Re: Multi track editing question and cool software solutions

["Tony K" <bigtony@softhome.net>]

Hi all,

I guess I'll have to introduce myself first.  My name is Tony and I'm a 
looper.  My current setup involves an insane routing of a Digitech DDL, 
Arion (cheapo) stereo delay, DL4, Adrenalinn, an RP2000, and various and 
sundry old effects, into and back out of a Behringer mixer.  I drive it 
all 
with a GR50, Korg M3R, and a D50.

You can hear some of my rough explorations at 
http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/exploring.htm
and my latest foray... http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/bloopy.mp3 (very 
rough, needs some major editing, but what the heck.)

My main multitracker is Sonar 4.  I'm very happy with it.  I can use 
VST/DX 
synths, multiple inputs.  It integrates well with Sound Forge.  However, 
it's not cheap.

My other favorite is AudioMulch for doing pc based loop stuff.  Lots of 
cool 
synths including Crystal, Absynth, etc.

The problem with ASIO as I understand it is not a limitation of the 
drivers, 
but a limitation in the ASIO spec.  My suggestion would be to run Live 
with 
ASIO, and set Wavelab to use MME/WDM or something else.  Wav editing isn't 
as latency freakish as real-time recording.  There's not really any reason 
not to do it that way.  I don't think tech support at M-Audio will help, I 
think it's an ASIO issue.  I have an Audiophile and I had a bit of trouble 
getting it to work with my SoundBlaster, and the tech guys were great.

A friend of mine really likes Tracktion, which is free right now.  The new 
version is coming out soon, so they are releasing the current version for 
free.  Nice app, works well, and cheap!

I'll also second using Tuareg2 for loop construction/destruction.  Fun 
program to play with.

that is all,
Tony

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "the toy room" <thetoyroom@comcast.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Multi track editing question and cool software solutions


> Hey all,
> I could definitely use some opinions on my audio working situation.  I
> have a 1.7ghz P4 Carillon running Windows 2000, with an M-Audio Delta 66
> card and the Omni breakout box.
>
> Ableton Live is my primary program, and running that under ASIO, it's
> fine.  The problem comes in when I need to edit.
>
> My prog of choice thus far has been Wavelab 4.  However, The Delta 66
> ASIO driver will not allow both Ableton and Wavelab to use ASIO at the
> same time, so Wavelab will revert to WDM if Ableton is running.  If I
> shut down Ableton, Wavelab can use the ASIO, but I can't be shutting
> down my composition app every time I need to edit a waveform.
>
> The performance of Wavelab under WDM is very spotty.  If I alter my
> selection on the waveform while playing in loop mode, the output stops.
> I have to stop playing, then start playing again for the audio to come
> back.  Sound quality is also not as good as the ASIO either, but it's
> these dropouts in the audio that have got me most flustered.
>
> So, I read the posts regarding Adobe Audition with interest and
> downloaded the trial.  Following a successful installation, I had the
> audio drop out while altering the loop points during
> playback....grrr....same as Wavelab.  This led me to believe that the
> M-Audio driver is somehow glitchy, so I download and install the latest
> driver.  The performance of Audition seems to improve considerably and I
> don't get any audio dropouts during playback.
>
> Now, I see that some of you are using Audition as a rewire host.  I
> think, "great...I can have a recording program that is a straightforward
> 'timeline' based solution (Audition), that I can do waveform edits in
> (Audition), and I can rewire my loop based program to (Ableton Live)".
>
> I do use Live as a straightforward recording device and multitracker,
> but sometimes I want to just record something without it being looped,
> or attempted to warp it to a set tempo.
>
> As soon as I enable Audition as a Rewire host and launch Ableton, I get
> no more audio output.  What?  Shut down Ableton, restart Audition
> without the rewire hosting, back to normal.  Engage Rewire hosting,
> start Ableton...no audio output.
>
> Grr...I don't know where to start troubleshooting!  Do I deal with tech
> support with M-Audio?  Adobe?  Ableton?
>
> Does anybody use a standalone recording app that hosts Ableton
> successfully as a slave?
>
> Frustrated,
> Rich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:15 PM
> To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
> Subject: RE: Multi track editing question and cool software solutions
>
> Along with Sony's Vegas (damn, I want to keep calling it Sonic Foundry's
>
> Vegas since they developed it and Sony only bought them out)
> which is a wonderful and very intuitive audio program there is also
> Adobe's
> AUDITION which used to be called Cool Edit Pro.
> It allows for multi track editing and has all the cool features of
> programs
> like Sony SOUNDFORGE and Steinberg's WAVE LAB.
>
> It also has a wonderful convolution algorithms as well as a couple of
> idiosncratic features like the MUSIC feature which allows you to
> notate a melody and then have your sample play that melody in real time
> over
> the length of the sample.
>
> What's amazing about that program is that it was fully functional in
> 1989!!!!   Way out ahead of the other sound editing programs.
>
> What I love about the SONY/Sonic Foundry programs is that they are
> amongst
> the most intuitive and easy to learn programs on the market and if you
> understand ACID,  it's a cinch to understand SOUND FORGE and VEGAS and
> vice
> versa.
> I'd be primarily a Mac person to this day if that family had been ported
> to
> the Mac five years ago......................lol,  but then I wouldn't be
>
> able to use
> FLStudio, which is my favorite program in the universe right now and the
> one
> I composed nearly all of my new CD on.    That program, imho, is the
> best
> bang for the buck (at $150) in the entire musical software realm (with
> the
> exception of the $25 it takes to by full versions of the loop slicer TU
> 2
> and the wonderful granular synthesis program that list member Michael
> Peters
> uses so beautifully----Granulab).
>
>
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