ms while key is pressed= ,=C2=A0
if note off is received after x ms,= =C2=A0
then execute function,=C2=A0
else do nothing.
<= br>
Sylvain
--001a114167bc89090a052667c157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 19:40:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14503101632; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WGcXbOhFmSr1InLtkYxGOG/9WMtiBYaAnrU08tiKk0Q=; b=JIRU8yhecy4u+UUKn6/igb9r/qGkYIg77lxmRUdLxNOTdIGwzT9r4GtarBpFGRr+Cj /ELCvwm7Zw31x7e0bbonpiKNsVVoj59g7RlCrnaHa7YDbEvDyjZxgCuMlhnE8Ocadj2h /FxGZuVCojlp6KVQOIFmDPFri1Icx24iDkBfFIDY++M0IVoTl7oLtkwjAvsdbY9781Tx ZJFLC8NVkq8DG5le3u1Ngq9C2EsKxf+iCPqB5V/Y614fRG9XJsCTY+zzcP2q/5RV5KTd SE1JQKdPygJWggzCg83zpgETDVHclRvaorxgcdlInKrCoaaaj0WWXgY7ig1BLvTCDE55 4qCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.157.144 with SMTP id g138mr1255912vke.71.1449603609781; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:40:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11425c8239eace05266824cb Resent-Message-ID: <97Lra.A.FjE.aIzZWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) --001a11425c8239eace05266824cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, andy butler wrote: > what's it's latency as a midi processor? > ...and would it use a standard midi interface? > > ..and they've brought out a new ultra cheap version, =C2=A35 > i.e. less than 10 dollars/Euros > > Don't know about audio latency either...but could be a bright future ahea= d > for DIY > I've never measured the latency of the RPi, but using the CCRMA satellite linux distribution, the MIDI latency was in the range of "don't notice" to "don't care" which usually means about 20-30 ms in my case. https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~eberdahl/Satellite/ You can use *most* class compliant midi-usb devices with the RPi. There are lists of these things easily found online. I've since moved on to the arduino pro mini ($3) for my MIDI controller needs and I should try to build some midi processors from them as well. Sylvain --001a11425c8239eace05266824cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
what's it's latency as a midi processor?
...and would it use a standard midi interface?

..and they've brought out a new ultra cheap version, =C2=A35
i.e. less than 10 dollars/Euros

Don't know about audio latency either...but could be a bright futur= e ahead for DIY

I've never measured the l= atency of the RPi, but using the CCRMA satellite linux distribution, the MI= DI latency was in the range of "don't notice" to "don= 9;t care" which usually means about 20-30 ms in my case.=C2=A0


You can use *most* class compliant midi-usb devices with = the RPi. There are lists of these things easily found online.

I've since move= d on to the arduino pro mini ($3) for my MIDI controller needs and I should= try to build some midi processors from them as well.

Sylvain
--001a11425c8239eace05266824cb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 19:52:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90AC5101624; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Cg9d+9MGCdstPEl38Qfky+XDNaUgoOw/+SiesjZxUZ8=; b=F6NnIFP+MoYvd878nYO3eKsQEbN6J1ktrJpYJ5qtuyGLWgXfIpngt1LEhmuk531mBk V36FErcK9vgddtCFgUXyj9mPVTQ1ydf2hd7Wswi17U+XW7iPkJxhpxKDFyqGstXSnbRR 1GtuCKSRGMI2UwAjvGTimVDisJ2igRGdnEqkHW8MxrThIpJfWTVdxpfi4ntyHIfdbhoY BrscHWtylhs+OJqJlMVHZSpD8Osc4xbgPvxojyNbfGhY/LNyL4vFH3OG7L5XmVS0aFrI d609kCPgbD3SJpfLV1viOe0Dm2Aug73dso6Nf04OhEwTogHt1ZxP7oE0i4yGRIJ2JP0g 0IPA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.34.7 with SMTP id i7mr1732893ioi.32.1449604367356; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:52:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 11:52:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft Step From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140f36a6197e10526685134 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:52:48 +0000 (UTC) --001a1140f36a6197e10526685134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mine (bought used) doesn't hum that I'm aware of (though e-wire can do that and that is how the pedals are lit). Kevin On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Josh Elliott wrote: > Is it true that soft step 1 had him issues? > On Dec 8, 2015 11:15 AM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > wrote: > >> Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical >> operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme >> and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if >> you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and >> save some cash. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a1140f36a6197e10526685134 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mine (bought used) doesn't hum that I'm aware= of (though e-wire can do that and that is how the pedals are lit).

=
Kevin

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.= com> wrote:

= Is it true that soft step 1 had him issues?

On Dec 8, 2015 11:15 AM, "Kevin Cheli-Colan= do" <bill= owhead@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 an= d 2 are nearly identical operationally.=C2=A0 The 2 has a slightly differen= t layout and lighting scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise = they are the same.=C2=A0 So if you're using simple commands, no reason = why you can't buy a used SS 1 and save some cash.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously c= onsidered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal= ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi= (1879-1950)




--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the b= ody and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root c= ause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--001a1140f36a6197e10526685134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 19:59:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 648A9101624; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3tu0Y6K7VI+M0XcOsAMP1kw7vqCi21sipBM+EAg4ll0=; b=vSNyyVyWBb3smaLoil/X89H2HbWE+mg1bc9JAzgWlgWoFxBscjgUQvcWc9jKukdOsN BH4y6CSU2xvB7e7M3Hvvw7VPFsU/kwygbg7Y6Pjentjm/zkU8mPzsmtoLctL+9byiQV9 RaWg4k8ntwsM8EMAykqsgNV9wikHTRrCmAT/lj6RB2CUu5ux+XM50to9DKaNNPaexNuI cErkLKyBUHyHFaYMWj2/sa99+QNbOoaXzE6Nlf4NCxsiO/7lSt+Qxwi/p+W0YHKeSK3M ivm8Rq6Qg/nn36lXUiGez8PKrLj1c0FYYyYZTOSlP2UrnLHvbaUB70P40v/JvsEQ+9J2 15hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.4.208 with SMTP id 199mr579802lfe.96.1449604796173; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:59:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 13:59:55 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft Step From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fb8eaf0d5c50526686ad2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:59:57 +0000 (UTC) --001a113fb8eaf0d5c50526686ad2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It's very interesting that on the 12 step you can assign 5 midi notes to each button. That sounds like that could give you a lot of flexibility to control software whether it's Ableton, Mobius or whatever. I'm so close to getting Ableton to do what I want for looping without even using a VST plugin. Oh the struggle On Dec 8, 2015 1:52 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: > Mine (bought used) doesn't hum that I'm aware of (though e-wire can do > that and that is how the pedals are lit). > > Kevin > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> Is it true that soft step 1 had him issues? >> On Dec 8, 2015 11:15 AM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >> wrote: >> >>> Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical >>> operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme >>> and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if >>> you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and >>> save some cash. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> -- >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >>> trouble. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > --001a113fb8eaf0d5c50526686ad2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's very interesting that on the 12 step you can assign= 5 midi notes to each button. That sounds like that could give you a lot of= flexibility to control software whether it's Ableton, Mobius or whatev= er. I'm so close to getting Ableton to do what I want for looping witho= ut even using a VST plugin. Oh the struggle

On Dec 8, 2015 1:52 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Coland= o" <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
Mine (bought used) doesn't hum that I'm aware of (th= ough e-wire can do that and that is how the pedals are lit).

K= evin

On = Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:

Is it t= rue that soft step 1 had him issues?

On Dec 8, 2015 11:15 AM, "Kevin Cheli-Colan= do" <bill= owhead@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 an= d 2 are nearly identical operationally.=C2=A0 The 2 has a slightly differen= t layout and lighting scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise = they are the same.=C2=A0 So if you're using simple commands, no reason = why you can't buy a used SS 1 and save some cash.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously c= onsidered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal= ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi= (1879-1950)




--
Till n= ow you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. = That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--001a113fb8eaf0d5c50526686ad2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 8 21:47:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8346710162E; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 21:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: andy butler Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 21:48:04 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21990.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.497-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.497-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: nVQUmLJJeyYOwH4pD14DsPHkpkyUphL9AGtjp3Iz9Rttgs+j4FI3hPG3 99+Ui/td5v7J/XLKWDxJ+cnmYWmakyHqbiefdh/LNNHZMWDTEbeOLdNoOIKS/Xe9QDr8+LTc7LS XQ5tZaUj/Lbce1fi68B9mLTywZDkPIRBQJ4PqKb+628cXbnOhT30tCKdnhB58vqq8s2MNhPDFsa +Yz2ePk1BIVsvVu9ABJ0RPnyOnrZL9Ieg34k7aa08dgyc3i7XDYphJplWCbhMgSoOXzeSeL3tZy rVIUMOGpkLlL+ThacW+ZJyLi0hqtP4AcupRjApXBHaPS9gWAE/kYtFlRgyWCX6cBjZ6GKjkb1gR oCuXVj/426Gq/YxeEAlejLPBF+Bs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 21:47:49 +0000 (UTC) On 08/12/2015 19:40, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > > I've never measured the latency of the RPi, but using the CCRMA satellite linux distribution, the MIDI latency was in the range of "don't notice" to "don't care" which usually means about 20-30 ms in my case. :-( 5mS is about max for me (including response time of the looper) > > https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~eberdahl/Satellite/ > > You can use *most* class compliant midi-usb devices with the RPi. There are lists of these things easily found online. ta :-) > > I've since moved on to the arduino pro mini ($3) for my MIDI controller needs and I should try to build some midi processors from them as well. right, and maybe that gets 5mS ? > > Sylvain andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 01:52:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84086101632; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n+P7UiJK5f7ZwHN1dit4HjfEzUrwCXFRsEzmZGrviF0=; b=u0vZmyhpW3eEqjS6AKqd3b6kIqUX2402wzNu/mF7WRgFTRhA5OrHpDpVb8pwOjtHL6 Ui1B/+8kNamBf8lyzD6lr3UDx+dVM6x7VBx6WgPvbEK6LysIeIoxvWDbtl45jPKF1egU YxKwd4GIDfm1bdjXOAletmQZN4EkYXTT+KHAMerettG4Dr/g2ySdVH4Im6DIIvtR5fjm D1Tudz2ScHSdkFO1TK9kIQpaEnHYJ/thRVVeXF7HGEq6J1HmLzIRiIG2fvx/ofPvcGsw R7E6/MBUG6imlHsqslR4u1OLR77ikTPeQRGw9OKEjW7PMhS3GiFXuneCbOwuhJNHHmpw CCnA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.164.70 with SMTP id n67mr2541263vke.42.1449625948932; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:52:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 20:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114167bcbe52de05266d5776 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) --001a114167bcbe52de05266d5776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler wrote: > :-( 5mS is about max for me (including response time of the looper) As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could be lower... I really can't tell past a certain point. How would you measure this? You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond *immediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. The bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button debouncing... you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly to achieve less than 5ms latency. Sylvain --001a114167bcbe52de05266d5776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
:-(=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5mS is about ma= x for me (including response time of the looper)


As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could = be lower... I really can't tell past a certain point. How would you mea= sure this?

You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond *i= mmediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. Th= e bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button debouncing...= you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly to achieve l= ess than 5ms latency.

Sylvain
--001a114167bcbe52de05266d5776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 02:07:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809C910162D; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K9oBccjCGFTDVDJT2SE9IXsHKfW1KpSq0qVi69Ze9Q4=; b=jUgi3NyZUW+71UlP6TBD9V1t7+SFXLTyU/j0GiE8NYZY7j60O6mJ4VKN79klHd5/ES 5MsLTiYwfaCMGxhpqi1NSrIW5EQAH3awX85yP6ZMgGgku8wA8MYXVmXQQsYOtLYswSGJ KF2TA0wnoCefpiE3Y5FdE57EvVTDO/c7FLPeO2Wv6DMryTr6xJbINBcJSSDxDOl22lVw tSowcprHCVZKrwRb2HobDLsDCN/Fgev/oX2GqYADThLejHcvO9BBU+P5po7SJk/81u9J SfATGICvI5wutt0qDQc/Y4nR45j5IYRy/WUZ2mitwcYLzCWKOu7JjwIy+36yXOhB1fpg tsEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.4.208 with SMTP id 199mr1095541lfe.96.1449626831752; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:07:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 20:07:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fb8ea5d151205266d8ce3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:07:13 +0000 (UTC) --001a113fb8ea5d151205266d8ce3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I notice the conversation has shifted to latency. I know these amounts are small and probably not noticable. But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setups. If we have latency from the pedal push to the command coupled with the inherent latency of computer based systems where does that leave us? Especially for tight rhythmic work. It must not be too bad though because Alot of people use software/laptops/controllers live. Ed Sheeran now uses Mobius in Ableton with a custom made foot controller and his stuff sounds super tight. Granted he probably has a $5000 laptop. On Dec 8, 2015 7:52 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler > wrote: > >> :-( 5mS is about max for me (including response time of the looper) > > > > As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could be lower... I really can't > tell past a certain point. How would you measure this? > > You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond > *immediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. > The bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button > debouncing... you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly > to achieve less than 5ms latency. > > Sylvain > --001a113fb8ea5d151205266d8ce3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I notice the conversation has shifted to latency.

I know these amounts are small and probably not noticable. <= /p>

But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardw= are to software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( a= t least to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in = software setups.

If we have latency from the pedal push to the command couple= d with the inherent latency of computer based systems where does that leave= us? Especially for tight rhythmic work.

It must not be too bad though because Alot of people use sof= tware/laptops/controllers live.
Ed Sheeran now uses Mobius in Ableton with a custom made foot controller an= d his stuff sounds super tight. Granted he probably has a $5000 laptop.

On Dec 8, 2015 7:52 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <sylvain.trombone@gmai= l.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
:-(=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5mS is about ma= x for me (including response time of the looper)


As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could = be lower... I really can't tell past a certain point. How would you mea= sure this?

You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond *i= mmediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. Th= e bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button debouncing...= you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly to achieve l= ess than 5ms latency.

Sylvain
--001a113fb8ea5d151205266d8ce3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 02:41:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4336210162E; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kVDk/+EEs1Ak2cO20S0pXsQtA8AT4mKydGy5uPhvhcg=; b=QQeLWc53OnlHDGBEBrnXIiF6UhY7SOpaOm9fp9276OrE5f66szzPuuDfn4SHV2yHmB i9qyfhlDzMP5LtNiZOWWhukWytp8rfWUTjMbBaY7zpZ400Rb0CJ5v04PQHcGM/m8ufjT g3sV7tjaoqFBTqJgqY1IoRcX8YAXwS0tn7sxuLWkL7uGxpEm/Wx4XLtRp29HCnlR4/NU Edp1KrR29ihL2ZVyyYGG2y+64z1uPYDHDGftcc2pkZTGC7/IlHC52RLh4QATekhvNdO+ kQYNGsqHwoH5nRZ4DwBB4rTc/29dUX0GkUXBjgT8DtQ2Z3DkfSXOBtisPciPyBFyMrCt EkBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.54.78 with SMTP id d75mr2655933vka.122.1449628910413; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:41:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 21:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143e41c42ed1b05266e0801 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:41:51 +0000 (UTC) --001a1143e41c42ed1b05266e0801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott wrote: > But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software > Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to my > ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setups. > > Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstand can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conductors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their ears tell them is the right time. Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. * * * btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) Sylvain --001a1143e41c42ed1b05266e0801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:

But= ...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software Lo= oping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to my ears= ) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setups. <= /p>


Every instrument has latency. For= guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from= the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite = long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never = could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing= my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear th= em with my ears.=C2=A0

That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues= ... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teache= r). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before it= s time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' = high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes a= re in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.

T= here's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've = played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstan= d can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and = can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not= sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their = ears tell them is the right time.

Playing an electronic instrument with latency s= hould not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger= the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As wi= th most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reas= onable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I woul= dn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.<= /div>

* * *<= /div>
btw, you're thinking of using Live? One= way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize co= mmands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound= tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing,= just hit buttons. ;)

Sylvain
--001a1143e41c42ed1b05266e0801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 02:48:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F5210163F; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oAPYTXLKgd1FhPI9fq+bNxBgkkPDnVcZtHZ2sHHRKk8=; b=ILMAUkLfwtESvoeK4wlf0LZevvCITDCXzw6IU1/eres+RFb1k0WgpHNx4nwZsfOZ84 6DGOCLuEiGxNwEkjQ9E1uLT7pWgtp9E/wAY4AJiHDtXZG1OBdJQMJCqGTJbHIC/+1kfm SP4HXaHHRHx84FYpAK6eBNOJcvO73Mq7W6L6gsTLc3MvzZhSP17VPhrgzzUYFonlSxjE s0+isCqV2uMBWMiPJ0KaU5Z2nBwninTQr4nkkTB/EcA/pjd0D7wxHaNDvF8rvYgniRNo lNBww4a/7Uqoc9yv+2ZSiOnGdbSir7ocoAwBW5UMmUHdNK2sCK6wuYTEwOJU1rzK5moe 2qgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.129.233 with SMTP id nz9mr1314155lbb.112.1449629335250; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:48:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 20:48:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a839e9571f605266e2139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:48:56 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3a839e9571f605266e2139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But I want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments and voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map undo to a controller...so no room for mistakes. On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software >> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to my >> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setups. >> >> > Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from > somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to the > moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. > Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I play > trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bone > conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. > > That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take > longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I play > very low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to make > sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Through > practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if I > start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. > > There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've played > a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstand can > hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and can adjust > your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conductors. The > musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not sync > otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their ears > tell them is the right time. > > Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as > impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or functions > when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of music > playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of > course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an > obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. > > * * * > btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software deal > with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant times > (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually are. > Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) > > Sylvain > --047d7b3a839e9571f605266e2139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any late= ncy in my hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog oct= ave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me t= hough. But I want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instr= uments and voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how= to map undo to a controller...so no room for mistakes.

On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <sylvain.trombone@gmai= l.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com= > wrote:

But= ...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software Lo= oping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to my ears= ) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setups. <= /p>


Every instrument has latency. For= guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from= the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite = long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never = could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing= my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear th= em with my ears.=C2=A0

That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues= ... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teache= r). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before it= s time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' = high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes a= re in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.

T= here's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've = played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstan= d can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and = can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not= sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their = ears tell them is the right time.

