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Yes - one thing I like to do shout into the pickups of my guitar and loop the output. Sounds quite otherworldly once it's made it's way through a few effects. And then reversing the lot becomes quite a trip. However, I don't do this live much. Comes off as kinda too much when doing these loopy textures and then seeing some bloke scream into his guitar. Then again, maybe I should - and enhance the Neanderthal humour factor. (so often drained when everyone is sitting about listening). David -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com [SMTP:Texture444@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 1998 7:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, radios, minimalism ed, thanks for the stockhausen info-shite. on the 'nother tip, i've been using a coupla microcassette recorders, clocks, me voice & toys into guitar pickups for a bit of a while. best, dt