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Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue
96
Today's Topics:
Re: EchoPlex [ Chuck Zwicky
<chuck.zwicky@wavefron ]
Re: Akai MPC 2000 [ Cummings <r_t_cummings@csi.com> ]
RE: Are computers "real life?" [ Tim Nelson <tcn62@ici.net> ]
Re: Bad memory warning [ Crossedout@aol.com ]
Loops & such... [ Stevaum@aol.com ]
RE: EchoPlex [ "Mike McGary"
<mcgary@metronet.com> ]
loop subtraction [ "Mike McGary"
<mcgary@metronet.com> ]
video loop effecting audio loop affe [ Stevaum@aol.com ]
RE: Akai MPC 2000 [ "Jonathan El-Bizri"
<jonathan@full- ]
Re: loop subtraction [ "Dennis W. Leas"
<dennis@mdbs.com> ]
Re: Bad memory warning [ murkie
<murkie@panther.middlebury.e ]
Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 [ "BOB HENRY" <BOBH@knme1.unm.edu>
]
Video Looping [ "BOB HENRY" <BOBH@knme1.unm.edu>
]
Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES [ Gareth Whittock
<whiteoak@dial.pipe ]
questions [ ENAT21213@aol.com ]
RE: loop subtraction [ "Mike McGary"
<mcgary@metronet.com> ]
Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92 [ Kim Flint <kflint@atitech.com> ]
Re: loop subtraction [ Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net> ]
Re: loop subtraction [ landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) ]
jamman in stereo? [ ENAT21213@aol.com ]
Re: Great music from Crevice [ Edward_Chang@amsinc.com ]
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:37 -0600
From: Chuck Zwicky <chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: EchoPlex
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The EDP does forward or reverse only.
At 12:37 AM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do
>backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a
>fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the
>hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to
>get
>one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the
>memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward
>& forward/backward).
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Lorren Stafford
>Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound
>http://www.winternet.com/~r4c
>
>"We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning
>of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about
>to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously
>fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..."
>
>
>
...........................................................................
But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on
computers.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:11:09 +0100
From: Cummings <r_t_cummings@csi.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000
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Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a
real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling
drum machine. But a good one.
I've prepare multi-tracked sequences ahead of time and play live to
these or process them. There is a tap tempo button which I understand
can also be accessed by footswitch (see Simon's post earlier on this
thread). I've also used the mpc2k in live contexts with other musicians
sorta like a dj - matching tempos etc. This takes a little practice but
it work quite well.
I was often frustrated looping live percussion via microphones into the
Jamman - either the loop would feedback or I would get too much stage
sound in the loop. I suppose these "mistakes" can be interesting things,
too - maybe I'll be able to integrate that later.
-the man cable-
Jonathan El-Bizri schrieb:
>
> Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have
> adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap
> tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement
> looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I
>got a
> good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real
>time
> would be very exciting.
>
> bIz
>
> >
> > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important
> > part of my
> > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is
> > really steady
> > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more
> > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this
> > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks
> > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday -
> > look at all my
> > machines mom!
> >
> > -the man cable-
> >
> > > MARK FRANO schrieb:
> > >
> > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely
> > hifi machines
> > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more
> > designed for
> > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of
> > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it
> > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping
> > beats or other
> > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument
> > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting
> > candidate.
> > > Hi Fi Bugs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:20:27 -0800
From: Tim Nelson <tcn62@ici.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?"
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Sure, "real artists with heart use anything, they need, to paint the
world", but I don't see it as out of place for those "real artists" to
share tips and tricks with each other, especially when it can save one (or
many) of the "real artists" the time, money and frustration that goes with
committing themselves to the purchase of a system which may not be suited
to their particular needs.
One of the biggest advantages of a list like this one is that it's a forum
where we can help each other out. This thread started with a legitimate
question and has (mostly) consisted of useful, well-intentioned posts from
people who were trying to benefit the looping community by sharing their
experiences with the gear and approaches they use to "paint the world."
