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I've heard in divers places about adding sonic material to loops by playing various things through the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, etc. My particular interest is in using cassette players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, and I think others on the list have mentioned it. Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats in this area? Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/