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BTW, one of the things I like to do, but it works better on loopy leads, is to put two mono echoes on the F-L and F-R channels, one longer than the other, and then some sort of stereo multitap across the Surround-Left and S-R channels. Kind of drifting away from looping, but I'm sure someone can incorporate that into some good ideas. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk