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Being an avowed techno-primitive it always occurs to me that any "technique" or "procedure" that I utilize in my loop work would hardly be of interest to anyone else, let alone border on anything close to being "avante garde" or progressive in nature. However setting this disbelief aside momentarily...here goes: I normally run my clapped out Korg DW8000 synth and Roland TR-505 drum machine into an EH-16 second delay. After manipulating the EH until I've gotten a suitably twisted rhythmic loop from the Korg and Roland signals, I close the loop and run the signal into a Mackie 1202. The effects send is routed through an Alesis Microverb (pronounced HISSSS) then into a JamMan and then a Vortex to bring it all a sense of stereo. This signal is then returned to the Mackie via seperate channel inputs,as opposed to the effects send return. At this point I should say that I don't currently use MIDI for anything, not likely to start soon given my techno-phobe tendencies. At any rate with the EH providing the rhythm loop, I tap out as many loops into the JamMan as I feel appropriate, or can get to synch, before the EH starts to drift. With hopefully a few synchronous loops in the JamMan as a result of this goofy fun, I then layer various textures and tonalities on each of the loops to achieve a collection of varied but rhythmically congruent segments. Sometimes I keep the EH loop and slow it down or speed it up to add some percusive accents to the JamMan loops, or I do new tonal oriented loops on the EH and add them to the JamMan loops to taste. Often when I think I've reached a saturation point on the JamMan in relation to retaining the loop texture I was seeking, I'll stop. If that point has been passed (operator error) particularly in a rhythmic sense I'll add hand triggered drum machine accents to the loop to re-vitalize the aspect of tempo. After I'm happy with the collection of loops in the JamMan,I may use the EH to do another "non-rhythm" loop which I'll use as an un-synched harmonic source to compliment and contrast the JamMan loops. Then I generally solo against/along with these loops and capture the whole mess on my aged 77 dollar Marantz dubbing cassette deck, in real time, no undo button, no fix in the mix. Usually I'll do a couple of takes with varied intent before sending the respective loops into the ether. In that I started tape looping in the late 70's, this system affords a far greater amount of control than any earlier system(another story) while still maintaining a true element of chance (or "hazard" as Fripp would say), which is after all the real beauty (for me at least) in this "method". I've utilized this basic system as a player in a solo,duo,trio,... up to a quintet situation, with varying results. As an adjunct to this "blurb" I want to say that the issue of sharing one's loop techniques and methods with others is the same for all artists who work in a medium that isn't addressed (yet) in the scope of "instructional" videos,classes, or shameless huckstering by the supposed "elite" class of performers in any generation. There's every reason to protect one's artistic "secret procedure", if the result of sharing said same results is a lessened abilty to market one's wares as being unique or new(to an increasingly jaded public) particularly if that marketing is the artist's sole source of monetary support. In that I doubt if I've made 1000 dollars total as a result of my 20 years of loop oriented musical pursuits I have no qualm sharing these "cutting edge" techniques with any and all, but then again my wife and I supported ourselves and our 2 children on about 16,000 dollars last year. I mention this only to further illustrate that the true difference between many artists (and certainly many of the players on the LD list) is the relative ratio of time and money available to those artists to pursue their art. On a related note....when the hot water heater in my basement broke this morning, the resulting leak did not damage any of my equipment, for which I am eternally grateful. Still avoiding being the subject of the "loop of the week" Bryan Helm P.S. If this endless tirade bored you to tears... compose a loop about it...I sure will.