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Re: Re: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs

On 2/5/2013 4:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
Here it is also interesting to analyze "The Rolling Stones
Phenomenon"; several ensemble members stretching the timing into
different directions but still not falling out of the groove. No
randomization algorithm can fake that:-)
I once heard someone mention an interview with the Stone's drummer, Charlie Watts.

He said that the leader of the Stones rhythm section (unlike most other rock and roll rhythm sections who are led by either drummers or bassists) was Keith Richards, the rhythm guitarist.

He said that Bill Wyman, the bassist, listened entirely to Richards to get 'the groove' and 'the timing'. Watts, himself, only listened to Wyman..................so you had this unusual human 'latency' train of a rhythm

they are loose as hell but they are never playing 'wrong'. They just follow each other with a train effect.

Fascinating because I've never heard any cover band pull off their sound accurately (unlike, say, the Beatles,
Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails or other cover bands).

Their rhythmic 'stew' just fascinates me. Once could easily write a P.H.D dissertation on it's analysis and the world
would be the better for it.


ps parenthetically, Richards who was a constant junkie and drug addict, would occasionally just drop a beat,
making an inadvertent 7/8 bar out of a bar of 8ths notes in 4/4.
Wyman and Watts trained themselves to just 'hiccup' to catch up to Richards, knowing that he'd never
make it back to the original time after his mistake.

I once played with a brilliant rhythm guitarist who would very occasionally, just drop an 8th note in a rock groove. The fantastic bassist in that band and I finally realized that when he would do this, that 1) he didn't know he'd done it and 2) even if he did, he couldn't get back to the original groove know matter how hard he tries.

We trained ourselves to just 'hiccup' quickly and drop a beat so that we'd always be together, despite the rhythmic mistake.

This was the first time in my life where I realized that playing together always trumped playing accurately. It really helped me in dozens of later singer/songwriter record production sessions when talented singer/songwriters who were NOT accomplished musicians would come in and make rhythmic mistakes in the recording studios that were, nonetheless, musical as long as the drummer and bassist 'caught' them and played together.