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Re: Midi looping
Sorry for showing you this JamMan very nice "feature"...
Keep me informed if you find a workaround.
I am also including the explanation I got from Bob Sellon:
There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you
can fix the other you can't.
When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end
of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the
of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end
the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter
than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the
loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and
once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The
solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a
second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit.
The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks
and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a
loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that
most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same
neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in
Jamman is to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The
problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman
and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of
the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop
changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very
beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks
and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse and
so do the clicks and pops.
As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as
you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other
thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place
percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I
am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I come
up with anything.
If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd
love to hear it.
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Assunto: Re: Midi looping
Autor: "Robert S. Carter" <email@example.com> na INTERNET
Data: 17/07/1900 11:38
Y'know I never really heard the glitch so much until I went home after
reading your post and listened carefully. Now it's gonna bug the hell
out of me. Thanks a lot :). Some loops it's not so bad but yeah it can
be annoying. Once layered with the multiple loops I get going on the
Nord synth I think it's barely noticable (or at least it used to be). I
geuss I might reconsider ways use the JamMan as the master. The problem
is I need clock before recording a loop and the JamMan won't do that.
But now I'm thinking I could record a blank loop to generate clock from
the JamMan and then use punch-in mode to record the now synced synth.
I'll have to try this tonite. BOB.
> Robert S. Carter:
> >So I send that clock to both the JamMan and the synth and the two are
> >as one. Let's say I start an arpeggiated pattern on the synth (synced
> >to clock), I start recording a loop on the JamMan and what pops out is
> >a perfectly timed replicate of the pattern. I can then use that as a
> >backdrop for more syncronized synth patterns and noises.
> How do you manage the annoying noise (sounds like a small glitch) that
> appears next to the loop boundary when the JamMan is receiving MIDI
> I tried to get rid of it with all kinds of tricks I could think of but
> did not succeed.