Playing an electronic instrument with latency s= hould not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger= the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As wi= th most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reas= onable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I woul= dn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.<= /div>

* * *<= /div>
btw, you're thinking of using Live? One= way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize co= mmands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound= tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing,= just hit buttons. ;)

Sylvain
--047d7b3a839e9571f605266e2139-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 14:15:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6313E101610; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 158687 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:15:09 UTC Subject: Re: Soft Step References: To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net Message-ID: <5668376D.6020601@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:15:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-smarthost03d-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: <61Wry.A.d6B.tdDaWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Just so all you guitarists know.... The softstep 1 has a MAJOR issue with hum interference from the electroluminescent backlighting - despite what KMI have repeatedly claimed. It is NOT an earthing issue, it is an electro-magnetic coupling between the E-M pickups & the lighting circuit, which makes it unusable (for me) unless the backlighting is turned off (in settings). This might be a problem if you're using it in low light situations. If it wasn't a design fault (as they claim), why did KMI change the technology in the SS2? The SS2 doesn't suffer from this problem! So IMHO, whether you're using simple commands or complex scripts, AND a guitarist, this is a very good reason why you shouldn't think you can save some cash. Dave On 08/12/2015 17:15, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical > operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting > scheme and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the > same. So if you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy > a used SS 1 and save some cash. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 14:38:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1CCA101624; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: andy butler Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <56683CF4.6090305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:38:44 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080201070003040509070409" X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21992.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.743-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.743-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: WMT2WRIkHPMOwH4pD14DsPHkpkyUphL9W5iLiUwLYaOsafcFLFlU1BsE RFE0vHaj7D/s2ocvT28fSp9jHaK/4B2P280ZiGmR3FqOVb7PDEI9mHODD0GxcQAheUymmndfvg5 YzyExs5LQ1QvBQ92TD1xY9ab3xJSx8+0KUSz2xPqzI1v7J4hECkaFZr06XLdfhhC94pXkBxNUx5 oSrqlttlc/6cqg7NlBe6WbPqU19txzlHpqHXcblcDORqgKKiYqpNh/2/1+WiUHiwiF9OOogUqyU ztVRoTBJ6zQNCzU0+hXRH0Epjeea8gNYoWONkdvL4+sB3yBsckIUQiRW/XLrHlQgJBy8EXjeWwY le3v1YzZlZLiZFATHtlaF9pr2+yEF/TX9DyiMOtYKMMlFh4BnbmnDa2zGPi0YjjBDVir93QnPD2 aVm4HcPdoK1MEIGGXeTjw/FyRX6QfE8yM4pjsDzl/1fD/GopdWQy9YC5qGvxKdDgyPBo718tsHV jphDXtuobGhsqbz3U0JPRzVgcrkk2sGGOl1N/tu0NGvt54AeruJXahbFNDMJ2fomldtsFe9QtgZ HjA+l2+zzVVN5JPuExZnpldyyokCyuI9XXbSQTlszlSmn9VmWQQRDY6pSNXb5N7Jz5ZlVJqeIgd cubRwIy0LZ5SRFJEdISOLSkNwSanHrlMSXv5W0X8Lhg7Iq7k Resent-Message-ID: <1Eh3aB.A.ZEC.lzDaWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:38:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080201070003040509070409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 09/12/2015 01:52, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > :-( 5mS is about max for me (including response time of the looper) > > > > As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could be lower... I really can't tell past a certain point. How would you measure this? A 2 channel recording with the close mic'ed switch on one channel, and whatever the switch is triggering goes to the other channel. Then measure in a DAW ( Audition ) > > You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond *immediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. The bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button debouncing hmm, interesting > ... you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly to achieve less than 5ms latency. no, just trigger on the first signal and ignore any bounces for the next 10mS or so ( sounds clever huh.....Matthias told me) andy > > Sylvain --------------080201070003040509070409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 09/12/2015 01:52, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
:-(    5mS is about max for me (including response time of the looper)


As I said, I didn't measure it, so it could be lower... I really can't tell past a certain point. How would you measure this?

A 2 channel recording with the close mic'ed switch on one channel, and whatever the switch is triggering goes
to the other channel.  Then measure in a DAW ( Audition )



You can get the arduino to drop whatever it's doing and respond *immediately* to your button press if you use the hardware interrupt pins. The bulk of the latency would then be determined by your button debouncing
hmm, interesting


... you would have to use buttons that stop bouncing very quickly to achieve less than 5ms latency.
no, just trigger on the first signal and ignore any bounces for the next 10mS or so
( sounds clever huh.....Matthias told me)

andy

Sylvain

--------------080201070003040509070409-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 14:48:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F61101634; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: andy butler Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk Message-ID: <56683F57.70501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:48:55 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21992.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--5.858-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--5.858-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 5+1rHnqhWUQOwH4pD14DsPHkpkyUphL9TJDl9FKHbrm4a2U7iYmMblzl dD9ZJSy2Io2L2T4tFYhbJggoCJj+twJHp5HrFiLzma6DzXaohvNYfDj3hIJgkXepM/I+teqco8W MkQWv6iUD0yuKrQIMCBBWOoA5nlyNC24oEZ6SpSkj80Za3RRg8PTgIxN24kf1iSIiOJQLpHb5dB HHfT72svLW6BWHk7e4u+fH1yEpgXM= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) On 09/12/2015 02:48, Josh Elliott wrote: > > My Pog octave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. > ok, that changes things. From my experience of the Micro Pog (v. brief) I thought the latency on the down octave was small enough not to notice...at least in the shop anyway. The up octave I'm guessing at about 10mS. So, you're not going to like monitoring through a laptop :-( Unless your Pog is some high latency model (?) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 16:08:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91B2101617; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=a+k8RPOv6IlQVwOK9kNiRkSkkpbTu7k6cMOfNXV5Cc4=; b=mm97ikFeNw+lwVed1WYEqJc/0TGjks8Dh4vebse6ctLllAvXr9FMfAMt+OHOxwSgHR cTd8uV9bS+wwNvx0YRfrVT3D+hYa7UAojZTHHuOH1mHttWIpuxu3vR0PU8vRRzX8cCp/ Q+Mc9GR/+VfcZiRoeGxIp8dh192r/zwrL9Gw4NGf/ucIPrpQNfytx3cay2ZszyogiI5e H9eqZrO5xdcRtBmqKu3j2OwFzuJ7ge9N4LCIanDqiY8fjr9bvpcjFyaZuiRV7l+RUjE2 oarLGf0yPu2CCy3mTHh0axElZN3RJryDzd0fNln1MqRQHjiYXWldZL98F81ONecKbZUp 8vZQ== X-Received: by 10.194.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr6883687wjb.7.1449677291439; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 08:08:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a64fece940526794b41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:08:12 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf10a64fece940526794b41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I rece= ntly bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2=80= =99m AMAZED at how smooth and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u ca= n set it to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which ca= n be set to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb keyb= oards and perhaps other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now in the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input = for some geeky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is j= ust, that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like = these devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other th= an that (which is pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency obviously audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this= , and or know devices that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have ne= ver bothered with all this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own u= sb midi pedal stomp box I=E2=80=99d wanna know more about this. Personal experience= with the Novation Remote and Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the software responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80= =A6 On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott wrote= : > Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my > hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(fo= r > bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But I > want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments and > voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map undo = to > a controller...so no room for mistakes. > On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" > wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> >>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to software >>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to m= y >>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setup= s. >>> >>> >> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from >> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to th= e >> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. >> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I p= lay >> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bone >> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >> >> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take >> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I play >> very low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to mak= e >> sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Thro= ugh >> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if I >> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >> >> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've >> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the >> bandstand can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for = it >> and can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have >> conductors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they >> could not sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time >> that their ears tell them is the right time. >> >> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as >> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or function= s >> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of mus= ic >> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of >> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an >> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >> >> * * * >> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software deal >> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant ti= mes >> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually are. >> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >> >> Sylvain >> > --=20 Torben Scharling --047d7bf10a64fece940526794b41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this t= hread, but I recently bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logit= ech g502 and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how smooth and precise the optical senso= r is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u can set it to raw input. That m= eans it bypasses whatever settings and things the drivers etc. do in window= s or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to run the mouse movement. Me= aning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which can be set to 1000Hz (quite = an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of course, and I assum= e the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb keyboards and perhaps o= ther periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now in th= e game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for some gee= ky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is just= , that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda lik= e these devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything = other than that (which is pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round= trip latency obviously audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I= think it should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience= with this, and or know devices that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce laten= cy? I would have never bothered with all this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinki= ng of building my own usb midi pedal stomp box I=E2=80=99d wanna know more = about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remote and Novation Remot= e SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the software responded to h= itting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is an= y latency in my hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My P= og octave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bug= s me though. But I want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic= instruments and voice through it. I have it working but can't figure o= ut how to map undo to a controller...so no room for mistakes.

On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <syl= vain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from har= dware to software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight(= at least to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue i= n software setups.


Every instrument has latency. For= guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from= the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite = long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never = could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing= my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear th= em with my ears.=C2=A0

That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues= ... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teache= r). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before it= s time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' = high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes a= re in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.

T= here's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've = played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstan= d can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and = can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not= sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their = ears tell them is the right time.

Playing an electronic instrument with latency s= hould not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger= the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As wi= th most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reas= onable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I woul= dn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.<= /div>

* * *<= /div>
btw, you're thinking of using Live? One= way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize co= mmands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound= tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing,= just hit buttons. ;)

Sylvain



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Torben Scharling
--047d7bf10a64fece940526794b41-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 16:15:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D73210163D; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QyOPiuxFhGxkabsm6xtdTOlRcBugrGd5WHw03xkPPXU=; b=aOJrwrrkVyWANwUq6GseetRYD1gwjzXmRQKTNnWRaRMMFngQqKIkdmtUvcE5d3rsgL y9OtbMElGzYc2Z0OkZGXNMJ3cVuoh6JEVKHrb/HeIL7x4nSNLhvv90n7BdB14cQxlASX Cv8epjAd8URq4OiLIkLB+OvUJOE8SGEbFYUKgt3uNWOwGsrmDXuXj/uX3m5rpQzCb6Q0 X2j9QYbLb0wrJlPwCFVj6hca1soDQ+TQrGHXDu5Fj7qvA6eqBBCBsUpUqIYL42panxu/ A3KSgXryCba2YjWmsen5cP1wB1q0rJPDtdDDRRZhoaVcBKhhTu5jTPkZHWN/m3PiDJO6 unYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.91.11 with SMTP id p11mr2710512lfb.35.1449677727055; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 08:15:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:15:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I re= cently > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2=80= =99m AMAZED at how smooth > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u = can set it > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which = can be set > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb ke= yboards and perhaps > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now in > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for some= geeky > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is just,= that I > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like these= devices, > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other than that= (which is > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency obviously > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should be as > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and or kn= ow devices > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never bothere= d with all > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pedal st= omp box I=E2=80=99d > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remote = and > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the softwar= e > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott wro= te: >> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(f= or >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But = I >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments and >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map undo= to >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to softwar= e >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to = my >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setu= ps. >>> >>> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to t= he >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I = play >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bone >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >>> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I play= very >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to make su= re >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Through >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if = I >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >>> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the band= stand >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and ca= n >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not = sync >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their ea= rs >>> tell them is the right time. >>> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or functio= ns >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of mu= sic >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >>> >>> * * * >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software dea= l >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant t= imes >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually are. >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >>> >>> Sylvain > > > > > -- > Torben Scharling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 16:24:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762E4101632; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DROUooTNv2mLQ85S8XFVPeEnL/ZueXmzivGbnbwL7cY=; b=YOhjHVnaAYYiCtvPEU568vBXlyFnKrgG83lqF9gt2ZkwDc+OvB1IG5KdCTTmOXnyw8 s1jyWbDbP4YjvcaVYSVydMB+0TgEBgldPknjxNYpOtSItkMfTEwnf7+S/HHMWCdNvZk7 hM7NNvRxsIRKQXQmiRoaktyYxkrScjPkQ7xYd8gwOjTjxThTAHkii24FlnYXzH/imwR7 d69N39MhaV2aCCHxQALbSD6Pvo6Dc3ijx8Gd0idhUTATwB3Iz0Luw6oKQ3B4Mrb0KSdl czh8ip8hqva26ll0lfh22ibgQR34eWIAI3i7rXLLJqgENa0u0D6lryYT0Zv7CfQVewTO 58Zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.182.8 with SMTP id ea8mr2813014lbc.114.1449678292170; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 08:24:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 10:24:51 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37320a4c06a05267987e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:24:53 +0000 (UTC) --001a11c37320a4c06a05267987e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting Torben. This makes me wonder though somewhat unrelated if you could use a mouse to control XY points on a plug in effect something like a kaoss pad. that would be cool. speaking of novation I just read an in depth article with Goyte. They use ableton and launchpad extensively for their live set with various controllers. He said they just use a basic MacBook but he updated it with a solid state hard drive and they never have any problems On Dec 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Torben Scharling" wrote: > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I re= cently > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2=80= =99m AMAZED at how smooth > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u = can set it > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which = can be set > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb ke= yboards and > perhaps other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os > x..Now in the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw inpu= t for some > geeky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is= just, > that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda lik= e these > devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other = than that > (which is pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency > obviously audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it > should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with th= is, and or > know devices that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have = never > bothered with all this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own= usb midi > pedal stomp box I=E2=80=99d wanna know more about this. Personal experien= ce with > the Novation Remote and Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the > delay before the software responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80= =A6 > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(f= or >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But = I >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments and >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map undo= to >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to softwar= e >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least to = my >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software setu= ps. >>>> >>>> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to t= he >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I = play >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bone >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >>> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I play >>> very low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to ma= ke >>> sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Thr= ough >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if = I >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >>> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the >>> bandstand can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for= it >>> and can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have >>> conductors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, the= y >>> could not sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the tim= e >>> that their ears tell them is the right time. >>> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or functio= ns >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of mu= sic >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >>> >>> * * * >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software dea= l >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant t= imes >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually are. >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >>> >>> Sylvain >>> >> > > > -- > Torben Scharling > --001a11c37320a4c06a05267987e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Interesting Torben. This makes me wonder though somewhat unr= elated if you could use a mouse to control XY=C2=A0 points on a plug in eff= ect something like a kaoss pad. that would be cool. speaking of novation I = just read an in depth article with Goyte. They use ableton and launchpad=C2= =A0 extensively for their live set with various controllers. He said they j= ust use a basic MacBook but he updated it with a solid state hard drive and= they never have any problems

On Dec 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Torben Scharling&= quot; <torbenscharling@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this = thread, but I recently bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logi= tech g502 and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how smooth and precise the optical sens= or is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u can set it to raw input. That = means it bypasses whatever settings and things the drivers etc. do in windo= ws or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to run the mouse movement. M= eaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which can be set to 1000Hz (quite= an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of course, and I assu= me the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb keyboards and perhaps = other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now in t= he game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for some ge= eky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is jus= t, that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda li= ke these devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything= other than that (which is pro gamer level instant fast) and then your roun= d trip latency obviously audio wise should be set as low as possible, then = I think it should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experienc= e with this, and or know devices that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce late= ncy? I would have never bothered with all this, but since I=E2=80=99m think= ing of building my own usb midi pedal stomp box I=E2=80=99d wanna know more= about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remote and Novation Remo= te SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the software responded to = hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is a= ny latency in my hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My = Pog octave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bu= gs me though. But I want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acousti= c instruments and voice through it. I have it working but can't figure = out how to map undo to a controller...so no room for mistakes.

On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <syl= vain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from har= dware to software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight(= at least to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue i= n software setups.


Every instrument has latency. For= guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from= the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite = long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never = could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing= my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear th= em with my ears.=C2=A0

That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues= ... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teache= r). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before it= s time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' = high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes a= re in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.

T= here's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've = played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstan= d can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and = can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not= sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their = ears tell them is the right time.

Playing an electronic instrument with latency s= hould not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger= the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As wi= th most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reas= onable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I woul= dn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.<= /div>

* * *<= /div>
btw, you're thinking of using Live? One= way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize co= mmands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound= tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing,= just hit buttons. ;)

Sylvain



--
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Torben Scharling
--001a11c37320a4c06a05267987e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 16:35:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 282A6101635; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=EmSueNx74h5pxXUqpiHA92Fprsj7ZlqZk51xSMnS4jU=; b=PFpe6L8OKtosgRLH5/D/J+Mnz3jFKVJugzHDWDuJ3pfXbUJWzko6tV5D+CsYvh6d/6 DwL0Km3C/ZXnprwCOt3Jm9r2vU1ScSQuZ8siCoGkSL1I9u7D8y+n8I7F6N5XJ8nPFb1s 2iR6wZGenYMRGydJ/sf8Q7Y+zap+hAYlYeT2/3VrCOxPAuEYt+lv04ismBmLXCbMyogo BXseOtJZFz05aEPj+PUd5pChdiF0LQi2ci67lglwIGm3LxY3jgdUv6UZtwnZtFpChTDV V+3/DQeZAuLwE+iBHdGJcfWcxz1iXRjGgpbJyKQ9iI3/Z45unDOpjhuljgbU4K+NaFgN ecug== X-Received: by 10.28.65.213 with SMTP id o204mr34223441wma.83.1449678911920; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 08:35:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:34:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148ef949564c8052679ac26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:35:14 +0000 (UTC) --001a1148ef949564c8052679ac26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=98yes i should mention this was before installing an ssd in my MBP s= o maybe that helps =E2=80=9Cenough=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99m sure you could but will yo= u be using a mouse live? If so, one of the points of these =E2=80=9Cgaming=E2=80=9D mices is that th= ey have no accelleration and prediction, that=E2=80=99s a good thing if you wanna do a= ny serious precise work. You then can rely on muscle memory and do tasts without thinking=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 :) On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Josh Elliott wrote= : > Interesting Torben. This makes me wonder though somewhat unrelated if you > could use a mouse to control XY points on a plug in effect something lik= e > a kaoss pad. that would be cool. speaking of novation I just read an in > depth article with Goyte. They use ableton and launchpad extensively for > their live set with various controllers. He said they just use a basic > MacBook but he updated it with a solid state hard drive and they never ha= ve > any problems > On Dec 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Torben Scharling" > wrote: > >> Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I r= ecently >> bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2= =80=99m AMAZED at how smooth >> and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u= can set it >> to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the >> drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers t= o >> run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which= can be set >> to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of >> course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb k= eyboards and >> perhaps other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os >> x..Now in the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw inp= ut for some >> geeky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point i= s just, >> that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda li= ke these >> devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other= than that >> (which is pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency >> obviously audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it >> should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with t= his, and or >> know devices that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have= never >> bothered with all this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my ow= n usb midi >> pedal stomp box I=E2=80=99d wanna know more about this. Personal experie= nce with >> the Novation Remote and Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the >> delay before the software responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2= =80=A6 >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott >> wrote: >> >>> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my >>> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(= for >>> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But= I >>> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments an= d >>> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map und= o to >>> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >>> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to >>>>> software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at= least >>>>> to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in softwa= re >>>>> setups. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from >>>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to = the >>>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup. >>>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... I= play >>>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bon= e >>>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >>>> >>>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take >>>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I pla= y >>>> very low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to m= ake >>>> sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Th= rough >>>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even if= I >>>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >>>> >>>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've >>>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the >>>> bandstand can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening fo= r it >>>> and can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras hav= e >>>> conductors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, th= ey >>>> could not sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the ti= me >>>> that their ears tell them is the right time. >>>> >>>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as >>>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or functi= ons >>>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of m= usic >>>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. Of >>>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it an >>>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software >>>> deal with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically rele= vant >>>> times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actual= ly >>>> are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >>>> >>>> Sylvain >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Torben Scharling >> > --=20 Torben Scharling --001a1148ef949564c8052679ac26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=E2=80=98yes i should mention this was before installing a= n ssd in my MBP so maybe that helps =E2=80=9Cenough=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99m s= ure you could but will you be using a mouse live? If so, one of the points = of these =E2=80=9Cgaming=E2=80=9D mices is that they have no accelleration = and prediction, that=E2=80=99s a good thing if you wanna do any serious pre= cise work. You then can rely on muscle memory and do tasts without thinking= =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 :)

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Josh Elliott &l= t;jrelliott500@= gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting Torben. This makes me wonder though somewhat unrelated= if you could use a mouse to control XY=C2=A0 points on a plug in effect so= mething like a kaoss pad. that would be cool. speaking of novation I just r= ead an in depth article with Goyte. They use ableton and launchpad=C2=A0 ex= tensively for their live set with various controllers. He said they just us= e a basic MacBook but he updated it with a solid state hard drive and they = never have any problems

On Dec 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Torben Scharling&= quot; <to= rbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly = glanced over this thread, but I recently bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mou= se=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how smooth and precis= e the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, u can set it t= o raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the driver= s etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers to run the= mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Which can be se= t to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse of = course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb keyb= oards and perhaps other periferals as well..just as with running core audio= in os x..Now in the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw= input for some geeky reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyw= ay my point is just, that I guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers tha= t can run kinda like these devices, thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have t= o do with anything other than that (which is pro gamer level instant fast) = and then your round trip latency obviously audio wise should be set as low = as possible, then I think it should be as good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys h= ave more experience with this, and or know devices that for sure don=E2=80= =99t introduce latency? I would have never bothered with all this, but sinc= e I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pedal stomp box I=E2=80= =99d wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remo= te and Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the so= ftware responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48= AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes that makes alot of sense. I= suppose if there is any latency in my hardware rig..I've grown used to= it after 2 years. My Pog octave pedal(for bass lines) has bad latency..but= I adjust to it. It bugs me though. But I want to use live like a hardware = pedal..running acoustic instruments and voice through it. I have it working= but can't figure out how to map undo to a controller...so no room for = mistakes.

