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I just joined this list a couple days ago and I'm finding it refreshing that there are so many interesting ideas floating around here. I wish I could hear some of the results of these discussions. Anyways, thanks to Dave T for the kind comments, too. Anyway the PDS8000, tho primitive and 'old school' is one of the most amazing units I've ever heard - it can be both organic and warm or cold and elektronik. I've dubbed it the "improv-pedal" (as opposed to the "grunge pedal") because every electronic improvisor seems to have one or at least had one, including Elliot Sharp, Zeena Parkins, No Neck Blues band, Doug Theriault, etc... My main complaint with it is that if you change the delay parameter (2/4/8 secs) or the mode(normal/trigger/sample) it takes 8 seconds for it to reset itself and basically doesn't work for that amount of time. That's why I use a DFX-94 as second unit, since it can switch from mode to mode instantaneously (tho it,too has problems, such as when you try to loop a sample, it sometimes goes into input/record mode, erasing the sample). Nonetheless, the above setup has enabled me to get just about every perverted sound my mind can come up with. Also it looks cool to be twisting knobs and slapping pedals like an animal (or so I've heard). A final note - I thought this could only have come from a fantasy dream sequence, but no it was true. I was in Baltimore and met John Berndt, electro-acoustic uber-composer, and when he saw my PDS8000, he took out this box and showed me HIS PDS8000, which looked like an evil twin. It had several additional buttons and toggle switches that he had installed himself and it was like a HOTROD from HELL. I've never heard anything like it. He tried explaining to me what they all did, but my feeble mind couldn't take it all in. Truly amazing. That guy is nuts. ed chang