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Dear T.W. Hartnett: Thanks for your informative post about the Zoom 508 but the LoOpDoctOrs must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be accessed if you "have the instructions." We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art (and we mean by that the cumulative impact of firmware/software/and hardware)...and feel strongly that the "studio" mentality has contributed to some of the mistakes in design that make these pieces more difficult to use live then they need be. We will be elated when the people responsible for designing the next generation of loopers become as thoughtful about the real world live application of their creations as say Steve Klein was when he designed his incredible electric guitar, or the Steinway family was when they produced the grandest of grand pianos In short, here's a test: put a Klein guitar or a Steinway piano in front of a five year old who has never SEEN a guitar or a piano before. With both instruments that said five year old will immediately get it. He will sit down and begin strumming or plunking away, and he will accomplish this because the Klein guitar and the Steinway piano have been adapted to make music with the human mind and body (even a tiny one). Now put the Zoom 508 pedal in front of that same five year old...within a very short time he will throw it across the room. In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry when it comes to looper ergonomics. And we still think that when dug up in future archeological expeditions, Zoom products will be mistaken for windshield scrapers, arch supports, or tax notarization devices, rather then what the nominally intended to be...music makers for real human beings. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs