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rob and miko were opining . . . > but seriously: the problem with live looping/ sequencing is that it can make the music too rigid at times - the damn machines just don't listen to us! I agree... that's the real art of looping. Mixing it up and creating variety. But I'm still willing to believe that it's worth doing. ** sort of like playing with a dj or drum machine - - pre-recorded beats don't really listen to you changing gears. very difficult to stop on a dime. also, beats on lps sometimes give out before you're really ready to stop the groove. i tend to think that non-rhythmic loops are best for music with a percussionist/drummer - - UNLESS they're just doing textural stuff. when i do a band with just a trumpet player and guitarist, it's much easier to do rhythmic loops; in fact it's almost necessary as otherwise there isn't any real rhythmic thing going on. when doing the stuff with a dj i can lay in a rhythmic loop that's related to his, and when the lp gives up i can continue with the groove for a while, or bring it back as a compositional device later. stig