Great ideas Rick! Often I try to use that mentality when programming, but probably more often that not I'm going for a more machine thing... I just like to keep my machines machiney and my humans humany. During my stint with Laurie Anderson I remember a conversation with David Van Tingham where she was asking for, "more machine like." He was able to instantly mimic the Linn sound. Really, the only difference with what I'm attempting now it that I want to do a ABABCAB type of song structure with a base rhythmic structure and evolving percussion over it. I think I may have solved my problem: Scrap the song mode on the drum machine. Make the loops on the drum machine and use a computer sequencer to record that via MIDI and then edit it into the song structure you need. I was able to get a ton of work done last night that would have taken forever if I'd tried to do it on the XL-7 or ESX-1.