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>>the quality of any loop is in what the player puts inside or leaves out along with the quality of the gear to a certain degree but still with the musician being the main ingredient<< Very well put, JP. Kinda made my day. ;-) In addition: The sound 'quality' of the Headrush is simply much higher than the (two) Jamman I used to have. I didn't find noisy loops acceptable for the kind of music I do. Both maxxed out too! I sold my EDP because I don't need most of what it does and if a piece of gear flakes out on me too many times in a live situation (a few Ensoniq keyboards come to mind as well), I kind of get to not trust it.. It was maxxed out as well. Call me crazy. But for me, simple and clean is what I enjoy best about my two Headrushes. And with the 2nd one, lots of possiblities present themselves. And can you imagine, three or even four!?! Still cost you less than what a few used Jammen are selling for. Here's to more music and less "twiddly bits". Enjoy and thanks, Bill "Hawkeye"