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> would you consider Charles Ives a "failed musician" then? Maybe a "failed music-business person" but certainly not a "failed musician". Of course, I think of a musician as somebody who *does music*. Making (or not making) money from making music does not enter into the equation. And if somebody loves what they do and derive some satisfaction from it, how can they be a failure? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com