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This is the issue with the Plex for me - I really want one bad, but you have to pay to play. And I just bought a Vortex so it will be some months off. o I've seen Banana's pricing on their web page (about $598) o Haight Ashbury Music on their web page (about $549) o Nadine's supposedly will sell them for $500. o And Manny's also supposedly will sell for around $475. Nadine's and Manny's seems to be the most attractive pricings. I'll have to see if I can get in touch with them or find a catalog somewhere... I suppose I could do something rash like sell a guitar or a bunch of CDs to speed up the process, but I'd kick myself later. Saving the conventional way means months of scrimping since I'm a married guy and "being a responsible adult means paying bills before buying luxuries" -Guitar Sam. Maybe I should sell some of the old stomp- boxes I've had lying around doing nothing for a while? The Jam Man I've seen for about $350 - I'd rather have the 'Plex since it's got the expandability and more functions (not to mention more LIGHTS ON THE CONTROL PANEL - [what my friend Jim would say has a high KPD [knobs (lights) per dollar] factor] and has a much more substantial footswitch as well as more memory from the get go and uses standard SIMMs instead of ZIP ram. I've got an idea: but no idea how to implement it: maybe we should do a GROUP PURCHASE and get some kind of volume discount from some nice music store somewhere? Not only would we benefit, but the store would also benefit in moving an "esoteric" piece of equipment and maybe Oberheim would then award the store with "mover and shaker of the month" certificate or something like that. Todd Madson PressMate Product Specialist LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support Corporate Web Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/ Personal W3 Site: http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html Personal e-mail: crash@waste.org