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what i had always thought of as a short-coming of the rang, the way it attenuates the original loops, the more you stack loops the first ones diminish in volume until they are gone. last nite i was jammin with a friend and we both were going through the rang, i put in some chords and a little bass and a little coloration (accents etc.) and then we played over this loopage. by keeping the stack button (input) depressed we were able to make the loop evolve. the original chords would fade then the bass and so on until there was an entire new base loop. whenever it got interesting i would let up on the stack button and play over the new loop till i wanted to change it again. in all, we went for good while (about 10 mins) with a seamless continually changeing mass (mess) of sound. of course many of the loops were input backwards (still lost in the 60's). this is the first time i had 2 people play into 1 rang and was pleased to see the potential of this set up. so if you gots da rang give this a try. the longer the loop (first) this defines the overall length, the longer it takes to have it evolve with the stack button depressed. this is a wonderful feature of this oh so simple beast. anyone have any other ideas?? rang on.........michael sorry if this is old stuff.