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In reply to me saying: ">It seems that we were unable to generate a lot of interest in these products >until after we stopped manufacturing them." neato says: "why so final???seems like a bigger better mousetrap (looper) may be just what's needed! seems kind of strange to backout on the eve of what seems to be the revolution...back to the drawing board boys cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius" Well I would not give up hope. The MPX1 does incorporate a looper, perhaps not the looper everyone is looking for but it shows a sign of us "big boys" not abandoning the concept. The MPX1 also incorporates a number of the Vortex algorithms and even more control over morphing. If you people want to see all of the manufacturers run and create loopers I will tell you what it will take: Not the esoteric kinds of things that we all love to create and listen to because we know what is good, but something that the great unwashed masses can enjoy as well. I hate to say it, but there are not many artists who are musicians-musicians as well as pop stars. Just look at how many different kinds of distortion pedals have become available since the explosion of bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam! Best regards, ghogan@lexicon.com