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Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Sounds like a bunch of folks wrapping themselves in the term Fair Use, as > if, once someone else creates an original work, anyone has the right to >use > it as they see fit, as if all defaults to the public domain, as a result >of > publishing. >From my point of view, that's really not the gist of the argument. As has been said before, there's a difference between excerpting or referencing part of a work as opposed to out-and-out ripping off the entire work as one's own. > If this newsletter is mainly populated by people who sample for the >content > of their material, it'd be a surprise, as I've seen enough informed >opinions > on the nature of performance to count this newsletter second to Elephant > Talk. I personally don't use samples of other people's work (except for the factory-sampled individual note sounds in my store-bought sample-playback sound modules), and for me personally I don't like the idea of sampling other people's music in my own. At the same time, some of my very favorite albums are from the electronic/hip-hop realm and are literally bursting at the seams with sometimes hundreds of samples of other people's work. So I vehemently dispute the notion that a person has to make a practice of sampling other people's material in order to be able to personally agree with Negativland's argument for fair use. My own lack of interest in sampling other people's music has nothing to do with the legal issue; it has to do with personal creative issues that I hold only myself accountable for. > How anyone can pretend that gratis use of material someone else > created (and this is a keyword) is justifiable is beyond me, completely. > If > the source is public domain, that's fine. Otherwise, it's just a >softening > of that word noone likes to hear, Theft. Oh, excuse me, "borrowing >without > checking". One of the interesting things that the whole "ethics of sampling" debate argument always tends to bring up is the fact that "borrowing" from other pieces of music happens all the time, and has happened for thousands of years. It's pretty well-known and accepted in all sorts of musics; but when it actually happens in a manner as direct as literally recording the original source of inspiration, suddenly it's a different matter. Here's a couple of examples using everyone's favorite looper-at-large (/sarcasm). There's a tune on the David Sylvian/Robert Fripp album called "Brightness Falls." Now, listen to the opening guitar riff in that tune, and then listen to the opening guitar riff in the Hendrix tune "Foxy Lady." To say that there's a distinct similarity is a mammoth understatement. Yet the writing credits for the music of "Brightness Falls" lists only Fripp, Sylvian, and Trey Gunn. Go back about 20 years and listen to the King Crimson album "In The Wake of Poseidon." There's a 5/4 phrase in the song "The Devil's Triangle" which is lifted directly from a movement of Holst's "The Planets." But there's no Holst listing in the writing credits... > Putting notices on ones products, when they contain samples, modified >from > the source or not, of someone elses work, is just theft with excuses. >How > is that supposed to protect anyone from prosecution for copyright > infringement? Fripp didn't put any notices on either of the two examples above -- he doesn't even make excuses for his theft!. By your own argument, Fripp deserves to be sued by the Hendrix estate for theft of Jimi's work. You could conceivably extend the logic even further, and argue that Fripp deserves to sue every one of his fans who fall under the category of "mild-mannered guitarist who creates ambient electronic music with real-time looping (particularly with an e-bow and/or the New Standard Tuning)" for ripping off his "original" Frippertronics idea. Then Eno could sue Fripp for taking an idea he showed him and slapping his own moniker on it, and Terry Riley could sue the rest of them. The possibilities could go on and on, right up until the inevitable Puff Daddy remix of "21st Century Schizoid Man," replete with Saturday Night Live appearance featuring Fripp and a 20-piece big band. Just where do you draw the line between influence and theft? It seems overly simplistic and unfair to relegate theft wholly to the realm of anybody who's using a sampler, as there are myriad examples of non-sample-based works that are pale-faced rip-offs, as well as many sample-based works that recontextualize their component elements into unrecognizably different forms, to the extent that no one (including the original artists sampled) would ever recognize or associate the source with the final product. (This also brings up another point worth noting: ripping off the compositional element of a piece affects only the copyright holder of the composition. But actually ripping off the recording of a piece also affects the holder of the copyright of that recording. In the overwhelming majority of cases, that's *not* the artist who wrote the tune -- it's the person who contractually owns the recording, which is almost always the record label. Certainly offers a different perspective on why the RIAA might pursue sample clearance more vehemently than mere compositional clearance...) I'm not trying to claim right or wrong in this; I'm merely pointing out how there's one set of generally accepted ethics which deals with this sort of compositional "borrowing" of ideas, and a completely different one that tends to get applied to direct sampling of an audio recording. > the noise made by the sampling community-at-large still smacks of an airy > justification for being caught with their hands in the jar, as if "the >jar > was open! I smelled the cookies!" is an excuse. Given the trouble Negativland is facing, and the tremendous extent to which record labels have had to go to clear any and all obvious samples in recent years, I'd say that the "jar" is far from open. And I don't think the issue is so much whether or not the sample is recognizable (in fact, the Negativland argument seems to revolve around the idea that it should in fact be a readily recognizable cultural reference), but rather, whether or not referencing a work deserves to be considered in the same light as ripping it off wholesale. > This is beginning to smell like the PC vs Mac argument, a >highly-developed > (though only sporadically active) form of intellectual masturbation. Better that than a poorly-developed form of masturbation. Wonder what *that* would smell like... --A