Andre comes back to the old question...

[Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>]

>Chris Roberts wrote:
>
>>  intention?
>
>OK.  So then, if the intention of a typical singer-songwriter with a
>DL-4 is to loop something under his solos, then the intention of a
>"looper" is...?
>
>I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here at all - I would
>simply love to have a better understanding of a seemingly arbitrary
>distinction which I've been trying (and failing) to understand for 
>years...

I think you really do understand what Rick was saying.
You want a definition but dont help for it to happen.
As if people were not allowed to use words without having a definition for 
it.

when someone sais to you: "I love you"
do you say: "Pardon me for asking, but... what do you mean by love?"
LOL
yes, there is brother love, hot love, platonic love, real love, ...
but it all does not mean anything unless you feel it... or what?

but you did not cite Rick quite correctly:
>He's a typical singer/songwriter.........not a looper, per se

so it seems that in his language the guy is a looper because he uses 
loops but not a "looper per se",
maybe because its not his main interest as Chris points out nicely
or because "real looping" (just to tease you ;-) rather suggests a A 
A' A''... structure than A B A C A... or whatever makes a "typical 
singer/songwriter" (hey whats this? define! ;-)

about the tool defining the art or even the person:
I play the guitar, so I am a guitarist
I play the percussion, but I am not really good at it, so I am not a 
percussionist.
Some guitarists that play very badly, but they are guitarists anyway, 
just because they have that function / fascination...
Someone may be fanatic about using loops more than playing any 
specific instrument, so why not call him a looper.
Others go on to play their songs as before, but care to enrich them 
with some loops. So they probably still are songwriters and not 
loopers.


my main message:
Its not so difficult, once you want to understand and use the expression.
If you want to find a perfect definition, or worse: if you want to 
prove that there is no perfect definition, you will always be right, 
but loose a peaceful communication.

If we can join forces to find a definition description of looping or 
Live Looping or whatever, thats certainly helpfull! So far all atempt 
on this list were strangled by the question whether there is such 
thing or what the correct name would be. Tiring, I must say :-(

I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to 
inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life 
easier.
The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard 
definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months.
But what did you win, really?
Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-)

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