On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras&qu= ot; <syl= vain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jr= elliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from har= dware to software Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight(= at least to my ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue i= n software setups.


Every instrument has latency. For= guitarist, the sound is coming from somewhere onstage and the latency from= the moment they play a note to the moment they hear the note can be quite = long, depending on their setup. Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never = could get used to that... I play trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing= my notes in my head through bone conduction very slightly before I hear th= em with my ears.=C2=A0

That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues= ... Low notes take longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teache= r). When I play very low notes, I have to think to start the note before it= s time to make sure the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' = high notes. Through practice, I've internalized that and my low notes a= re in time, even if I start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.

T= here's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've = played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the bandstan= d can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and = can adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have conduct= ors. The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could not= sync otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their = ears tell them is the right time.

Playing an electronic instrument with latency s= hould not be seen as impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger= the notes or functions when you need to for the music to be in sync. As wi= th most aspect of music playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reas= onable) latency. Of course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I woul= dn't make it an obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.<= /div>

* * *<= /div>
btw, you're thinking of using Live? One= way that and other software deal with controller latency is to quantize co= mmands to musically relevant times (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound= tighter than you actually are. Never mind all that stuff about practicing,= just hit buttons. ;)

Sylvain



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Torben Scharling
--001a1148ef949564c8052679ac26-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 17:49:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E8E10132E; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: Foot Controllers. References: <566839D3.6080701@zen.co.uk> Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Dave Draper X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <566839D3.6080701@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <566869A4.7020408@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:49:24 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566839D3.6080701@zen.co.uk> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-smarthost03b-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:49:24 +0000 (UTC) sorry - used wrong email addy; hope this works



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Subject: Re: Re: Foot Controllers.
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:25:23 +0000
From: DaveDraper <dave.draper@zen.co.uk>
Reply-To: dave.draper@zen.co.uk
To: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com




On 08/12/2015 18:46, andy butler wrote:


On 07/12/2015 19:17, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Don't know if the Mcmillen gear has such features as options for
"longpress function doesn't happen until you release the switch",
which is kind of a deal if you want to set up your most efficient

I don't believe the KMI controllers will let you do this specific trick, but I haven't kept up on the firmware updates.

I can see how important these options would be for controlling hardware, but for computers, if you need something like this, you can easily make it happen in Bidule, PD, Max or whatever.

really?
I think it would be quite complex in Bidule.
You'd have to first create some kind of timer component.

...or you did it already?




Well I managed to do it in bidule - not easy I admit, because I redid the whole editor thing, but basically using an accumulator, if the count goes over the max set in the accumulator, the rollover trigger sends out a different CC which does something else!

If anyone's into bidule (and softstep) there's a version (probably not my latest) of the controller on the forums somewhere - oh it's at http://www.plogue.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5733&p=33679&hilit=softstep+controller#p33679  and looks like it's way out of date! I'll post an update soon, but I think the functionality is pretty much all there for you to mess around with if you've got a couple of weeks .....:(

Dave!





From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 9 18:04:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55FF6101324; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=vTCRpM7u1b7rqMmhDBTN7n7lecV8i+pamKcIB+mbUoU=; b=x15pEcIr3x8y/j6zg9KwCBvgV3mAxpMCuNixhX5Oz8r3dev8Y0lnsPKOLKjeha5qqH ZiHQBwUFx1+KKU+aGX5wrLk/zqyMtKT07H1qfIkltn3UFwRFUWF7uPQChAD1RukEi8PQ sZWs3LSbSKJx1gvQdNeex9i7+vHPBdcSFQsFJ5NWNiEM0BWw/1azudhilYtVOPyz3hVp LvrVWuIaYh5U4jU0m1Z2XHGP3ykV94oIxpCiwi41PDgUVfTIFvMuQx0sZ4MuoOhsfZXv nqCEVOkFFjA6R/CdM9PUXz59SsYlHMHxD7BPbvXQAaspK99EJ1o4dCw88qk5AzpHpRqv qzrw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.34.7 with SMTP id i7mr6905147ioi.32.1449684290182; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 10:04:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5668376D.6020601@virgin.net> References: <5668376D.6020601@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 10:04:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Soft Step From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140f36a2725b105267aeda8 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:04:51 +0000 (UTC) --001a1140f36a2725b105267aeda8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As a guitarist I can say I haven't noticed any problems of this sort but ymmv. Good to know you should check this stuff out in advance. Kevin On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Dave Draper wrote: > Just so all you guitarists know.... > > The softstep 1 has a MAJOR issue with hum interference from the > electroluminescent backlighting - despite what KMI have repeatedly claimed. > > It is NOT an earthing issue, it is an electro-magnetic coupling between > the E-M pickups & the lighting circuit, which makes it unusable (for me) > unless the backlighting is turned off (in settings). This might be a > problem if you're using it in low light situations. > > If it wasn't a design fault (as they claim), why did KMI change the > technology in the SS2? The SS2 doesn't suffer from this problem! > > So IMHO, whether you're using simple commands or complex scripts, AND a > guitarist, this is a very good reason why you shouldn't think you can save > some cash. > > Dave > > > On 08/12/2015 17:15, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical >> operationally. The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme >> and a slightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same. So if >> you're using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 and >> save some cash. >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a1140f36a2725b105267aeda8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a guitarist I can say I haven't noticed a= ny problems of this sort but ymmv.

Good to know you should che= ck this stuff out in advance.

Kevin

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Da= ve Draper <dh.draper@virgin.net> wrote:
Just so all you guitarists know....

The softstep 1 has a MAJOR issue with hum interference from the electrolumi= nescent backlighting - despite what KMI have repeatedly claimed.

It is NOT an earthing issue, it is an electro-magnetic coupling between the= E-M pickups & the lighting circuit, which makes it unusable (for me) u= nless the backlighting is turned off (in settings). This might be a problem= if you're using it in low light situations.

If it wasn't a design fault (as they claim), why did KMI change the tec= hnology in the SS2? The SS2 doesn't suffer from this problem!

So IMHO, whether you're using simple commands or complex scripts, AND a= guitarist, this is a very good reason why you shouldn't think you can = save some cash.

Dave


On 08/12/2015 17:15, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
Just so you all know, the Softstep 1 and 2 are nearly identical operational= ly.=C2=A0 The 2 has a slightly different layout and lighting scheme and a s= lightly faster processor but otherwise they are the same.=C2=A0 So if you&#= 39;re using simple commands, no reason why you can't buy a used SS 1 an= d save some cash.

Kevin

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Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)





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Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the b= ody and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root c= ause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--001a1140f36a2725b105267aeda8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 10 05:04:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 786A81015B7; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=i3j6y5+stq4Lg8rNbirgNUhG5OlV8O6ar6zo+8d88iw=; b=ILg+bdqnhdXG55yoqhcnrJrnjbR3hV87heUzm0JIlsw0BmxQqPhgvv/Icx9PUC4raI 9TfVuhwpQ2odQLWjn2Tld/BCCtXmGCbQWuEi3zotw4RGB4SSaym9vZfMCJt6fh2cCrKc WTPsjCr1pRHzSiTqWB6MuNCDXjcGN/bHE0HriqMUEgdoKaXBVUBCdqjxHxHxP5bWOek8 F8iXfT2O0x5yABa3diC9cOw5LfhklVCPrPsiNbNcQQ8wkEpbFqkmR0AlgNrncyFBvSL7 torqr4FiZPB4ympuX0T7FfAfwpkJOeOlJwX8YG6YGrmOAsbCGuX/5rmXKxCewvPRVvAS Iw7A== X-Received: by 10.28.35.66 with SMTP id j63mr16012201wmj.10.1449723894673; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:04:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mcyanchak@gmail.com From: Mike Why Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:04:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -hHJZcr3utE2rLv1bO3zyUToSgU Message-ID: Subject: Attn. NorCal Loopers -- Help out an International Live Looper in SF? (not me this time!! :) ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: penkyx@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113eb0aec3b4ed0526842550 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:04:55 +0000 (UTC) --001a113eb0aec3b4ed0526842550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey NorCal Loop Folks -- hope you're all doing awesome! Missed being able to do Y2K this year, for sure. I'm reaching out on behalf of David Yassine from Belgium -- anyone who follows vocal/beatbox looping knows him by PENKYX, he was the runner up at the Grand Beatbox Battle in Switzerland this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Fi9GHEOnQ He is CC'd -- penkyx@gmail.com -- I think he'll be joining the list shortly as well. Anyway, he's going to land in San Francisco in very short order because of hitting a snag with his work/touring in Salt Lake, impulsively decided to go visit y'all because NorCal is awesome. Knows very few people. Highly talented beatboxer and looper. *Please* reach out to him if you or someone you know has the ability to help with lodging/meals, show opportunities, etc.!! If you were abroad and stuck you'd want the same thing! #L00PERunity Thanks! Mike Yanchak (Mike Why) Pittsburgh, PA -- *M *O D E R N *M* O U T H *M *U S I C Mike Why: One Man Band Without the Band *A* u d i o | Sampler (2m) | *V* i d e o | Intro (1m) | Stock (2m) | Demo (6m) *All video samples filmed live in one take using original music.* Facebook /LikeMikeWhy | YouTube /MikeWhyVideos | Twitter- @MikeWhyTweets General Booking: Chris at Fuzion - 412.760.7970 Arts in Education: Heidi at Gateway - 412.362.6982 One man. One mic. One record. The *Run My Mouth* EP. Listen | Download | Order --001a113eb0aec3b4ed0526842550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a113eb0aec3b4ed0526842550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 02:42:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 609241015D5; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=dLhsndhi5TmtXHPp4oyHqj8CIhyMUvENOkbMRHaQAHU=; b=oYnbu4Psd1NFBTbaT59iSznaTvLeK35WVk9hCsy7/RBmG+OejOtWHFkoXUkplp9DPB lld8yDbEYE5jEM4ELuNUKycFv2Q9h3mdwDciLK+QEikBWOw1BghmUPO0jQ9eVrRIhhOU HGkh8AXE156s9snTBdYOo3Muu/DuWDrH/FvAngr+j905JyaJAJdZ1nesjyIZ4fYusohL 4dmp+nWLiYKjb3/3yGQKOfSuZrpJOzRE5TiXHEw6qJkIz5X0PmjEuJMHS9AgjM+aNug+ SUrPZ8JNdhXdPI/Jz7xRYmnYQpItVPT3Wj+1KBlBPwOxAUWXJ/4NcQRpc+tJ64eWTsuO PeWg== X-Received: by 10.28.30.14 with SMTP id e14mr2481071wme.83.1449801747227; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b3624236a0c05269646c4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:42:28 +0000 (UTC) --001a114b3624236a0c05269646c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a new = can of worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundcard an= d perhaps sometimes using a projector for it as well. I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which are (eventually) all digital wireless. So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purchase as well as a stand for it. So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without much chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So what do you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with more of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and maybe so= me controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something that=E2= =80=99s workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, or kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) I=E2= =80=99ve also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could be in front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda like a drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing position when need be :) Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, /Torben Scharling - Copenhagen On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key > commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB > computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue > table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and > totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius > pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I = recently > > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2= =80=99m AMAZED at how > smooth > > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games, = u can set > it > > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the > > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers = to > > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Whic= h can be > set > > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse o= f > > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb = keyboards and > perhaps > > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now = in > > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for so= me geeky > > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is jus= t, that I > > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like the= se > devices, > > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other than th= at (which > is > > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency obviousl= y > > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should be = as > > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and or = know > devices > > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never bothe= red with > all > > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pedal = stomp box > I=E2=80=99d > > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remot= e > and > > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the > software > > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott > wrote: > >> > >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my > >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave > pedal(for > >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. Bu= t > I > >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments a= nd > >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map > undo to > >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. > >> > >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to > software > >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least t= o > my > >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software > setups. > >>> > >>> > >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming from > >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note to > the > >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setup= . > >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that... = I > play > >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through bo= ne > >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. > >>> > >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take > >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I > play very > >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to make > sure > >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Throug= h > >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even i= f > I > >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. > >>> > >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've > >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the > bandstand > >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and > can > >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have > conductors. > >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could no= t > sync > >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their > ears > >>> tell them is the right time. > >>> > >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as > >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or > functions > >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of > music > >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. O= f > >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it a= n > >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. > >>> > >>> * * * > >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software > deal > >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevant > times > >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually ar= e. > >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) > >>> > >>> Sylvain > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Torben Scharling > > --=20 Torben Scharling --001a114b3624236a0c05269646c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need = to open up a new can of worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here:=C2=A0
Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands.

=C2=A0I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundc= ard and perhaps sometimes using a projector for it as well.=C2=A0
I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instru= ments which are (eventually) all digital wireless.=C2=A0

So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way.= =C2=A0

I will probably for some shows use a keyboa= rd that I have yet to purchase as well as a stand for it.

So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on witho= ut much chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So= what do you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go w= ith more of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and= maybe some controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like someth= ing that=E2=80=99s workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop= to one side, or kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when= need be :) I=E2=80=99ve also thought of having one where I could put it so= low, that it could be in front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalb= oard, and then kinda like a drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting = or maybe even standing position when need be :)

Ch= eers, and Feliz Navidad,

/Torben Scharling
- C= openhagen

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Cool idea, Torben= ! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key
commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB
computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue
table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and
totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius
pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling
<torbenscharling@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I= recently
> bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2= =80=99m AMAZED at how smooth
> and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games,= u can set it
> to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the<= br> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers= to
> run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Whi= ch can be set
> to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse = of
> course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb= keyboards and perhaps
> other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now= in
> the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for s= ome geeky
> reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is ju= st, that I
> guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like th= ese devices,
> thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other than t= hat (which is
> pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency obvious= ly
> audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should be= as
> good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and or= know devices
> that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never both= ered with all
> this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pedal= stomp box I=E2=80=99d
> wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remo= te and
> Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the soft= ware
> responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <
jrelliott500@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in= my
>> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octa= ve pedal(for
>> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though= . But I
>> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instrumen= ts and
>> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how t= o map undo to
>> a controller...so no room for mistakes.
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from har= dware to software
>>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( = at least to my
>>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue = in software setups.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is comi= ng from
>>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a = note to the
>>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on thei= r setup.
>>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to t= hat... I play
>>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head= through bone
>>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears.
>>>
>>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... = Low notes take
>>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). Wh= en I play very
>>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time t= o make sure
>>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high no= tes. Through
>>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in t= ime, even if I
>>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start.
>>>
>>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musici= ans. I've
>>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of= the bandstand
>>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening = for it and can
>>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras hav= e conductors.
>>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they c= ould not sync
>>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that= their ears
>>> tell them is the right time.
>>>
>>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be se= en as
>>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the not= es or functions
>>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most asp= ect of music
>>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) lat= ency. Of
>>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn'= t make it an
>>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it.
>>>
>>> * * *
>>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other= software deal
>>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically r= elevant times
>>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actu= ally are.
>>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. = ;)
>>>
>>> Sylvain
>
>
>
>
> --
> Torben Scharling




