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i don't think so. I don't think it ever was except when there were hundreds of people on waiting lists and dealers could charge list price. that is not true anymore, so you should be able to get the usual street price deals. call alto and find out. kim >But are the prices still out of sight? > >Steve > >> >> Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com