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Received: from chaos.wg.com by smtp.wg.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 BETA) ; Wed, 10 Mar 99 02:43:53 -0500 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com> Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by chaos.wg.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA01401 for <schiller@wg.com>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:11:34 -0500 (EST) From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Received: (from root@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA27655; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:22:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:22:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199903100822.DAA27655@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #93 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com> archive/volume99/93 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: RE: Any Video Loopers? [ Anthony Mullen <anthony.mullen@KSCL ] RE: Devices vs. Computer for live lo [ "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earth ] RE: new Grendel song on the web: "Ta [ "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earth ] RE: video from audio [ "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earth ] sound-to-video generators [ Morgan Lang <mhl21@columbia.edu> ] Cthugha program [ "Peter Spoecker" <spoecker@didgerid ] Re: sound-to-video generators [ Stuart Fox <foxes@jps.net> ] Re: Are computers "real life?" [ vimana@webtv.net (vimana) ] Korg Kaoss [ "Dan Bartell" <speck45@hotmail.com> ] RE: Akai MPC 2000 [ "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexcha ] is anyone here? [ Nemoguitt@aol.com ] Re: thingies vs computers [ "Bob Campbell" <astropulse@hotmail. ] "No User Control" rules! [ David Myers <dmgraph@pulsewidth.com ] Re: EVENTIDE? [ adam davidovics <absolute@mail.data ] John Cage [ "MARK FRANO" <mfrano@plainfield.byp ] RE: thingies vs computers [ "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jonathan@full- ] Re: Are computers "real life?" & shi [ "Matthew P. Davignon" <mdavig@sfsu. ] RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? [ Jeff Shorthouse <jshorthouse@loyalt ] Re: Lovetone is not gone .... [ spat@visi.com ] Re: Akai MPC 2000 [ Cummings <r_t_cummings@csi.com> ] EchoPlex [ "L. Stafford" <r4c@winternet.com> ] RE: Are computers "real life?" [ "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earth ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:34:20 -0000 From: Anthony Mullen <anthony.mullen@KSCL.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Any Video Loopers? Message-ID: <B1CB12627F4DD2119A6F0001FA7E1EB4ADC4D9@POSTCARD.kscl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Coldcut developed some video looping tools. Their single Hexstatic was a CD-rom and contained a lot of videos allegedly made using live video looping. In fact from the sleeve notes it seems that they took this out on tour with them and it proved successful. There's a film called 'Heavy Rotation' which uses music (Tortoise/Coldcut/Autechre) and digital imagery to create - oh I dunno - vibes (they call it a interplay between sound and vision). Dunno if this is looping strictly but the flavour is at least there. Check some Coldcut sites because I'm sure they were looking to license the technology... Seems like the artists are making the best tools these days..... Let me know how you get on if you find anything - a digest summary of image looping would be good;) btw - I'm Anthony - hello all - and hi Kim from the dnb mailing list. ---------- From: Stevaum@aol.com[SMTP:Stevaum@aol.com] Sent: 08 March 1999 08:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any Video Loopers? I introduced myself a few weeks ago as a new member to Loopers Delight, and inquired if anyone had done any looping with reel-to-reel video. I received no replies, so I thought I would ask once more! ANYONE WORKED WITH VIDEO LOOPS? I have done extensive work in both video and audio using various looping techniques, and welcome all inquiries and exchanges of experiences. Thanx, sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO - visual arts, including video looping & feedback Pupaum - audio art and music, including analog & digital looping You may view my computer art at: <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html">sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO</A> http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:03 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earthling.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping Message-ID: <000d01be6a13$0b3b2160$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like your observation about people's habits in purchasing hardware. Indeed, I'd like to have something added to my computer rather than adding another separate piece of hardware. On the other hand, as Kim has reminded us in the past, a separate piece of hardware like the EDP does function more reliably and speedily than a plug in on my computer. My point again, if I may, is that eventually we'll have supercomputers (comparing to our Pentia) which will behave 10 times faster than any separate piece of hardware, and we won't be talking about separate hardware as opposed to software or hardware installed in our computers. Further, I can see that, as we continue to see more and better outboard protocols and systems, such as USB, and the upcoming Ethernet-like MIDI, that we will begin thinking of the "computer" as the collection of separate devices of which we make use. Indeed, someone on the list a few days ago was drooling while talking about having a future EDP rapidly dumping to HDD a loop, even pulling from and saving to disk several loops <italics>during</italics> a performance! Makes me drool too... For example, I don't consider my "computer" to be just the box with the motherboard and the CPU, etc. -- it includes my monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, CDWriter, scanner, printer and, through MIDI, I think it now includes my synthesisers and MIDI sound-processing gear; this whole collection is my "computer." As computers continue to include outboard equipment, the line between "dedicated hardware" and "computers" becomes ever blurrier. But as you dramatically point out, as it is right now, people do have to make a choice about which way to go, either stompboxes-like devices, or computer "plug-in's." I happen to agree with Kim that, for looping, and as computer hardware stands today, a separate, dedicated looping device such as the EDP is best. -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 2:08 PM To: 'Javier Miranda V.'; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Devices vs. Computer for live looping My hypothesis on the Devices vs. Computer's for Looping -- it mostly depends on where you start evolving to looping from and incrementally adding looping capabilities to your set-up. 1) Device Approach <snip> 2) Computer Approach <snip> I feel I'm dramatically stating the obvious. dk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:15 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earthling.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Message-ID: <000f01be6a13$12453180$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You gotta get the "hang" of Acid, man. It's tricky in the beginning, but it is really versatile, I think. -----Original Message----- From: earthblind, starbound [mailto:leper@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new Grendel song on the web: "Taps for a Dead Channel" Looping done with Acid and Fruity Loops (and more and more I realize how insanely limited and annoying Acid is, but so far there's no competing program that does the same thing). -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:11 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earthling.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: video from audio Message-ID: <000e01be6a13$0f968c40$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gareth, What is your soundcard with "loads of separate stereo delay lines" and 8 ins and outs? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock [mailto:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Monday 08 March 1999 3:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: video from audio Hi Dave, check out cthuga, (sorry I dont have the url, use a search) It's billed as an oscilloscope on acid - trippy patterns alright! I think it runs on macs as well as PC's > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which >creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? David Myers Incidentally I use a computer live. I consider its flexibility worth the hassle of carting it around. It has a real time MIDI, (assignable) interface, 8 ins and outs, loads of separate stereo delay llines and you can use VST plugins too. Of course it crashes now and then but when it does it carries on processing so the music doesn't stop, you simply have to draw to a close. This hasn't happened live though - yet !) GARETH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:25:39 -0500 From: Morgan Lang <mhl21@columbia.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sound-to-video generators Message-ID: <36E5133D.9EE4D792@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The best sound-to-video program I've seen also happens to be freeware. It is called Cthugha, is for both Macs and PCs, and can be downloaded from http://www.afn.org/~cthugha Very interesting if you've ever wanted to know what your music "looks" like. A good location for all sorts of freeware sound/video progs is http://www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/ So far I have been disappointed by the Mandlebrot set/sound progs out there. Worth a try, though. Best, MHL. > > That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which >creates > nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, > especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to > perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make >for > an enthralling show.... > > David Myers I seem to remember a shareware screen saver for the mac that had some nifty sound-to-vision parameters (although via mac's built in mike only i think) sorry, cant remember the name of the thing... try shareware.com under mac screen saver.. the reason i don't have it anymore was an extremely viscious "send in your shareware fee" message every 3 seconds or so (well i would if i could actually see what was going on...) brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:08:18 -0800 From: "Peter Spoecker" <spoecker@didgeridoings.com> To: "looper list" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: Cthugha program Message-ID: <000101be6a4f$7131c3c0$3622a2d1@i658574> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After seeing the post about the Cthugha program I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to work. It showed a succession of still images that you could sequence by hitting any key, but no response to sound from the CD ROM drive or an external source. I'm using the sound in and out on my Miro video card and maybe the program doesn't recognize that. Anybody know how I might be able to get Cthugha to work with a Miro video card instead of a Soundblaster card? Another issue I've often wondered about is if there's any program that can modify video being played from an external input into a video card? Particularly cool would be sound activated color cycling. I've done this using an Amiga video toaster system in a rather complex configuration. Anybody know if there's a program around that lets you use sound as a modulation source for color cycling or otherwise modulating a video signal being displayed with a video card in a PC? Peter Spoecker peter@didgeridoings.com check out www.didgeridoings.com for didgeridoo music, tutorial CD, free circular breathing primer, computer animation, fractals and much more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:14:49 -0800 From: Stuart Fox <foxes@jps.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sound-to-video generators Message-Id: <v03102802b30b0e57bf8d@[209.239.217.71]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:19 AM -0800 3/8/99, David Myers wrote: >That said, I'm sure there must be computer software nowadays which creates >nifty realtime video output from audio sources. Anyone know of any, >especially Mac freeware or shareware? One of these days I'd like to >perform again, and twisting knobs (or moving a mouse) sure doesn't make >for >an enthralling show.... > >David Myers Check out the freeware Bomb. The freerunning version responds to audio input in a very primitive way, but it is visually very interesting. You can program much more complicated responses to MIDI in the MAX version. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot/bomb.html A much more complicated program similar to MAX but for video is IMAGINE. http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/imagine.html Also you might stay intouch with the progress of UISoftware's MIDIKaleido. It is under development and no one knows much about it, but they are the people who developed MetaSynth and Bryce. http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES_FLASH/uimain.html Stuart Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:33:56 -0600 (CST) From: vimana@webtv.net (vimana) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" Message-ID: <23105-36E56994-599@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world.........................................................................ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:04:32 PST From: "Dan Bartell" <speck45@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg Kaoss Message-ID: <19990309210433.1339.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Oh no.........another possible looping tool to lust after and fondle over in our minds. Check it out off Harmony-Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/MusikMesse99/Korg/Kaoss-Pad.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:33:31 -0800 From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexchange.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <000201be6a74$7ae63390$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please tell me more! Can you sample and loop back live? Does it have adequate midi implementation (could I use a midi pedal to sample/tap tempo/etc, like a super fat echoplex?) I still haven't got my replacement looping device after selling my Jam-man (something I regret, though I got a good price for it) and a sampler that can sample and playback in real time would be very exciting. bIz > > The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important > part of my > live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is > really steady > time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more > effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this > really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks > on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - > look at all my > machines mom! > > -the man cable- > > > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely > hifi machines > > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more > designed for > > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping > beats or other > > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting > candidate. > > Hi Fi Bugs. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:21:28 EST From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: is anyone here? Message-ID: <725ffe95.36e40718@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit granted, pittsburgh is not the hot-bed of looping activities, but for my second annual bedroom looping fest i was hoping that there might be some kindred spirits in the local area.....seriously, though, does anyone live in pittsburgh that would like to get together, i need some external input, i promise to behave.......michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:49:52 PST From: "Bob Campbell" <astropulse@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: thingies vs computers Message-ID: <19990305154953.21721.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain >Computers are not convenient to gig with, yet That's the biggie... Its interesting to remember that our (digital) looping devices *are* computers, with specialized display and input devices. I use Cool Edit a lot, but not for performance, Jam Man wins big time. But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? Maybe some do... do they? I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that seems like it shouldn't 'count'. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:19:49 -0500 From: David Myers <dmgraph@pulsewidth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "No User Control" rules! Message-Id: <l03110701b309cb28d152@[38.26.14.69]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, a bit off topic. But sure to interest a lot of folks here. Listmember and pal Mark Landman pointed me to a great freeware Mac program called thOnk which outputs nifty granular synthesis soundscapes and/or naughty bits when you feed its gaping yaw with AIFF's. Choose from about eight "scores" which produce different results, and thOnk it. Go for lunch and come back to find ambient coolness on your hard drive: http://www.audioease.com And one I found myself which also mangles to the nines in different ways, though the interface is a real head-scratcher. It's called Arge=EFphontes Lyre, at: ftp://shoko.calarts.edu/pub/akira/al.sit.hqx Also free! And with SoundMaker at $30, I'm beginning to think maybe computers aren't such a bad way to go, after all.... David Myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:55:33 +0100 (MET) From: adam davidovics <absolute@mail.datanet.hu> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EVENTIDE? Message-Id: <199903092155.WAA00384@mail.euroweb.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 PM 3/8/99 +0200, you wrote: >On 3/8/99 Adam D. wrote..... >> >>i have a lot more cheap fx too anyway, but i look for something >xpensive. >>i can spend about $5000 for a new fx. >> >> >>a/d > >Come on over to my house......just kidding. I picked up an Eventide H330 >D/SE last year and love it. These boxes are very very deep. I just wish I >had more time to dig into it. I also have a G-force, but I turn to my >Eventide much more often. it's ok, but WHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ? :) besides i've heard complainings that Eventide colors the tone a lot. it's not the issue that makes decision for me, but im interested in. please be a little more specifical! a/d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:52:23 -0500 From: "MARK FRANO" <mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: John Cage Message-ID: <01be6a87$e0713f80$d57cf2d0@chester> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was speaking to a friend recently about Cage and was reminded of one = of his more interesting comments. When asked how he got into music in = the first place he replied- "because it was next to mushroom in the = dictionary" Hi Fi Bugs ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.2016.0"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I was speaking to a friend recently = about Cage=20 and was reminded of one of his more interesting comments. When = asked how=20 he got into music in the first place he replied- "because it was = next to=20 mushroom in the dictionary" Hi Fi = Bugs</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6A5D.F79B3780-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:40:09 -0800 From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jonathan@full-moon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: thingies vs computers Message-ID: <001601be6a8e$8e919b40$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But wouldn't it be great if a program supported MIDI foot pedals? > Maybe some do... do they? > You can do >a lot< with midi inputs and Logic Audio. Perhaps too much :> (I spend too much time creating 'environments' (setups to perform midi manipulations and control specific synth/gear midi parameters.) Come to think of it, you could even loop record and manipulate audio with it, if you are that way inclined, in realtime, from any midi source. Some thing I must look into... I am not sure about control of fx and levels, but I am sure that it is possible - I just don't know how to automate audio controllers yet. rec/stop/loop 1/etc should be no problem at all. Damn! There goes another weekend. bIz > I have found I much prefer a bunch of dedicated applicances over > one general purpose device that needs to be re-configured for > every application. But sometimes the lower cost of a single general > purpose gizmo can be notable. A lot of the cost of building hardware > is the buttons, displays, power supplies, blah blah. Stuff that > seems like it shouldn't 'count'. > > Bob > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:00:54 -0800 From: "Matthew P. Davignon" <mdavig@sfsu.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" & shit fits Message-ID: <36E5C446.A5BE9BE1@sfsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, not "everybody" had a shit fit. A couple of people got kind of mean but that's about it. Basically, lots of people feel passionately about what they use. What we use to make music is an important part of our musical identities. The folks who still use tape loops are proud of it and rightfully so. Tape loops are hard to use compared to other systems, and when someone can use their creativity to make great new music with them, that's something to bark about. On the other hand, modern computers allow their users to do pretty much anything with their sounds, so in a different way, the result is up to the imagination. Personally, right now I'm really proud with what I can do with 2 four second squashboxes and a 4-track. When I get around to using a computer, I'm going to have to approach things in a different way. I'm going to need to be less spontaneous and more exacting. Oh well, let's stop attacking each other over what we use. It's important that both sides continue to do their thing. matt vimana wrote: > just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has > a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this > question........................computers vs. rack > >loopers???????duh.......................................................real > artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the > >world.........................................................................ps..our > brains are computers > vim@innertemple studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:50:53 -0500 From: Jeff Shorthouse <jshorthouse@loyalty.com> To: "'Loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Message-ID: <D088E30F8154D211B1AB00A0C9D5E22C69742F@exchtor1.loyalty.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep- just head on over to http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/ and you'll find several there. If you also happen to read any of the UK electronic music gear mags (Future Music/The Mix/Sound on Sound) the have a monthly music on the web column and the often list sites with free downloads. Jeff Shorthouse Alien Radio Station Toronto, Canada alienradio@hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Han [mailto:stevehan@transworld-lax.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:22 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: Plug-Ins for Cubase VST? Hello my fellow scientific musicians, Does anyone know of any Free Plug-Ins download sites for the Steinberg Cubase VST (or the like...)? Thanks in advance. Steve (Curbie) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:29:13 -0600 From: spat@visi.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lovetone is not gone .... Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990306212913.006a9210@mail.visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lovetone is still in business! > >The fallacy that they went under was started by a few misinformed Internet >posts! They said they may start phasing out the pedals to concentrate on rack units. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:12:33 +0100 From: Cummings <r_t_cummings@csi.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 Message-ID: <36E55681.9EDAFFC4@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mpc2k has now supplanted the Jamman as the most important part of my live setup. The mpc2k is more or less well-designed and is really steady time-wise. As a drummer/percussionist I find that I'm getting more effective results with the mpc2k than with the old Jamman. It has this really great feature which allows you to mute up to 64 (!) tracks on/off. Maybe I'll get around to combining them someday - look at all my machines mom! -the man cable- > MARK FRANO schrieb: > > Loopdy loops, One of the more interesting and extremely hifi machines > available for looping is the Akai mpc2000. Certainly more designed for > dj's, it is not as conducive to ambient looping but with 32 megs of > RAM she's long on memory and is designed to loop samples. I think it > would be an excellent studio tool weather your looping beats or other > noise. Alas, no footswitch makes it difficult to wield an intrument > and interface easily with the MPC2000.Still an interesting candidate. > Hi Fi Bugs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:37:37 -0600 From: "L. Stafford" <r4c@winternet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EchoPlex Message-Id: <4.1.19990310003512.00970ef0@mail.winternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe some of you EDP'ers can answer this for me: Can the echoplex do backward/forwards looping, or is it forward only? That would seem to be a fairly trivial thing to implement (at least in software, don't know if the hardware would support it.) and I would probably sell my first child to get one if it did. ;) What I am looking for specifically, is something w/ the memory/power of an EDP that does bi-directional looping (forward, backward & forward/backward). Thanks, Lorren Stafford Richard For Cerebellum/A Most Happy Sound http://www.winternet.com/~r4c "We ask ourselves whether truly this is the beginning of a new world or whether perhaps the world...is about to perish. There are people who earnestly and seriously fear this, where music becomes the slave of the machine..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:23:00 -0800 From: "Javier Miranda V." <gnominus@earthling.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: RE: Are computers "real life?" Message-ID: <002a01be6ac6$d4063cc0$21ceefd1@electra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really cool comment. Vimana, you're totally right. -----Original Message----- From: vimana [mailto:vimana@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday 09 March 1999 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Are computers "real life?" just cuz 1 person asked "why" people use dedicated loopers everybody has a shit fit,big hairy deal. how ignorant is this question........................computers vs. rack loopers???????duh.......................................................real artists with heart use anything,they need,to paint the world....................................................................... ..ps..our brains are computers vim@innertemple studios -------------------------------- End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 Issue #93 *********************************************