--
Torben Scharling
=
--001a114b3624236a0c05269646c4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 10:10:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B751015E8; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FlGwRAUTjbkmXDHy72felgLGUMQ6oC8jzesRhSmdVQ0=; b=cj0y+6p4KAY2/+WORbzKJwUtszwJbVrYHM5dPvc9miEkjnyKLcfqDdyaNMP890fqqk iaj/G/qYgWUmU793xbfkUxPswO/BEpalQxoNXGhH/1sol1une+DGzrlb/xaFuauh4egX JLC36XBMkyhR70Og9hRRSR2C1u56b50+/HIZP8dtmBzxS1vHLUBw/ky9W6caLDcUiQku h2i+8GtahHB16Zy9rru1ZfNQAg+gN0s8jpR6lF+oHmEeRHoxtDdjTfpBQYjmQ12bEUs8 gmTptcCrOycjToMdwSTHc6dveS1y3wcDvxekradioncbRLtOq5FEdJZQ/WIa2uAxFLDP PLKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.143.70 with SMTP id sc6mr7777657lbb.15.1449828610957; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:10:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:10:12 +0000 (UTC) My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around the venue for a piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low for you to reach knobs now and then. My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a ne= w can of > worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: > > Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. > > I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundcard = and perhaps > sometimes using a projector for it as well. > > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which ar= e > (eventually) all digital wireless. > > So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. > > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purchase= as > well as a stand for it. > > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without muc= h > chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So what = do > you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with mor= e > of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and maybe = some > controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something that= =E2=80=99s > workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, or > kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) I= =E2=80=99ve > also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could be = in > front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda lik= e a > drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing > position when need be :) > > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, > > /Torben Scharling > - Copenhagen > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB >> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue >> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling >> wrote: >> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but I= recently >> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I=E2= =80=99m AMAZED at how >> > smooth >> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in games,= u can set >> > it >> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things the >> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drivers >> > to >> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. Whi= ch can be >> > set >> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mouse = of >> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D usb= keyboards and >> > perhaps >> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..Now >> > in >> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for s= ome geeky >> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is ju= st, that I >> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like th= ese >> > devices, >> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other than t= hat (which >> > is >> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency obvious= ly >> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should be >> > as >> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and or= know >> > devices >> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never both= ered with >> > all >> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pedal= stomp box >> > I=E2=80=99d >> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation Remo= te >> > and >> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the >> > software >> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in my >> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave >> >> pedal(for >> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. B= ut >> >> I >> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instruments >> >> and >> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map >> >> undo to >> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to >> >>>> software >> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at least = to >> >>>> my >> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software >> >>>> setups. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming fro= m >> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note t= o >> >>> the >> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their setu= p. >> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to that...= I >> >>> play >> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through >> >>> bone >> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >> >>> >> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes take >> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I >> >>> play very >> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to make >> >>> sure >> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. Throu= gh >> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, even = if >> >>> I >> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >> >>> >> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I've >> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the >> >>> bandstand >> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it and >> >>> can >> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have >> >>> conductors. >> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could n= ot >> >>> sync >> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that their >> >>> ears >> >>> tell them is the right time. >> >>> >> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen as >> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or >> >>> functions >> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect of >> >>> music >> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency. = Of >> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make it = an >> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >> >>> >> >>> * * * >> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other software >> >>> deal >> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically relevan= t >> >>> times >> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually >> >>> are. >> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >> >>> >> >>> Sylvain >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Torben Scharling >> > > > > -- > Torben Scharling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 11:50:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 826851015E5; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=glasswing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AOm/a8eGJ2aYKYahbmGHXoDt3zQCYMXPypUluHIvSDo=; b=G6B/FZqnYGA5CQcSdLt6J5QO8q+CtFGg/vegMJzYSE9sMoyEsrsNZ4bj2pp2QwQOga A9UI8vRIeD5O6/7whCo2exqgpW7SzrI63Z46+3h979UR8qVi+9kVd27dQ+9RYN8392Gj AUxI68GJ9qbeNsFQYhRjsUb+Zra3mWeFMjhROhAIXvxSmQ1e+nq1yZ0gY0v+K+JgjA3q dBWtXylIzuFfOTe44PnHgMUy6lJYfAszzOlwNsWEBSEgadf4gNtuMUnDx4DnoIUkMfvg LdNpjCmvl65sCJc8WeQ79AYMHG0Qe6bWy5f0vooWam1MUysIFB/S5BfIt9eG6DQqvayi uCGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=AOm/a8eGJ2aYKYahbmGHXoDt3zQCYMXPypUluHIvSDo=; b=MXxO2FC9G8vw7hsMKHugBwk88uaAzZllrjqcd5TbmPpjnlgaaV8DOv3vfJ54/CZmw9 cUnhUeObAq6QKuj0ERTzFRMdwvt0PRjpiBw6zIfH36MPj3JsvBrpu2HmpLk4F3lqd+CH ah46A0nKVxYDYturp6/0H1Ylc9piGgP3Ha4QXu5RH9Bjcs16IdOAzt8LiQd++o361YUR VhDuyJn1Wjpoo8VlowEEU6qSRmwgs5XFFuaNBo6x6TiLZpzVBousNON5RQmFb19fyLrI /tANqzgiaXQVRjHd3qHlm1AoDeTSmbNMN6PPHJozZCMxSSW5ntjsoQfpJqfpY0zBJOAH DmBw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkANpToV2IBbsG6a075zy61CLJIS/s4/XOuWMnxj2JJVolwk3IHl2Tq0S0Dyq0Tux/gXey4hClpGx3MeyxdFr8jJOIhZw== X-Received: by 10.141.0.194 with SMTP id b185mr14217756qhd.23.1449834615310; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:50:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Richard Sales Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a9b563abe2e05269ded55 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:50:16 +0000 (UTC) --001a113a9b563abe2e05269ded55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're not a klutz, which I can be at performance, a decent music stand can work if its a light weight laptop. But one bad move and the computer is on the floor. On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around the venue for a > piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height > becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not > too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low > for you to reach knobs now and then. > > My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a = new can of > > worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: > > > > Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. > > > > I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundcar= d and > perhaps > > sometimes using a projector for it as well. > > > > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which > are > > (eventually) all digital wireless. > > > > So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. > > > > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to > purchase as > > well as a stand for it. > > > > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without > much > > chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So wha= t > do > > you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with > more > > of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and mayb= e some > > controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something that= =E2=80=99s > > workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, o= r > > kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) > I=E2=80=99ve > > also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could b= e > in > > front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda > like a > > drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing > > position when need be :) > > > > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, > > > > /Torben Scharling > > - Copenhagen > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key > >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB > >> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue > >> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and > >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius > >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling > >> wrote: > >> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, but= I > recently > >> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I= =E2=80=99m AMAZED at how > >> > smooth > >> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in game= s, u can > set > >> > it > >> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things th= e > >> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware drive= rs > >> > to > >> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. W= hich can > be > >> > set > >> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb mous= e > of > >> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D u= sb keyboards and > >> > perhaps > >> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os x..N= ow > >> > in > >> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input for= some > geeky > >> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is = just, > that I > >> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like = these > >> > devices, > >> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other than= that > (which > >> > is > >> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency > obviously > >> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should = be > >> > as > >> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and = or know > >> > devices > >> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never bo= thered > with > >> > all > >> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi ped= al stomp > box > >> > I=E2=80=99d > >> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation > Remote > >> > and > >> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the > >> > software > >> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 > >> > > >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in = my > >> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave > >> >> pedal(for > >> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though. > But > >> >> I > >> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instrument= s > >> >> and > >> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to map > >> >> undo to > >> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. > >> >> > >> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" < > sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott < > jrelliott500@gmail.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to > >> >>>> software > >> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at leas= t > to > >> >>>> my > >> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in software > >> >>>> setups. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming > from > >> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a note > to > >> >>> the > >> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their > setup. > >> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to > that... I > >> >>> play > >> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head through > >> >>> bone > >> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. > >> >>> > >> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes ta= ke > >> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When I > >> >>> play very > >> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to ma= ke > >> >>> sure > >> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. > Through > >> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, eve= n > if > >> >>> I > >> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. > >> >>> > >> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I'v= e > >> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of the > >> >>> bandstand > >> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it a= nd > >> >>> can > >> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have > >> >>> conductors. > >> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they could > not > >> >>> sync > >> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that the= ir > >> >>> ears > >> >>> tell them is the right time. > >> >>> > >> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen a= s > >> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or > >> >>> functions > >> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect = of > >> >>> music > >> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) latency= . > Of > >> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make i= t > an > >> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. > >> >>> > >> >>> * * * > >> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other softwar= e > >> >>> deal > >> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically > relevant > >> >>> times > >> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actually > >> >>> are. > >> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) > >> >>> > >> >>> Sylvain > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Torben Scharling > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Torben Scharling > > --=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com 'One nail drives the other one out' Great English/Zen Proverb --001a113a9b563abe2e05269ded55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If = you're not a klutz, which I can be at performance, a decent music stand= can work if its a light weight laptop. But one bad move and the computer i= s on the floor.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com= > wrote:
My no 1 trick for &quo= t;laptop stand" is to look around the venue for a
piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height
becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not
too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low
for you to reach knobs now and then.

My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling
<torbenscharling@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a= new can of
> worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here:
>
> Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands.
>
>=C2=A0 I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to so= undcard and perhaps
> sometimes using a projector for it as well.
>
> I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which= are
> (eventually) all digital wireless.
>
> So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >
> I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purch= ase as
> well as a stand for it.
>
> So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without = much
> chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So wh= at do
> you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with = more
> of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and may= be some
> controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something tha= t=E2=80=99s
> workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, = or
> kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) = I=E2=80=99ve
> also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could = be in
> front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda = like a
> drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing<= br> > position when need be :)
>
> Cheers, and Feliz Navidad,
>
> /Torben Scharling
> - Copenhagen
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen <
perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key<= br> >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB=
>> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue
>> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and<= br> >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius<= br> >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling
>> <torbenscharling@g= mail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thre= ad, but I recently
>> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502= and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how
>> > smooth
>> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that = in games, u can set
>> > it
>> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and th= ings the
>> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardwar= e drivers
>> > to
>> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it ca= n be. Which can be
>> > set
>> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a u= sb mouse of
>> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2= =80=9D usb keyboards and
>> > perhaps
>> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in = os x..Now
>> > in
>> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw in= put for some geeky
>> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my po= int is just, that I
>> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kind= a like these
>> > devices,
>> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything oth= er than that (which
>> > is
>> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latenc= y obviously
>> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it = should be
>> > as
>> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with thi= s, and or know
>> > devices
>> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have n= ever bothered with
>> > all
>> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb m= idi pedal stomp box
>> > I=E2=80=99d
>> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Nova= tion Remote
>> > and
>> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before= the
>> > software
>> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any l= atency in my
>> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My= Pog octave
>> >> pedal(for
>> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs = me though. But
>> >> I
>> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic = instruments
>> >> and
>> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure = out how to map
>> >> undo to
>> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes.
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" <<= a href=3D"mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com">sylvain.trombone@gmail.com= >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move= from hardware to
>> >>>> software
>> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is soo= o tight( at least to
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being = an issue in software
>> >>>> setups.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the soun= d is coming from
>> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment the= y play a note to
>> >>> the
>> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, dependin= g on their setup.
>> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get = used to that... I
>> >>> play
>> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes i= n my head through
>> >>> bone
>> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my e= ars.
>> >>>
>> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency i= ssues... Low notes take
>> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics tea= cher). When I
>> >>> play very
>> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before i= ts time to make
>> >>> sure
>> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets'= ; high notes. Through
>> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes= are in time, even if
>> >>> I
>> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.
>> >>>
>> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group = of musicians. I've
>> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. Th= e size of the
>> >>> bandstand
>> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're l= istening for it and
>> >>> can
>> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orche= stras have
>> >>> conductors.
>> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hea= r, they could not
>> >>> sync
>> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the = time that their
>> >>> ears
>> >>> tell them is the right time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should = not be seen as
>> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigge= r the notes or
>> >>> functions
>> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with= most aspect of
>> >>> music
>> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reason= able) latency. Of
>> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wo= uldn't make it an
>> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it= .
>> >>>
>> >>> * * *
>> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that = and other software
>> >>> deal
>> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to mu= sically relevant
>> >>> times
>> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than= you actually
>> >>> are.
>> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit = buttons. ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> Sylvain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Torben Scharling
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Torben Scharling




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

= 'One nail drives the other one = out'
Gr= eat English/Zen Proverb


<= /div>
--001a113a9b563abe2e05269ded55-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 17:45:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99EA71015E8; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ua2kz5SH38uO65HCPG1ulfdJJ2TOe69PHYRWDntjBCE=; b=TAaU/Y1XV1EjPnqS/KcDBZVu7W526r9wMuMt6m1oN+hye0Lp7RqfxKEw8F4iYtM+LE Qf2tvBrHBawaTRxMw5ptTq+sak1mguRW/Ukio+zREGQwJttIHwMrvHq9l9KE7ZAG2p4t 0z20g4KlLYlbMBa1P4ortTFPJeDz8llAaP81M0E11N+vWjqHcwPD6y+O8MrDcQ9Ku9pT ekS4SpyBIdoiTkIXxeao9Nrpk1jUZgclKdLD9kIjIv6bNNC2F0t418u9QSockDo91yTn bIe0g97s0vjsiPk0bU9IxvXq0cJo3OvLoogFcyehleK2KXVQ/k1ut70ezNMJdhPJMiCD KF6A== X-Received: by 10.28.90.132 with SMTP id o126mr8042964wmb.1.1449855923358; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:45:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:44:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11453cf449b8e90526a2e3a9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:45:24 +0000 (UTC) --001a11453cf449b8e90526a2e3a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, ya those are the kinda options I=E2=80=99ve tried out so far, but I= have nightmares about it getting smashed or falling over (had it happen at home once stumbling over the chords, had to have 80% of the laptop replaced). This looks almost perfect, except for the price :) http://www.thomann.de/dk/meinl_tmlts_laptop_table_stand.htm by the looks of it, all the K&M stuff is too flimsy and easily knock-overable :) On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > If you're not a klutz, which I can be at performance, a decent music stan= d > can work if its a light weight laptop. But one bad move and the computer = is > on the floor. > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around the venue for a >> piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height >> becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not >> too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low >> for you to reach knobs now and then. >> >> My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling >> wrote: >> > Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a= new can >> of >> > worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: >> > >> > Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. >> > >> > I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundca= rd and >> perhaps >> > sometimes using a projector for it as well. >> > >> > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which >> are >> > (eventually) all digital wireless. >> > >> > So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >> > >> > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to >> purchase as >> > well as a stand for it. >> > >> > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without >> much >> > chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So >> what do >> > you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with >> more >> > of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and may= be some >> > controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something >> that=E2=80=99s >> > workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, = or >> > kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) >> I=E2=80=99ve >> > also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could >> be in >> > front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda >> like a >> > drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing >> > position when need be :) >> > >> > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, >> > >> > /Torben Scharling >> > - Copenhagen >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote= : >> >> >> >> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key >> >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB >> >> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue >> >> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and >> >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius >> >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, bu= t I >> recently >> >> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and I= =E2=80=99m AMAZED at how >> >> > smooth >> >> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in gam= es, u can >> set >> >> > it >> >> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things t= he >> >> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware >> drivers >> >> > to >> >> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be. = Which can >> be >> >> > set >> >> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb >> mouse of >> >> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D = usb keyboards and >> >> > perhaps >> >> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os >> x..Now >> >> > in >> >> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input fo= r some >> geeky >> >> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point is= just, >> that I >> >> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda like= these >> >> > devices, >> >> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other tha= n that >> (which >> >> > is >> >> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency >> obviously >> >> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it should >> be >> >> > as >> >> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, and= or know >> >> > devices >> >> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never b= othered >> with >> >> > all >> >> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi pe= dal stomp >> box >> >> > I=E2=80=99d >> >> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation >> Remote >> >> > and >> >> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the >> >> > software >> >> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott > > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency in >> my >> >> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave >> >> >> pedal(for >> >> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me though= . >> But >> >> >> I >> >> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic instrumen= ts >> >> >> and >> >> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to ma= p >> >> >> undo to >> >> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" < >> sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott < >> jrelliott500@gmail.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to >> >> >>>> software >> >> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at >> least to >> >> >>>> my >> >> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in softwar= e >> >> >>>> setups. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming >> from >> >> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a not= e >> to >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their >> setup. >> >> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to >> that... I >> >> >>> play >> >> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head throug= h >> >> >>> bone >> >> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes >> take >> >> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When = I >> >> >>> play very >> >> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to >> make >> >> >>> sure >> >> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. >> Through >> >> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, >> even if >> >> >>> I >> >> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. I'= ve >> >> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of th= e >> >> >>> bandstand >> >> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it >> and >> >> >>> can >> >> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have >> >> >>> conductors. >> >> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they coul= d >> not >> >> >>> sync >> >> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that >> their >> >> >>> ears >> >> >>> tell them is the right time. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen = as >> >> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or >> >> >>> functions >> >> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspect >> of >> >> >>> music >> >> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) >> latency. Of >> >> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make >> it an >> >> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> * * * >> >> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other softwa= re >> >> >>> deal >> >> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically >> relevant >> >> >>> times >> >> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actuall= y >> >> >>> are. >> >> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sylvain >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Torben Scharling >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Torben Scharling >> >> > > > -- > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > > 'One nail drives the other one out' > Great English/Zen Proverb > > > --=20 Torben Scharling --001a11453cf449b8e90526a2e3a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, ya those are the kinda options I=E2=80=99ve tried = out so far, but I have nightmares about it getting smashed or falling over = (had it happen at home once stumbling over the chords, had to have 80% of t= he laptop replaced). This looks almost perfect, except for the price :)=C2= =A0= http://www.thomann.de/dk/meinl_tmlts_laptop_table_stand.htm=C2=A0by the= looks of it, all the K&M stuff is too flimsy and easily knock-overable= :)

On Fri, D= ec 11, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com><= /span> wrote:
If you're not a klutz, which I can be at= performance, a decent music stand can work if its a light weight laptop. B= ut one bad move and the computer is on the floor.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
= My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around the venue for = a
piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height
becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not
too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low
for you to reach knobs now and then.

