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Laurie, I think you could make an extension from speech into more difficult listening styles. But there are stereotypes and the "non-statistical" norm which most of us seem to be, though myself I often wonder, especially when in U.T.'s Chorus, and ensemble. I often find myself sliding up to notes, because I'm not sure of pitches, usually I can get lost by what other music lines people are singing. I've been singing for several years so the justification of not hitting do is not going to cut it, I just seem to be elsewhere... I'm a bass, been known to hit a Db below solid (my one redemption from weak highs)... This might actually be against my sex in that if I can't focus on my own line, and only want to listen to the whole thing, I'm not focusing on one thing... Choirs themselves are very loop oriented. It's very interesting, especially in more modern works, travelling in a sound wall of a dissonant chord. A Seattle composer, conductor named Karen P. Thomas wrote a piece called Gloves, which is sung demandingly in the above. (BTW, what does this list usually talk about? Something about >loops? Trying to remember...) > >and smiles to you from Mjh > > > >