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In a message dated 1/8/99 1:15:32 AM, you wrote: <<I think that DT is right about looping not catching on yet. I almost have the feeling that people see it as a fad >> The main problem, as I see it, is the perception that "Loopers" (and Looping) are viewed a lot of times as "effects" as opposed to "instruments". The viewing/listening audience sees a guitar so they expect "guitar" playing, a lot of guitar player/loopers set up collages of sound then just wank the same stuff over top of it that they would if they weren't "Looping" (before any body goes balistic, think about it, then fess up - we've all done it at some point in the growth cycle). When "Looping" devices and signal processors start getting played as instruments instead of something to tack on to an already established "technique" then "Looping" might "catch on". But then again why does "Looping" have to "catch on". The listener should ideally only be taken in by the resulting music and not how it was produced. The musician should be utilizing the instruments needed to realize his vision. Limiting titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real detriments to growth. I think that "Looping" (as it pertains to the use of electronic looping devices) is in its infancy and will only become a stand alone art form when the devices themselves are approached by those not hampered by previous "instrumental experience" (or as done by the present masters, such as DT, RF etc., of the art that can transcend the history of their own sound generating device so that the "Looper" becomes *the* instrument.) - Paul