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all, please forgive my obvious penchant for vague & cloudy philosophising, here..... steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >Yeah, Ideally you'll have both - I do like the idea of fading from one >loop to the next - I've heard Eberhard Weber do this >with an EDP - good effect. yeah, yup: btw: i brought eberhard his first 'looping' device' -a pcm42 just like mine, modified by gary hall (?bob sellon?)- way back in 1985 (?'84?). we were in jan garbarek group, together, for a coupla years; ew liked my looping-contributions to that music, & wanted to explore that arena, for himself..... >I create a similar effect by fading a loop by >foot whilst looping with another box - ie. JamMan >with loop gets faded by volume pedal, whilst stuff being played is being >looped with DL4... cool. >I'd never argue for less control, though too many controls can lead to >control being limited... as more controls are offered on looping-instruments, we each seem to have the opportunity to more selectively choose which of those controls we *focus* upon. and, as 'looping-as-an-instrument' is still in development ---(as are the products on offer ---indeed, it appears to me that, other than the EDP & the impending Repeater, it's still in its infancy, w/most looping-instruments still playing catch-up w/the old tape-loop/long-delay-line paradigm, and many players' useage of the technology hyper-focussed upon the 'looper-as-playback-device')--- i'd currently hafta argue that there cannot be too many controls -especially, as regards expressivity- though i do believe that the interface w/a complex set of controls might possibly impede their (eventual) musical/virtuosic employ..... >As GAry has quoted me saying, >I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely >conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear >someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than >looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked >up, as I'm sure any of us would. dig; i think i understand that noble sentiment. but, i'd hope that the application, thereof, is not too broadly painted..... (for myself, 'tis true that i'd mostly rather hear a musician capable of playing a piece of music that moves me w/just one note & simple 'gear', than any expressively-disconnected fleet-fingered 'virtuoso' w/racks and racks of unused-and-potentially-misunderstood electro-goo..... i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?) would anyone, here, reject the exploratory addition of a new kinda bass/turntable/guitar/computer/etc to your kit, even if you had only a few specialised-but-irreplaceable uses for it? and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical: how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'? when your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining the possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you? and, re: the presentation of someone 'looping clumsily w/14 EDP's or Repeaters': it may be that that freak is gonna present something musically *phenomenal*, someday, eh? the edges of any 'movement' are always in development/in motion, & there appear to be myriad consensually-acceptable criteria & agreements for 'judgement'; maybe it's important to remember that for some folk it's better to sharpen the edges, than to codify & organise what's already been done..... i think it might be our responsibility -and, to our advantage- to encourage that activity, here in the looping-worlds..... and, i'd hold that it certainly is our responsibility to the world, as musicians. >Once I've nailed the current set up, it'll be time for bigger boxes :o) cool. me, i just (somewhat reluctantly, & w/a hint of financial difficulty--- i have 2 kids in the american univer$ity $y$tem, y'all.....) bought another guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and can't believe that i ever will..... 8-) best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL