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Maybe I haven't played with the presets enough. Don't get me wrong, I love my SE. In fact I'm just going to move it over to my DX-7. I never even imagined getting rid of it.Maybe you have some patches that would make me reconsider? As far as the 2112 was concerned I was really impressed with the tube preamplification, not to mention the dual processor which added to the amount of drool I experienced whilst testing that baby. Again, I never really aaltered the SE's patches other than a little noise suppression. I've only been playing guitar for as long as I've owned the SE which is almost a year in addition to learning MIDI so that hasn't left much mental space for redesigning patches. I would definately be interested if you came up with anything sweet. Let me know. Thanks, -D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com