Sometimes this takes the form of a pro-con discussion. If you see this as
ignorant, or if you construe list members' equipment/technique-related
posts as a "shit fit", well sorry. But do we need a "really cool comment"
saying "duh" when informing us ignoramuses what "real artists" should
do/say/think? C'mon, this is nothing to have a flame war over!
Tim
>At 11:23 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>>Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?"
>>
>>
>>just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has
>>a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this
>>question........................computers vs. rack
>>loopers???????duh.......................................................real
>>artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the
>>world.......................................................................
>>..ps..our
>>brains are computers
>>vim@innertemple studios
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:37:46 EST
From: Crossedout@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Bad memory warning
Message-ID: <4d1dbd59.36e675aa@aol.com>
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In a message dated 3/10/99 2:10:16 AM Central Standard Time,
kflint@annihilist.com writes:
<< To help people out, could some of you who have bought memory
successfully
in recent months suggest quality vendors? >>
There is a national chain called Computer Renaissance that sells new and
used
computers and components, and I have picked up memory for my computer and
memory for my sampler, all at very good prices, and have had no problems
with
either.
I was also warned while buying that the Asian recession has put a lot of
smaller chip makers out of business, so the price of RAM may start creeping
back up as the companies that are still afloat realize it's a smaller
playing
field with less competition. So you might want to grab some (good) chips
sooner rather than later.
- Crossedout@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:13 EST
From: Stevaum@aol.com
To: tcn62@ici.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Loops & such...
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Hi Tim,
Thanx for yr inquiry regarding video looping (Loopers-Delight-d Digest
Volume
99 : Issue 91). Before I joined the Loopers Delight web group, I consulted
with Kim & Chris about the appropriateness of discussing video in a
predominantly audio environment. For me, the word "loop" immediately
conjures
visions of looping video systems!!! Looping is looping whatever the
medium!
I am very spontaneous and have employed a large variety of concepts and
techniques working with video and audio looping systems. I have not done
any
video looping pieces since 1983 because I no longer have access to any
reel-
to-reel video equipment. Being that I thoroughly explored the medium back
when
it was current technology, I've been happy to move along and continue to
create with whatever is the latest technology has to offer! I have
continued
to explore video feedback, but have not explored any digital means for
video
looping.
I have used all types of video, including looping pieces, during live
performances. Often I use prerecorded video during live music performances,
but have done many live video/audio looping performances & installations.
The video loops, on occasion, have used prerecorded (& found footage)
tapes,
but are usually done with live cameras. The source of change comes from
video
feedback, when the camera is zoomed within the frame of the video monitor
screen; and from performance, when the camera is zoomed beyond the frame of
the video monitor screen. (refer to my Loopers Delight Profile for an
explanation of the basic video system I used)
There is always overlap between siys & pupaum (siys=visual/pupaum=audio),
because much of my art is multimedia.
Glad to hear u enjoyed the art on my website!
Stevo
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:28 -0600
From: "Mike McGary" <mcgary@metronet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: EchoPlex
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> What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the
> memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward,
>backward
> & forward/backward).
The Echoplex has a function that can cause the current loop to
reverse. This function can be mapped to the 'insert' button
on the footpedal if you are someone who uses it alot.
I keep mine mapped to the insert button. With multiple loops
activated, you can lay down a 'base' pattern, jump to the next
loop (copying that pattern as you move), reverse it, overdub a
pattern on top.....jump to the next pattern (w/ copy), reverse it...
the 'base' pattern is now back with the second pattern reversed.
You can reverse the entire loop at any time...as many times as
you like. But you cannot have it move forward through the loop and
then backward through it, ad infinitem.
Fun stuff....
-Mike McGary
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:23 -0600
From: "Mike McGary" <mcgary@metronet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: loop subtraction
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Just a thought....
Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a
graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge
has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the
hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you
had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could
put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the
resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound
(kind of a follow-me EQ...)
Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed
this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it
and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern
by playing it again.
(excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody
already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it)
-Mike McGary
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:55:04 EST
From: Stevaum@aol.com
To: dmgraph@pulsewidth.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: video loop effecting audio loop affecting video loop affecting
audio loop...
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Regarding David Myers' inquiry about "realtime video output from audio
sources" (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91/Subject: Re: Any
Video
Loopers?), I thought you might be interested to hear about a couple of
vintage
projects I did in the early 80's.
In early '81, I was living in Norman, Oklahoma collaborating with an ever
changing & expanding group of artists/musicians. We would change our name &
members for every improvisational music project we created. In late March I
was awarded a full scholarship to get a Masters degree at The Art
Institute of
Chicago, & in April we began a month long marathon of projects before I
moved.
One of these projects was "Monitor Control/Control Monitor". It consisted
of
three musicians spontaneously performing while I video taped the
performance.
I had developed this technique of spontaneously zooming & panning a video
camera based on what was happening musically. The musicians would be
conducted
by the movement of the video camera displayed on a monitor before them, & I
would be influenced how to shoot the video based on the music performance.
The
audio was recorded using a tape loop system. The end results were both
interesting & rewarding! We successfully created a
"performance/documentation
loop"!!!
Another project, done with two other artists at the Art Institute of
Chicago
in 1982, was "Night Emerges Day" (it was thusly titled, as we had spent all
night setting up the equipment, & finally were recording the piece as the
sun
was rising!). A real-time video art piece consisting of an audio & video
loop,
using a custom modular EMU synthesizer & the Sandin Image Processor (IP),
mixed with Zgrass computer animation (Zgrass was the first computer
hardware &
software designed specifically for art & animation). The EMU was sending
control voltage to the IP, affecting the oscillation of image & color,
while
the IP was sending control voltage to the EMU, affecting the frequency of
pitch & filter. Again, the results were extremely interesting & rewarding!
We
had successfully created a "live interactive technology loop"!!!
For me, "looping" exists in many forms!
Stevo Wolfson
sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO
Pupaum
http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html
stevaum@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:09:43 -0800
From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jonathan@full-moon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000
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Too bad :< I was hoping it would have one of those 'realtime sample'
functions that djs use.
bIz
>
> Sorry if I was misleading there - no the mpc2k is not much of a
> real-time machine. It's not a looper, but rather a glorified sampling
> drum machine. But a good one.
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:03:52 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Leas" <dennis@mdbs.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: loop subtraction
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Mike McGary wrote:
>
> Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed
> this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it
> and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern
> by playing it again.
Interesting idea. This is why I have two EDPs. I use the midiclock to
synchronize them. I lay down the "base pattern" in one and the "frills"
in the other. Then I mute/stop/turn-down the "master" EDP.
To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I
know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to
"subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be
interesting of themselves.
- Dennis Leas
--
dennis@mdbs.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:43:06 -0500
From: murkie <murkie@panther.middlebury.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Bad memory warning
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990310124306.007ab9e0@panther.middlebury.edu>
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At 11:33 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>So be warned - there is a remarkable amount of bad memory out on the
>market
>right now.
um, i was going to mention this but i kept...
what was i talking about?
m
=====================================================================
= =
= M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n =
= Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing =
= internet: murkie@middlebury.edu =
= http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html =
= =
=====================================================================
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:59:23 GMT+7
From: "BOB HENRY" <BOBH@knme1.unm.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92
Message-ID: <29882276ECE@knme1.unm.edu>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:42:11 -0600
From: "Michael S. Yoder" <myoder@tamiu.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Are computers "real life?"
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990308144211.008303d0@tamiu.edu>
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On Sunday March 7, Javier Miranda V. wrote the following in response to a
message by Bob H.:
>I highly object to your judgement about computers not being part of real
>life. Just because they didn't exist when you were a kid doesn't make
>them
>less real. When your great-grandfather was a kid there were no cars!
>That
>doesn't mean that they are not as real to you as the horse-and-buggy.
> Don't inflict on others the concept that "life" is only what "you"
>think it
>is, dude.
(Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.)
Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and
"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed
anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that
you had to take offense at a statement that I made. I wasn't even
talking to you, anyway! Get up out'cha chair and away from your
friggen puter and just take it like a man...quit cher whinin and
bellly-achin!
Now- I'm not that old, punk! As you can see, I use a computer everyday, so
I have PLENTY of room to speak about the subject. Not only that, but,
Dude,
you know absolutely NOTHING about me. So don't go making accusations that
I'm
some kind of "old Fart" (or whatever). Fact is, that computers WERE
around when I was young...they still are! So- just what do YOU know
about computers anyway, exept what resides in front of you with a
mouse and keyboard and all the latest software upgrades that the
techno-computer media throws at'cha from dat to day? You tell me in
detail about how computers got where they are today...I'm sure you
don't know!
Myself- I just don't look at computer technology as some relegious shrine-
that to disagree with it is somehow "sacreligious". Lately, I've had way
too
much digital crap crammed down my throat and I sure as hell don't
need some computer techno-dweeb punk like Javier Miranda try'n ta put me
down!
Javier, next time ya have a gripe, ya better state in a more dignified
way...know
what the HELL your talk'n about B4 you state your opinion!
For those of you who have read this, please understand- I don't have
a problem with computer technology...it's the attitude towards it, as
you have just seen with Javier Miranda.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:54 GMT+7
From: "BOB HENRY" <BOBH@knme1.unm.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Video Looping
Message-ID: <298D5225B4E@knme1.unm.edu>
Hi Steve-
R U interested in video looping with tape or computer-based? Video
tape delays had been utilized some years ago by using 2 open reel
machines and cross-taping from the record machine to the other. I
understand that this was rather avengard or rarely used, since it was
so involved.
To make an actual tape loop, would be quite impratical, since the splice
would have to be flawless so as not to cause a video glitch in the
picture. A control track would have to be recorded first, then
possibly, the video could just be recorded in an "insert" mode
fashion. This method might just work, though it's not been tried, as
far as I know.
Anyway, wish you all the best with your experiment.
Cheers,
Bob H.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:11:48 +0000
From: Gareth Whittock <whiteoak@dial.pipex.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: LOADS OF DELAY LINES
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> What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8
>ins
> and outs?
You can use several cards to produce more than plain stereo ins and outs
or one of the many multiple cards on the market.
The delay lines, loopers, filters are just free VST plugins that you get
off the net.
The thing that hangs it all together is Audiomulch software - the new
version of which, (.8b1) allows me to bring delays in and out control
filters. mixing etc etc from my midi pedals and switches. For instance I
had 4 stereo loopers operated from midi switches with the speed
controlled by a midi pedal and direction from another pedal. It was
absolute bedlam of course but plenty of loopers seem to thrive on chaos.
Audiomulch is still at its beta stage but imo it's a phenomenal piece of
software. I can't put it down. It's this particular loopers delight :)
Gareth
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:59:13 EST
From: ENAT21213@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: questions
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question 1.......one more time...........anyone out there have alto music's
phone # handy? Seriously thinking about purchasing an echoplex.
question 2.......the $560.00 price tag if of course that's what alto is
still
selling them for.......does that include the footpedal?
question 3.......if the footpedal is not included how much is alto selling
them for?
take care everyone,
brian
electric bird noise
sound samples etc. at:
http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:25:23 -0600
From: "Mike McGary" <mcgary@metronet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: loop subtraction
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> To me, what you're describing is a sort of "multi-track" looper. I
> know, for example, I could never duplicate a part accurately enough to
> "subtract" it out. Of course, any artifacts from the process might be
> interesting of themselves.
