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Am I the only one out there who could care less if 'looping catches on'? As long as there is ,at least ,adequate technology in the field I'm happy. Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. What's the problem? You wan't to make a living off of it? Unless your sexier than the Back street boys, or can shake your ass better than Will Smith, or have better outfits than the Spice Girls, or can insult more people than Manson it's probably not going to happen. I have never expected to live off of the music I make..... First of all I make it for myself(or whoever im working with)and share it with friends or people who are GENUINLY interested in it. Second of all, when dealing with 'avant-garde' music , or whatever that means, one cannot expect 'the masses' , or whatever that means, to greet it with open arms, at least in the US. Also, what is all of this nonsense about wanting looping to considered a legitimate instrument. By who? Do all of you need society to tell you it's 'ok' to use that shinny box? And what is all of that other nonsense tying 'real instruments' to physical techniques? We only need to go through some physical medium(i.e. guitar player moving his fingers and hands about)because there is no better way. If it were possible(on probably will be in not too long)we won't even need an instrument, at least in the traditional sense of the word. It would all happen upstairs, if thats what one wants. I think all of you(I'm addressing the ones who sent the mail {I dont want to throw a blanket statement out there on all of you})are overly conserned with being accpeted by society, your peers, consumers, 'musicians'...etc..... We are all artists(in one medium or another, or multiple ones). Most of us deal with sound, again, whatever that means But it is art nonethe less I leave you all with a few quotes that I like "Art, if you want a definition of it, is criminal action. It conforms to no rules. Not even its own. Anyone who experiences a work of art is as guilty as the artist. It is not a question of sharing the guilt. Each one of us gets all of it." John Cage and "Art is you ability to percieve it." Rodrigo Kriist@Aol.com P.S...Dig the CD Gezoleen. P.P.S. Thanks for responding to the mail I sent you DT <~~~~SARCASM