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i have the 2 lines out on my rang (line out and aux line out) going into trac 1 and trac 2 of my marantz 4 trac......so last nite, after reading some bazillion posts to LD and wondering if the entire world was hooked up to coffee ivs, i sat here melting and just looking at my equipment.........and it struck me, what if i sent the aux out back into everything i have going before the rang (it being the last thing in my signal chain).......it sounded like a herd of rabid pigs attacking me until i adjusted the vol levels on my boxes and presto, i had the loop in the rang playing so nicely thru my 4 trac and i also had the loop being re-effected playing on top of the original loop......both at the same time.........sorry if this is old stuff, but if not give it a try.........michae;