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>>> "Taaffe, Denis G" <dtaaffe@indiana.edu> 03/06 7:35 AM >>> Yes, but I love drum machines that sound "real", why would you want to make them sound "fake"? It's not my issue that they sound fake or real... my issue is that they're static and should be somehow handled by the preformer in real time. Either inputing or manipulating. I don't want a canned element from a live performance... If there are samples and machines, I like to see the performer do more with them than just "turn them on". > REal or fake compared to a drummer? Why compare the two. they are not the same?! Ok... above you say "why would I want to make them sound fake?" then go on to make this last statement... > I think people are too rigid on this subject, because that is the conventional thinking band must have real drummer.I don't know, I mean if it produces sound, it's good thing. wether a drummer, drum machine,a scratching noise, leaves ruffling. Before looping I thought the same way... The same as what and who? I don't care if a band has a real drummer or a fake one... I'm not a stickler for imitating any "other" type of ensemble. Solo guitar, 2 guitars, drum 'n sax... I don't care... No restrictions coming from me... I just don't find it very engaging to listen to a so-called performance and realize that it's 4 programmed/sequenced real sounding instruments with a soloist over the top. Now what you do with just the drum machine is more acceptable to me, but I'm mostly trying to let you know what would make it even better for me... (again this is just my opinion...) > band must have drummer...must have guitar...must have bass...must have long hair if they play metal....etc....that's just the norm,so what?!?!?! throw all that crap out the window and do what you want. Nope! I've gotta have a codpiece and hair extensions... > anyway for my stuff, really the percussion (beat) is not what interests me most of the music. Devils advocate... So why is it there? (drums percussion). I feel that if it's not dealt with as an equally important part of the piece that it's neglected and probably unnecessary. Someone wrote... (Mark S?) >>> I think I know what it is about the drums that I don't like. They sound like they're trying to be too real... Now I've said above that it doesn't matter much to me whether they sound real or fake, but will go on to explain a bit more... My problem with drums that sound "Just like a drummer" is that when it's clear it's coming from a machine, and there's no real drummer... the SOUND of the music is actually somewhat misleading and out of context... I kind of like each element to speak to me in it's given context... meaning that It's ok for the drum machine to sound disembodied and cheezy and machine like (because it IS). If you make something very creative with it, I'm all the more impressed. Sampled sounds are so good these days that the novelty of having them "imitate" the real thing has completely worn off on me... I'd rather hear electronic pops and buzzes get manipulated craftily by a performer, into a cool groove. I also prefer a wacked synth sound being "tamed" into a bass groove rather than some ultra-realistic bass sample supporting a track. I'm fine with what you're doing Dennis... I deal with the same problems being a guitarist myself... (and owning a drum machine! 8-)) This feedback is just to tell you what would engage me further. Best regards, -Miko