My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes.
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling
<torbensc= harling@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a= new can of
> worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here:
>
> Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands.
>
>=C2=A0 I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to so= undcard and perhaps
> sometimes using a projector for it as well.
>
> I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which= are
> (eventually) all digital wireless.
>
> So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >
> I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purch= ase as
> well as a stand for it.
>
> So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without = much
> chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So wh= at do
> you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with = more
> of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and may= be some
> controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something tha= t=E2=80=99s
> workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, = or
> kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) = I=E2=80=99ve
> also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could = be in
> front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda = like a
> drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing<= br> > position when need be :)
>
> Cheers, and Feliz Navidad,
>
> /Torben Scharling
> - Copenhagen
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key<= br> >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB=
>> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue
>> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and<= br> >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius<= br> >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling
>> <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thre= ad, but I recently
>> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502= and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how
>> > smooth
>> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that = in games, u can set
>> > it
>> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and th= ings the
>> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardwar= e drivers
>> > to
>> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it ca= n be. Which can be
>> > set
>> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a u= sb mouse of
>> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2= =80=9D usb keyboards and
>> > perhaps
>> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in = os x..Now
>> > in
>> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw in= put for some geeky
>> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my po= int is just, that I
>> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kind= a like these
>> > devices,
>> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything oth= er than that (which
>> > is
>> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latenc= y obviously
>> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it = should be
>> > as
>> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with thi= s, and or know
>> > devices
>> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have n= ever bothered with
>> > all
>> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb m= idi pedal stomp box
>> > I=E2=80=99d
>> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Nova= tion Remote
>> > and
>> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before= the
>> > software
>> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com&= gt;
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any l= atency in my
>> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My= Pog octave
>> >> pedal(for
>> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs = me though. But
>> >> I
>> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic = instruments
>> >> and
>> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure = out how to map
>> >> undo to
>> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes.
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" <<= a href=3D"mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sylvain.trom= bone@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.= com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move= from hardware to
>> >>>> software
>> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is soo= o tight( at least to
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being = an issue in software
>> >>>> setups.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the soun= d is coming from
>> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment the= y play a note to
>> >>> the
>> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, dependin= g on their setup.
>> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get = used to that... I
>> >>> play
>> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes i= n my head through
>> >>> bone
>> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my e= ars.
>> >>>
>> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency i= ssues... Low notes take
>> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics tea= cher). When I
>> >>> play very
>> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before i= ts time to make
>> >>> sure
>> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets'= ; high notes. Through
>> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes= are in time, even if
>> >>> I
>> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.
>> >>>
>> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group = of musicians. I've
>> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. Th= e size of the
>> >>> bandstand
>> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're l= istening for it and
>> >>> can
>> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orche= stras have
>> >>> conductors.
>> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hea= r, they could not
>> >>> sync
>> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the = time that their
>> >>> ears
>> >>> tell them is the right time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should = not be seen as
>> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigge= r the notes or
>> >>> functions
>> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with= most aspect of
>> >>> music
>> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reason= able) latency. Of
>> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wo= uldn't make it an
>> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it= .
>> >>>
>> >>> * * *
>> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that = and other software
>> >>> deal
>> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to mu= sically relevant
>> >>> times
>> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than= you actually
>> >>> are.
>> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit = buttons. ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> Sylvain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Torben Scharling
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Torben Scharling




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail dri= ves the other one out'
Great English/Zen Proverb





--
Torben Scharling
--001a11453cf449b8e90526a2e3a9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 17:48:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FB311015E7; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uB+kTHNp/hoqRkAqs5OMj3FrRBbJwN7YhQpWsVCRxE8=; b=brr5B1oV7HNdY2anYki/u7w8mIzyQtVAPnWHhTKXlOJWefz4UczumGwYYWLZ8xf5/J hOd81o2jxojBGFeDvIK1aQRIwLZ7gZAClbhzsGUSA/Hcctlq+wegTNB7T3VKFOY7fO0C 8tyONVyzNseSR9ykepHONVbHZJsltZdrDROX4ZEHe8SJQbqoOesq5VUurE/UfLuKoKB6 dtU1O5ok2FxLIPuMdDDUx9AfQXmecegQ7gWy+KUQruPqIC7ozTf/ayRxxIBXcyDuW1dy 9cGSbnJ0wYlTjAfy59Wem/Hly0Hsp2uUKO1zjwUd7uRQMEMXpGt0Bm4du+0IrCm7aOKQ D6fA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.28.144 with SMTP id c138mr18204092ioc.15.1449856136610; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:48:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:48:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114093f4ff8a470526a2efd3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) --001a114093f4ff8a470526a2efd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depending on the size of the laptop, you could probably get a snare stand and put a board in with the laptop on that (looks sort of like the design of the link you posted). Kevin On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Thanks, ya those are the kinda options I=E2=80=99ve tried out so far, but= I have > nightmares about it getting smashed or falling over (had it happen at hom= e > once stumbling over the chords, had to have 80% of the laptop replaced). > This looks almost perfect, except for the price :) > http://www.thomann.de/dk/meinl_tmlts_laptop_table_stand.htm by the looks > of it, all the K&M stuff is too flimsy and easily knock-overable :) > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Richard Sales > wrote: > >> If you're not a klutz, which I can be at performance, a decent music >> stand can work if its a light weight laptop. But one bad move and the >> computer is on the floor. >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around the venue for a >>> piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height >>> becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not >>> too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low >>> for you to reach knobs now and then. >>> >>> My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling >>> wrote: >>> > Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up = a new can >>> of >>> > worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: >>> > >>> > Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. >>> > >>> > I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundc= ard and >>> perhaps >>> > sometimes using a projector for it as well. >>> > >>> > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments whic= h >>> are >>> > (eventually) all digital wireless. >>> > >>> > So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >>> > >>> > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to >>> purchase as >>> > well as a stand for it. >>> > >>> > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without >>> much >>> > chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So >>> what do >>> > you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with >>> more >>> > of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and ma= ybe some >>> > controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something >>> that=E2=80=99s >>> > workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, >>> or >>> > kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) >>> I=E2=80=99ve >>> > also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could >>> be in >>> > front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda >>> like a >>> > drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing >>> > position when need be :) >>> > >>> > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, >>> > >>> > /Torben Scharling >>> > - Copenhagen >>> > >>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key >>> >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB >>> >> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue >>> >> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and >>> >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius >>> >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-) >>> >> >>> >> Greetings from Sweden >>> >> >>> >> Per Boysen >>> >> www.perboysen.com >>> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thread, b= ut I >>> recently >>> >> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502 and = I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how >>> >> > smooth >>> >> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that in ga= mes, u >>> can set >>> >> > it >>> >> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and things >>> the >>> >> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardware >>> drivers >>> >> > to >>> >> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it can be.= Which >>> can be >>> >> > set >>> >> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a usb >>> mouse of >>> >> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2=80=9D= usb keyboards and >>> >> > perhaps >>> >> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in os >>> x..Now >>> >> > in >>> >> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw input f= or some >>> geeky >>> >> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my point i= s just, >>> that I >>> >> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kinda lik= e these >>> >> > devices, >>> >> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything other th= an that >>> (which >>> >> > is >>> >> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latency >>> obviously >>> >> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it shoul= d >>> be >>> >> > as >>> >> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with this, an= d or know >>> >> > devices >>> >> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have never = bothered >>> with >>> >> > all >>> >> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb midi p= edal >>> stomp box >>> >> > I=E2=80=99d >>> >> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Novation >>> Remote >>> >> > and >>> >> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before the >>> >> > software >>> >> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6 >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott < >>> jrelliott500@gmail.com> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any latency i= n >>> my >>> >> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My Pog octave >>> >> >> pedal(for >>> >> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs me >>> though. But >>> >> >> I >>> >> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic >>> instruments >>> >> >> and >>> >> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure out how to m= ap >>> >> >> undo to >>> >> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" < >>> sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott < >>> jrelliott500@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move from hardware to >>> >> >>>> software >>> >> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is sooo tight( at >>> least to >>> >> >>>> my >>> >> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being an issue in softwa= re >>> >> >>>> setups. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the sound is coming >>> from >>> >> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment they play a >>> note to >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, depending on their >>> setup. >>> >> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get used to >>> that... I >>> >> >>> play >>> >> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes in my head throu= gh >>> >> >>> bone >>> >> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my ears. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency issues... Low notes >>> take >>> >> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics teacher). When= I >>> >> >>> play very >>> >> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before its time to >>> make >>> >> >>> sure >>> >> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets' high notes. >>> Through >>> >> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes are in time, >>> even if >>> >> >>> I >>> >> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should start. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group of musicians. >>> I've >>> >> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. The size of t= he >>> >> >>> bandstand >>> >> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're listening for it >>> and >>> >> >>> can >>> >> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orchestras have >>> >> >>> conductors. >>> >> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hear, they >>> could not >>> >> >>> sync >>> >> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the time that >>> their >>> >> >>> ears >>> >> >>> tell them is the right time. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should not be seen >>> as >>> >> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigger the notes or >>> >> >>> functions >>> >> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with most aspec= t >>> of >>> >> >>> music >>> >> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reasonable) >>> latency. Of >>> >> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wouldn't make >>> it an >>> >> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> * * * >>> >> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that and other >>> software >>> >> >>> deal >>> >> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to musically >>> relevant >>> >> >>> times >>> >> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than you actual= ly >>> >> >>> are. >>> >> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit buttons. ;) >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Sylvain >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Torben Scharling >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Torben Scharling >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> richard sales >> www.glasswing.com >> >> 'One nail drives the other one out' >> Great English/Zen Proverb >> >> >> > > > -- > Torben Scharling > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) --001a114093f4ff8a470526a2efd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Depending on the size of the laptop, you could probab= ly get a snare stand and put a board in with the laptop on that (looks sort= of like the design of the link you posted).

Kevin

On Fri, Dec 11, 201= 5 at 9:44 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Thanks, ya= those are the kinda options I=E2=80=99ve tried out so far, but I have nigh= tmares about it getting smashed or falling over (had it happen at home once= stumbling over the chords, had to have 80% of the laptop replaced). This l= ooks almost perfect, except for the price :)=C2=A0http://www= .thomann.de/dk/meinl_tmlts_laptop_table_stand.htm=C2=A0by the looks of = it, all the K&M stuff is too flimsy and easily knock-overable :)
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Richard Sales <<= a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing= .com> wrote:
If you're not a klutz, whi= ch I can be at performance, a decent music stand can work if its a light we= ight laptop. But one bad move and the computer is on the floor.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at= 2:10 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
My no 1 trick for "laptop stand" is to look around th= e venue for a
piano chair. If I put my 2U rack box on such a chair the height
becomes perfect for a laptop and hand mixer button/fader stuff. Not
too high to disturb audience view of you performing and not too low
for you to reach knobs now and then.

My Plan B is borrowing two, alternatively three, empty beer boxes.
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:41 AM, Torben Scharling
<torbensc= harling@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a= new can of
> worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here:
>
> Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands.
>
>=C2=A0 I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to so= undcard and perhaps
> sometimes using a projector for it as well.
>
> I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which= are
> (eventually) all digital wireless.
>
> So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >
> I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purch= ase as
> well as a stand for it.
>
> So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without = much
> chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So wh= at do
> you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with = more
> of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and may= be some
> controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something tha= t=E2=80=99s
> workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to one side, = or
> kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need be :) = I=E2=80=99ve
> also thought of having one where I could put it so low, that it could = be in
> front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and then kinda = like a
> drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing<= br> > position when need be :)
>
> Cheers, and Feliz Navidad,
>
> /Torben Scharling
> - Copenhagen
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool idea, Torben! For a software looper that supports QWERTY key<= br> >> commands a simple a dirt cheap foot controller is just a basic USB=
>> computer keyboard where you take off some of the keys and glue
>> table-tennis balls on some keys. A very portable, replaceable and<= br> >> totally silent solution - just a bit less sturdy than the Gordius<= br> >> pedal and not as flashy as the KMM :-)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Torben Scharling
>> <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey guys, sorry I=E2=80=99ve blatantly glanced over this thre= ad, but I recently
>> > bought my first =E2=80=9Cgamer mouse=E2=80=9D a logitech g502= and I=E2=80=99m AMAZED at how
>> > smooth
>> > and precise the optical sensor is=E2=80=A6I then learnt that = in games, u can set
>> > it
>> > to raw input. That means it bypasses whatever settings and th= ings the
>> > drivers etc. do in windows or os x and use the direct hardwar= e drivers
>> > to
>> > run the mouse movement. Meaning it=E2=80=99s as fast as it ca= n be. Which can be
>> > set
>> > to 1000Hz (quite an impressive refresh rate). Now this is a u= sb mouse of
>> > course, and I assume the same applies with =E2=80=9Cgamer=E2= =80=9D usb keyboards and
>> > perhaps
>> > other periferals as well..just as with running core audio in = os x..Now
>> > in
>> > the game I=E2=80=99m playing, I cannot actually enable raw in= put for some geeky
>> > reason in OS X but works fine in Windows=E2=80=A6Anyway my po= int is just, that I
>> > guess we=E2=80=99d wanna go for controllers that can run kind= a like these
>> > devices,
>> > thus the latency doesn=E2=80=99t have to do with anything oth= er than that (which
>> > is
>> > pro gamer level instant fast) and then your round trip latenc= y obviously
>> > audio wise should be set as low as possible, then I think it = should be
>> > as
>> > good as hardware=E2=80=A6U guys have more experience with thi= s, and or know
>> > devices
>> > that for sure don=E2=80=99t introduce latency? I would have n= ever bothered with
>> > all
>> > this, but since I=E2=80=99m thinking of building my own usb m= idi pedal stomp box
>> > I=E2=80=99d
>> > wanna know more about this. Personal experience with the Nova= tion Remote
>> > and
>> > Novation Remote SL Mk1, I was not happy with the delay before= the
>> > software
>> > responded to hitting the faders and knobs=E2=80=A6
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.com&= gt;
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes that makes alot of sense. I suppose if there is any l= atency in my
>> >> hardware rig..I've grown used to it after 2 years. My= Pog octave
>> >> pedal(for
>> >> bass lines) has bad latency..but I adjust to it. It bugs = me though. But
>> >> I
>> >> want to use live like a hardware pedal..running acoustic = instruments
>> >> and
>> >> voice through it. I have it working but can't figure = out how to map
>> >> undo to
>> >> a controller...so no room for mistakes.
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 8, 2015 8:41 PM, "Sylvain Poitras" <<= a href=3D"mailto:sylvain.trombone@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sylvain.trom= bone@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Josh Elliott <jrelliott500@gmail.= com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But...this is a big reason I'm afraid to move= from hardware to
>> >>>> software
>> >>>> Looping. The clock sync in my hardware rig is soo= o tight( at least to
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> ears) and I'm really afraid of latency being = an issue in software
>> >>>> setups.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Every instrument has latency. For guitarist, the soun= d is coming from
>> >>> somewhere onstage and the latency from the moment the= y play a note to
>> >>> the
>> >>> moment they hear the note can be quite long, dependin= g on their setup.
>> >>> Guitarist learn to deal with this. I never could get = used to that... I
>> >>> play
>> >>> trombone and I'm accustomed to hearing my notes i= n my head through
>> >>> bone
>> >>> conduction very slightly before I hear them with my e= ars.
>> >>>
>> >>> That doesn't mean I don't deal with latency i= ssues... Low notes take
>> >>> longer to start than high notes (ask your physics tea= cher). When I
>> >>> play very
>> >>> low notes, I have to think to start the note before i= ts time to make
>> >>> sure
>> >>> the long slow moving waves sync with the trumpets'= ; high notes. Through
>> >>> practice, I've internalized that and my low notes= are in time, even if
>> >>> I
>> >>> start them sooner than my ears tell me they should st= art.
>> >>>
>> >>> There's latency inherent to playing with a group = of musicians. I've
>> >>> played a lot of big band music with 24+ musicians. Th= e size of the
>> >>> bandstand
>> >>> can hinder a group playing tight, unless you're l= istening for it and
>> >>> can
>> >>> adjust your playing. This is (partly) why large orche= stras have
>> >>> conductors.
>> >>> The musicians sync to a visual cue, not what they hea= r, they could not
>> >>> sync
>> >>> otherwise. Again, they might start a note before the = time that their
>> >>> ears
>> >>> tell them is the right time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Playing an electronic instrument with latency should = not be seen as
>> >>> impossible. With practice, you'll learn to trigge= r the notes or
>> >>> functions
>> >>> when you need to for the music to be in sync. As with= most aspect of
>> >>> music
>> >>> playing, lack of practice is the problem, not (reason= able) latency. Of
>> >>> course, minimizing latency is a worthy goal, but I wo= uldn't make it an
>> >>> obsession... just fight it until you can live with it= .
>> >>>
>> >>> * * *
>> >>> btw, you're thinking of using Live? One way that = and other software
>> >>> deal
>> >>> with controller latency is to quantize commands to mu= sically relevant
>> >>> times
>> >>> (1/16th, 1/8th...1 bar). Makes you sound tighter than= you actually
>> >>> are.
>> >>> Never mind all that stuff about practicing, just hit = buttons. ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> Sylvain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Torben Scharling
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Torben Scharling




--
richard sales
www.glasswing.com

'One nail dri= ves the other one out'
Great English/Zen Proverb





--
Torben= Scharling



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to ha= ve a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all t= rouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

--001a114093f4ff8a470526a2efd3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 18:12:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359E61015D6; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=KPDUDT1o c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:117 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CD9GzrlF7ATb4vgQ0qoA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:12:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: <8DKo_B.A.qeG.XIxaWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Here is what I frequently use: First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small combo = amp at an angle). I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level) = and saw off the vertical "L" part. Then, on top of that I place a deep Odyssey (or other brand) rack bag. The rack bag holds a Furman power-strip (which is useful to power the = Laptop and other things) and also functions as secure travel storage = space for laptop, cables, interface, and some pedals. On the Top of the rack bag I put my laptop. It is secure, stable, and has a little room around it to have other = devices on it, and is at a height/level convenient for visual/manual = access as long as I don't play standing up. Best regards, Ted=20 On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Torben Scharling = wrote: > Hello again friends. I=92m not quite sure if I need to open up a new = can of worms, so I=92ll just write it here:=20 >=20 > Let=92s talk laptop stands. >=20 > I am using a 15=94 Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundcard and = perhaps sometimes using a projector for it as well.=20 >=20 > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which = are (eventually) all digital wireless.=20 >=20 > So it=92s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way.=20 >=20 > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to = purchase as well as a stand for it. >=20 > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without = much chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So = what do you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go = with more of a table=92ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and = maybe some controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like = something that=92s workable on stage when standing up and having the = laptop to one side, or kinda a bit out of the picture but still = approachable when need be :) I=92ve also thought of having one where I = could put it so low, that it could be in front of me on stage next to or = behind the pedalboard, and then kinda like a drummers chair, could be = leveled up to sitting or maybe even standing position when need be :) >=20 > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, >=20 > /Torben Scharling > - Copenhagen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 11 18:35:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97BCD1015D6; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re:Laptop stand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> Reply-To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk From: andy butler Message-ID: <566B1788.7060608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:35:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21996.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.976-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.976-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 2yoavFRFKjFT9IXaGuGhLbrbxxduc6FPjLOy13Cgb4+WaSZUnAyJa6PF jJEFr+olA9Mriq0CDAgQVjqAOZ5cjQtuKBGekqUpbGVEmIfjf3tfcei3nV0c5UcTDPdM9skHR7Z +ep7/BPtoldakFGRH4+o3BTD2ahe8WW/UBT6W9VzeynZXIakcmNbgeTRUtXbRJV7JpEEz+dk= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) don't think anyone suggested a projector stand yet might be more cost effective andy On 11/12/2015 17:44, Torben Scharling wrote: > , but I have nightmares about it getting smashed or falling over From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 12 15:05:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9413A1015EF; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=h5egXQ3XXuOFRvNW8lKszezvmqW7IJCzcy11B/FL98w=; b=yadEHDkHI+C6/Bn3KEqMBECg8PXHJ4ACy45bmMOdD7CJBVchGlAOJ7Ox68a6hMGz7K +WC62GfSXxop1beiFbNXY13fWo+KtV67y/LLiYdTfItH4U2xxlA4Ac5wMvMsZ3rIjyNj R4SJfaweEd9SzK3iabk0ccyZsYRM2cNIHT1Jg7Hoar6LyMzuXj1CmHZjxt4SsRg1vBH7 vr4WECC3YDnK6mtNbQJyVftCtofSqV5hnxgzetbpEDdW/pI5t/ebuglCl7za1QOBzlbF 3ZDUKA/XTrw1Te1EDo8Y5E2U8TiwPAswQoHmjVftbbCKVy0ydLrPxXEZY/W99bbywZnj S+Cg== X-Received: by 10.194.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr27160813wjb.7.1449932721653; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 07:05:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:04:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a64d28f600526b4c402 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:05:22 +0000 (UTC) --047d7bf10a64d28f600526b4c402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds cool Ted, having a bit of a problem visualizing the actual stand you=E2=80=99ve made, but I=E2=80=99ve got some ideas to go with now, thx :) On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Here is what I frequently use: > > First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small combo > amp at an angle). > > I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level) an= d > saw off the vertical "L" part. > > Then, on top of that I place a deep Odyssey (or other brand) rack bag. > > The rack bag holds a Furman power-strip (which is useful to power the > Laptop and other things) and also functions as secure travel storage spac= e > for laptop, cables, interface, and some pedals. > > On the Top of the rack bag I put my laptop. > > It is secure, stable, and has a little room around it to have other > devices on it, and is at a height/level convenient for visual/manual acce= ss > as long as I don't play standing up. > > Best regards, > > Ted > > On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > > Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a = new can > of worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here: > > > > Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands. > > > > I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to soundcar= d and > perhaps sometimes using a projector for it as well. > > > > I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which > are (eventually) all digital wireless. > > > > So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. > > > > I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to > purchase as well as a stand for it. > > > > So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without > much chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So > what do you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go > with more of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse = and maybe > some controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something > that=E2=80=99s workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop t= o one > side, or kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when need = be > :) I=E2=80=99ve also thought of having one where I could put it so low, t= hat it > could be in front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboard, and th= en > kinda like a drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or maybe even > standing position when need be :) > > > > Cheers, and Feliz Navidad, > > > > /Torben Scharling > > - Copenhagen > > --=20 Torben Scharling --047d7bf10a64d28f600526b4c402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds cool Ted, having a bit of a problem visualizing the= actual stand you=E2=80=99ve made, but I=E2=80=99ve got some ideas to go wi= th now, thx :)

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.n= et> wrote:
Here is what I f= requently use:

First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small combo am= p at an angle).

