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Okay Lance. It’s a pleasure to deal with a disagreement so civilly framed. I’ll try to respond in kind. I'll assume we've both read Plato, and you know I'm not suggesting that *what one perceives* is what is there- - - <i don't mean to begrudge your point, but thinking it <through implies there's an endpoint to the process. <With this kind of topic i'm not sure one can ever <fully "think" it through... But that’s full circle. I AM suggesting there is an endpoint. Is it really logical to say that EVERY *take* on a thing is as valid as every other? I’ll spare you examples [Vision is a good one]- - they could all be countered- —I just think not. I think, usually, statistically, the majority of perceptions are distorted and downright false- and a minority are closer to an accurate representation. <how do you define "absolutely perfect"? is this not relative to your <impression at that time? does everyone that hears it think so too? <can your impression ever change? Haven’t you experienced that? I sense you have. We all have. It doesn’t mean anyone has to agree, but it’s not a cryptic/intellectual point. In music it is very often so; like I said: many chords/words could work- - - but one fits like hand-in-glove. You know it mathematically, emotionally, physically- - - absolutely. Why should I deny my every reason/instinct/feeling, and say, *Well, it’s good, but so would a lot of other chords/words be good*? <explain how a notion of excellence is necessarily at odds with a <view of relativity? I think the answer is in your sentence already. They’re mutually exclusive. Otherwise my *excellent* is your *mediocre* [or *shitty*].. and the words must be, in time, abandoned because they will lose their meaning. Words matter. But I don’t dispute that my position is even more difficult to defend than yours. There is logic in believing that excellence only exists in relation to something else. But one of us is closer to the [dreaded] Truth- - - Take care, Robb >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #43 >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:03:31 -0500 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message20.txt >> ><< message22.txt >> ><< message24.txt >> ><< message26.txt >> ><< message28.txt >> ><< message30.txt >> ><< message35.txt >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.