Actually, the artifacts are the key to the process. It's not a
'pure' subraction (not removing the exact sounds that were
part of the base) but a different way of building new layers.
For instance...you might play a gritty major chord into a loop....
By playing the major third in 'subtraction' mode the third is slowly
backed out of the mix (roughly)...and then playing
a minor third...the loop just changed feel. This could be a slow
organic process...not like switching tracks on and off.
-Mike McGary
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:51:11 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@atitech.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "BOB HENRY" <BOBH@knme1.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #92
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At 10:59 AM 3/10/99 GMT+7, BOB HENRY wrote:
>(Bob H. reply to Javier Miranda V.)
>
>Are you some kind of IDEOT or what??? You go right ahead and
>"Highly Object" to what I said. Fact is, that little tight-holed
>anus-sphincker boys such as yourself have such a little mind, that
>you had to take offense at a statement that I made.
please calm down. we don't act this way here. That's what usenet is for.
:-)
It's a very easy thing to hold rational, intelligent debates without making
needless personal attacks. Please keep that in mind when posting here.
kim
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Kim Flint, MTS kflint@atitech.com
ATI Research 408-752-9284
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:07 -0800
From: Chris Chovit <cho@newdream.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: loop subtraction
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Interesting....It seems like you would have to do a FFT to do this, which
would probably best be done in the digital domain, and require some serious
processing power to perform it in real time...
Perhaps there would be a way to just make the "subtrating signal" out of
phase with the main signal, and this might create a similar effect, as the
signals would cancel each other. I can imagine the usefulness of
this....loops can get pretty busy, and you could "thin it out" using this
method.
Maybe it could be done within an echoplex: have an insert mode =
"subtract", in addition to the reverse and other insert modes. Kim, any
new versions of the software in the planning stages?
- Chris
>Just a thought....
>
>Long ago I worked with an FFT that would show you a
>graphical depiction of the current sound source (SoundForge
>has this in their 4.5 version). One of the features of the
>hardware FFT was the ability to 'subtract' sounds. If you
>had a sound that had an overpowering 600hz section, you could
>put it in subtract mode...play a 600hz sound....and the
>resulting sound was the original minus the 600hz sound
>(kind of a follow-me EQ...)
>
>Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed
>this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it
>and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern
>by playing it again.
>
>(excuse my ignorance if there is already a device like this and everybody
>already knows about it....slap me if my echoplex already does it)
>
> -Mike McGary
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Chris Chovit
cho@newdream.net
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:42:06 -0800
From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: loop subtraction
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>Mike McGary wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't it be slick to have a looping device that allowed
>> this? You start a base pattern....play some parts on top of it
>> and build it's thickness....and then 'subtract' out the base pattern
>> by playing it again.
>
If you had an exact duplicate of your original base pattern, inverted it's
amplitude, and mixed it at 50% with the loop, while playing it back
precisely in time/phase with the base pattern, that would do the trick.
Kinda hard to do though=8A
This brings up the interesting question of how to "bring the loop back
down", it's easy to quickly build a formidable wall of sound, but much
harder to elegantly thin it out=8A
DSP filters and processes in the feedback loop would do this, as well as
multi-track loopers. Any other suggestions for ways to do this?
Mark
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:11:53 EST
From: ENAT21213@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: jamman in stereo?
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any one tried to sync up two jammen?
will they sync up?
will the slave unit respond to the master unit's commands
(tap,layer,mute,etc.,etc)?
take care,
brian
electric bird noise
sound samples etc. at:
http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:36:46 -0500
From: Edward_Chang@amsinc.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Great music from Crevice
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Hey Rob
Got the CD you sent - Great package! Thanks alot. Been too busy on other
things to do much recording in a awhile, so it was interesting to hear our
versions, a real blast from the past. Good luck and keep in touch,
hopefully we can work together again one day...
Ed Chang
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