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speaking of vocals, I'm working on a piece right now that involves a little shareware program I just downloaded that converts text to speech. It is called Text Aloud and it has four voices (three men and one woman?) whose voices you can change the pitch and speed of. Fascinated with trying to f*ck up simple programs and see what interesting artifacts that I can get out of them, I typed in a whole bunch of vowel combinations like, "oooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu aaaaaiiiiiii eeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuu oaoaoaoaoaoaoaoaoa aaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuu uuandsometimesw etc. It produced the coolest warbling effects. I then chopped the experiments and used them in as my 'lead vocals' in a piece that my wife calls, "party music from mars".........it has this jaunty latin-esque thing to it, primarily because I generated a random marimba line using fractals (another cool randomization program, SoftStep2.0 that writes really wierd midi sequences using different randomization algorythms). It's strange and I'm liking it a lot. I guess this kind of qualifies for this thread. yours, Rick (loop..........ah you get the idea) PS I don't think that I have the URLs for these programs anymore but it should be easy enough to find them by typing their names into any good search engine (I recommend Googol)