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>im listening to this as i write and all i can think is "how long would it >take 5 monkeys to re-create this music?" i dont want to think this, mind >you, but >that is what keeps going through my head. I perform fairly regularly at the Knit (aka sweatshop of the avante-garde) & have often wondered the same thing - at others gigs as well my own. Usually this comes about because I'm trying to analyse the music in terms of the tradition within which I was taught, namely Contemporary Classical Western harmony/rhythm & "Standards" oriented jazz theory. It's an interesting phenomena - since "anything goes" improv (not the case always, I know, as there are often structures superimposed) is really a new form of music & would seem to require a new theory. I guess it comes down to "Where am I listening from?" If I'm coming from the "no parallel 5ths","ii-V-I" "sonata form" view point I'm sure to drive myself crazy. Of course, I don't listen to rock bands from the perspective of North Indian Classical music - although it would be an interesting (but probably disappointing) experiment! I've come to the personal conclusion that "free music" requires "free listening", which for me comes directly from my experience with meditation. I consider it extremely valuable whether playing or listening. There's lots of Zen epithets that could be used to describe it: "Just Sit", "just don't know" or my personal favorite "shut the f*ck up & listen!!" Seriously though - being able to just hear sounds as they occur and trusting the sounds that you choose as a player has changed they way that I relate to much of the "free" music that I hear & perform. well that's enough of that... peace, john