I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level) and = saw off the vertical "L" part.

Then, on top of that I place a deep Odyssey (or other brand) rack bag.

The rack bag holds a Furman power-strip (which is useful to power the Lapto= p and other things) and also functions as secure travel storage space for l= aptop, cables, interface, and some pedals.

On the Top of the rack bag I put my laptop.

It is secure, stable, and has a little room around it to have other devices= on it, and is at a height/level convenient for visual/manual access as lon= g as I don't play standing up.

Best regards,

Ted

On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again friends. I=E2=80=99m not quite sure if I need to open up a= new can of worms, so I=E2=80=99ll just write it here:
>
> Let=E2=80=99s talk laptop stands.
>
>=C2=A0 I am using a 15=E2=80=9D Macbook Pro with a firewire cable to so= undcard and perhaps sometimes using a projector for it as well.
>
> I then have a pedalboard with the loop stuff, and my instruments which= are (eventually) all digital wireless.
>
> So it=E2=80=99s a pretty simple setup, and I wanna keep it that way. >
> I will probably for some shows use a keyboard that I have yet to purch= ase as well as a stand for it.
>
> So what I need is a stand that the laptop can safely stand on without = much chance of being knocked over (but also hopefully transportable). So wh= at do you guys use and why/what would you recommend ? I might wanna go with= more of a table=E2=80=99ish sized thing, so I have room for a mouse and ma= ybe some controller stuff next to the laptop, but would also like something= that=E2=80=99s workable on stage when standing up and having the laptop to= one side, or kinda a bit out of the picture but still approachable when ne= ed be :) I=E2=80=99ve also thought of having one where I could put it so lo= w, that it could be in front of me on stage next to or behind the pedalboar= d, and then kinda like a drummers chair, could be leveled up to sitting or = maybe even standing position when need be :)
>
> Cheers, and Feliz Navidad,
>
> /Torben Scharling
> - Copenhagen




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=
Torben Scharling
--047d7bf10a64d28f600526b4c402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 12 17:51:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106C61015EB; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=S7lXwecP c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:117 a=NGXRCNxRQKMHmn6amWLCjg==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=FBMQtyY2AAAA:8 a=TY-btpfdAAAA:8 a=53iX4p9IAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_fllzUpaoNlLcwk-xocA:9 a=Eiq3h1784zMUjzPd:21 a=n2Sxc8sHLwVRV8In:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Foot Controllers. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:51:52 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5665CB8D.90103@virgin.net> <5665D593.5040201@tiscali.co.uk> <56672591.7000302@tiscali.co.uk> <56675014.9040001@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: <6SP4D.A.PRD.46FbWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Torben, Well, since this is the LD list (not FaceBook) I cannot send pictures. But here is a link to one of the kind of amp stands I am talking about: The adjustable supports that hold the amp at an angle can be taken off, = and turned around 180=CB=9A. When you do that, it would hold the amp level, rather than at an angle. But since you want to hold a rack bag that's deeper than the shallow = depth of a small combo amp, those back bars forming the vertical part of = the "L" need to be sawn off. This is fairly easy to do with any hacksaw . . . or even a dremmel tool. What sort of rack bag you put on top of it is up to you. I actually use a big 5-space rack bag and 16 inches deep like this one: = But if you don't need that much storage space, a 2- or 3-space, 16 inch = deep bag would do just as well . . . much like this one: Or, if a "bag" is not secure or travel worth for you there are plastic = rack "cases" as well in similar sizes. I use the big bag because all of the zippered pouches are useful for = holding things. I use my laptop to run MaxMSP and I use a bunch of Roland EV-5 pedals to = control the parameters of my complicated performance patch. Best, Ted On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Torben Scharling = wrote: > Sounds cool Ted, having a bit of a problem visualizing the actual = stand you=E2=80=99ve made, but I=E2=80=99ve got some ideas to go with = now, thx :) >=20 > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ted Killian = wrote: > Here is what I frequently use: >=20 > First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small = combo amp at an angle). >=20 > I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level) = and saw off the vertical "L" part. 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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d5ec864e3590526ca2ddb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 16:37:51 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b5d5ec864e3590526ca2ddb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aight thanks Ted, dunny I wouldn=E2=80=99t have thought an amp stand or dru= m stand would be the options I=E2=80=99d be looking at.. It seems pretty easy to ma= ke it into your own sized =E2=80=9Ctable=E2=80=9D if you add a top plate to that = amp stand :) See u guys on the fb page, seems easier to handle than this archaic invention := D On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Torben, > > Well, since this is the LD list (not FaceBook) I cannot send pictures. > > But here is a link to one of the kind of amp stands I am talking about: > > > > The adjustable supports that hold the amp at an angle can be taken off, > and turned around 180=CB=9A. > > When you do that, it would hold the amp level, rather than at an angle. > > But since you want to hold a rack bag that's deeper than the shallow dept= h > of a small combo amp, those back bars forming the vertical part of the "L= " > need to be sawn off. > > This is fairly easy to do with any hacksaw . . . or even a dremmel tool. > > What sort of rack bag you put on top of it is up to you. > > I actually use a big 5-space rack bag and 16 inches deep like this one: > > < > http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/5-Space-Rack-Bag-16-in./8= 04699000000083-00-500x500.jpg > > > > But if you don't need that much storage space, a 2- or 3-space, 16 inch > deep bag would do just as well . . . much like this one: > > > > Or, if a "bag" is not secure or travel worth for you there are plastic > rack "cases" as well in similar sizes. > > I use the big bag because all of the zippered pouches are useful for > holding things. > > I use my laptop to run MaxMSP and I use a bunch of Roland EV-5 pedals to > control the parameters of my complicated performance patch. > > Best, > > Ted > > > On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Torben Scharling > wrote: > > > Sounds cool Ted, having a bit of a problem visualizing the actual stand > you=E2=80=99ve made, but I=E2=80=99ve got some ideas to go with now, thx = :) > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ted Killian > wrote: > > Here is what I frequently use: > > > > First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small comb= o > amp at an angle). > > > > I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level) > and saw off the vertical "L" part. > > --=20 Torben Scharling --047d7b5d5ec864e3590526ca2ddb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aight thanks Ted, dunny I wouldn=E2=80=99t have thought an= amp stand or drum stand would be the options I=E2=80=99d be looking at.. I= t seems pretty easy to make it into your own sized =E2=80=9Ctable=E2=80=9D = if you add a top plate to that amp stand :) See u guys on the fb page, seem= s easier to handle than this archaic invention :D

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Ted = Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Torben,

Well, since this is the LD list (not FaceBook) I cannot send pictures.

But here is a link to one of the kind of amp stands I am talking about:

<http://www.americanmusical.com/ItemImag= es/Large/23813.jpg>

The adjustable supports that hold the amp at an angle can be taken off, and= turned around 180=CB=9A.

When you do that, it would hold the amp level, rather than at an angle.

But since you want to hold a rack bag that's deeper than the shallow de= pth of a small combo amp, those back bars forming the vertical part of the = "L" need to be sawn off.

This is fairly easy to do with any hacksaw . . . or even a dremmel tool.
What sort of rack bag you put on top of it is up to you.

I actually use a big 5-space rack bag and 16 inches deep like this one:

<http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/5-Space-Rack-Bag-16-i= n./804699000000083-00-500x500.jpg>

But if you don't need that much storage space, a 2- or 3-space, 16 inch= deep bag would do just as well . . . much like this one:

<http://www.nstuffmusic.com/images/= Product/large/ae00-10315.jpg>

Or, if a "bag" is not secure or travel worth for you there are pl= astic rack "cases" as well in similar sizes.

I use the big bag because all of the zippered pouches are useful for holdin= g things.

I use my laptop to run MaxMSP and I use a bunch of Roland EV-5 pedals to co= ntrol the parameters of my complicated performance patch.

Best,

Ted


On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds cool Ted, having a bit of a problem visualizing the actual stan= d you=E2=80=99ve made, but I=E2=80=99ve got some ideas to go with now, thx = :)
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
> Here is what I frequently use:
>
> First I take an old folding amp stand (the kind that holds a small com= bo amp at an angle).
>
> I flip the support bars around so they are not at an angle (but level)= and saw off the vertical "L" part.




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Torben Scharling
--047d7b5d5ec864e3590526ca2ddb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 13 17:52:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9554A1015F1; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v9jzYWDhFcdpy2drL0cp6/To+DDNqiOWN+NIHWp+z68=; b=sAzskAFKUZekc5SuUtToh7JwOP6w4p55jE7MvGXB995k7+GRMyecZLqPNyM2b8jftA qmLm3ngUUz55Ak+0TvzNuakMCRIa7QKKN53LVLNzfhmZhDrSFEu1jDar/IjfRACI5rW1 QSSO8ypWKcFl7td3w3JrItjIrMv8V6PJgrZWXKaVK2wC0Ot/jahlX3rnyR5EtZ8ecBui hjTM3oxEDBvp466jOsJNFZ6LfEV0IfvYZSM1twB5TEh1B7EnbsjMXLm/WTDJnQuzc1qx bJnTnuhF2BP0uHv9qUo6P05BqZuyprMyoPUOjtRUOd5CC60DaZjRFhWFdABXJ85MXh8T 3pqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.136.139 with SMTP id k133mr11619268lfd.4.1450029128211; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 09:52:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 11:52:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: The 12 Step From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f389419e2340526cb37a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --001a113f389419e2340526cb37a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well I just ordered a Kmm 12 step used from EBay. I plan to use it to control Looping in Ableton. I'm sure I'll need some education from the KMM wizards here in setting things up. --001a113f389419e2340526cb37a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Well I just ordered a Kmm 12 step used from EBay. I plan to use it to control Looping in Ableton. I'm sure I'll need some education from the KMM wizards here in setting things up.

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Thanx. jrp jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 14 06:16:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720EA1015FD; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 06:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: William Walker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1EC41D40-A708-45B9-A6DB-D513B75BF666" Subject: re: lap top stand Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:16:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 06:16:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_1EC41D40-A708-45B9-A6DB-D513B75BF666 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Im very happy with this, i usually leave it sitting on the floor, https://store.cranehardware.com/product_info.php/cPath/23/products_id/82 --Apple-Mail=_1EC41D40-A708-45B9-A6DB-D513B75BF666 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Im very happy with this, i usually leave it sitting on the floor, --Apple-Mail=_1EC41D40-A708-45B9-A6DB-D513B75BF666-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 14 08:19:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85B471015F9; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s2048; t=1450081189; bh=LWzpeW2/CSSh6nj5s6pGUwjNFLPEK4QHcNRZBLrEUpQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=DohxuZS6lch1ZGqZnH9Rw2JSX5wg/HFEtbaEAYqANJOrr+ETCbVL6u2VSsioZyd3JoL+VjkpEY+AB6k5bHhKoIbobO1E5BUrYMA+N68ry5fgv8juZBpNNd0wp35f7x4TynXweW8LLPbKGvD9+ojoGW+jhtI8ZVF00+8ugkkGSuTUd0hreYO65TUfFKFZbb7bJ+2+ZwZ+g1KdpwWRwb7qArYKDXYIgNlLXvcXg8hB0p+FFpSZ2Tnp2GFPA6MUe4lP7tins4A4+eKa4Si/FhWVA4EKYwzq+xFxfUGrpFpexRyiot5CEzi1cCyOkjGvBGDYJ00a9SMAU74geP9p7iewBg== X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 28482.41485.bm@omp1044.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: AyJO4AgVM1nzN8BH5Of6EDQwHieRP2HXyDUNVr2YvrRNYiQ0fih_cTpBZ56S06N MbW4DL4VLtx_g990QgLhu5QTaKecXEirMj0T55DYCpxYAepMs9KghjznwMkBuZj2sL56pdSfhLEh Elsspg3VBM5u7JLf0cPjyf98trYyzlFGfxHNVsdrUG.kAA0w8NSMHGNIikANRI0t9if9rEdzGCDX FSYJ_ppb8NQ6lkgp0lGBOvFW.Rqz9BYHP8GGvEQgtAGf5k8I8IgaGKPcsf1qcytu6_VH.XDdoQpM BRU.1B5dWD9VL6sbpJQceRVTHERvPYriBEF20pBh3D5FqMOIzuuu6Dpx6fNoImMrpUWDhuVaK50e loCY899j0SZSmdGoj0AyO3aHPg1WSf6Wxcm3YpKh7yhJMhWvuCVLvcuq.ZSCz1QAQWZNC22bZavb lcbllRSGHSi_74HK4vbGcA0Jm_mSWAqeJRqop7omCh7A25ketHE9SlR837GGuKWFPPxNVyV3uG56 fXZtZHBfOHeuqWWUo9kL6oumeBMUaFf66MzFcR19h4Ebu7eoP Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:19:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Antony Hequet Reply-To: Antony Hequet To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1070060_206713451.1450081187700" References: <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4ulsVC.A.OfD.munbWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:19:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1070060_206713451.1450081187700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, I know that this must have come up before as many loopers are also multi instrumentalists. I would like to have my chapman stick and NS stick on a high stand so I can reach for it and play standing up. Anyone out there who has found a nice solution to this? Antony ------=_Part_1070060_206713451.1450081187700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
hello,

I know that this must have come up before as many loopers are also multi instrumentalists. I would like to have my chapman stick and NS stick on a high stand so I can reach for it and play standing up. Anyone out there who has found a nice solution to this?

Antony
------=_Part_1070060_206713451.1450081187700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 14 20:17:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD52D101333; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qO6lBO9+GxmkI8JFSgRS9ZR7n7zW5WKXN/o04Qs1Xxw=; b=V2L+uGjLn/hdfpBsBZDTvX5TgRclkCSWQNhc5zW18AqJgF5WFLkLdsLlfrhD1IE6FL cLKpr/VlqVOdi0X0nbqRS0LsnKPKHRl6psINFgYTMSe6tsQuP+I6FfaSIRhnnvGKCqXX YB7JZEof8C/e5TwurDB8jYaarEp1tfF+5DPU4HYqlACGbf1jSsO6m0pTO41P725EKgpC FKm4dZj2JYoGYePEuysifP43CUNh3GHsZ0NBZstjibHfhXpaxYVwioMm4aTf6e6Ez0hq xCj2RRP/gG/EIKZmadeah3I2O7WQF4tkSFZz1YCagUqIQ86qRv0+KGsBF+2gZtmq4+7C AAtw== X-Received: by 10.28.90.132 with SMTP id o126mr96503wmb.1.1450124227617; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Torben Scharling Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:16:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lap top stand To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11453cf477a8fc0526e15b71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:17:08 +0000 (UTC) --001a11453cf477a8fc0526e15b71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good but only 3 legs :( Ideally I=E2=80=99d want something portable a= nd light like that, that=E2=80=99s height adjustable and where the legs are stable a= nd not in the way of the feet and pedals - have yet to see anything that can do that unless DIY :) On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 7:16 AM, William Walker wrote: > Im very happy with this, i usually leave it sitting on the floor, > https://store.cranehardware.com/product_info.php/cPath/23/products_id/82 > --=20 Torben Scharling --001a11453cf477a8fc0526e15b71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks good but only 3 legs :( Ideally I=E2=80=99d want som= ething portable and light like that, that=E2=80=99s height adjustable and w= here the legs are stable and not in the way of the feet and pedals - have y= et to see anything that can do that unless DIY :)

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Will= iam Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Im very happy wit= h this, i usually leave it sitting on the floor,



=
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Torben Scharli= ng
--001a11453cf477a8fc0526e15b71-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 15 00:28:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC942101330; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T/ipe+fT1fCr1cqkUykIX6/EkA+qrk3r4sFweW2UStw=; b=r4czzJihG3axx5x5f8bxlAGWp+XyjYI/8n8BLN4oyLyf+B0pwvZpr/5RON65+jlHYS mYFa0ZSMFfatu/+o5JCYz7xam3e8/w0fzOqQPSJnQUikrO8cKmFgY+GKtNCnJfb7P459 TNkEALZPllsRmkWUbMT5wVk0HDj0tPkB9YjWr000zMkEBLqQ/TXjwSeV4MS7pmyDhvMv 6ZstHp4qoOvx/4izGFvnoO6p50wLzgXxGbEmXpYOAJKkADa6YZhb2wQ2ctDs/4d9gUhC R8inex7R1Un49tTxn2YR979X77Slphly5/WcjRwvqSbBjaZwsC+npX7uHvMgQBW0suyv 0nZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.134.2 with SMTP id i2mr9309973lfd.68.1450139308168; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:28:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3F988D2C-142B-4006-A14D-E245475D0391@baymoon.com> <5664BE21.9060400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:28:27 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software looping From: Josh Elliott To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fba1456a30a0526e4deff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:28:29 +0000 (UTC) --001a113fba1456a30a0526e4deff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to update. Last week I was moaning about latency. well...it was my interface. I received the focusrite scarlet and the latency is gone. With a modern computer I'm sure it will be fine. On Dec 7, 2015 4:49 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > +1 for Gordius Little Giant :-) An amazing MIDI pedal that makes > anything possible. > > An addition regarding Mobius: > You can save up on needed pedal switches by scripting Mobius. Here's > an example: Let's say you have a pedal that sends a MIDI Note event > when pressed. Throw a script to Mobius that IF the looper is empty a > pedal hit means RECORD, if already recording (in RECORD MODE) the same > pedal hit means OVERDUB, if already overdubbing a pedal hit means > OVERDUB (so you can just get out of OVERDUB MODE for plain playback of > the loop), if holding down the pedal as "a long-press" it means > deleting the loop (easy way out to end a song, or restart if you > messed up the intro) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> Control: they don=E2=80=99t make me burn 3 or 4 buttons on what a hard= ware > looper > >> would likely do in 2? > >> > > > > Echoloop, ( obviously ). > > I guess Mobius too. > > > > > > Or if you use a Gordius controller you get to choose *exactly* what > > longpress/shortpress setup > > you'd like (it has every possible option, and multiple commands), so an= y > > looper can be given a more efficient interface. > > > > andy > > > > --001a113fba1456a30a0526e4deff Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just wanted to update. Last week I was moaning about latency= . well...it was my interface. I received the focusrite scarlet and the late= ncy is gone. With a modern computer I'm sure it will be fine.

On Dec 7, 2015 4:49 AM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
+1 for Gordius Lit= tle Giant :-)=C2=A0 An amazing MIDI pedal that makes
anything possible.

An addition regarding Mobius:
You can save up on needed pedal switches by scripting Mobius. Here's an example: Let's say you have a pedal that sends a MIDI Note event
when pressed. Throw a script to Mobius that IF the looper is empty a
pedal hit means RECORD, if already recording (in RECORD MODE) the same
pedal hit means OVERDUB, if already overdubbing a pedal hit means
OVERDUB (so you can just get out of OVERDUB MODE for plain playback of
the loop), if holding down the pedal as "a long-press" it means deleting the loop (easy way out to end a song, or restart if you
messed up the intro)



Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
w= ww.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
>> Control: they don=E2=80=99t make me burn 3 or 4 buttons on what a = hardware looper
>> would likely do in 2?
>>
>
> Echoloop, ( obviously ).
> I guess Mobius too.
>
>
> Or if you use a Gordius controller you get to choose *exactly* what > longpress/shortpress setup
> you'd like (it has every possible option, and multiple commands), = so any
> looper can be given a more efficient interface.
>
> andy
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--001a113fba1456a30a0526e4deff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 15 14:50:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1993E101605; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4C2msW+3UXzvxiVO+AO4cxcF9QpvOL9PzBbaQkfSJ4Q=; b=XnSKgFQp4+E+d2IywQDufwh9nuHq5UI7T4uaxFcPfqFG9j6oXkRAxjEaM4u6/EjpTv mwCBSV9mJXy3XEl9mpUmtUbGbAa3lYGK0RnuoTqL16zpw6g16cEbzmvrm/4RDC+4yUSf qhxcY9DZrceeP32sHJXKROVFx+tBigCb8Qp4Gu+SkOr1Zg42A6FMCrI2wkrnApgycVIY NbYz48HNQjIXGoASsL0BiA27C7SLMm2Dxu3U+qD7ziUzHKf14ZfzukZOj4JsNr/iUk1N UI55V6zKakKqJCZxl3RvENQ+pvfYFL0KDdaK1hDfAxIzySVeeo2faFGvJMktnuSeG0nm K12Q== X-Received: by 10.202.170.196 with SMTP id t187mr28617831oie.78.1450191011092; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 06:50:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:49:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Blooming soundcards... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cab9c129e9c0526f0e8d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:50:12 +0000 (UTC) --001a113cab9c129e9c0526f0e8d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Not really loop related but its something we all talk about all the time, so I hope its fits, best place for knowledge of this sort. OK I currently own and use a MOTU Ultralite THE ORIGINAL version, I guess mk1, although mark 1s are not normally called mark 1. Im very happy with it, but for modular synth recording, I run out of channels pretty quick. and would like 16. Now I know that if I bought another, and connected them via the firewire port, it can show up as 16 channels on the computer... lovely. But heres the thing, Id like to do away with my hardware mixer completely, I dont really mix on it, just use it for inputs to my speakers AND.... reverb. So Im going first to the mixer, and the direct outs go to my sound card, and cos I return the reverb on a channel, THAT goes to a stereo chanel on teh soundcard too. (hence why I run out. NOW.. the new version of the Motu Ultralite (maybe even the mk2, if there was one, I can find it anywhere) HAS REVERB BUILT IN... So I was wondering, if the old mk1 was plugged into the new one via firewire, can it access the reverb? Of course I couldnt use the channel controls on the mk1 as it doesnt have a reverb control, but what if it went in thru the optical ins, would the 8 channels from the mk1 show up on the mk3 as ditital ins and therefor get reverb... Aghh prob too confusing to understand... Anyway, I prob dont have enough for the mk3 anyway... just thinking out loud... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --001a113cab9c129e9c0526f0e8d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not really loop related but its something we all talk abou= t all the time, so I hope its fits, best place for knowledge of this sort.<= div>
OK I currently own and use a MOTU Ultralite THE ORIGINAL= version, I guess mk1, although mark 1s are not normally called mark 1.

Im very happy with it, but for modular synth recordin= g, I run out of channels pretty quick. and would like 16. Now I know that i= f I bought another, and connected them via the firewire port, it can show u= p as 16 channels on the computer... lovely.
But heres the thing, Id like= to do away with my hardware mixer completely, I dont really mix on it, jus= t use it for inputs to my speakers AND.... reverb. So Im going first to the= mixer, and the direct outs go to my sound card, and cos I return the rever= b on a channel, THAT goes to a stereo chanel on teh soundcard too. (hence w= hy I run out.

NOW.. the new version of the Motu Ul= tralite (maybe even the mk2, if there was one, I can find it anywhere) HAS = REVERB BUILT IN... So I was wondering, if the old mk1 was plugged into the = new one via firewire, can it access the reverb? Of course I couldnt use the= channel controls on the mk1 as it doesnt have a reverb control, but what i= f it went in thru the optical ins, would the 8 channels from the mk1 show u= p on the mk3 as ditital ins and therefor get reverb...

Aghh prob too= confusing to understand...
Anyway, I prob dont have enough for the mk3 = anyway... just thinking out loud...

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--001a113cab9c129e9c0526f0e8d3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 15 15:43:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A49110131C; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rpfO5dPaP86zChBkYZyFaoNqpCtWAk+ObNgCIUWzETc=; b=KNBa7OSIMeR5htTYAtauTYB27tcrQciJa1YG9DPwjSaaxXoS3Lh9PVMvB6vEDg8udp QaVG2QPi++55vYsIacopxILo/GRyvMQkE0tW2HnJafhN9cejaG1n5YEm6u3BNdAf78O7 Xn4ni4uROUal+idmFodNAvVq6klT1WooK1gIerq7/loDhjxpFVZrmyWnanOorDKlKrTE cBamjslSHjHH4It86oyLNKeR1S+KFXWQmbh1ZBV/HlxnnFgKVsYSmgdhcsXyFdddyl0D rTya5LXTeOuqdDn7n6E0BMcYki7KKNEA16ob9x7Uq22BOL6+Ul25cKvfWCS/vYHwasrl Et2g== X-Received: by 10.50.157.7 with SMTP id wi7mr4393433igb.63.1450194187548; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:43:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: my first day with the GR-55 From: Greg Wegmann X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13C75) In-Reply-To: <8307BBF1-902B-47F3-90E6-DEA98C3E7901@trufun.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:43:04 -0500 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7ADF8A79-6A9D-4EEA-AC19-CAA76A4F4727@gmail.com> References: <8307BBF1-902B-47F3-90E6-DEA98C3E7901@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Sounds great, I love my GR55 Wegs phone=20 > On Dec 12, 2015, at 1:04 PM, David Gans wrote: >=20 >=20 > Enjoying a modest but measurable (and short-lived) surplus of cash after m= y last book advance, I treated myself to a Roland GR-55 guitar synth. My Ren= aissance RS-6 has the pickup built in. >=20 > I decided to book some studio time for my first day with it, so I could ge= t help from my pal Jeremy Goody in setting it up (and to force me to really s= pend some time with it, as opposed to setting it up in my living room and fa= rting around for half an hour). We got it all configured pretty easily, and t= hen we spent a good deal of time figuring out the best way to patch it into m= y performing rig. >=20 > The best solution turned out to be the simplest solution: my Boss RC-30 Lo= op Station has a second input, summed with the first one. So I have the cont= rols right on the instrument: the guitar output on one pot and the synth out= put on the other. >=20 > I recorded a few improvisations, laying down some regular guitar and then c= ycling through various voices. It was very easy to make good things happen w= ith it. > Once I was comfortable, I put it to work on one of my favorite loop instru= mentals: "Quarter to Five (For Tina Loney)." I used the guitar to set up the= basic track, and then I laid in the three principal themes using a flute, a= n oboe, and a cello. The resulting track is a little rough; each voice has i= ts peculiarities of response and articulation. A couple of glisses in the ce= llo passage tended to track strangely, sounding almost like the tape was slo= wing down; I'll figure out how to deal with that over time. But I was pretty= thrilled with the overall feel. >=20 > Here it is: https://soundcloud.com/dgans/quarter-to-five-for-tina-loney >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Gans > david@trufun.com > http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 15 16:12:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6490910160A; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=9O0b QP6xcCTG4kfYxrgKrXvVEao=; b=G0CGEO22w9JUk/FkivBJR9vuCFaTUk6Fk6wi XOmRww34kgXcx4Lgms7HQdGLsDeN1Ha8XrWxqAzIYnI4yWQnngeM+YNfMg2IFS1i J25F3KbamV+K50SyPQKLJ0tZXfgrJbeyLb358AzgfXLfTf8JyKEnCRFPSAeMnH3x 7OzVpCs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:12:12 -0800 Subject: FS: Cyndustries ModcanA StereoSpace - Rare Cool Module From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:12:15 +0000 (UTC) I am selling one of my original Cyndustries Modcan A format StereoSpace modules (I have three - I'm keeping both the other ones!). It's a headphone preamp (both 1/4" and 3.5mm), CV modulatable Stereo Panner, EQ Bass Enhancer, and format jumbler (with level 1/4" INs *and* OUTS) rolled into one. The module is fully tested and looks and works great. Honestly, it seems deceptively simple but I use it every single time I boot up my huge syste= m and have one in my extension cabinet as well, it is that useful. Info on it's features can be found here: http://www.cyndustries.com/modules_stereospace.cfm Here are some pictures of the exact module for sale: http://daedsound.com/Salez/modcanSSpFACE.jpg http://daedsound.com/Salez/modcanSSp-ALL.jpg http://daedsound.com/Salez/modcanSSp_side.jpg http://daedsound.com/Salez/modcanSSp1.jpg Includes two new screws, original cable, and will be packed well and for free. I am asking $350 plus shipping from Phila PA in the US which I think is insanely fair. If you feel otherwise feel free to politely let me know an= d we can see. I pack well for free and ship at cost. Only trades I'm interested in are towards a ModcanA CV recorder or EH POG= 2 pedal. +/- cash as appropriate. TERMS: Best to email me direct Legionhwp (at) Gmail (dot) com Will gladly do a video or skype demo for serious buyers. Unit is fully tested and excellent but sold AS IS. I LOATHE PAYPAL. I prefer a US sale with USPS MO and first priority for this precious will go to that (20+ years of references on and off the 'ne= t available). I *may* consider a limited personal payment Paypal for out of US buyers, Email for details. 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Hows mobius reacting so far with El Capitan anyone?

On 26.11.2015, at 10:29, Massimo Liverani <mas.liv@libero.it> wrote:

I got an I-MAC  late 2009, recently updated with el capitain, got serious problems with the drivers of my Focusrite saffire 6 usb (it crashed the system!), but after a couple of days Fucusrite wrote me how to solve it. very profesional help.
for the rest, it seem more efficent and faster, also the space occupied seems to be less, now i got more GB free (not much but...)

Good luck to evrbdy!
Massimo 


What's the consensus on the latest OSX upgrade - Go or No?

I'm using Logic X, Mainstage and Finale 2014.

Thank you, Collective Looping Wisdom

Doc


--Apple-Mail-AEADFC3A-44DD-4700-B3E9-A3384B5E993B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 15 19:12:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CD44101606; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:mime-version:to:from:subject:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type; bh=nAeSkr+F+3K4C/Mvkh0V06M/Yy6a9tD66eKu9OWWZ4g=; b=q5XX2WbDKIzAMTiDcIOFUqWkuuFx8qG0DuXlHCNjRbEyZyQhgjJCnnusHN/KB16YOa MtmElzfmyAGG8kTkGwqsgTmdt8uO2P6U9Sq+DAUvDGiHphjqW5U2TWaoQ4VJf+p2CfnL sf5CAYc5PLckkyfYuTq/TeopJBZA5IXDyYBYHR0FDSD+n7OHY4SBmMZ9T/1F8U/p4lXU HIAtHUSlvdbgf1PgrY8ir/AnreVnYPwtGCDvimtdeCeqWAWeWgRGEptfEpExg0oFSxoW vd4GA/E1FJaoA5Ml1YvuL+977GjRvulqF0L+KW4mCK2AyebFgEeOLvLDRXNV++Cqv1SK mDbg== X-Received: by 10.28.129.131 with SMTP id c125mr6514559wmd.21.1450206730493; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:12:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <56706609.4d5d1c0a.83dd4.ffffbebe@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight From: Giuliano Torelli Subject: R: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:12:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_102ED617-3EDF-4A37-8325-3C7A1F24DDF7_" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:12:11 +0000 (UTC) --_102ED617-3EDF-4A37-8325-3C7A1F24DDF7_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Antony I use Mbrace guitar holder http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IHLSTM/ref=3Dpe_152260_119575710_em_1p= _0_ti You can check the result here: Http://www.youtube.com/twofatesproject I hope someone has other solutions. Bye! ----- Messaggio originale ----- Da: "Antony Hequet" Inviato: =E2=80=8E14/=E2=80=8E12/=E2=80=8E2015 09:19 A: "Loopers-Delight" Oggetto: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up hello, I know that this must have come up before as many loopers are also multi in= strumentalists. I would like to have my chapman stick and NS stick on a hig= h stand so I can reach for it and play standing up. Anyone out there who ha= s found a nice solution to this? Antony= --_102ED617-3EDF-4A37-8325-3C7A1F24DDF7_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Antony
I use Mbrace guitar holder
http://www.ama= zon.com/gp/product/B005IHLSTM/ref=3Dpe_152260_119575710_em_1p_0_ti

Y= ou can check the result here: Http://www.youtube.com/twofatesproject
I hope someone has other solutions.

Bye!

Da: Antony Hequet
Inviato: =E2=80=8E14/=E2=80=8E12/=E2=80=8E2015 09:19
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Oggetto: stand for guitar bass stick = - play standing up

hello,

I know that this must have come up before as many loopers are = also multi instrumentalists. I would like to have my chapman stick and NS s= tick on a high stand so I can reach for it and play standing up. Anyone out= there who has found a nice solution to this?

Antony
= --_102ED617-3EDF-4A37-8325-3C7A1F24DDF7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 16 14:44:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA5E10160E; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=EOFYWQKqD7szCNNyhUY9TXNv5WNSJuwBop2u2MT4toI=; b=f3NQbzeMLZTFDBC/a+afLEUwU7QGmvcVICuzQDbNaePBNCe6yFwWUGsUBfY6dtfmju C7iUiJ3ldjI2hSjYBCjpHURSEuuOxmjexVlOry0obyXpEH2ewAooZMiepqstMELQF1T+ iPRRxDLTy+6qH14+aJDHRRtxDTNCUCAqz9PHK3OS8vWdofM9dKs7RkPfnXSUvVzQfz+y D4Ur02jKLuioUBWzWnOmfLaJqtJu3CoGfvgQQJsyaPpws5A9RU92UlNfL2B2HBefvdUg FVlaXRBt+wP4M5hUMC/CfdMumeSgOQhPPB9hgqqHTYCkIsXLBV8Hm3PmHQdkgTXMmSzg mjzA== X-Received: by 10.28.13.138 with SMTP id 132mr12990853wmn.62.1450277065026; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:44:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56706609.4d5d1c0a.83dd4.ffffbebe@mx.google.com> References: <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <708640078.1070061.1450081187701.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56706609.4d5d1c0a.83dd4.ffffbebe@mx.google.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11444c1249827d052704f16c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:44:27 +0000 (UTC) --001a11444c1249827d052704f16c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yup, made a double-neck bass/guitar cause having one on a stand didn=E2=80= =99t work out for what I wanted to do, it was uncomfortable to have something else fixate the instrument i was using, probably mostly cause I=E2=80=99ve gotte= n so used to hugging my instruments into my hips/belly while sitting or standing with it..The Mbrace looks cool though and I might try it out one day but essentially I achieved the same thing with wrapping my strap around the top part of a mic stand, making a temporary and free =E2=80=9Cmbrace=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A6.quick google found this https://www.gollihurmusic.com/product/1617-ENDPIN_STAND_AND_ACCESSORIES_FOR= _NS_DESIGN_BASSES.html On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Giuliano Torelli wrote: > Hi Antony > I use Mbrace guitar holder > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IHLSTM/ref=3Dpe_152260_119575710_em_= 1p_0_ti > > You can check the result here: Http://www.youtube.com/twofatesproject > > I hope someone has other solutions. > > Bye! > ------------------------------ > Da: Antony Hequet > Inviato: =E2=80=8E14/=E2=80=8E12/=E2=80=8E2015 09:19 > A: Loopers-Delight > Oggetto: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up > > hello, > > I know that this must have come up before as many loopers are also multi > instrumentalists. I would like to have my chapman stick and NS stick on a > high stand so I can reach for it and play standing up. Anyone out there w= ho > has found a nice solution to this? > > Antony > --=20 Torben Scharling --001a11444c1249827d052704f16c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yup, made a double-neck bass/guitar cause having one on a = stand didn=E2=80=99t work out for what I wanted to do, it was uncomfortable= to have something else fixate the instrument i was using, probably mostly = cause I=E2=80=99ve gotten so used to hugging my instruments into my hips/be= lly while sitting or standing with it..The Mbrace looks cool though and I m= ight try it out one day but essentially I achieved the same thing with wrap= ping my strap around the top part of a mic stand, making a temporary and fr= ee =E2=80=9Cmbrace=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6.quick google found this=C2=A0https://www.gollihurmusic.com/product/1617-ENDP= IN_STAND_AND_ACCESSORIES_FOR_NS_DESIGN_BASSES.html=C2=A0

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 8:= 12 PM, Giuliano Torelli <twofatesproject@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hi Antony
I use Mbrace guitar holde= r
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B= 005IHLSTM/ref=3Dpe_152260_119575710_em_1p_0_ti

You can check the= result here: Http://www.youtube.com/twofatesproject

I hope someone ha= s other solutions.

