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Oh yes indeed, this was my start in looping before I got hold of my Korg DL-8000. I was playing with these ideas over a few years, and then dug through a pile of tapes and found I had well over an hour of material. I copied them to PC, burned them to CD, and I really should dig them out and upload them as MP3s to give you lot a laugh I used various cassettes, including TDK and "British Telecom" brands, in my Fostex X-30 4-track (the short-lived model that used sliders for all functions). I modified the speed control by adding a double-speed switch - the speed control is the only real way of modifying the loop length. I also tried disabling the erase head to see if that resulted in sound layering, but the only result was layers of noise! As for synchronising your playing to the loop... well in the end I wrote a little QBasic program on my laptop that drew a "bouncing ball" on screen, with the ability to adjust the loop length incrementally. I did a similar thing with Visual Basic years later, which I still have if anyone's interested in more laughs... Anyway, if I can present some of the results online, I'll let y'all know. My biggest single looping influence then was David Sylvian's "Gone To Earth", the Bill Nelson / Robert Fripp loop tracks that appeared there, if that's any guide. Cheers, Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com