Re: bar music

[Bret <echoplex@yahoo.com>]

Luis,
I realize that you asked Matthias, not me, but I have
some experience with edps, before and after
input/output gain mods.

If horrible orange distortion is the problem only at
"times", then the gain structure is not your problem. 
The edp is most likely to overload with that nasty
distortion with too much high frequency content on the
input.  

The edp has high frequency pre-emphasis on the input,
and de-emphasis on the output to improve the s/n. 

Be careful with the levels of broad high freq sounds
like cymbals, and synth patches extremely rich in high
freq overtones, etc.  These can overload the codec
before the led indicates too much signal.  

It takes a bit of practice to get the input just
right, and certainly will vary with different input
sources.  You can't trust just your eyes (on the input
led), you have to record and listen to the playback to
calibrate yourself to how much signal is correct.
bret
--- Luis Angulo <L.Angulo@t-online.de> wrote:
> Hallo Matthias,
> What i would like to know is if i could still
> increase the gain structure of
> the EDP. I´ve allready done the modifications Kim
> gave me changing the
> resistors but i still get this horrible orange
> digital distortion at times
> although i´ve turned down the input .I am using
> preamps and guitar synths so
> its quite hard to turn everything down just to
> satisfy the sensible gain of
> the EDP. It takes away a bit of the punch of some of
> my presets.Another
> question is whats the best way to dump the loops
> from the EDP?Do you really
> use the midi dump function? it takes a life time! Do
> i have to use a special
> cable to dump them into my mini disc? I don´t have a
> sequencer.
> thanks a lot!
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> L.A.
> > Recent thirst for knowledge about use of functions
> for looping makes
> > me think that with the following kind of post, we
> can stimulate each
> > other and inform in a more relaxed and practical
> way about technical
> > things.
> >
> >
> > An old friend asked me to play in a culture bar he
> recently opened,
> > so I could not say no as I usualy do since I find
> a silent ambient
> > necessary for the music to evolve. And here in
> Salvador its so humid
> > and alive that you hardly can use carpet and foam,
> and people have
> > strong voices. So there is no way to play over the
> noise, the louder
> > you play the louder they speak.
> > But music is usefull anyway and live is allways
> better and I had fun,
> > yesterday:
> >
> > In the afternoon I programmed my first funny
> patterns into the HR16
> > drum and took it along in the evening.
> > I connected it as slave and put the EDP to
> Sync=Out.
> > I discovered the folowing ways:
> >
> > The groovy way:
> > Select a drum pattern and hit RECORD twice at a
> speed you feel in the air
> ;-).
> > Probably 8 or 16 8th/beat for a loop of 1,5...4
> seconds.
> > Listen to the drum. If that pattern sounds
> horrible at that speed,
> > select another.
> > Soon lay down a base with OVERDUB or rather
> MULTIPLY.
> > Keep it simple because complex overlaying will not
> be audible and
> > increase the ambient noise.
> > Then melody and/or solo. Catch the eventual eyes
> looking at you and
> > talk with them through the instrument. Use
> distortion or brass sounds
> > because they are clearly audible in the noise,
> even at a non
> > disturbing volume.
> >
> > The romantic way:
> > Mute the drum and start the song with a sequence
> of harmonies and
> > overdub a bass and maybe a short crying note (like
> a brass chord...)
> > at the end of the loop. Try to find how many bars
> you played and
> > calculate the 8th/beat necessary. Or be courageous
> and guess 32 and
> > open the drums a bit. If it sounds horrible,
> change 8th/beat. Grow a
> > bit with some intro melody and then fade the drums
> in or grow some
> > more and bring it up as a surprise.
> >
> > Combined:
> > Set to 8 8th/beat, mute the drum and record a
> short loop with some
> > marking (but harmonically not defining) noise in
> it. Or set the drum
> > to mark discretely. Then Multiply the harmony
> sequence over the
> > marking noise. It becomes more acurate and you can
> play any number of
> > bars of harmonies without disturbing the drums.
> >
> > Now here is what I want:
> > A drum machine that has a tap for tempo and adjust
> it to the
> > MIDIclock coming in.
> > And before I tap, its silent. Just like a MIDI
> EDP, once again :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > At some stage you can overdub a lot and throw in a
> lot of reverb to
> > simply drown the room, chop a short part with
> MULTIPLY-RECORD and end
> > up in some penetrating effect queeks that spill
> over into a big bassy
> > harmonic wave of sea that calmes down. There is a
> chance that the
> > listeners pay atention for the next minute, so
> thats when you can
> > really send your message... ;-)
> >
> > A traditional trick to get atention is to break
> (no, not that bar,
> > not for a drink, you are in a bar :-) and then
> continue with impact.
> > But to me it sounds old fashioned, not flowing.
> >
> > I turned out pretty rocky for ambient music...
> > Case someone wants to hear the result: I taped it
> but its horrible, I
> > wont show it to anyone. I had almost the same bad
> listening
> > condictions as the public, which is usefull to
> create the correct
> > sound mix and find an understandable way of
> expression. But then, on
> > the recording, you hear all the unwanted noises
> and inacuracies, so
> > forget that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some list members must have a lot more experience
> whith all this, so tell
> us!
> >
> >
> >           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
> >
> 


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