Bye!

Da: Antony Hequet
Inviato: =E2=80=8E14/=E2=80=8E12/=E2=80=8E2015 09:19
A: <= /span>Loopers-D= elight
Oggetto: stand for guitar bass stick - play standing up<= /span>

hello,
I know that this must have come up before as many l= oopers are also multi instrumentalists. I would like to have my chapman sti= ck and NS stick on a high stand so I can reach for it and play standing up.= Anyone out there who has found a nice solution to this?

Antony
=



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Torben Scharling
--001a11444c1249827d052704f16c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 15:28:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE603101601; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=NUy+IssXKrjPlXomph9i4ga3SECIqkH1Om8oUMxaJb0=; b=SDKqARW58BQenJUPAma+Pq9Xkxd1Kw+E3Bz3dUT3sXHPKtqXFIcpivo+JoGIVcNHUa F3pQOIqQvLelLmxKzdiRREKceX8ogjOBospu8u5oDjA0rML+iXDCCjxnMQ3E86FCHwkW Iya3ljlnaT8C2JAGmYBVgMVadws5H9cEr7ASFh2Qv0IepF6XvdPXJKodCESVhxeAHxSM P9XUQ9SIWVOGlzt/+sF8zurBN7kOamvUWgEmAWY/oY7IThcQt8/xr8gcLRuXfIUGlJ+D d5xf9K0NzO3FKC1LrMjnczQYu4vBUEjJVJe9EOXdS7UW4hsxZOLBQUvdCxV4A0a8964q Gibw== X-Received: by 10.202.50.214 with SMTP id y205mr24981023oiy.16.1451230121839; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 07:28:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:28:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: missing link web code gone To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cfee6e654b50527e2d739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) --001a113cfee6e654b50527e2d739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, As some of you know I like to make interfaces for my hardware using touchOSC and the missing link box. Unfortunately, missing link has gone bust and the website with it. So that means that the nifty web program i used to find out OSC codes for touchOSC (written by former LD member Bernard Wagner) is gone too. Now the good part is that I downloaded that webpage including the javascripts associated with it before the page went down. But they don't seem to work locally. I uploaded them to my server, but their not working there either.. Anyone know of an alternative mirror of this script, OR bernards email address? OR how to get them to work either locally or on my website? This is all aIl I get currently... http://www.markfrancombe.com/MIDI_MESSAGE_GENERATOR/ Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --001a113cfee6e654b50527e2d739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,=C2=A0
As some of you know I like to make interf= aces for my hardware using touchOSC and the missing link box. Unfortunately= , missing link has gone bust and the website with it. So that means that th= e nifty web program i used to find out OSC codes for touchOSC (written by f= ormer LD member Bernard Wagner) is gone too.

Now t= he good part is that I downloaded that webpage including the javascripts as= sociated with it before the page went down. But they don't seem to work= locally. I uploaded them to my server, but their not working there either.= . Anyone know of an alternative mirror of this script, OR bernards email ad= dress? OR how to get them to work either locally or on my website?
=C2=A0This is all aIl I get currently...

Mark
--001a113cfee6e654b50527e2d739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 16:03:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70EF5101605; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c8Bwa2B1KRERIuhvRR2CuHXarLgiPPORhd5qtQVYubs=; b=ob7WdxsLtwfO2Fs6VU5twqeEXOy9kcjvf5WTGfZ6q4Z6iVOHz9n3gNVdCPSiRIB1ke QHFRPLNpSXlX8wp2DEy9WVQ7GsZgSI5+dCH1vxYf9B/03EIxMLACPLAJLjFBS5mBUt9y wuTp+h7UJ3hNYwdjW4JhJElZ/0YXPv6arVB90F3Br0ejc5j6U4vKJ5yeaho94HQw+JAa HRxc1K/ZNoyETgavNRRKDL4zd6TEYhnd64lLRukiYvSOJrZrurZjFmDFEsvddbKiL1d/ UhpKK8khJN2pyVKptYY1DVoMhBbpKnrbWctafEQcdjoGqHQxK7j3dxkxW45FbXmJMaKA WG8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.49.80 with SMTP id x77mr32304310vkx.33.1451232233461; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:03:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:03:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: missing link web code gone From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143ea7cc31f610527e355de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:03:54 +0000 (UTC) --001a1143ea7cc31f610527e355de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archive seems to work ok: https://web.archive.org/web/20131208164408/http://wifimidi.com/midi-message= -generator/ Sylvain =E2=80=8B --001a1143ea7cc31f610527e355de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --001a1143ea7cc31f610527e355de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 16:16:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C756133135; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TqqtjqvpDZdFSFD6v/950CNa4viCguu8hhceH9+0jYs=; b=o3Yw7bTPyzirFQf5OEENewvV7CqG3x0Xrj9Ikl+DakurOggmww/cd41uGOk+cJEKRR dQi2C9eIFohpLFtOuj6GRJr3710siBZkXRHP2wYjNa/nVGAFhvmRBKXyuXdY40mqJBvu pk2kx72ZCmEz8uMI8MSGBz/dhPplK1cAXtkywCkOaw4fkVt4YxZ++3nMfy9ALz5Y44xH JVnKpveS5UurOldRDBe7HMW5R9ifIGgGt1iveFQDDlVOTBgY4nVNXL6XKRD3Q+urS6qZ y1k2Gj1B+ldWkMIaUAlvNPISdMjh/8YF5Vm2+Ac85wtsm49XbcrpJd7CTIuDacMbT5mq +EhA== X-Received: by 10.60.95.67 with SMTP id di3mr28596166oeb.5.1451233013337; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:16:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:16:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: missing link web code gone To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01176f273f14a70527e38492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:16:54 +0000 (UTC) --089e01176f273f14a70527e38492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put it up somewhere and still work? Mark On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Archive seems to work ok: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20131208164408/http://wifimidi.com/midi-messa= ge-generator/ > > Sylvain > =E2=80=8B > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --089e01176f273f14a70527e38492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put = it up somewhere and still work?

Mark
--089e01176f273f14a70527e38492-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 16:39:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D93FE1015F1; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ttpgiI4EAzKfcLpVdi9UBcqDsFBd2TBWrPkjn5mc2vc=; b=gJ5BENho9+bFd7EA4DpenfnhUaXvnTwvgNPghWqDb4YjSc2w0pPg9gBn2Bgp7jbdRv CtJ3cGMF94K9ucxB9zQ7NYD/j0wH0Q473qZbF2y2quM/OHVY85Yh7BHzIhIACeBmvsAH 7WUgIyzz0RuWPBvAqYSJbSiW/4Dl4ZEA5QubWPQRjU5aS/+Pba5qFtjVrGLgMQdvdunT nCc/V0bgG+79TAU+gR/dn+zPPYGXJ5/OFkxqaUdr2bkJ5+YAokmY4ua5+6oId4mbpHoM Un2PUjFK5K0AliC2af5kKd9Oj4Pf43wZ23rA5pnVPjQhgCIjIaHyuKid79rFTTbVxqBl KJPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.139.76 with SMTP id n73mr16407759vkd.78.1451234399003; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:39:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: missing link web code gone From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142e71ad6aab30527e3d6a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:39:59 +0000 (UTC) --001a1142e71ad6aab30527e3d6a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 11:16 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Any idea how I can put it up somewhere and still work? > I'd have to look at the code, but I won't have time to do that for a couple days. Sylvain --001a1142e71ad6aab30527e3d6a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 11:16 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Any idea how I can put it up somewhere and still work?

I'd have to look at the code, but I won't have t= ime to do that for a couple days.
Sylvain
--001a1142e71ad6aab30527e3d6a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 18:09:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7591910160A; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=QEiPP8F5QkerZKMu+KnuK/ZbTTgQ+s3Ncu3tZM/6jWE=; b=YUcbeF60MIzQ/25Z0ZJM7P71US pk9V1XTOY2vh+O0nLh9Q2SnF8oQsmS6k2E55HT2qeit8q5QQYp1IpSTNLcDjlkgcVOQrCnd7MeRs+ bz/BlNn/JNhgtKvQ9vxoKkRZt9hyo8xiEFP8teCpKr7TLfc9Tl8cfOOtM3iAU+b+EkfXMA0ak5ooU 2mNioHGW3QkbMgGWEiEbJvsU+DCBmXncIA9tCKLxLQw6Wu3efBzcC59hu72hh/bg/IERRTI0j2RKg ghr+m9epP/iiqJpPlPlsL5k4MId1KW0XJHRhYSnp0izZcF1ec9KMjZEXea6P0CkKEuP9Ihn1aMMXe suFpKvow==; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: missing link web code gone From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:09:21 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4AF0008E-15CC-4E45-A275-BCDCCAD0C48B@kliklak.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Lookin ginto putting this online. Will post here, when succeeded. jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.prinzenallee.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put it up = somewhere and still work? >=20 > Mark >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 19:02:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10AF1015FE; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kliklak.net ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=MI1LwNrEf3FLVWSNoQNmFf0AIx4e7f515gOifrS8SnY=; b=TD+8RE4yBXAYUiiOhT/OhxWr9a Ze4G8O3UAEbWeAr37Dpq5DJz5OkfrbynVZ9a31LleQuhFRpODiGJN8lA5qrqW+6nZKQBVF1AbLLD0 icLbD7261+Z6tqYWyPzkQy+MONgv2V36OQEY/bk0/RFlVw6tSoxsbF4CVu3Yhmq42Sdzar4+N/CWD eWK2KWjps+Q5OKRAMspGzrBAXLhRjRAiH6Na8vIACzFtm8lfYrFt1slQk+9mnpFPZizu3YHATmI12 96atASYMOU4KBHJ8z1J/Kc40kspqzFC5CvnZu7ZTHWrMhfWlyOIAPFSzB7zZgxgrHfZG0ELGAz4P3 CHSvcUcQ==; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: OT: Patchblocks From: jrploopers In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:02:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1A04A171-B9FA-4CA5-8786-3126F01D8448@kliklak.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elpaso.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: elpaso.hostforweb.net: authenticated_id: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Authenticated-Sender: elpaso.hostforweb.net: jrploopers@kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7I7SJ.A.F3F.9WDgWB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:02:21 +0000 (UTC) OT: Which of you list members work with Patchblocks? www.patchblocks.com=20 It's a nice concept really, as modular outboard gear for 55 euro per = piece and free, sort of pd-style software allows to write your own = generative devices as well as fx units.=20 You can even combine several of the Patchblocks into one bigger unit. = And there's a separate midi box. Each of the things measures about 7 x 5 = x cms. Not with foot switches yet (but i heard they'll do this.) Two = faders, two illuminated buttons, no display. Lots of modular synth = peoplke seem to be into them, as ins and outs are dc coupled. By the way: This is 10bit gear ;) The sound is - to my taste - = wonderfully gritty. Especially when generating stuff 10bit make sense to = me, not so much for programmed outboard fx, but i still enjoy the dirt a = lot there as well.=20 Anyhow - contact me privately, if you want to exchange patches or = discuss otherwise. jayrope --- www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ www.aircushionfinish.com www.plus.google.com/+jayrope www.ello.co/jayrope From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 23:28:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619B21015FE; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at arsenic; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:28:41 UTC X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Nc0brD34 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Rb3l5HaqC0p9MkUN2i3FRw==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=wUQvQvOEmiQA:10 a=iamkK-zDAAAA:8 a=qPzfMoOpAAAA:8 a=unAB6gTlAAAA:8 a=pEkK1ZK8AAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=S8J4le351X7pN1sQOSgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XwI76vAt1DAA:10 a=WTwKmL4oFv_hu3QcQiQA:9 a=I6CtDJT8lPbEor_V:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: Rick Williamson IV Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7D84568E-327B-48AC-9707-D66A2B585904" Message-id: <04DFEAF9-9488-43E2-A263-24A9AAFB7812@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Subject: Re: missing link web code gone Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:28:27 -0600 References: <4AF0008E-15CC-4E45-A275-BCDCCAD0C48B@kliklak.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <4AF0008E-15CC-4E45-A275-BCDCCAD0C48B@kliklak.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:28:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_7D84568E-327B-48AC-9707-D66A2B585904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have you looked here? http://www.xmlizer.net/hansLindauer/midiapp.html = > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:09 PM, jrploopers = wrote: >=20 > Lookin ginto putting this online. Will post here, when succeeded. > jayrope > --- > www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ > www.aircushionfinish.com > www.prinzenallee.com > www.plus.google.com/+jayrope >=20 > On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 >> Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put it up = somewhere and still work? >>=20 >> Mark >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7D84568E-327B-48AC-9707-D66A2B585904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Have you looked here?

On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:09 PM, jrploopers <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:

Lookin ginto putting = this online. Will post here, when succeeded.
jayrope
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www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.com/+jayrope

On = Dec 27, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Aha... that works! = Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put it up somewhere and still = work?

Mark



= --Apple-Mail=_7D84568E-327B-48AC-9707-D66A2B585904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 27 23:41:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2294710160A; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/3qeaopNPiQkNtiHenVhZWG6+YndHwWD4YjT1WCRhQo=; b=UcpAmHR6SDMx11ob30vmWNO4hbQNsW0ilXjW2cxmqHRdNLFE7kAuK2OO1w8bP2qr6A 2eQheQyyd6bPL3qIhJUmG6l3D1aPG0JFO3CRoaHx8XUNXOjI5o96TNmz6lZNxVS5mna0 vDB4xCPH48QgZDHTdkiSvW+amiTSMKRw0dFN1rhLBBJO8PqjWL6Vydg9v4rUZFkfpYz/ PwHkpCU0hZiL9qLn0ivtsMG7idRhQZ4zCSpZpZwYX1Y0vbX1az6DrZIyjY6FmsPO8zDW k2a+8eMQeOuYA57FPbua18VMmMySYGrzEuNnxzuMPgd+jy3a+XDGitq/79pL7y0wr6C4 fSfg== X-Received: by 10.202.223.198 with SMTP id w189mr29704749oig.38.1451259708052; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04DFEAF9-9488-43E2-A263-24A9AAFB7812@verizon.net> References: <4AF0008E-15CC-4E45-A275-BCDCCAD0C48B@kliklak.net> <04DFEAF9-9488-43E2-A263-24A9AAFB7812@verizon.net> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 00:41:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: missing link web code gone To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d48666019350527e9bb11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:41:49 +0000 (UTC) --001a113d48666019350527e9bb11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Aha.. so THATS where he put it... nice easy to find place! Thanks Rick.. Anyway.. I have put Jayropes on my site for safety too http://www.markfrancombe.com/MIDI_MESSAGE_GENERATOR/ On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Rick Williamson IV wrote: > Have you looked here? > http://www.xmlizer.net/hansLindauer/midiapp.html > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:09 PM, jrploopers wrote: > > Lookin ginto putting this online. Will post here, when succeeded. > jayrope > --- > www.kliklak.net/jayrope/ > www.aircushionfinish.com > www.prinzenallee.com > www.plus.google.com/+jayrope > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any idea how I can put it up somewhere > and still work? > > Mark > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe --001a113d48666019350527e9bb11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aha.. so THATS where he put it... nice easy to find place!=
Thanks Rick..
Anyway.. I have put Jayropes on my site for safety too=

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 1= 1:28 PM, Rick Williamson IV <rdwfour@verizon.net> wrote:
Have y= ou looked here?

Lookin ginto putting this online. Will post here, when succeeded.jayrope
---
www.kliklak.net/jayrope/
www.aircushionfinish.com
www.prinzenallee.com
www.plus.google.= com/+jayrope

On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mark francombe wrote:<= br>
Aha... that works! Thanks Sylvain. Any ide= a how I can put it up somewhere and still work?

Mark



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--001a113d48666019350527e9bb11-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 29 02:18:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1541133134; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 02:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SID: zEJ01r0010aeGat01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 204.228.247.36 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.16.0 Message-Id: <20151228191757.e4a21929c5e0ed1e8b3c974402408619.8ac5a73178.wbe@email16.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LooperMusic.com Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:17:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 02:18:00 +0000 (UTC)
Hello - just wanted to spread the word to this group of looping m= usicians: I have reviewed about 26 loop pedals that are currently in produc= tion. I would love to get your feedback on those reviews and also I'm inter= ested in publishing content from expert guests (like many of you).

Cheers,
Jasper
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 31 03:05:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB8E133132; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=x5ZkG40bD2QmKlZc2f1PMSufVUVrPduOBQ8mggvuuLk=; b=OHcXP8XqU2NRRpw4QoDgqneZB4skhwHEXqur6fRM+D8xyQn/hHC8fKoOd0yiYlB0Ki 0D1GQhg0ZB3Eutv1W5tdkDSjXMEk495RQ0BUdVZOi6nhLEBqQy7D9KnSEblrlyUx9QMG wBF4Yl4FzkoZCjmJM0j03gJ0fP2Vuu2XGDaeZvPEmWj2yn2FyKm/yrJt7U4BeLqCWxXU 3nDvo5+t7pM+fj9HWyqQp5RLmNPejZsA6pUVlEOe/BKbFuKSLClH5KaHi6hkAhARmHQo 8QR2NSC4P3cEzCyuELKnWyUZcat5BJ8VzZT8j/XiTWl2JIC2R4FBIupC58gcN6ESswTI OrLA== X-Received: by 10.25.165.133 with SMTP id o127mr15285494lfe.105.1451531129529; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:05:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151228191757.e4a21929c5e0ed1e8b3c974402408619.8ac5a73178.wbe@email16.secureserver.net> References: <20151228191757.e4a21929c5e0ed1e8b3c974402408619.8ac5a73178.wbe@email16.secureserver.net> From: Steven Clements Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:04:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LooperMusic.com To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11411c345b2b28052828ed17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:05:31 +0000 (UTC) --001a11411c345b2b28052828ed17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ...and the link http://loopermusic.com/blog/full-list-of-looper-pedal-reviews-so-far *Steven* On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:17 PM, wrote: > Hello - just wanted to spread the word to this group of looping musicians: > I have reviewed about 26 loop pedals that are currently in production. I > would love to get your feedback on those reviews and also I'm interested in > publishing content from expert guests (like many of you). > > Cheers, > Jasper > --001a11411c345b2b28052828ed17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Steven

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:17 PM, <c= ontact@loopermusic.com> wrote:
<= div>Hello - just wanted to spread the word to this group of looping musicia= ns: I have reviewed about 26 loop pedals that are currently in production. = I would love to get your feedback on those reviews and also I'm interes= ted in publishing content from expert guests (like many of you).
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Cheers,
Jasper

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