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You know, all this talk of interfaces, especially tracking where you are in a loop, reminds me of the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay. It had a slider for a click track, which controlled both an LED and an optional audible click. It flashed in a rhythmic pattern, and the slider controlled both the rate, and a variety of patterns. This way, you could tune the number of beats/bars flashed over the course of the loop. Excellent bit of interface, that. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort