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Hey, One of the ways that I create a Torn-esque soundscape is by using a volume pedel and a verity of effects (reverb, pitchshift with lots of feed back, and other time based effects) I use a lexicon JamMan to actualize the loop. After I layer it until I acheive a desired result, I stop adding and then play over the loop, often in a very minimal fashion, which can give the effect that the loop itself is changing. When I do actually want the loop to change, I open the loop for additional layering and then send a fade message (via midi) and begin adding new stuff. In this way I can totally transform my loop over time, basicly "morfing" my loop into a new loop. If you choose a long fade time this can be very sublle and beautiful. If you don't have a looping device, I more than recommend the JamMan in it a 32 second configuration for a cheep, down and dirty way of looping. The problem is that they're out of production and hard to find. If you've got some cash and patience, wait until they start producing the Oberheim Echoplex again. I hear that they are great. Mark Sottilaro.