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Here's a quick update: Prices seem to be around $230, but it may take some dickering. If Scott (working under the email alias Jeffery Hildebrand <jshildebrand@ucdavis.edu>) can do better than $185 -- or equivalent, with power supply, from Guitar Center, and will ship within the US, I say we go for a group buy at that price. Yes, we'd pay shipping charges surely. Scott, can you do that? Otherwise, I say every looper for himself and call 8th street music in Philly! 185! Did that include power supply? People seem pretty anxious and may not want to wait to save the extra $30 or $40 if they can get it for $185 with no group buy hassles. BTW, I did email Fred's and Alto music yesterday -- no reply yet. Also, I did check out a DL4 at Guitar Center last night. The sales staff had no idea of the potential. I plugged it in, started looping (no manual needed -- it's pretty darn easy) and before long the manager was behind me begging to try it. I handled over the guitar and ran the buttons while he laid down some rythm, then another complimentary track, then solos. He was amazed as I explained to him the benefits and pleasures of looping. I accidentally hit the reverse mode and the manager was blown away -- "Hey Frank! Check it out! Jimi Hendrix!". I had seen all I needed so I started to unplug the rig. The manager protested, "No, no! Leave it, I'm gonna jam some more. I gotta check this thing out!". They should be paying me! Quoted price: $235. Impression: worth the money. The EDP is worth every penny of $600 or so I paid last year. The DL4 would be worth every penny especially if it were just $185! Total loop time: I clocked it over 20 secs. using the 1/2 speed function in mono. Not sure if mono changes things, but the 1/2 speed sure did. My highly scientific method: hit record while keeping an eye on my analog watch. Looper timed itself out and went into loop mode automatically somewhere around 20 - 25 secs. I just saw the Travis/JPrice email about 8th street being the best bet so far. Look like that's our best shot! Greg out.