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Re: Drum-machine song construction tips?

Hey Mark, and all rhythmatists,
    I've been pretty jazzed on the Zoom RT-223. It's been out about 6
months, I got one to demo a couple weeks ago, and I haven't turned on my
Alesis HR-16 since. The long skinny:
* 3 banks of 13 sounds = 39 sounds per drum set
* great and varied sounds. Natural sets, in-yer-face sets, a bunch of
_vocal_  hip-hop sounds (y'know, spit-in-a-mic stuff), dumbeks, djembes,
tabla (sorry, no whummmp bass glissando tone but plenty of nice clicky
attacks and other drums have excellent bass resonances), gamelan, temple
bells, sound effects... and three octaves of bass/synth tones!
* assignable effects including reverbs, delays (up to 600ms), flangers,
phasers, lo-fi, compression, distortion, etc.
* pads feel G_R_E_A_T! (those friggin' Alesis pads were like hitting mah
jong tiles!)
* of particular note to Mr. Sottilaro, you can assign different patterns to
different pads and trigger up to four patterns at one time, always in sync
to whatever level of quantization you choose to define. So you can prepare
thirteen patterns in one "song," and start/stop patterns as your mood
* tres portable. runs on batteries or wall wart. about the size of a
*midi in. stereo out. seperate headphone out.

basically this thing is like the poor man's Boss DR-880. About $175 US.
more info:

 Yours in the rhythm of life,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic
hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. 
also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. Thompson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark sottilaro" <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: Drum-machine song construction tips?

> Hi.
> I've been using drum machines for years, and for the
> last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon
> JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always
> worked great (and still does) but I think I use my
> drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way.  I
> use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to put
> together dense loops and then kind of randomly
> mute/unmute tracks while in song mode.  The lack of
> traditional song structure is great for the way I like
> to improvise.
> Well, this weekend I decided to put together something
> with a more "pop" structure and I found the song modes
> on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward
> compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, I
> ended up with nothing.
> So, am I just spoiled by modern computer sequencing...
> or am I approaching the drum machine song construction
> in the wrong way?  My idea is to avoid having to bring
> a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much
> easier I'll do it.  I can get around pretty quickly in
> Digital Performer 4... then I started to think "well
> if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not use
> it as a sound source as well?"  The ESX-1 is a sampler
> and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd have
> issues with a laptop not being able to have fast
> enough processors.
> So, if there's a song construction tip that you can
> think of, I'd love to hear it.  If you've found a
> better tool that lets one work more intuitively, (the
> Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU
> IMO) I'd like to hear that as well.  If song
> construction in modern drum-machines is just a big
> pain compared to software, than I guess I'll abandon
> my little cute boxes for my current project.
> Thanks,
> Mark