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Frank Gerace wrote: > Basically I agree with all that follows on the mixer. To all >this > I would only add that Mackie 1202s are very big on this list provide a >great > deal of flexibilty in processing (two effects sends that can be used as >mono > sends and have four effects, 2 on each send). Their manuals are easy to > understand and in conjuction with the Torn video and some time, you'll be > able to do all sorts of fun stuff. What do you think of the Berringer >(sp) > equivalent of the 1202. Same quality, less dough? James >jameshsidlo@stic.net > > I have a VG and use it with a 1202 and have a JamMan and Boss >RSP-10 > tied into Aux send 1 and the Echoplex in Aux 2. The VG8 can also do > looping, although you don't have a lot of time available. You can set >the > amount of regenration to be controlled by the expression pedal so you can > loop and play over the loop without recording by rocking back and forth >on > the pedal (Thanks to David Coffin for that trick). The pickup sounds >are > quite good, very reasonable approximations. With a little patience and > tweaking, you can get them to sound even better. > There's a VG website (www.vg-8.com) to which a lot of folks >submit > their patches for easy download and a discussion list akinb to this one, > although not quite as busy. I find the guitar and amp sounds work really > well and I love the HRM aspects of it as well. I just released a CD and > recorded 85% of the trcks using the VG8 directly. To my ears, they >sound as > good as the old fashioned tracks with a strat, SansAmp etc. into an AC30. > I still play with my amp from time to time, but live I run >through > the PA. My back works much better as a result. > This is a great device with a lot of levels to it. I've never >tried > the 2112 so I have no way to make a comparison. > > Frank Gerace > Dreamchild > http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse > > At 08:53 PM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote: > >dennis, > > > >I haven't got a VG8 but do have a Roland GR1 guitar synth. I think the >key > >to flexibility is to utilise a good mixer, one with as many > >effect send as possible. > >With two outputs to process ( guitar + synth ) you use two input >channels ( > >or 3 if the vg8 has stereo outs ) > >Now the signals are in the mixer , where they can be routed via the fx > >sends to various effects units. If you return the fx to other > >mixer inputs then these signals can be sent around again and out to >another > >effect on another send ( or heard on the channel return ) > > Hence the usefulness of a mixer with many sends. NB: you really have >to > >spend time on this, as feedback loops lurk everywhere ! It's probably >the > >biggest 'my brain hurts' inducer involved with this setup, but the >results > >can be very interesting. > >Unortunately you'll find most mixers come with only two fx sends, >usually > >a pre and a post. Pre is better, as > >you don't have to hear the input ( dry guitar, or dry synth ) on that > >channel before you send it out again. A post signal has to have the > >channel fader up before it goes post, so you can't hide that channels > >output. In order to hear the results of all this processing, the final > >output goes stereo out to a power amp and speakers ( or the inputs of a >DAT > >etc ). Big setup ! > >A very good source of ideas on using a mixer and effects is the David >Torn > >video ( number 2 ). Studying this and thinking how I > >could adapt my equipment to dt's ideas has given me many hours of > >experimentation to puzzle over. > >Many people on this list use mackie 1604 mixers. I've been using a >tascam > >688, which has the ability to send to 4 effects, and a handy > >little digital display ( 'scenes' ) to map the signal routing - but the >688 > >isn't really a gigging option, as it's huge.. > >Another useful aid is some kind of speaker emulator/load device which >can > >take the output of your guitar amp straight to the mixer. > >This means you won't hear anything until long after you've processed it. > >Getting really gear frenzied now, a simple A/B box after your guitar >signal > >where A goes to the 'silent' guitar amp and B goes to a 'heard' guitar >amp > >means you can build a loop, switch to B and play over whatevers coming >out > >of the mixer. > > > >I'm off now to get a life. > > > >hope this helps > >At > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ur eye [SMTP:ureye@hotmail.com] > >Sent: 19 October 1998 02:45 > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: VG-8 or 2112 > > > >Ok, this may seem like comparing oranges & apples but.... I'm trying to > >choose between these. Does anyone have any comments regarding just the > >parts you can compare? Like the basic guitar timbre processing of the > >VG-8(or the synthesis there of?) I would especially like to hear from > >you folks who loop with a VG-8. Stuff like how you configure your loop > >setup w/ the unit. As a blossiming Guitar player/looper, I am ready to > >move up from my lowly SE-50 to a "real" guitar processor. I use a GR-50 > >also and get into adding a little something special to that core analog > >sound from my STRAT. That core sound is what impressed me about the > >Digitech 2112. On the other hand I like synthesized sound too so here > >lies my problem. Are the various pickup config patches on the VG > >reasonably comparable to the 'ol analog ways? > >Thanks, -Dennis > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >