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Re: VG8-or 2112
Frank Gerace wrote:
> Basically I agree with all that follows on the mixer. To all
> I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a
> deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as
> sends and have four effects, 2 on each send). Their manuals are easy to
> understand and in conjuction with the Torn video and some time, you'll be
> able to do all sorts of fun stuff. What do you think of the Berringer
> equivalent of the 1202. Same quality, less dough? James
> I have a VG and use it with a 1202 and have a JamMan and Boss
> tied into Aux send 1 and the Echoplex in Aux 2. The VG8 can also do
> looping, although you don't have a lot of time available. You can set
> amount of regenration to be controlled by the expression pedal so you can
> loop and play over the loop without recording by rocking back and forth
> the pedal (Thanks to David Coffin for that trick). The pickup sounds
> quite good, very reasonable approximations. With a little patience and
> tweaking, you can get them to sound even better.
> There's a VG website (www.vg-8.com) to which a lot of folks
> their patches for easy download and a discussion list akinb to this one,
> although not quite as busy. I find the guitar and amp sounds work really
> well and I love the HRM aspects of it as well. I just released a CD and
> recorded 85% of the trcks using the VG8 directly. To my ears, they
> good as the old fashioned tracks with a strat, SansAmp etc. into an AC30.
> I still play with my amp from time to time, but live I run
> the PA. My back works much better as a result.
> This is a great device with a lot of levels to it. I've never
> the 2112 so I have no way to make a comparison.
> Frank Gerace
> At 08:53 PM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the
> >to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many
> >effect send as possible.
> >With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input
> >or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs )
> >Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx
> >sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other
> >mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to
> >effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return )
> > Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends. NB: you really have
> >spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably
> >biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the
> >can be very interesting.
> >Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only two fx sends,
> >a pre and a post. Pre is better, as
> >you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that
> >channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the
> >channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels
> >output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final
> >output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a
> >etc ). Big setup !
> >A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David
> >video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I
> >could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of
> >experimentation to puzzle over.
> >Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a
> >688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy
> >little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the
> >isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge..
> >Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which
> >take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer.
> >This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it.
> >Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar
> >where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar
> >means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming
> >of the mixer.
> >I'm off now to get a life.
> >hope this helps
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ur eye [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> >Sent: 19 October 1998 02:45
> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >Subject: VG-8 or 2112
> >Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to
> >choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the
> >parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the
> >VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from
> >you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop
> >setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to
> >move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50
> >also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog
> >sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the
> >Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here
> >lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG
> >reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways?
> >Thanks, -Dennis
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