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Interesting point... I was just thinking of the Vortex interface in terms of hardware, software, and sonics. Sonically, the Vortex is most effective in the studio. Its subtleties are often lost live. But it is also missing midi, the most basic studio interface. I keep my patches in a notebook, not on a computer! Worse still, the footpedal interface makes it a pain to advance through programs in a structured live setting. It's a wonderfully cool device, but can you imagine it with midi? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort