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I don't know about the term "serious"; sometimes I'm pretty silly... [dodging fruit]. I use the loop process as a start. The setup - compressor/fuzz->loop->effect->PC->Speakers->etc - remains intact in the living room with easy access to the other instruments and the home stereo/video/TV setup. In a way it's like the family piano in an electronic way, in that I can just walk up to it and lay down a track, close the loop, and let the loop run for an indeterminate time. I also have a mike and other things besides a guitar that I put into the loop. It's a way for me to instantaneously do an audio kind of "I-Ching toss". The more transparent I am to it, the more true the "throw" is, and so forth. And so it begins to have a spiritual edge at times. Since I have an interest in the insertion or incursion of ambient/looping into popular music, it so implies that these loops used would be repeatable, as in the case of repeated performance. If I was going to perform the material live, repeatedly, in a "set" a club owner didn't have to perform a leap of faith to allow me to perform ("JUST like on the tape?"), it was going to have to be something I could also remember. I don't compose in the parochial sense (no written staffs and such), I envision the piece as a Whole Thing, which can be dissected mentally in the layers that would (in part) also constitute the loops for the piece, and the other instruments. I draw in this way: the pencil doesn't often touch paper until I have an Entire Vision of what I'm going to draw in my mind's eye. So it goes for my music, at least at this time, and as far as I've dared to analyze its process. Thanks to Our Pals In Sacramento I take the bus, which in Los Angeles means a lot of keeping to yourself, keeping people from thinking they even want to bother you (on occasion), and waiting. In those spans of time, while walking in rhythm, perhaps, or just standing, I'll be thinking of the piece, over and over again. If the piece lasts the day, since for some reason I'm not distracted from it throughout the day (even when I was working at a music company), then it survives to be worked with, experimenting with moves for it that "work", that express the feel of the vision itself.. Sometimes I start out with the base loop running on the Ol' Time Machine for days at a time, and mentally or physically work with possible melodies to go with it. One thing I've found quite interesting is that, when one goes into another room, while the loop's playing, it's possible to "hear" different songs entirely. On occasion inspiration for variations on the piece, or complete other songs altogether (in one case, a suite), have emerged from this process. It continues to be a journey I continue to enjoy, without at any time, I assure you, feeling like I know EVERYTHING about what I'm doing. I was very influenced way back, by Robert Fripp's discussions of what he initially termed "Roscotronics", and some of the marvelous material done with Peter Gabriel and Daryl Hall; and, while I know that eventually producers may eventually pick up on looping, I question everyone and their sister being able to Put This Stuff Together equally as well, if at all; so I think we all still have quite a lot of fun at least to be had with looping in general. I think of it this way in terms of the most desirable-to-most possible, which some might call best-to-worst: On the top, Successful use of looping / ambience in pop music, whether the public notices or not (probably not, if it's "real" ambience); On the bottom, you've got ambient music you can continue to enjoy listening to, if you like that sort of thing. :) So it's a win-win situation. Situational-ambient music may be coming into a vogue level with some people as well, where folks in far-flung regions of the world can order a CD and turn their living rooms or cars into Other Than What They Are, if for a short period of time. I have a lot of good feelings about that too. Stephen Goodman * It's... The Loop Of The Week (this week, Phil Hartman)! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios