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It's not just the delay on the VG-8 that can loop, the phasing and flanging fx have feedback and flanging that you can set to so that they loop. I have one patch which feeds a looping phase and delay with the input being fed through a resonant low pass filter which is under pedal control, all of the strings are retuned from low C to high A. It's a monster sound. Another cool thing is that you can turn some strings off, if you turn off the top strings and use a little distortion, playintg the top strings produces a lovely sympathetic vibration in the lower strings. The V is a serious looping tool despite it's 1 sec delay time. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: Dpcoffin@aol.com > The V's only got 1023ms delay, but you can set up the exp pedal to >control > delay send, and use the S1 and 2 switches on the pickup control to >control > feedback (100% goes all night)