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RE: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs



"...playing together trumps playing accurately."
RICK--THAT is what I'm talking about --have been for years! Feel each other's groove and be there! I've only been in this state of bliss with a few players in my whole life!
I'll be using that _expression_ this weekend at band practice!
 
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 03:27:50 -0800
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: perboysen@gmail.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs
>
> On 2/5/2013 4:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
> > Here it is also interesting to analyze "The Rolling Stones
> > Phenomenon"; several ensemble members stretching the timing into
> > different directions but still not falling out of the groove. No
> > randomization algorithm can fake that:-)
> I once heard someone mention an interview with the Stone's drummer,
> Charlie Watts.
>
> He said that the leader of the Stones rhythm section (unlike most other
> rock and roll rhythm sections who are
> led by either drummers or bassists) was Keith Richards, the rhythm
> guitarist.
>
> He said that Bill Wyman, the bassist, listened entirely to Richards to
> get 'the groove' and 'the timing'.
> Watts, himself, only listened to Wyman..................so you had this
> unusual human 'latency' train of a rhythm
> section.
>
> they are loose as hell but they are never playing 'wrong'. They just
> follow each other with a train effect.
>
> Fascinating because I've never heard any cover band pull off their sound
> accurately (unlike, say, the Beatles,
> Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails or other cover bands).
>
> Their rhythmic 'stew' just fascinates me. Once could easily write a
> P.H.D dissertation on it's analysis and the world
> would be the better for it.
>
> /R.
>
> ps parenthetically, Richards who was a constant junkie and drug
> addict, would occasionally just drop a beat,
> making an inadvertent 7/8 bar out of a bar of 8ths notes in 4/4.
> Wyman and Watts trained themselves to just 'hiccup' to catch up to
> Richards, knowing that he'd never
> make it back to the original time after his mistake.
>
> I once played with a brilliant rhythm guitarist who would very
> occasionally, just drop an 8th note in a rock groove.
> The fantastic bassist in that band and I finally realized that when he
> would do this, that 1) he didn't know he'd done
> it and 2) even if he did, he couldn't get back to the original groove
> know matter how hard he tries.
>
> We trained ourselves to just 'hiccup' quickly and drop a beat so that
> we'd always be together, despite the rhythmic mistake.
>
> This was the first time in my life where I realized that playing
> together always trumped playing accurately.
> It really helped me in dozens of later singer/songwriter record
> production sessions when talented singer/songwriters who
> were NOT accomplished musicians would come in and make rhythmic mistakes
> in the recording studios that were, nonetheless,
> musical as long as the drummer and bassist 'caught' them and played
> together.
>
> /R.
>