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In a message dated 8/17/99 3:35:28 PM, you wrote: <<Well.. How about this GTR4000, from the Eventide series of DSP4000 family processors? >> I've got one without the sampler, and it's a monster, in both senses of the word: sounds incredible, requires wrestling. Just tweaking parameters is easy, but creating new patches is a challenge. It's also annoying that for such an expensive piece, you have to keep buying expensive add-ons to get it to do what you want: The hardware sampler (which apparently also can function as the same amount of delay memory) is a pretty logical, if large, extra expense, but having to buy a data card to get more than around 20 slots for user saves, or a $400 preset card to access new features (the Alchemy collection---definitely worth it for looping) is a burn. But, there's almost nothing you couldn't get this beast to do sampling- or delay-wise, given the time and the programming savvy. Plus, it's damn cool right outta the box, and it can go WAY beyond looping----WHILE it's looping! dpc