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Re:VG8-or 2112

        Basically I agree with  all that follows on the mixer.  To all this
I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a 
deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as 
sends and have four effects, 2 on each send).  Their manuals are easy to
understand and in conjuction with the Torn video and some time, you'll be
able to do all sorts of fun stuff.
        I have a VG and use it with a 1202 and have a JamMan and Boss 
tied into Aux send 1 and the Echoplex in Aux 2.  The VG8 can also do
looping, although you don't have a lot of time available.  You can set the
amount of regenration to be controlled by the expression pedal so you can
loop and play over the loop without recording by rocking back and forth on
the pedal  (Thanks to David Coffin for that trick).  The pickup sounds are
quite good, very reasonable approximations.  With a little patience and
tweaking, you can get them to sound even better.  
        There's a VG website (www.vg-8.com) to which a lot of folks submit
their patches for easy download and a discussion list akinb to this one,
although not quite as busy.  I find the guitar and amp sounds work really
well and I love the HRM aspects of it as well.  I just released a CD and
recorded 85% of the trcks using the VG8 directly.  To my ears, they sound 
good as the old fashioned tracks with a strat, SansAmp etc. into an AC30.  
        I still play with my amp from time to time, but live I run through
the PA.  My back works much better as a result.  
        This is a great device with a lot of levels to it.  I've never 
the 2112 so I have no way to make a comparison.

Frank Gerace

At 08:53 PM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the 
>to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many
>effect send as possible.
>With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input channels 
>or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs )
>Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx 
>sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other
>mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to 
>effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return )
> Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends.  NB: you really have to 
>spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably the 
>biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the 
>can be very interesting.
>Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only  two fx sends, 
>a pre and a post. Pre is better, as
>you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that 
>channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the
>channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels 
>output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final 
>output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a 
>etc ). Big setup !
>A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David 
>video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I
>could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of 
>experimentation to puzzle over.
>Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a tascam 
>688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy
>little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the 
>isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge..
>Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which can 
>take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer.
>This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it.
>Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar 
>where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar 
>means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming 
>of the mixer.
>I'm off now to get a life.
>hope this helps
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  ur eye [SMTP:ureye@hotmail.com]
>Sent:  19 October 1998 02:45
>To:    Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Subject:       VG-8 or 2112
>Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to
>choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the
>parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the
>VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from
>you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop
>setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to
>move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50
>also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog
>sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the
>Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here
>lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG
>reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways?
>Thanks, -Dennis
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