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<<I think most people who want to do nutty midi tricks like this just use Opcode's Max. ... advantage of max is you program it, so it's uniquely your thing and you don't have to be confined to someone else's ideas, or their need to make a profit.>> I've been gazing at Max with interest for years, and am even on the Max list...but trying to make sense of the hi-level gibberish of all those MAX-heads has been pretty fatal to my interest, not being a programmer... I know, all you programmer types think that anyone can get going with just a little effort, but I've already wasted WAY too much time trying to get anything but garbage and tech support frequent flyer miles out of WAY too many expensive software packages that just weren't plug-and-play enough for my math-free liberal arts background. And staring at a computer screen just isn't my idea of making music, much as I love the possibilities, and have been seduced by them (I even dig manuals, go figure!). I've got two Macs, a slew of arcane and expensive MIDI programs and Digidesign stuff, and am finally realizing that I'm just a hardware, dedicated-box, real-time, stomp-on-it kinda guy..... Thanks for the tip, tho! dpc