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>>>>As GAry has quoted me saying, >I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely >conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear >someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than >looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked >up, as I'm sure any of us would. dig; i think i understand that noble sentiment. but, i'd hope that the application, thereof, is not too broadly painted..... (for myself, 'tis true that i'd mostly rather hear a musician capable of playing a piece of music that moves me w/just one note & simple 'gear', than any expressively-disconnected fleet-fingered 'virtuoso' w/racks and racks of unused-and-potentially-misunderstood electro-goo..... i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?)<<<< As usual, Mr Torn, your post is the voice of reason in the midst of much rambling. I guess I was employing hyperbole to make a point - those are polarised extremes, but they represent in fewer words the dichotomy of gear vs music, than a much more subtle and wordy explaination of my own journey would have done... As it is, terms like 'completely conversant' and the differentiation between the extremes stated above are completely nebulous. As music is more art than science, at the bottom line, there's no such thing as complete conversancy, but I guess the point was to do with being in control... but then control can also mean opening yourself to the possibilities of randomness... ...I guess there's a point where art transcends gear completely - a great musician is going to make the strangest most complicated set up work for them by applying their creativity to the perceived strengths of the set-up rather than trying to make one box do the work of another... now I'm rambling - suffice to say, you and I are talking the same language, but I've got two sets of material to learn in the next three hours, so don't have the time to expound such concepts. Thankyou for clarifying and questioning my flawed presentation! :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info.